Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:42:40PM -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS 
wrote:
> 
> I'm sure it would, but I thought I made it clear that DL or BluRay have
> never been options in this case. I'm disappointed that the DVD iso was
> released without any release notes advising it was oversized

The size issue with single-layer media has been a known issue since the
CentOS-6 days and the release notes very much do mention it, or at least
they did at one point.

It's not realistic to expect server-class machines not to be able to
boot from dual-layer or USB media in 2021.






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Re: [CentOS] CentOS-7-x86_64-dvd-2009.iso is too big for DVD blanks

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 05:04:41PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> Well I am batting 0 for 1000 today. I am clearly not a good resource at the
> moment :). Thanks Lamar for checking the real source.

It's ok, smooge...

It's First Monday, you've got 4 more of 'em to go :)





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And we're in a place now where we all need one another, and it's going to get
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Re: [CentOS] Challenging times in trying to access oracle Linux documentation

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 10:23:37AM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> 
> Speaking for myself only, I have no problem with anyone posting Oracle
> Linux questions, answers or solutions in this mailing list.  I think
> that as time goes on, OL and Rocky Linux will start to get more
> discussion and coverage here.  Since they are all very similar to each
> other, most of the solutions for one will likely be applicable to all
> anyway and if there's a better alternative offered on one of the
> others, then that's worth knowing as well.

This is a CentOS list.  The other distros you mention have their own
venues for support and discussion and those should be used.






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Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:05:12PM +0100, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
> 
> We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers.  And we have been badly f***ed 
> the a**.  Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is.

Could you at least pretend to be professional when posting to our lists?

> Really, you (as in the CentOS project) totally screwed it.

Really, you, (as in you) totally don't get it.  *CentOS* didn't do this
thing; *Red Hat* did this thing.  Go blame them.





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Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 06:06:41PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> 

I am not sure that speaking in absolutes does anyone any good.





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Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:15:50PM +, Phil Perry wrote:
> 
> Surely anyone requiring less than 16 licences will now ditch CentOS 7 in
> favour of RHEL7? The rest may stay on CentOS 7 for a year or so until there
> is a clearer picture around viable alternatives. This may as well become the
> RHEL users list and CentOS-Devel effectively becomes the CentOS-Stream
> mailing list?

I have no plans on moving to RHEL7; it's work that doesn't need to be
done.

And let's face it, centos-devel@ has been nothing but RH noise since
2014; I've suggested renaming it, and #centos-devel for what it's worth,
on a couple different occasions.






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Learn to control ego.  Humans hold their dogmas and biases too tightly,
and we only think that our opponents are dogmatic!  But we all need
criticism.  Criticism is the only known antidote to error.

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:36:44PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote:
> > Is this good news for the "Centos" family?
> > 
> 
> There is no CentOS "family". CentOS clone is dead and will be now

Odd that you say it's dead when 7 doesn't sunset until June 30th, 2024.





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Re: [CentOS] LTS

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:00:00PM +0530, Thomas Stephen Lee wrote:
> 
> CentOS Linux can continue as Fedora LTS or something similar with a
> five-year life cycle. After five years, users can opt for paid upgrades.
> We can also work with System manufacturers to pre-install the free LTS on
> their products, which will increase our user base.

Who is this "we" you speak of?



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream suitability as a production webserver

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 08:31:34AM +0100, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> 
> No, this was an actual problem I had back in April 2020. Upgrading from CR
> broke imagemagick, so I couldn't use the corresponding PHP modules, so my
> Roundcube installation was broken for a few weeks.

To be fair it was only broken because you kept it broken; you could have
backed out the CR updates and waited for the point release to go GA and
be on ABI parity with EPEL.

> One of the things I like about Oracle Linux is that they maintain their own
> EPEL repo, most probably to prevent these things from happening.

I would be careful of expectations around that partial EPEL rebuild;
it's not complete and some of the builds are quite dated.







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Politicians are like a Slinky.
They're really not good for anything,
but they still bring a smile to your face
when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:45:43AM -0700, R C wrote:
> 
> I didn't know that fact, but hey that could be a pretty cool tribute.

It was in Greg's announcement of Rocky Linux.  Right up near the top
if I recall correctly.






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Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:06:50PM +, Simon Avery wrote:
>
> Can't say I'm really appreciating the trolling in this list.

It's to be expected.  What I find surprising is the shilling for RH and
this decision that I am seeing.  Oh well, such is life.


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Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:56:05AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> 
> Your memory is still rusty.  Early accusations were that this would impact
> developers (such as Oracle) who were adding additional patches to the
> kernel, or other maintenance.  It never impacted "clones" like CentOS at
> all.

And you're incorrect; CentOS publishes a centosplus kernel that was
impacted to some extent by the kernel tarball changes I believe.

There are no absolutes in life, saying "never impacted" is almost surely
untrue for at least one group of people.





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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 01:40:58AM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
> and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.

Ahh.  Good to know.  Thanks to both you and Leon Fauster for correcting
me on this.




John
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exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
> there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
> enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.

Springdale does not at present have an EL8 release to the best of my
knowledge.





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dissent, who cannot cope with turmoil, and who believe that the people of
America are ready to support repression as long as it is done with a quiet
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Re: [CentOS] Fix for CVE-2020-1971 on CentOS 6.10

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 08:20:04PM +0100, Simon Matter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Attached patches:
> openssl.spec.patch.gz
> openssl-1.0.1e-cve-2020-1971.patch.gz
> 
> Please let me know if you find any issues.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:11:36PM -0500, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> 
> Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
> pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.

"Red Hat salary more important"

This implies you expect them to put their jobs on the line to protect
some set of ideals.  Even if it were not for the pandemic it's folly to
expect people to commit career suicide over what's a done deal.







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For each new morning with its light,
For rest and shelter of the night,
For health and food, for love and friends,
For everything Thy goodness sends.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 09:51:05PM -0500, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends. 
> Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping 
> CentOS the way it was. :-(

Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
children's table during a pandemic.

Your mistake, along with that of many, is thinking the Board had a
choice in any of this.  So what, exactly, do you expect Singh or others
to say?  What, if anything, could they say that would make you feel
better about this?




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Re: [CentOS] Run as root on reboot

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 04:56:53PM -0700, david wrote:
> Alas, I think rc.local has become irrelevant with systemd, which is most
> Linux distros is the way forward.


vi /etc/rc.local -> add what you need to run on boot
chmod 700 /etc/rc.d/rc.local
systemctl enable rc-local.service

It's still supported, but disabled by default by both the unit being
disabled and the file being non-executable.  This works on 7, no idea
about 8.  They probably broke it there.






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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 LSI SAS2004 Driver

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 01:05:44AM -0700, John Pierce wrote:
> 
> that should be linked here,
> https://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/CentOSPlus

Updated, including the removal of the legacy C5 link.




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vote.  We must all actively champion the causes that ensure the common good.

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Re: [CentOS] rsync upgrade

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 10:40:14AM -0500, Christopher Wensink wrote:
> Can anyone tell me the repository to use to upgrade to a version of
> rsync later than 3.1.2?

IUS has 3.1.3 for EL7.  More information available via writeup at
https://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories or 
https://ius.io/





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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 will be released soon?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 10:04:04AM +0530, Thomas Stephen Lee wrote:
> I doubt that releasing CentOS 7.7 is a higher priority as many people are
> using CentOS 7,

...

I'm not quite sure how to parse that...



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Re: [CentOS] root .bash_profile?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:23:20AM -0400, Bee.Lists wrote:
> 
> Second, if you READ the posts, you would find that the man page, is
> unclear.  It was referred to, but you missed that as well.  

No, it's really not.  This is reinforced by the fact that you are the sole
person having an issue grasping how this all works and would rather
argue your incorrect point of view (and getting the last word in) than
accept that you might be wrong and others might be right.  The people
that have chimed in have a combined experience of _well_ over a hundred
years.  Might just be they know a thing or 10?

If you find the man page confusing for whatever reason there is a SEE
ALSO section that points you to the GNU info page for it, including the 
exact command line necessary to see the invocation specifics; GNU info
pages are generally far more fleshed out than man pages.  You might need
to install the info package but it may be worth it for the additional
information source.

> It’s really hard to post things when people like you two don’t read
> the frickin posts.  No matter how many times you post, most people
> just want to fluff their feathers instead of read the posts.  

This argumentative nature you are displaying is not going to make people
want to help you further.

> I would suggest…reading the posts.  Then, read the posts.  Or get some
> fresh air.  None of this is difficult.

I would encourage you to do the same with a bit more open mind and the
understanding that perhaps, just maybe, when you come to a support list
asking for assistance that the assistance you get might actually be,
shocking as it may seem, correct.





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Re: [CentOS] root .bash_profile?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 05:19:57AM -0400, Bee.Lists wrote:
> OK I think you need to read previous posts on this. 
> 
> I’m not looking for any other command.  

Please stop top-posting, thank you.

It's the _same command_; all it is is a different invocation method
using an additional argument.




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[CentOS-announce] IRC Meeting Changes

[John R. Dennison]

For the past few years the CentOS Project has been holding IRC meetings for our
various Special Interest Groups (SIGs) and other projects in the #centos-devel
channel on the freenode IRC network.  This has, for the most part, worked out
fairly well.  However, as this is a shared channel, at times things can become
a bit hectic and confusing as  people occasionally interrupt a meeting in
progress.  Not only does this break the flow of the meeting but it also injects
noise into the logs that the project maintains for historical reference.  This
policy was also different from most other projects which have a dedicated
"meetings" channel to be used for these purposes.

In order to address the issue the project has made the decision to transition
meetings to the #centos-meeting channel.  This is a dedicated channel to be
used solely for meetings.  We feel this will help alleviate any potential
issues with interruptions and other distractions.

This channel is managed by the same group of people, our IRC Ops Team, as is
#centos-devel and our channel bots are present to help as necessary. An
additional bonus of this transition will be that the meeting bot (centbot)
responsible for meeting oversight and logging will now be able to set the
channel topic to reflect meeting status.  This was not previously possible due
to policy as we did not want to have the bot op'd unless absolutely necessary
in a shared channel.

We are planning this transition for June 1st in order to give the stakeholders
involved ample time to alert their communities of the change and to ensure we
have made the necessary changes on our end to ensure a smooth transition for
people who access the logs via the https://www.centos.org/minutes/ interface.

Any questions regarding this transition should be addressed either via the
centos-devel mailing list or on the #centos-devel IRC channel on freenode.

Additionally people can reach out to me personally on IRC (Bahhumbug on
freenode) or via email if they have questions or concerns regarding this or
other CentOS IRC matters.

Thanks and see you in #centos-meeting :)

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and delighting in his paternity every pleasurable and painful step of the
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Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote:
> 
> Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even
> FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been
> out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind,


It should have been?  Says who?






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Re: [CentOS] When should I reboot?

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:32:11AM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> I reboot when I yum update to a new kernel or systemd, which seems to come
> out about once a month. Should I do it for this week's glibc? Is that "core"
> enough to justify a reboot or should I wait for the next kernel update? I
> know the glibc update was mainly to handle the new Japanese calendar, so
> that shouldn't affect my usage. So my question is more about how shared
> libraries work and whether anything bad would happen with different forks of
> running services (mainly the mail suite with dovecot and the various content
> scanners launched by sendmail) running different versions of the library
> based on when they were started.

As a general rule we recommend that you reboot after updates for the
kernel, glibc, ssh/openssl and systemd due to a lingering bug that
breaks connectivity to dbus.

Rebooting activates the new kernel and as almost all of our kernel
updates are security updates it's quite highly recommended to do so.

systemd has a lingering bug where it loses connectivity to dbus during a
daemon restart and it doesn't get it back.  Rebooting is the only
method (at least that I am aware of) that addresses this.

ssh/openssl are always security updates, you really want to reboot to
ensure everything is running off the new libraries.

We have seen odd issues with glibc updates without reboots that have
cleared up after reboot; from memory I think they were locale issues but
don't quote me on that.  Considering how integral glibc is to the entire
system you are strongly urged to reboot after said updates.







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Re: [CentOS] BhkMbpU

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 02:05:12PM -0400, mark wrote:
> 
> Ah, yes, the joys of a plain text mailing list... where this garbage shows
> up as just garbage. Now, HTML email, or, as I often refer to it,
> malware-spreading email

There is no indication as to which message to the list you're referring
to; there are no References so threading can not be established.  I see
nothing recent that seems to be problematic; either in my inbox or on
the list archives.








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Re: [CentOS] In place upgrade of RHEL 8 Beta to CentOS 8?

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 01:33:39PM -0400, mark wrote:
> 
> Hopefully, not quite as long, given the work upstream was doing to make
> trouble for Oracle when they were building 7.

Could we, please, keep the FUD to a minimum?




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-- 
I've learned a lot of lessons from this whole experience, and perhaps,
maybe, the biggest lesson I learned is that I talk too much.

-- Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich on choosing not to testify
   at his political corruption trial, 25 July 2010


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Re: [CentOS] http error when updating 7.5 ==> 7.6

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 07:32:33AM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> 
> This is not the first time we have had issues with drpms in the update tree.
> 
> Would anyone be opposed to taking away deltarpms from the repositories?
> 
> They take up lots of space and they have cause multiple issues in the past.
> 
> Thoughts?

A big +1 to punting.






John

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Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.

-- Mark Twain (1835-1910), Rudyard Kipling, An Interview with Mark Twain,
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Re: [CentOS] Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:27:03PM +0100, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen,

Cross-posted noise again, nothing more.  Toss in a 21 line sig for fun :/





John
-- 
Power always has to be kept in check; power exercised in secret, especially
under the cloak of national security, is doubly dangerous.

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Re: [CentOS] C7 basic install, HATE

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 06:30:40PM -0700, Warren Young wrote:
> Do a text install: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/361935/138

If you think he's frustrated now...  The text installer is garbage and
has been since EL5 days, the only reason it even exists is because
it's part of the kickstart framework.

I would suggest a vnc-based install.





John
-- 
"Here's what I do know.  I don't care.  I'm sick of it.  I'm sick of needy,
crazy, stupid liars.  Seriously, I can't take it anymore.  I grew up with
them, I live with them, I work with them.  And no matter how fast I run
or how far I go they breed and come after me.  It's like a zombie movie
except the only scary part is it never ends."

-- 13 seconds of dialogue from Mary McCormack as Mary Shannon in USA's
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Re: [CentOS] You removed Weboob package over political reasons? Whole Internet laughs at you

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:59:10AM -0700, Eric Michaelis wrote:
> 
> Yes, please. Ban this individual. 

I reached out to a list admin some hours ago and it was dealt with
almost immediately.




John
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Re: [CentOS] Centos-release src rpm.

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 09:25:31AM -0500, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Any chance someone (Johnny?) could point me towards the latest centos-release
> src rpm?

Until the SRPMs are pushed to vault.centos.org you can get the same
packages that are on the ISOs / mirrors from buildlogs.centos.org.  Do
note, however, that these packages are not signed.






John
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I begin by taking.  I shall find scholars later to demonstrate my perfect right.

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Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:27:32AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

[topical reply trimmed for brevity]

Please learn how to trim your replies.  Rough count and 145 lines of
crap could have been removed from your recent post.  This is getting
a bit ridiculous, Valeri:


https://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo

Fourth item, top section "CentOS Mailing Lists and Posting Guidelines"

Note: do not reply privately to me with yet another flippant reply;
please read and adhere to the published guidelines for this and other
centos.org mailing lists.





John
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Everybody should fear only one person, and that person
should be himself.

-- Philip Jose´ Farmer (1918-2009), American author,
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Re: [CentOS] What are the differences between systemd and non-systemd Linux distros?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 05:54:29AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Troll bait removed.

Congrats, folks.  You fell for it.

This was also troll-posted to fedora-users within seconds of this post.





John
-- 
A man who is "of sound mind" is one who keeps the inner madman under lock
and key.

-- Paul Valery, "Bad Thoughts and Not So Bad", in The Collected Works of
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Re: [CentOS] Step-by-Step Tutorial: How to Setup Your Own e-Commerce Online Store using WooCommerce 3.4.5, Wordpress 4.9.8, and CentOS 1805 (LAMP) in Amazon AWS Cloud

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 10:39:52AM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> 
> I don't specifically mind tutorials being posted to the list .. BUT .. I
> would like them to be in CentOS Namespaces.  So either on
> wiki.centos.org or blog.centos.org.


Either is a proper venue as content can be peer-reviewed before posting
and things that promote running selinux in disabled or permissive mode
can just be chucked.







John
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Re: [CentOS] Step-by-Step Tutorial: How to Setup Your Own e-Commerce Online Store using WooCommerce 3.4.5, Wordpress 4.9.8, and CentOS 1805 (LAMP) in Amazon AWS Cloud

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 01:23:54AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> 
> Configuring SELinux is somewhat complicated, so I would usually set SELinux 
> mode to permissive.

While I do not mean to be rude...  the above statement is precisely why
you should not be advertising your tutorials.  And please learn to trim
your replies.






John

-- 
People tell me I sing the words "love" and "hunger" like no one else.
Well, everything I know is wrapped up in those two words.  You've got to
have something to eat and a little love in your life before you can hold
still for any damn body's sermon on how to behave.

-- Billie Holiday (1915-1959), jazz singer and songwriter,
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Re: [CentOS] email Server for CentOS 7

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 04:51:07PM -0400, Bee.Lists wrote:
> Hi folks.
> 
> I’m looking for an email server.  I have a C7 box already with nginx, 
> PostgreSQL, Sinatra and Ruby.  So I don’t want to install PHP, Apache, MySQL, 
> etc.
> 
> Are there any ways/tutorials to set up a mail server under those 
> restrictions?  It would serve multiple domains. 

Save yourself the effort, time, headaches and eventual bloody tears of impotent
rage and just go with Google or some other provider.  Running a mail
server properly is one of the more difficult tasks and quite often not
worth the time and trouble, especially if one is asking about it on a
list such as this.






John
-- 
Since when do we have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?

-- Lillian Hellman (1905-1984), American playwright


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Re: [CentOS] ipset-service save fails when module compiled into kernel

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 07:29:26PM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> 
> (I'm actually running CentOS 7 on a Linode VM with the default Linode
> kernel. Their kernel has modules compiled in and listed in /proc/config.gz.)

I would strongly encourage you to lose their custom kernel and use a
standard CentOS kernel which works fine on Linode and is one we can
actually support.





John
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Re: [CentOS] Step-by-Step Tutorial: How to Deploy cPanel Web Hosting Control Panel version 11.74 on CentOS 7.5 Linux Server version 1805 in Amazon AWS Cloud

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 01:42:37PM -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 11:19:31AM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/2136021589748759/
> 
> Looks like a lot of clickbait links, many from the same hosting
> providers.  I am also not sure how legit the use of that cropped
> CentOS logo is, either.

https://www.centos.org/legal/trademarks/#use-of-logos

"You may not change any logo except to scale it. This means you may not
add elements to the logo, change the colors or proportions of the logo,
distort the logo, or combine the logo with other logos."

I suspect Redhat's logo usage is similarly worded but I have not looked.






John
-- 
Learn to control ego.  Humans hold their dogmas and biases too tightly,
and we only think that our opponents are dogmatic!  But we all need
criticism.  Criticism is the only known antidote to error.

-- David Brin (6 October 1950-), American scientist and award-winning
   science fiction author, interview at ActuSF.com, March 2008


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Re: [CentOS] Step-by-Step Tutorial: How to Deploy cPanel Web Hosting Control Panel version 11.74 on CentOS 7.5 Linux Server version 1805 in Amazon AWS Cloud

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 11:19:31AM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/2136021589748759/

Looks like a lot of clickbait links, many from the same hosting
providers.  I am also not sure how legit the use of that cropped
CentOS logo is, either.





John
-- 
Sloths move at the speed of congressional debate but with greater
deliberation and less noise.

-- P. J. O'Rourke (14 November 1947), American political satirist,
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Re: [CentOS] Certificates

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 05:30:53PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> Letsencrypt is a very important development, but it has (IMHO) a shaking
> foundation.  I would not build a production system around it.  But then I
> have lived in aspects of PKI since '95...

I presume you meant "shaky foundation"?  If so, would you care to
elaborate?






John
-- 
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the
truth, for being correct, for being you.  Never apologize for being correct,
or for being years ahead of your time.  If you're right and you know it,
speak your mind even if you are a minority of one.  The truth is still the
truth.

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Re: [CentOS] Finding user's files

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 10:33:33AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> 
> If you want to be rigorous with result (and I for one would), avoid locate:
> that one is using database which is updated how often? *hmm*, once a week.

Daily.

-- 
Normally the beautiful days in life come after fatigue and difficulties.
The difficult labor produces a more beloved result.

- Prime Minister Nuri Kamal Al-Maliki of Iraq, after voting on a day with
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Re: [CentOS-docs] reference page for Apache test page & the project

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 04:58:21PM -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> * Is there a better page I can point at?

'Better' is quite subjective; however this all goes back to 

https://web.archive.org/web/20060523223519/https://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127

and is as good of a reference as any.

I would urge someone to scrape the gist of that thread and preserve it
on wiki.c.o somewhere.

If no one else does I will do it later today or tomorrow when I have a
bit of time and motivation.




John

-- 
Are you really sure that a floor can't also be a ceiling?

-- Maurits Cornelis (M.C.) Escher (1898-1972), Dutch artist,
   M.C. Escher, His Life and Complete Graphic Work: with a fully illustrated
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 7 (using iptables) removed firewalld

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 06:50:28AM -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote:
>
> I suggest uploading your script to pastebin.com and putting the link in your
> post to the list. That way long lines in your script will be preserved.
> Pastebin is good for content where the formatting is important.

Perhaps using a pastebin service that is not chock full of unwanted ads
would be better.  http://pastebin.centos.org as an example will not force
ads on users.  But yes, if one is unable to wrangle their MUA into not
reformatting their text a pastebin service would be an excellent
alternative.  Good suggestion.






John
-- 
Our imagination is stretched to the utmost, not, as in fiction, to imagine
things which are not really there, but just to comprehend those things
which are there.

-- Richard Phillips Feynman (1918-1988), American physicist,
   The Character of Physical Law (1965)


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Re: [CentOS] Password recovery trick not working on CentOS

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:54:34AM +0200, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> 
> I tried this out of curiosity on a CentOS 7 sandbox machine, and this
> doesn't seem to work anymore. I can boot to a 'bash' console and set the
> password OK. But this password doesn't seem to work on the subsequent
> normal boot.
> 
> Anybody knows why this is so?

Most likely you didn't relabel the filesystem.  Please take a look at
https://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/ResetRootPassword - bottom of the
page and the link to access.redhat.com's writeup.






John
-- 
I consider the media to be indispensable to democracy,  We need an independent
media to hold people like me to account.  Power can be very addictive and it
can be corrosive, and it's important for the media to call to account people
who abuse their power, whether it be here or elsewhere.

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Re: [CentOS] Private repository and upgrade to Centos 7.5 (Kernel / GStreamer / Mesa)

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 09:43:18PM +0200, Andreas Benzler wrote:
> 
> While everything is my private playground and not a official repsitory
> the packages are "hand made" and unsigned.

There is little excuse in 2018 for not signing packages and you may well
find that your efforts are slow to be adopted / used by others as a
result.

May I ask as to why you aren't signing packages?






John
-- 
Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player.  It's
staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in.

-- Casey Stengel (1890 - 1975), American baseball player and manager,
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Re: [CentOS] Latest CentOS does not boot, Proliant ML330 G6

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 03:49:23PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> 
> It's hard to diagnose if the only thing you say is that it panicked.

I'd loan you my magic mind reading cap but it's at the cleaners.





John
-- 
Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.  I am kind to everyone, but when
someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about
me.

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Re: [CentOS] Problem with cr repo.

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 09:38:27PM +0100, lejeczek wrote:
> I get more problems,
> I have not single i686 arch package installed yet 'yum update' somewhere
> along the lines decides and insists on pulling in plenty of i686 packages.
> All this without really telling why, then fails with 'multilib' problem.
> I cleaned/removed yum's cache, rebuilt rpm database.
> And while yum does that it shows lots of conflicts.

Please provide complete output from "yum -d8 -v --enablerepo=cr update"

Thank you.





John
-- 
A teacher affects eternity; he can never tell where his influence stops.

-- Henry Brooks Adams (1838-1918), US historian, journalist, novelist,
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Re: [CentOS] invalid mirror .host-engine.com

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 06:11:18PM +0200, Walter H. wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> how can I prevent of using these mirrors?

Add a line of:

"exclude=.host-engine.com" 

to /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/fastestmirror.conf

This will exclude from consideration all mirror FQDNs that contain that
string.





John
-- 
The politician is ... trained in the art of inexactitude.  His words tend
to be blunt or rounded, because if they have a cutting edge they may later
return to wound him.

-- Edward Roscoe Murrow (1908-1965), American journalist, address at London
   Guildhall (19 October 1959)


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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki content management via automation

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:30:30PM +0100, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> 
> When I tried their irc channels for the migration issue, I was told that
> it wasn't really supported, and on their website
> (https://moinmo.in/Support) it seems to be more about "consultancy services"

Well... it _does_ sound like a consulting gig to me.  You're playing in
the bigs now, I'm sure you have access to a flush fund / petty cash /
Evolution to sign a check? :)





John
-- 
The nuclear arms race is like two sworn enemies standing waist deep in
gasoline, one with three matches, the other with five.

-- Carl Sagan (1934-1996), astronomer and writer, debate transcript with
   William F. Buckley, aired after the first showing of the ABC TV movie
   "The Day After", November 20, 1983


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Re: [CentOS-docs] wiki content management via automation

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 01:11:20PM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 21/02/18 22:30, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> > That's a good question, as we'll also have to migration for moinmoin if
> > we can't find a support path to migrate to supported version anyway.
> > So first question (already asked on the list) : is there a way to get in
> > touch with moin people willing to help/assist us ? (as their upgrade
> > tool wasn't working to test migration from 1.6 to 1.7)
> 
> it would be good if someone on the docs team ( or docs focused could
> take this up, I am far too removed from implementation at this point to
> drive that conversation productively ).
> 
> Other than that, +1 to engage moin upstream

+1 on getting moin updated to current.  It's going to be much less work
in the long run than converting everything over to mediawiki or similar.

> > And then too : is there a way to consume a kind of API for moin that
> > would then meet the "content management via automation" requirement. Or
> > do we have to also investigate directly another solution (like
> > mediawiki) and so migration ?
> 
> does media-wiki have an api ?

Yes, but unnecessary to resort to API for this.  moin-1.6 and newer all
have functionality via 'macros' (plugins, mostly) to pull in remote
content and have it rendered by the moin rendering engine and then
displayed in-line.  Your work-flow could produce an artifact that is
raw wiki-formatted text and then wiki.c.o could consume that content
automatically.  Keeping that content up-to-date would then be the
responsibility of the work-flow pipeline itself.






John
-- 
We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a
few, but we can't have both.

-- Louis Brandeis (1856-1941), U.S. Supreme Court Justice, quoted by Raymond
   Lonergan in Mr.  Justice Brandeis, Great American (1941), p. 42.


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[CentOS-docs] Wiki Access Request: AdditionalResources/Repositories

[John R. Dennison]

Good morning.

Might I please have edit access to the AdditionalResources/Repositories
page on the wiki?  Account name is JohnDennison.

Thanks!




John
-- 
Humans hate to admit error even as they stand there, black and smoldering, with
the stub of a cigarette in one hand, in the middle of a wide crater containing
them and the remains of a sign that once read "DANGER: VOLATILE EXPLOSIVES".

-- James Nicoll (1961-), Canadian freelance game and speculative fiction
   reviewer, Usenet article (2005)


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Re: [CentOS] [Fwd: The CentOS list]

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 06:53:41PM -0800, Keith Keller wrote:
> 
> It's a bit unproductive to trouble list members about list problems.

Not that I disagree but lists.centos.org and mail.centos.org are the
same box; it is likely that if someone is having issues getting a post
to the list they will have similar problems mailing f...@centos.org as
well.







John
-- 
The ability to focus attention on important things is a defining
characteristic of intelligence.

-- Robert J. Shiller (1946-), American economist, academic, and author,
   Irrational Exuberance (2006)


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Re: [CentOS] Mail issues

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 06:50:13PM -0500, TE Dukes wrote:
>
> to=, orig_to=, relay=local, 
> delay=0.1, delays=0.07/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to 
> mailbox)
> 
> Do I need to install additional packages that move mail to the user's
> /Maildir?

This is indicative of misconfiguration with mail being delivered to
/var/mail/whatever instead of /home/whatever/Maildir.  Check your
configuration again to ensure it's delivering as you wish.
Alternatively, post _all_ content from /etc/postfix/{main,master}.cf for
review.


John
-- 
One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.

-- Diogenes of Sinope (412 BC - 323 BC), Cynic philosopher of ancient Greece


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Re: [CentOS] Firefox Issue

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 04:23:05PM +, Always Learning wrote:
> 
> Agreed. One of my Apache defences is to redirect probes/hacks to
> 127.0.0.1 :-)

Would you be willing to share this rewrite rule with the list, please?
Some may find it useful.  Thank you.





John
-- 
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself.  We don't need to add to it.
And we're in a place now where we all need one another, and it's going to get
rougher.

-- Prince Rogers Nelson (7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016), funk/rock/pop/R singer,
   songwriter, and actor, Tavis Smiley Show, PBS (27 April 2009)


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Re: [CentOS] Firefox Issue

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 04:33:01PM +, Always Learning wrote:
> recognise vulnerabilities and how to block them; too many self-declared
> "komputar xperts" haven't a clue about robust security.

Thank you SO very much for this.  I am still laughing at the irony after
5 whole minutes.  This made my entire Monday.





John
>-- 
Pessimists just can't win: the damned glass is half full of air.

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Re: [CentOS] CDB tables in Centos7 Postfix ?

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 04:25:16PM +, Tim Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It seems the default binaries don't have CDB tables compiled into them ?
> 
> Now, I know Centos isn't Ubuntu, but on Ubuntu there is an optional
> package in the main distribution "postfix-cdb - CDB map support for
> Postfix".   I can't find anything similar using "yum search", so I'm
> guessing that's not an option.
> 
> Unless anyone else here corrects me otherwise, I'm guessing it's back
> to 'old-school' compile and install myself ?

You failed to mention the release in question.  However you can try the
postfix packages in the centosplus repo which I believe have support for
additional map types.






John
>-- 
 When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: "Whose?"

-- Don Marquis (1878-1937), American humorist, journalist, and author


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Re: [CentOS-docs] dead links and request for home page

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 12:20:13AM +0200, Mika Hämäläinen wrote:
> 
> I made the two corrections mentioned earlier and then one for the road
> (changed "irsii" to "irssi"). Didn't catch it the first time around, since
> I thought it was a new fork or similar. I couldn't find it with google
> though, so I deduced it to be a typo.

It was indeed a typo; one I missed when I reviewed the page last year.

Thank you for catching that and also for correcting the two links.




John
-- 
Art is a moral passion married to entertainment.  Moral passion without
entertainment is propaganda, and entertainment without moral passion is
television.

-- Rita Mae Brown (1944-), American writer, Starting From Scratch (1988)


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[CentOS-docs] rpmforge references in the wiki

[John R. Dennison]

Someone made mention on IRC earlier of a reference to rpmforge on the
wiki and it got me thinking (yeah, never a good thing)...

A quick search on the wiki itself shows a lot_of references to
rpmforge.  As this is a dead project and has been a dead project for 3+
years now it would be quite useful to the consumers of the wiki material
for those references to be removed and replaced with something that is
trusted, epel for example.

I mentioned it to Christoph Galuschka and it was decided to bring this
matter up here.

Again, rpmforge is a dead project and any hope of it coming back is just
a pipedream.  References to it as a resource are a disservice to wiki
users.





John
-- 
We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created
equal and independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights
inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

-- Thomas Jefferson, (1743 - 1826), draft of the Declaration of Independence,
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[CentOS-docs] Wiki request

[John R. Dennison]

Hi.  I've already spoken with Jim Perrin about this and he's fine with
it; confirm with him if need be.

May I please have edit rights to http://wiki.centos.org/irc to:

1) correct a typo
2) point people to the proper documentation on how to register a nick, 
   including sasl auth and ssl via the official Freenode documentation.
3) whatever further maintenance is needed now or in the future.

I am also requesting a page one level deeper (with edit rights) of:

http://wiki.centos.org/irc/banned

to be used to direct people to that will contain information on why
certain gateways are banned from IRC (rampant abuse) and the steps
people may take to get access to #centos.  #centos will auto-forward
these people to a specific channel that the channel bot will sit in and
spam out the above link.  The page will be able to go into much more
detail than the bot can easily accommodate.  This will serve to provide
a better experience than just banning without reason (we do similar
currently for unregistered users).


Thank you for your attention to this matter.




John
-- 
Instead of insight, maybe all a man gets is strength to wander for a while.
Maybe the only gift is a chance to inquire, to know nothing for certain.
An inheritance of wonder and nothing more.

-- William Least Heat-Moon (27 August 1939-), American travel writer
   and historian, Blue Highways, Part Six, Chapter 9 (1982)


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Wiki request

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 04:58:48AM -0800, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> 
> Done using your wiki name JohnDennison. You should be able to work on
> pages under /irc/ as well.

Thank you, Akemi.





John

-- 
A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting
a government; and government without a constitution is power without a
right.  All power exercised over a nation, must have some beginning.  It
must be either delegated, or assumed.  There are not other sources.  All
delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation.  Time does
not alter the nature and quality of either.

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Re: [CentOS-virt] Beta CentOS 7 Xen packages available

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 10:02:50AM -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
> 
> what you're doing its a complete crap, what you said is different from what
> you did, why you' (centos virt sig) not contributed to the work of fedora
> guys instead of reinventing the wheel ?

If you're that unhappy with the produced product you are not forced to use it.

-- 
"it's like instagram is a way for people to distract from the fact that they 
are functionally useless"

-- anonymous, Freenode IRC


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Re: [CentOS] can't install gd-devel on centos 7.1

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:56:18PM +0300, Eero Volotinen wrote:
 Disable remi repo and try again..

And perhaps ask Red Hat as you apparently aren't running CentOS.




John
-- 
Are you really sure that a floor can't also be a ceiling?

-- Maurits Cornelis (M.C.) Escher (1898-1972), Dutch artist,
   M.C. Escher, His Life and Complete Graphic Work: with a fully illustrated
   catalogue, Volume 1982, Part 1, H. N. Abrams (1982)


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Re: [CentOS] whois command in c6

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:02:24AM -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
 
 do I need to compile it or something?

Looks as if the upstream jwhois.conf still isn't aware of the v6nic -
apnic change.  You can just replace the single occurance of v6nic in
jwhois.conf with apnic and you're golden (tested here a moment ago).





John
-- 
The lunatics end up in charge of everything.  Sane, normal people don't need
power trips.

-- James P. Hogan (1941-2010), British science fiction author,
   Paths to Otherwhere, Chapter 28 (1996)


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Re: [CentOS] whois command in c6

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 09:39:09AM -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
 the whois command in c6 references whois.v6nic.net for ip addresses in the
 43.0.0.0/8 range (and maybe others).  v6nic is no longer a valid whois
 server, any nets delegated to it should instead be delegated to apnic.

The distribution jwhosis.conf is hopelessly out-of-date.  You can
retrieve an up-to-date one from:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jodrell/jwhois/master/example/jwhois.conf





John
-- 
Instead of insight, maybe all a man gets is strength to wander for a while.
Maybe the only gift is a chance to inquire, to know nothing for certain.
An inheritance of wonder and nothing more.

-- William Least Heat-Moon (27 August 1939-), American travel writer
   and historian, Blue Highways, Part Six, Chapter 9 (1982)


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Re: [CentOS-docs] Pull Request wiki.c.o/AdditionalResources/Repositories

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 03:09:01PM -0800, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
 
 Proposal:
 The Third Party Repositories section should not list any other repositories,
 but should only note there are difficulties in making several independent
 repositories safely usable and give a thorough explaination of what has 
 happened
 in the past without naming names.

You are looking for problems to fix where there are none.  The overall state of
that page is and has been fine for many years.  EL requires external third-
party repos.  It has always been this way and it will always continue to
be the case.  Your proposal to remove the listings that are there now
serves no one and will only create more of a support burden on the
people that are volunteering their time.





John
-- 
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.

-- Brian W. Kernighan


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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote:

Noise removed.

Quick question, if I may?  What does this have to do with CentOS?





John
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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:52:48PM -0700, Warren Young wrote:
 
 Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to 
 greater and greater lengths to try and argue that CentOS should not change.
 
 I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view.

It's not relevant in _any_ sense.  CentOS is nothing more than (at it's
core) a rebuild of RHEL.  This type of nonsense should be directed to
Red Hat in a Red Hat venue.  It's nothing but off-topic noise here as
CentOS will not deviate from its upstream in its core offerings.





John
-- 
Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give
offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit
communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about
solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy.

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


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Re: [CentOS] TELNENT TO LOCALHOST IN CENTOS 7

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 03:33:24PM +0100, Samson wrote:

 Trying 127.0.0.1...
 telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection refused

Because telnet is 1970s tech that should die in a fire; it's not enabled
by default nor does the firewall permit it by default.

Why are you wanting to use telnet in the first place?




John
-- 
There is something fundamentally wrong with a system where not being
charged with a war crime keeps you locked away indefinitely and a war crime
conviction is your ticket home.

-- Morris Davis, retired USAF Colonel, former Chief Prosecutor for the
   terrorism trials at Guantanamo Bay, 29 April 2013


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Re: [CentOS] TELNENT TO LOCALHOST IN CENTOS 7

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:04:30PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
 
 Umm, yeah.   Encrypted protocols would never be compromised

Which do you think is more likely?  Someone sniffing a cleartext
credential set on the wire or someone subverting an alleged secure
encrypted protocol?

Nothing is bullet-proof, we all know this, but you at least make an
attempt not to run cleartext crap.






John
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Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know.

-- Tao


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Re: [CentOS] yum-plugin-security

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:07:00PM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
 
 If you just want to be notified (or start a job, or whatever) then why
 not set up something to watch the centos-announce list, parse the
 subject lines for Security, and then do whatever you need to do
 after that.

You're actually going to want to look for 'CESA' which indicates a
security update announcement.




John
-- 
One man's ways may be as good as another's, but we all like our own best.

-- Jane Austen (16 December 1775 - 18 July 1817), English novelist,
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Re: [CentOS] yum-plugin-security

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:41:17PM +0100, Gabriele Pohl wrote:
 
 I don't like to spend time in creating ugly workarounds..
 and therefore would highly appreciate if the CentOS-Developers
 will add the data to the yum repositories.
 Then I can use Munin to monitor the pending security packages
 also for CentOS as now only for my RHEL machines.

It's not that simple.  Please have a look at the list archives in the
past couple months where this was addressed.  The threads were either
here or on the centos-devel mailing list.


http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel

If memory serves the primary factor that is holding this up is a space
requirements issue; the threads can shed more light on it, however.






John
-- 
Which is more believable: In the beginning there was God, who created the
universe, or in the beginning there was nothing, which exploded?

-- nog


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Re: [CentOS] NTFS-3g from EPEL doesn't work here, older one from PUIAS does

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:07:50PM +0100, wwp wrote:
 
 Did I miss something? I browsed the web and RH's bug tracker but found
 nothing yet.

Perhaps open a ticket in bugzilla against EPEL for that component if one
doesn't already exist?




John
-- 
Be in charge of your own destiny, or some one else will.

-- John Francis Jack Welch, Jr. (1935-), past Chairman
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Re: [CentOS] Not To James B. Byrne

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:48:52PM +, Always Learning wrote:
 

Noise removed.

Is it too much to ask for that this thread, if not the list as a whole,
return to being CentOS specific?





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Re: [CentOS] DMARC and Mailman (was: Not To James B. Byrne)

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:44:15PM -0500, Darr247 wrote:
 
 Is the SELinux list run on a different mail server?
 'cause I haven't seen any 'dmarc=fail' emails to *that* list end up
 in my Spam folder.

Take a look at the headers of a message from that list.  If it's RFC
compliant it will present you with various mailing-list specific
headers, one of which will quite likely identify the mailing list
software in use.






John
-- 
Develop an attitude of gratitude, and give thanks for everything that
happens to you, knowing that every step forward is a step toward achieving
something bigger and better than your current situation.

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Re: [CentOS] Conflicts updating packages, hot to get ride of them without mess up all my OS?

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:58:06AM -0430, reynie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes I have latest PHP release 5.5.18 not present at CentOS repo so it's not
 possible to remove that repo since I'll need in the future for updates
 otherwise I'll have a lot of conflicts between versions at CentOS repo and
 REMI versions.

php-5.5.18 is also available at the IUS repo which has a better
reputation than Remi.





John
-- 
Live a good life.  If there are gods and they are just, they will not care
how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you
have lived by.  If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to
worship them.  If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have
lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CESA-2014:1764 Moderate CentOS 6 wget Security Update

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 02:16:27PM +0300, Andrey Z. wrote:
 People would be grateful if CentOS developers have built an updated
 version of wget in centosplus repository.

While I am personally a little irritated that this isn't being addressed
by Red Hat the fact is that the workaround is trivial - just add

retr-symlinks=on

in /etc/wgetrc; which is effectively what the patch for CentOS-6 and -7
does.





John
-- 
It has to be said, we must all own up that without Les Paul, generations of
flash little punks like us would be in jail or cleaning toilets.  This man,
by his genius, made the road that we still travel today.  I don't know how
he did it, but I'm so grateful he did.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.5 equivalents in CentOS 7

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 03:56:58AM +, Always Learning wrote:
 
 iptables -A table-name -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
 
 No reboot needed. 'table-name' can be INPUT or another user defined
 table name.
 
 firewall-cmd with its Windoze-like structure and syntax is definitely
 unappealing to many normal firewall users.

If this is done on a box with firewalld enabled it will be overwritten
as firewalld knows nothing about it.






John
-- 
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] A request for help managing wiki permissions

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:46:35AM -0500, Jim Perrin wrote:
 
 If you're willing to participate and you're known to us, please
 volunteer in this thread.

If I can assist I would be happy to do so.




John
-- 
For all your days be prepared,
And meet them ever alike:
When you are the anvil, bear -
When you are the hammer, strike.

-- Edwin Markham (23 April 1852 - 7 March 1940), American poet, Preparedness,
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Permissions For Editing Centos Wiki Pages

[John R. Dennison]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 05:57:16AM +, Emre Çamalan wrote:
 Hi,
 i want to update some wiki pages such as
 http://wiki.centos.org/additionalresources/repositories/rpmforge  for
 help to developt centos project.

Out of curiosity what changes did you have planned for the section on
rpmforge/repoforge?






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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 docs, tutorials, etc...

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 08:00:44AM -0500, William Woods wrote:
 Either is your paranoia……

Enough already.  Can you please take this off-list?




John
-- 
Since every individual is accountable ultimately to the self, the formation
of that self demands our utmost care and attention.

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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 05:33:22PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
 
 What happens to ownership of a DVD or audio device when a different
 user logs in at the console - even if some other remote user wants to
 access them?   The magic is more about ConsoleKit and PolicyKit than
 specifically systemd but the underlying dbus gunk seems to be merging
 together.

And the monthly reminder:

Please watch your replies to this list.  Reindl is _not_ a subscriber
and all you do is inject his diatribes back here where he's not wanted
thus circumventing his removal.

Thank you.




John
-- 
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.

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Re: [CentOS] Actual complaining: nixspam

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 04:04:49PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 
 b) What assurance do I have that whoever I chose won't wind up with the
 same problem, given that, as I mentioned, a dozen years ago, they were
 blocking a good part of the city of Chicago?

Umm, that's actually hardly true considering the number of providers in
Chicago.

Listen...  I get it... you're frustrated.  But the fact of the matter is
that you're the only one getting nailed by this that is complaining
about it and it's quite trivial to work around this on your end.  Get a
$5 USD a month vps, toss up postfix, lock it down so only you can relay
through it, point your outbound mail routing through it, profit.  This
should take you no more than an hour to set up.

Hell Mark... _I_ will be happy to relay outbound for you, no charge, for
as long as you want it.

Should things be the way they are?  No, probably not.  Should you be
ignored by TPTB with regards to this?  No, probably not.  Is anything
likely to change?  No, likely not.  It is what it is, for better or
worse.

The offer is legit.  If you want to take me up on it and we can get this
fixed for you, awesome.  If not, I urge you to take matters into your
own hands and implement a solution to address this recurring problem.






John
-- 
Failure is not the only punishment for laziness; there is also the success
of others.

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Re: [CentOS] Actual complaining: nixspam

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 04:50:56PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 
 By the way, IX, the German magazine that runs nixspam, doesn't respond to
 emails, either. *THEY* are the problem, not my hosting provider (which,
 their support tells me, does work with nixspam, and pays a nice chunk of
 change every time they're blocked.

Then they're doing it wrong as paying to be delisted is not quite above
board.




John
-- 
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.

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Re: [CentOS] Actual complaining: nixspam

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 05:04:45PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 
 Well, no: they tell me that they are *billed* for each major incident.

There is a legal term that applies to this use case: extortion




John

-- 
Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET
sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour; a long habit of
not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being
RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.  But
the tumult soon subsides.  Time makes more converts than reason.

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Re: [CentOS] Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 07:16:16PM -0700, Keith Keller wrote:
 
 I can't speak for John, but presumably you were singled out for making
 your complaint in a completely ridiculous and inappropriate way.

Please take this pissing contest off-list if you would all be so kind.




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This is all happening because my father didn't buy me a train set as a kid.

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Re: [CentOS-docs] CentOS-docs Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 12:23:57AM -0400, 666threesixes666 wrote:
 On 10/03/2014 12:11 AM, centos-docs-requ...@centos.org wrote:
 i think the rate limiting section sucks too...  it should instead be
 suggesting sshguard which can ban multiple failed login attempts for
 variable amounts of time.  i have mine set to ban for a week.
 fail2ban can do the same for passwords but you can stream keys to
 it.  -666threesixes666

Please learn to trim your replies to this and other CentOS mailing
lists.  Three is no need whatsoever to include multiple hundreds
of lines of unnecessary text in your replies.

Thank you,





John
-- 
I do not fear an army of lions, if they are led by a lamb.  I do fear an
army of sheep, if they are led by a lion.

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Re: [CentOS] Need to Understand booting process of CENTOS-7

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 03:43:47PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 
 First mistake: what makes you think we're your team? This is an open
 mailing list that we've all subscribed to, and we're all over the world,
 and in various positions and skillsets. We are not your team.

I agree with Mark here (imaginey that); and to add to that I consider
this it poor taste, if not outright insulting, to just assume we are on
the same team.  We're not.  I for one will not be part of a team with
people that expect others to do their job for them.

 Right - how *did* he get that title (or did he just make it up)?

^ that.

I am not trying to come down on the OP here, this is part of a much
larger problem.  The problem is one of entitlement and laziness.  You
can couch this in whatever politically correct (ask me about my thoughts
on that some time) phrasing you want, but it all boils down to this.

People have forgotten how to do things on their own and expect everyone
else to just drop what they're doing so they can work on the problems of
others.  Well, life's not like that.  People damned well need to start
doing at least a modicum of research on their own.

This problem is becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on; and
quite frankly the level of competence in IT and surrounding fields has
been going steadily down the toilet for quite some time because of it.

And people that defend, to whatever degree, this type of behavior are
part of the overall problem.  Three is a huge difference between helping
others and coddling them; start helping and stop coddling.  If _I_ can
manage to do my job without having to depend on others I'm pretty sure
it's a fair bet others can as well.




John
-- 
Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give
offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit
communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about
solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy.

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Re: [CentOS] Package Bash Redhat 4

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:33:08AM -0200, Eduardo Augusto Pinto wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Anybody has bash package to Redhat 4 ?

I imagine Red Hat does as they are providing support for EL4 still if
you are willing to pay for it.





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The Special Olympics is to winners as FOX News is to experts.
If you show up, you are one.

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Re: [CentOS] Package Bash Redhat 4

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 09:54:45AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
 
 Or the Oracle version that you can download should work too:
 https://oss.oracle.com/el4/SRPMS-updates/bash-3.0-27.0.2.el4.src.rpm
 or the equivalent binary rpm under
 http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/EnterpriseLinux/EL4/latest/x86_64/

Or... you could pay Red Hat for support on the EOL release if you want
it, you know... supported.

El4 went out of standard support on 2/29/2012.  If you are still running
EL4 and want updates pay for 'em.





John
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When good is dumb, evil will always triumph.

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Re: [CentOS] Apache wakes-up inactive Exim

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 02:52:45AM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
 
 Sendmail is not present on the server. Exim is the only MTA. Exim awoke,
 forwarded the email then became inactive (not running) again.

He didn't say sendmail the package was present; he said sendmail the
command.

rpm -qvl exim | grep sendmail

Those targets are used by the alternatives system and provide backwards
compatibility with the _industry standard_ of /usr/sbin/sendmail and
/usr/lib/sendmail, which are expected interfaces.

 
 I was curious how a non-running Exim can be run, solely to forward mail,
 then returned to its inactive state. I assume some system software
 identified the PHP outgoing email, and launched the only MTA installed
 (Exim) just to handle the outgoing email.

exim sends mail by default; nothing needs to be running to do so.






John
-- 
One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual
responsibility is the difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems
on.  And when you do find somebody, it's remarkable how often his picture
turns up on your driver's license.

-- P. J. O'Rourke (14 November 1947-), American political satirist,
   Rolling Stone, 30 November 1989


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Re: [CentOS] php-mcrypt

[John R. Dennison]

On Mon, Sep 08, 2014 at 12:44:44AM +0200, mn 320 wrote:
 Is Centos team going to publish a correct version of php-mcrypt via yum?
 Centos 6.5 and now 7 is out but no php-mcrypt. php-mcrypt is used by lots
 of applications. and the one from EPEL repository is buggy and sometimes
 makes my server crash.

Um...  how does a php module cause your server to crash?




John
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This is all happening because my father didn't buy me a train set as a kid.

-- Warren Buffett, joking about his decision to buy a railroad, the Burlington
   Northern Santa Fe Corporation, New York Times, 4 November 2009


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Re: [CentOS] EPEL-7 is Released

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 05:41:12PM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
 
 On Fri, August 29, 2014 3:21 pm, Karanbir Singh wrote:
  EPEL-7 is now considered GA
 
 could everybody be so kind as to decipher your abbreviations...

General Availability.

This term has been used in enterprise and other circles for decades.




John
-- 
If thinking men are few, they are for that reason all the more powerful.
Let no man imagine that he has no influence.  Whoever he may be, and
wherever he may be placed, the man who thinks becomes a light and a power.

-- Henry George (1839-1897), American political economist, Social Problems
   (1883) Ch. 21


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Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 02:58:29PM -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
 On 8/22/2014 2:55 PM, Christof Stocker wrote:
  So I noticed that the minimal installation of CentOS 7 comes - in
  contrary to minimal CentOS 6.5 - preinstalled with the NetworkManager.
 
  I somewhat understand its usefulness, especially for wlan / desktops,
  and its not like it really bothers me.. That being said, it seems to me
  with my naive linux understanding that it kinda goes against the
  definition of a minimal installation.
 
  Does anyone know why this decision was made / a good idea?
 
 network manager is used by default to manage all sorts of connections 
 now, including ethernet with DHCP.

More important with regards to the minimal install set it matches what
Red Hat is doing.





John
-- 
If there is an embarrassment equivalent of post-traumatic stress disorder,
South Carolina has it.

-- Dick Harpootlian, former state Democratic chairman, on its recent
   politics, New York Times, 12 June 2010


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Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 06:13:56PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 And most of us *still* don't like it

And luckily there is a solution.  Don't use CentOS-7.





John
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Re: [CentOS] NetworkManager

[John R. Dennison]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 05:24:06PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
 Except that wasting time re-learning a new and strange way to do
 something that already worked - or how to disable the new thing so it
 doesn't break your working setup - doesn't really put you ahead of
 anything.

This is a _major_ release.  Things change during _major_ releases.
Luckily you aren't being forced at gunpoint to use it.

Seriously.  Your constant complaints against the Red Hat way of doing
things got old a decade ago.



John
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There's only one way to have a happy marriage and as soon as I learn what it
is I'll get married again.

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 6.6 changes

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 12:21:48AM -0400, Ted Miller wrote:
 What are the significant changes in Centos 6.6 (as released so far)?

There is no CentOS 6.6 release yet :)  The upstream beta was released
a couple weeks back but it is a closed beta available to current RHEL6
clients and partners only.

Release and technical notes, however, are available at:

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/





John
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I for one welcome our new computer overlords.

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Re: [CentOS] Java plugin (icedtea-web) does not load

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 09:12:36AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
 
 I agree about the BS part but that does not make it unenforceable BS in some
 jurisdictions.  And then there is always the threat of impoverishment through
 litigation.  A big enough complainant can simply litigate frivolous torts to
 impose an economic penalty on its victim regardless of the outcome.  Those
 sorts of disclaimers simple provide a pretext.

It's all noise and such nonsense should be restricted by policy by list
owners.  If people can't figure out email by now they need to go back to
using pencil and paper.





John
-- 
Gullibility and credulity are considered undesirable qualities in every
department of human life -- except religion.

-- Christopher Hitchens (13 April 1949 - 15 December 2011),
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Re: [CentOS] rsyslog does not log on a separate partition/FS mounted on /var/log/

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 04:50:41PM +, Tony Mountifield wrote:
 
 Probably rsyslog is being started before /var/log is mounted, and so it
 is opening files within /var/log on the root device.

rsyslog should start after local mounts are finished.

I suspect it's selinux; /var/log should have a var_log_t context and I
suspect it doesn't.






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