Re: [CentOS] Problems with Adobe flash-plugin and Firefox-3.5.x under CentOs-5.3 (yum up to date) = libcurl.so.3/libcurl.so.4 missing

2009-09-19 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Martin Knoblauch spamt...@knobisoft.de wrote:
 - Original Message 

 From: Martin Knoblauch spamt...@knobisoft.de
 To: Centos Discussions centos@centos.org
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:16:20 PM
 Subject: Problems with Adobe flash-plugin and Firefox-3.5.x under CentOs-5.3 
 (yum up to date)

 Hi,

 I am running 32-bit Firefox-3.5.3 on Centos-5.3 (64-bit kernel) on a Dell
 Precision M65 laptop. This is likely a Adobe problem, but maybe someone else 
 has
 seen this before. Please CC me, as I only receive the digest version of the
 list.


 When using the 10.0.32.18-release version of the flash-plugin, trying
 to access *any* page containing flash (e.g. www.adobe.com) causes the
 browser to die. This also happens with version 10.0.22.87. Version
 9.0.115.0 works fine. To avoid problems with add-ons, Firefox is
 started with -safe-mode. As far as I know, the problem also happens
 with Firefox-3.0.x.

 # uname -a
 Linux l6g0223j 2.6.18-128.7.1.el5 #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 08:21:56 EDT 2009 x86_64
 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 # rpm -q flash-plugin
 flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release


 Any idea? Anything I can help debugging the problem?


  The problem turns out that libflashplayer.so (Version 10.x) is looking for 
 dynamically loading libcurl.so.3 or libcurl.so.4. This dependency is neither 
 documented, nor present in the flash-plugin RPMs from Adobe (both 32- and 
 64-bit). The dependency probably should also be present  in the firefox RPM 
 itself.

  I found out by chance when the problem went away after installing the 
 curl.i386 package to get firefox building on my system.

 Cheers
 Martin

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Documented here under dependencies:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15380.html
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Re: [CentOS] Cloud Computing

2009-07-19 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu





- Original Message 
 From: Tsai Li Ming lt...@osgdc.org
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:18:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cloud Computing
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 Bogdan Nicolescu wrote:
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: Ryan J M 
  To: CentOS mailing list 
  Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:59:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cloud Computing
 
  On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Mattwrote:
  Is anyone creating a cloud based on Centos yet?
 
  Ubuntu seems to be quite active there:
 
  http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud/uec
 
 
  So there still has no CENTOS HPC solution provided yet, has upstreamer
  disclosed the source?
 
  ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/RHHPC still not accessable.
 
 
 
 
 
 If the centos community wish to obtain the srpms directly from us, I can 
 provide them as rhhpc srpms are obtained from us.
 
 As expressed before to the community here and to KB, we are willing to 
 help build and contribute to the CentOS HPC SIG.
 
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Yes, please do provide the srpms

thanks

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Re: [CentOS] Cloud Computing

2009-07-18 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu





- Original Message 
 From: Ryan J M sync@gmail.com
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:59:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Cloud Computing
 
 On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Mattwrote:
  Is anyone creating a cloud based on Centos yet?
 
  Ubuntu seems to be quite active there:
 
  http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud/uec
 
 
 
 So there still has no CENTOS HPC solution provided yet, has upstreamer
 disclosed the source?
 
 ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/RHHPC still not accessable.
 
 
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RedHat HPC = Platform OCS (www.platform.com) + RHEL + kits
http://vglug.info/files/HPC_Webinar_1-15-09.pdf (mentions platform OCS)
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/hpc/1.0/pdf/Installation_Guide.pdf 

kits = a base kit, in this case RHEL and few self contained cluster-oriented 
applications (i.e. openmpi, lava, ganglia)

RedHat HPC comes with the two DVDs.  One DVD containing Platform OCS, second 
DVD contains RHEL and a few (8-10) kits.

When installing RedHat HPC, first you boot in Platform OCS (which itself is 
based on RH), you go through some basic configuration, and then you are asked 
for the kits.  You insert the RHEL+kits disk, where it extracts the RHEL base 
and various kits.  Instruction's in RH Installation guide assumes you are 
installing OCS on top of RH.  I only did a fresh installed so I started with 
OCS, and added RHEL as a kit.

-
previously Platform OCS (version 4) was based on Rocks Linux, and old docs 
might not be compatible.
currently Platform OCS (version 5) is based on open source Project Kusu 
(http://www.hpccommunity.org/).  Project Kusu seems to be now part of 
www.platform.com
-

now for Centos HPC.

go to http://www.hpccommunity.org (currently down on my end), go to project 
kusu, and pick up the Centos installer, configured to work with Centos, (burn 
iso image).  This is the first disk, the equivalent of Platform OCS.  Assuming 
a new installation, and not an installation of kusu on top of centos.  Boot 
using Kusu disk. Go through the setup, and at some point you'll be asked to 
install kits.  Here, you insert the DVD containing Centos 5.3

Kusu comes with 2-3 kits, but installing new kits is not too difficult (see 
kusu docs), and probably a good practice in case you have to install a 
non-preconfigured kit, ie intel compiler.



Unfortunatelly, based on the forum activity hpccommunity.org doesn't seem to be 
a very active community.  Also hpccommunity.org was previously 
http://osgdc.org/ (probably before merging with platform.ocs).  

Another project which seems to have branched off, and share a base with kusu is 
unicluster - www.grid.org parent company univaud.com.  Unfortunatelly, this 
too is as active as kusu, but there is enough documentation to get it going.

-

I hope this layering of applications, where RH bundles 3rd party applications 
and then puts it under the RH hat, doesn't become the norm.
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Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

the end of this circle for me

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Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

In all fairness to all the rebels, if somebody from the Cento's team would have 
responded in a timely matter to the original yes/no question of this thread, 
maybe this thread wouldn't have deviated to the point at which is at.  
Something definitely got lost in the translation, but in the future, if someone 
speaks on the behalf of Centos, please make sure that the information remains 
consistent with Centos' goals.  And the goal as far as I can tell is very 
simple... 100% RH compatibility.  Please warn us in advance the moment Centos 
plans to break 100% RH compatibility.

RC, check the original post again, and then your answer.  You actually ignore 
the second half of what you quote,  

 A quick look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos
 shows that a great majority of the packages are not even
 close to being up-to-date, and that is a good thing for
 those us of who care more about stability than eyecandy

you probably didn't even bother to read the rest of the message:

From the comment ...latest release has many up-to-date desktop packages and 
we also have an extra repository with many
application and drivers that are not officially part of Red Hat Enterprise
Linux (RHEL)...  is is safe to assume that future releases of Centos
will remain a built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided
by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully 
with the upstream
vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible.
(CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and
artwork)., AND all additional non-PNAELV packages will remain in the
extra repository??

and then you hijack the thread and start talking about version numbers, Dag, 
repositories, and suitable distros.

NO... Dag, suitability, version numbers, and repositories were not the 
question.   Again, the question, which has a rather simple YES/NO answer, and 
which only someone from the Centos team could answer(and they already did a 
couple of days ago):

is is safe to assume that future releases of Centos will remain a
built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North 
American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream
vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible.
(CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and
artwork)., AND all additional non-PNAELV packages will remain in the
extra repository???

The quoted staff is from Centos website.

And if you wonder why I asked this question, re-read the orginal post to put 
the question into context.


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Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

- Original Message 

 From: R P Herrold herr...@centos.org
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 8:51:35 PM
 Subject: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag
 
 On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote:
 
  BUT... when someone from the Centos team makes a statement 
  like ...latest release has many up-to-date desktop 
  packages...
 
 ummm -- it is of course true that changes happen; rebasings do 
 as well; and the CentOS project [and the upstream] document 
 these matters in release notes as to the up-to-date changes 
 done.  Upstream decided on most of them, or we made a minimal 
 delta to get the packageset to stabilize.  So what?  The 
 project cannot cater to people who won't read nor pay 
 attention.
 

Russ, this was about a comment about up-to-date desktop packages, not a 
comment about up-to-date changes.  Just because the release notes contains 
up-to-date changes, it doesn't necessarily mean that the up-to-date xxx 
package is installed.  But maybe I wrong, please point to one current 
up-to-date package in Centos or RH for that matter.  And by up-to-date 
package I don't mean a stable, but un-supported package (ie PHP)


  I think a lot of users will start looking for alternatives.
 
 'a lot?' ... we disagree
 

Are you disagreeing with the number (a lot) of users who use Centos because 
they need/want an RH clone,  or/and are you disagreeing with the number (a lot) 
of users who would leave Centos if Centos breaks RH compatibility?

It should be easy to find out.  Conduct a poll.  

 That said: Choice is good -- keeping an eye on options is 
 good.  So what?
 

Choice is good and somtimes overrated, but stability is always better.

 Straining at gnats and worrying about scope creep by CentOS in 
 'base' and 'updates' is a wasted effort, so long as one 
 remains in those archives.  As I said before, 'no-one forces 
 you to use any third party repository'

Thank you, and all the other Centos members for clarifying this... Yes, CentOS 
is often considered a server operating system, explained
Dag, but we are trying to change that. In fact, the latest release has
many up-to-date desktop packages and we also have an extra repository
with many application and drivers that are not officially part of Red
Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).  

And keep up the good work.

bn
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Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

Thanks



- Original Message 
 From: Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:46:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag
 
 On 06/29/2009 08:06 PM, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote:
  The whole point of the question is to make sure that Centos will remain 
  100% 
 binary compatible with PNAELV, at least in terms of package version.  This 
 does 
 not mean that others will not have the ability to break this 100% binary 
 compatibility, at least in tersm of package version, by installing more 
 up-to-date packages from extra repositories.
 
 yes.
 
  By extra repository(ies) I mean any other repository that contains 
  packages 
 which are not in PNAELV.
 
 yes again, and some of these 'extra repos' might be hosted within the 
 project itself.
 
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[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-29 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

From http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090629

Right next to the Gentoo stand was a group of young people, proudly 
displaying their affiliation with CentOS.
Dag Wieers, the well-known maintainer of a once very popular RPM
repository, greeted me with a big smile: Do you know CentOS? When I
introduced myself, he looked somewhat disappointed: Oh, so you know CentOS... 
Still, we found a lot to talk about. Yes, CentOS is often
considered a server operating system, explained Dag, but we are
trying to change that. In fact, the latest release has many up-to-date
desktop packages and we also have an extra repository with many
application and drivers that are not officially part of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (RHEL). He asserted: CentOS can be a perfect system
for those who need long-term stability and who don't want to take
frequent and potentially risky upgrade paths. 

A quick look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos shows that 
a great majority of the packages are not even close to being up-to-date, and 
that is a good thing for those us of who care more about stability than 
eyecandy.

From the comment ...latest release has many up-to-date
desktop packages and we also have an extra repository with many
application and drivers that are not officially part of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (RHEL)...  is is safe to assume that future releases of 
Centos will remain a built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided 
by a prominent
North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the
upstream vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible. 
(CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and 
artwork)., AND all additional non-PNAELV packages will remain in the extra 
repository???

thanks
bn
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Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-29 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu

not to be rude but back to the core of the original question: 

is is safe to assume that future releases of Centos will remain a
built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North 
American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream
vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible.
(CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and
artwork)., AND all additional non-PNAELV packages will remain in the
extra repository???

The whole point of the question is to make sure that Centos will remain 100% 
binary compatible with PNAELV, at least in terms of package version.  This does 
not mean that others will not have the ability to break this 100% binary 
compatibility, at least in tersm of package version, by installing more 
up-to-date packages from extra repositories.

By extra repository(ies) I mean any other repository that contains packages 
which are not in PNAELV.

thanks
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Re: [CentOS] Processes to disable

2009-04-13 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu





- Original Message 
 From: Filipe Brandenburger filbran...@gmail.com
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:02:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Processes to disable
 
 Hello,
 
 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:21, David Lemcoe wrote:
  a bunch of processes that really aren't needed
 
 Yes, many processes started in a default installation are not needed,
 but they are not harmful at all, and in most cases they will not bring
 you any problems.
 
 On the other hand, if you start disabling processes, you might get
 into trouble and not know exactly why. So, especially if you are *not*
 a more experienced CentOS user, I would advise you against disabling
 processes that you do not know if you need or not. As I said, if you
 don't really need them, they will probably not be harmful to you.
 
  and just burn up processes.
 
 This is a very silly argument, it's not like you have a low limit of
 total number of processes in your system, and so far I have never seen
 anyone reach that limit.
 
  Which ones should I get rid of for just a webserver? MySQL server?
 
 If you do not plan to run MySQL server on a machine, then yes, you
 should disable it, but in that case you should not even have installed
 the RPM package to start with. In that case, the way I would advise
 you to disable it is to uninstall the RPM.
 
 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 16:29, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote:
  to disable/enable a service:
  chkconfig --level service-name off/on
  i.e.
  chkconfig --level 3 sshd off
  Disables sshd for levels 3
  chkconfig --level 35 sshd on
  Enables sshd for level 3 and 5
 
 Never use the --level argument unless you have very specific needs.
 
 You should use:
 
 chkconfig sshd off
 
 And:
 
 chkconfig sshd on
 
 The service initialization files have a list of default runlevels,
 which will probably make more sense than anything you specify.


http://www.phpman.info/index.php/man/chkconfig/8

Maybe the chkconfig man pages can be revised to include Never use the --level 
argument unless you have very specific needs  because The service 
initialization files have a list of default runlevels, which will probably 
make more sense than anything you specify.

  To see the names of all the services installed on your system:
  ls /etc/rc.d/init.d
 
 Using 'chkconfig --list' makes more sense than listing the init.d directory.
 

chkconfig --list doesn't necessarily list all the services in /etc/rc.d/init.d

bn


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Re: [CentOS] Processes to disable

2009-04-13 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu





- Original Message 
 From: Filipe Brandenburger filbran...@gmail.com
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:29:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Processes to disable
 
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:03, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote:
   To see the names of all the services installed on your system:
   ls /etc/rc.d/init.d
 
  Using 'chkconfig --list' makes more sense than listing the init.d 
  directory.
 
  chkconfig --list doesn't necessarily list all the services in 
  /etc/rc.d/init.d
 
 It does list all that were properly registered. If a service is not
 listed by chkconfig --list, it means it was not registered with
 chkconfig --add, and it probably means that there was a problem while
 installing the package. AFAIK, if it does not show in chkconfig --list
 you will not be able to activate it with 'chkconfig on'
 either.
 
 Filipe

Not properly registered with chkconfig doesn't necessarily mean that a service 
is not installed.

service --status-all 
is probably a better choice in finding the status of all the scripts in init.d, 
and not just those registered withc chkconfig.

bn
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