from:"Ljubomir Ljubojevic"

On 12/13/20 8:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
>> the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
>> heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is called that?
> 
> 
> So, the majority of users are silent, because they're happy? Cool.

HAHAHAHAHA, what a wonderful imaginary world you live in :-D
530 negative commends on the blog, 7.800 signed the petition, 100+
negative mails on the CentOS mailing list, and at least 200 negative
comments only in CentOS Facebook group, not counting comments in other
20-30 groups.

So yeah, lets go with only 5 complainers :-D

So long, there is nothing more to be said on this topic, except that I
will be soon leaving Facebook group admin team.


> 
> 
>> Point is that RH DID slow down build of clones due to this change
>>
> 
> Your memory is still rusty.  Early accusations were that this would
> impact developers (such as Oracle) who were adding additional patches to
> the kernel, or other maintenance.  It never impacted "clones" like
> CentOS at all.
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

In the context of RHEL clones, I think we should use term "EL" instead
of "CentOS", that is now trademark owned by RH.

On 12/13/20 8:36 PM, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 1:05 μ.μ., Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> 
>> Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
>> announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
>> and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
>> commendable approach.
> 
> Sounds great!
> 
> It comes to mind that if Lenix and RockyLinux (and possibly other major
> forces) could merge and join efforts as a common project, the project
> could gain tremendous momentum very fast.
> 
> As was earlier mentioned, it is not easy to maintain such projects in
> the long term (despite goodwill), so joining forces would be quite safer
> for both the projects and the community, while it would also keep the
> community more focused, avoiding to disperse in multiple distros.
> 
> In any case, this is the kind of projects we would want to see, rather
> than large corporations' clones like OL.
> 
> And what I like is that there is so much energy in the CentOS community,
> that so important new projects are being announced in day zero after
> CentOS suicidal turn to Stream.
> 
> I am very confident that CentOS will live and prosper, but with a
> different name! (Unless IBM/RH **immediately** withdraw their announced
> plans and course of action.)
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux


Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
commendable approach.


On 12/10/20 8:05 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
> 
> Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux
> 
> (https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
> 
> CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
> popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
> stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
> killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
> Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.
> 
> 
> 
> As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
> open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
> (and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
> totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
> versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
> will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
> board from members of the community.
> 
> 
> Why We Are Doing It
> 
> We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
> already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
> decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to RHEL8.
> We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
> to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
> Support offering.
> 
> 
> 
> What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong
> 
> We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
> to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
> just pick up where we left off.
> 
> 
> What It Means For You
> 
> If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
> well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.
> 
> 
> 
> If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
> CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
> updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
> CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
> repositories & keys.
> 
> 
> Timeline
> 
> Q1 2021
> 
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Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

On 12/13/20 5:48 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
>> endorsement".
> 
> 
> Exactly.  That's why it's so weird that those people, today, think that
> CentOS Stream won't be usable, based on their interpretation of the
> official statements from Red Hat.  Red Hat's statements weren't taken
> into consideration before, but now they're a sign of doom?

Do not turn this upside down. Many obviously smarter then me saw this
coming. Us more gullible believed when corporation told us nothing will
change, while they took control of entire project. Death by thousand
cuts is always more preferable by corporations, less bad PR.
And they are not sign of doom but death, but of only this particular
clone, others will take it's mantle. The reason I an agitated is I
believed and with all my hearth supported this project, and now is owned
by heartless profit-driven corporation

> 
> 
>> If they ... even allowed ANYONE ELSE that was not employed by Red Hat in
>> 2014 to even come close to learning the secrets of rebuild, no backlash
>> would have happened
> 
> 
> I'm going to stop you there, because the CentOS maintainers kept that
> process out of public visibility long before Red Hat was ever involved. 
> If you think users should know more about the process, then you are
> pointing fingers at the *wrong* people.
> 
> I don't want this to become a flame war.  So rather than pointing
> fingers, let's focus on the fact that CentOS Stream promises to be
> developed in the open, resolving the problem that you're describing.
> 
> Red Hat is fixing the thing you're complaining about.
Don't be silly. They wanted to control the process, and to prevent
anyone else from cutting into their process.
You should read their manifesto for stream, only RH employees will be
able to change that code, others will only be able to report bugs/issues
and to sit and watch what RH does with them.
Only real difference with stream is for those few hundred developers
that are developing software that runs on RHEL so their code can be
deployed as soon as new point release is launched.

And even that RH does more for it's own gain, so that (opensurce?)
projects/software important to RH can be deployed without delay, lest
users ditch RH and go elsewhere.


> 
> Red Hat is giving us the thing that has been requested more often, by
> more people, than any other change in CentOS, and the result is that the
> press is full of stories about users being angry, because five people on
> the mailing lists sent a lot of messages.  (About half of the traffic in
> the threads on centos and centos-devel comes from five people, and
> various people replying to them.)

When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is called that?


> 
> 
>> But no, as soon as Oracle started rebuilding RHEL source code Red Hat
>> first made things difficult for everyone to create kernels (source code
>> was not srpms anymore but tar?)
> 
> 
> You're misinformed.  Kernels are still built from SRPM, but the archive
> used is no longer an upstream release with a series of patches.

Not misinformed, I was part of that discussion 9 years ago, but my
memory was little rusty, but I was part of that discussion and It did
not bother be to track down one of the comments about kernel tarballs
being published as monolith code vs trackable patches, to make problems
for builders of RHEL clones:

"There is the kernel tarball issue. That's understandable, but real.
Red Hat is publishing their kernels as tarballs, rather than as the
vanilla tarball with a list of ordered patches against it. This makes
layering in, or out, specific patches much more awkward. Was Oracle
being any better about this? Does anyone have actual pointers to their
SRPM's?"
(https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-March/063442.html)

> 
> The reason for the change is not insidious.  It's unfortunate that the
> pristine source + patches can't be maintained, I agree, but speaking as
> a developer: maintaining hundreds of patches that touch intersecting
> files and rebasing them all when earlier patches are updated is an
> incredibly difficult and time consuming task.  And, if I remember
> correctly, applying all of those patches took almost as long as building
> the kernel.  If it takes that long to just prepare the source code,
> that's a major hit to productivity when a developer needs to work on the
> code or build the SRPM to validate changes.
> 
> And, u

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.

On 12/12/20 9:55 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
>> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
>> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
>> there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
>> enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.
> 
> Springdale does not at present have an EL8 release to the best of my
> knowledge.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 12/12/20 4:43 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
>> "John R. Dennison"  wrote:
>>
>>>   Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
>>>   children's table during a pandemic.
>>
>> Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
>> pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.
>>
> 
> While we are on pandemic, a complete different point here now.
> ( its already being said, but it occupies us still mentally )
> 
> What about the small businesses that in this times suffer very much,
> being forced to pay licenses will kill them ... I have a client that
> moved from IBMCloud/RedHat to AWS/CentOS to survive this times.
> (BTW: I suggest initially to use RHEL!) What do imagine who will be
> killed when they receive the message that they should plan some budgets
> for new licenses ...

Hi.
Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.

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[CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

2020-12-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":

Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

(https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)

CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.

As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
(and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
board from members of the community.

Why We Are Doing It

We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to RHEL8.
We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
Support offering.

What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong

We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
just pick up where we left off.

What It Means For You

If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.

If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
repositories & keys.

Timeline

Q1 2021

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Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 12/10/20 5:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100
> Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> 
>> But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle...  ;-)
>>
>> Sorry, I couldn't resist
> 
> Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, too.  :)
> 

There is always Springdale Linux made by Princeton University:
https://puias.math.ias.edu/

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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 12/10/20 5:28 PM, mark wrote:
> On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs  wrote:
>>
>>>> I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release
>>>>> aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in
>>>>> the
>>>>> future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" and it
>>>>> won't be
> 
>> As CentOS Stream grows, I expect many companies who sell hardware will
>> become active members of the community.
>>
> I expect them to leave. In the real world, we had EXTREMELY limited
> windows to update servers and workstations. To expect people to do daily
> updates is asking for management, as well as the users, to scream bloody
> murder. Most are *not* that technical, and will start blaming the update
> for something else not working, and management will hear *them*.
> 
> I was chased off RH after RH 9, when it went to pay for licenses (and I
> was "between positions"), and came back, because I *like* the RH
> architecture. but I'm considering ubuntu now.

There is Springdale RHEL clone made by Princeton University...

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Re: [CentOS] Missing intel/sof/sof-cml.ri for CentOS 8.3

Report from ElRepo guys is that every single driver they maintain is
broken between 8.2 and 8.3, there was change i kABI.

Contact ElRepo for help/explanation or report a bug in CentOS bugzila.

On 12/9/20 11:06 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Hello all--
> I recently did a bulk update from 8.2 to 8.3. I am having some odd issues
> with it not recognizing my NVIDIA Quadro P1X00 graphics card properly. In
> graphical mode, it only shows ONE display resolution and also my system can
> not find firmware --
> intel/sof/sof-cml.ri
> Any idea about what to do flor either of these issues?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] Moving to CentOS 8 Stream

TBD is only for ISO file. There is ISO for 8.1, just not for 8.2, and
there is even boot.iso for 8.2 for online install.

On 12/9/20 10:05 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 09.12.20 um 21:11 schrieb Ljubomir Ljubojevic:
>> Considering there is entire year until "CentOS Linux 8" is EOL, and few
>> years until "CentOS Linux 7" is eol, I agree there is no rush to switch.
>>
>> I will use next 12 months to test Springdale Linux (ex PUIAS Linux) and
>> wait and see what comes out of "Rocky Linux" startup that has started
>> today (they already have skeleton of the team assembled and are talking
>> about infrastructure) and if both of those fail to work out, last few
>> months of 2021 I will learn from colleagues about Debian.
> 
> As Springdale already a 8-branch? Website shows "TBD" ...
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Re: [CentOS] Moving to CentOS 8 Stream

Considering there is entire year until "CentOS Linux 8" is EOL, and few
years until "CentOS Linux 7" is eol, I agree there is no rush to switch.

I will use next 12 months to test Springdale Linux (ex PUIAS Linux) and
wait and see what comes out of "Rocky Linux" startup that has started
today (they already have skeleton of the team assembled and are talking
about infrastructure) and if both of those fail to work out, last few
months of 2021 I will learn from colleagues about Debian.

P.S. Do not expect money-grabing top of Red Hat to change
"get-rich-fast" scheme, I don't... their funeral.

On 12/9/20 8:43 PM, david wrote:
> 
> Hours of reading
> 
> 
> 
> CentOS Fans:
> 
> I've spent hours yesterday and today reading the messages about the
> Centos 8 Stream, and expect to do it for the next few days also.  I
> would recommend that anyone contemplating some action, such as switching
> to a different distribution, advising your management to change, or
> similar, postpone that action for a while.  Let the dust settle, let the
> policy makers evaluate the comments, and watch for clarifications and/or
> modifications of the plan.
> 
> For lack of a better date, I suggest waiting until the first business
> day of 2021 (Monday 04 January) before taking any significant actions.
> 
> Personally, I've already invested some of my time incorporating CentOS
> 8.  I've also been working with Ubuntu since that seems to be the only
> way forward with Raspberry Pi and Apple/Intel machines, but I'll keep my
> CentOS 7/8 machines stable for this month at least.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Gregory Kurtzer, founder od CAOS Linux that later changed name to CentOS
is starting new RHEL clone: https://github.com/hpcng/rocky

On 12/8/20 8:34 PM, Strahil Nikolov via CentOS-devel wrote:
> If anyone is considering to fork CentOS 8 (I'm not talking about that
> "Stream"), count me in.
> 
> Otherwise I will switch to openSUSE Leap. At least they are not pushing
> me some testing ground.
> 
> Best Regards,
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> 
> В 12:07 -0500 на 08.12.2020 (вт), Phelps, Matthew написа:
>> I still haven't seen an answer to the question, "Who made this
>> decision?"
>> and, "How can we lobby to get it changed?"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen  wrote:
>>
>>> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the
>>> next
>>> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red
>>> Hat
>>> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead
>>> of a
>>> current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will
>>> end
>>> at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date,
>>> serving as
>>> the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
>>> Linux
>>> 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the remainder
>>> of
>>> the RHEL 7 life cycle.
>>> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/#Life_Cycle_Dates
>>>
>>> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
>>> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
>>> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the
>>> next
>>> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal,
>>> rather
>>> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
>>> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of
>>> RHEL.
>>> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux
>>> distribution ecosystem.
>>>
>>> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option
>>> will
>>> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from
>>> CentOS
>>> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
>>> releases.
>>> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and
>>> are
>>> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage
>>> you
>>> to contact Red Hat about options.
>>>
>>> We have an FAQ - https://centos.org/distro-faq/ - to help with your
>>> information and planning needs, as you figure out how this shift of
>>> project focus might affect you.
>>>
>>> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>>>
>>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
>>> ]
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

On 12/9/20 12:01 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite 
>>> arrogant?
>> I am sorry you feel that way.  I was trying to help.  Red Hat has
> 
> Yeah, um, if I'm coming across as arrogant, I apologize. I genuinely think
> this is overall a good thing, and I'm hoping some of y'all will see some of
> that. I realize my excitement might not be completely catching at first.
> 
> But Johnny is easily in the running for "least arrogant person I know", and
> has demonstrated that consistantly for years and years, as anyone who has
> followed CentOS regularly will attest. So, c'mon, let's please not take this
> there.
> 

I do not see you or anyone else as arrogant. Any harsh words, especially
from Johnny can be attributed to frustration of not getting his view
across, and I do not fault him for that.

But harsh fact remains that CentOS Linux, a free clone of RHEL, is being
slaughtered, and as far as I am concerned that "Stream" thingy can be
renamed to RHEL Stream because it has no resemblance to CentOS Linux I
know and love.

CentOS Community wants free clone of stable and respected RHEL. That is
only thing that we can use to compete with Debian/Ubuntu which have
vanila kernel (it takes long text to explain to people what RHEL kernel
is or is not), proprietary/non-GPL drivers, codecs and apps Red Hat does
not want to add to RHEL, EPEL or Fedora. Majority of Linux users does
not want to bother with 3rd paraty repositories, convoluted ways to add
some things (that sometimes clash with base packages), etc. That is why
CentOS or even Fedora was never accepted as Desktop/Laptop, and I am
loosing desire to fight for CentOS's place under the sun.

I was actually planing to convert several C6 and C7 servers to C8, and
now I am happy I did not waste my time on it.
I even wanted to lobby to move servers of Mensa Serbia to CentOS (8),
but those are now DEFINITELY going to be all Debian which my co-admin
wishes, and it will be place where I will start learning Debian way in
preparation for "Day of Sorrow" in 12 months.

So with "CentOS Linux" gone, it is either some other clone (which will
take a lot of fate I do not have at the moment) like Springdale or newly
started Rocky Linux, or Debian Stable

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

I agree with you 100%. I was almost laughed at by vast majority of Linux
professionals when I say I use CentOS exclusively, because 90% of them
uses Debian or Ubuntu, and around 99% of developers does the same.

I see this developing like this:
All/most of the hosting companies will stop offering CentOS in favor of
Debian-based distro's (I doubt they will try other RHEL clones) and the
number of people who *HAVE* to learn CentOS/RHEL will dwindle, leaving
only those who work for RHEL customers, reducing Red Hats subscription pool.

I managed to filter all of my feelings and thoughts in two sentences:

Majority of CentOS users only care about "99% binary compatibility with
*upstream* distro". Take that away and entire Red Hat opensource model
and support is gone, same as Oracle has very little following in Linux
world.


On 12/9/20 8:15 AM, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote:
> On 9.12.2020 0.38, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible that more regressions will get through than have before?
>> Well, sure, some. But let's not pretend that even RHEL is ever
>> regression-free. It's software, after all, and there are bugs and
>> errata. I don't think that for most self-supported CentOS use, it will
>> be particularly dangerous to switch to Stream at all.
> 
> It might or it might not. But you can't say to people in good faith anymore
> that it will be as stable as the current RHEL release.
> 
>> And if your use case isn't covered by one of the upcoming low- and
>> no-cost programs, and you can't take the risk or the possible increased
>> change management overhead, or for some other reason... well, is it
>> _really_ so bad for companies to pay for RHEL? (I like my family to be
>> able to eat, so I'm a bit biased but all of this has to come from
>> something.)
>>
> 
> I have recommended CentOS to my customers as way to get going and also
> recommended getting the subscription for RHEL when possible afterwards.
> 
> After the change I lost my last argument for not going to Ubuntu LTS
> instead. Lot of companies I deal with have already done that. Problem is
> that with Ubuntu being in developers/users workstations that is what
> people mainly want without good arguments for something different.
> 
> This might serve the way to reduce amount of RHEL subscriptions in
> future. If this will happen, that I don't know. What I do know is that I
> don't have any arguments left for getting people started on RHEL/CentOS
> route.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 & AMD hardware?

2019-10-25 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/25/19 11:49 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
> Putting together a system build, AMD based.
> Ryzen 5 CPU on X570 chipset with Radeon RX480
> GPU.
> Guessing this will be supported by Centos OK?
> (Unless you know different! :-)  )
> 
> https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-400-series/radeon-rx-400-series/radeon-rx-480
>   Shows driver support.
> 
> Does Centos repo's hold these drivers or do I download after
> the install please?

CentOS 8 is bassed on Fedora 28. It has open source radeon version in
kernel. If should recognise it and give default usability until you
download and install AND's driver.

> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 hardware compatibility testing?

2019-10-23 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/23/19 6:03 AM, Frank Cox wrote:
> With Centos 7 and earlier I've been using the Live CD image to test new 
> hardware (laptops etc) for compatibility.  That way I can get a desktop up 
> and try the sound and the networking and whatnot without affecting what is 
> already installed on the machine, and then if everything looks good I can 
> just run the installer right from the Live CD image.
> 
> There's no Live CD image for Centos 8, so what would be a good way to 
> accomplish the task of testing new hardware with Centos 8 before attempting 
> to install the operating system?
> 

Live CD is planed but not yet produced. Until it is, I think you can add
USB and install test CentOS 8 using only that USB as disk (uncheck all
other disks).
Some RAID drivers (including JBOD/fakeraid) are missing (RHEL removed
them because of stability issues), MATE is not yet available from
regular EPEL but there is private Fedora COPR repository for it, and for
any hardware missing drivers most likely you can get them from ElRepo
repository. Search archives of this mailing list or visit Official
CentOS Facebook group for details.

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-10-22 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/21/19 9:41 PM, David G. Miller wrote:
> On 10/21/19 1:00 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> On 10/21/19 6:02 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
>>> On 10/11/19 7:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 15:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of minor tweaks:
>>>
>>> v
>>> yum --skip-broken install mate\* -x mate\*devel\* -x mate-menu -x
>>> mate-optimus\*
>>> yum groupinstall "MATE" --skip-broken
>>> vvv
>>> yum groupinstall "MATE Desktop" --skip-broken --exclude "*logos*"
>>>
>>> but otherwise working. Decided that I should see whether I could get
>>> MATE working on CentOS 8 before fiddling with Xfce. I now have a usable
>>> CentOS 8 desktop. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
>>>
>> Thanks Dave.
>> There is another option I posted in this general thread, a Fedora COPR
>> user has rebuilt MATE for EL8:
>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/
>>
>>
> Saw that but I wanted to work through your original process with MATE
> before trying the same approach with Xfce  The good news is that I got
> the same results but with Xfce.  One different tweak to get around some
> additional conflicts between Fedora 28 Xfce and CentOS 8 Gnome:
> 
> yum groupinstall "Xfce" --skip-broken --exclude "*adwaita-gtk2-theme*"
> yum groupinstall "Xfce Desktop" --skip-broken --exclude
> "*adwaita-gtk2-theme*" --exclude"*logos*"
> 
> Also, I skipped the step analogous to:
> 
> yum install mate* -x mate*devel* -x mate-menu
> 
> since it seemed to be redundant with doing the group installs.  So, I
> now have two CentOS 8 VMs with neither using Gnome 3.
> 
> Thanks again!!!

Very nice. I'll see to post this in CentOS group on Facebook.

> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-10-21 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/21/19 6:02 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
> On 10/11/19 7:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
>> On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 15:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> As of now, I have a working MATE DM on CentOS 8. It's a hack though,
>>> I
>>> used Fedora repositories. But that means compiling MATE in EPEL
>>> should
>>> be straightforward, just recompile Fedora 28 packages.
>>>
>>>
>>> I used Fedora 28 repo file  and Fedora 28 GPG keys (links are
>>> bellow),
>>> unpacked then to proper directory and in Fedora repo files I changed
>>> "$releasever" to "28".
>>> I also installed yum-plugin-priorities and in all CentOS repo's added
>>> "priority=1" and in all Fedora repos added "priority=2".
>>>
>>> Then I ran following commands (something like this, I experimented
>>> some):
>>>
>>>
>>> yum install python2-six
>>> yum install mate* -x mate*devel* -x mate-menu
>>> yum groupinstall "MATE" --skip-broken
>>> yum groupinstall "MATE Desktop" --skip-broken
>>> echo "exec /usr/bin/mate-session" >> ~/.xinitrc
>>> reboot
>>> and then selected MATE in login screen.
>>>
>>>
>>> Links to rpm's:
>>> https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/archive.fedoraproject.org/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/f/fedora-repos-28-1.noarch.rpm
>>>
>>> and
>>> https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/archive.fedoraproject.org/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/f/fedora-gpg-keys-28-1.noarch.rpm
>>>
>>>
>>> List of installed packages from Fedora 28:
>>> https://pastebin.com/VXL03Uqj
>>>
>> Ljubomi,
>>
>> Hooray! I re-installed CentOS 8 to a fresh VM and went through your
>> instructions again. This time everything rebuilt and installed
>> correctly. Thank you!
>>
>> --Doc Savage
>>    Fairview Heights, IL
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> Ljubomi -
> 
> A couple of minor tweaks:
> 
> v
> yum --skip-broken install mate\* -x mate\*devel\* -x mate-menu -x
> mate-optimus\*
> yum groupinstall "MATE" --skip-broken
> vvv
> yum groupinstall "MATE Desktop" --skip-broken --exclude "*logos*"
> 
> but otherwise working. Decided that I should see whether I could get
> MATE working on CentOS 8 before fiddling with Xfce. I now have a usable
> CentOS 8 desktop. Thank you!
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 

Thanks Dave.
There is another option I posted in this general thread, a Fedora COPR
user has rebuilt MATE for EL8:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 apcupsd or nut and duplicity

2019-10-20 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/19/19 9:08 PM, Ian P. wrote:
> Hello Again,
> Is there any update on nut or apcupsd for CentOS 8?
> 
> Also, I noticed that duplicity is not currently available for CentOS
> 8. I got the Fedora 30 SRPM for duplicity to build on CentOS, but ran
> into a dependency issue and cannot find python-devel. Any suggestions
> on alternatives or how to get duplicity going on CentOS 8?
> 
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Have you tried duplicity srpms from Fedora 28 (source of CentOS 8
packages) instead?

Also, I noted there mmight be issue with pythonn version 2 or 3,
depending on what distro is used. I am not sure this happens between F28
and C8, I haven't had time to see if it was only my mistake or something
should be done.

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Re: [CentOS] Manual partitioning and LVM

2019-10-20 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/20/19 7:25 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> I can't seem to figure out how to partition for install. I've tried both
> CentOS 8 and 7.7 netinstalls.
> 
> I've got 3 disks: sda (big hardware RAID array), sdb (SSD), and sdc
> (internal SD card for booting). I want to put /boot on sdc, /usr on sdb,
> and / on sda. I don't care what format is used on sdb and sdc, whatever
> will let it boot. I want LVM on sda so that I can use snapshotting for
> backups.
> 
> I can pre-format sdb1 and sdc1 as ext4 usinga gparted live DVD. If I
> select manual partitioning, I can then label and assign those two to
> /usr and /boot. I can see sda in the drives available on the first
> detination screen but but I don't see it in the manual partitioning
> screen. So I don't see how to partition and format it as an LVM volume
> that I can mount to /.

Do you select (green "checkbox") all three disks on the first
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-10-18 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/17/19 4:08 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 9/24/19 2:41 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
>> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any update on 
>> the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released?
>>
>> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack of Mate 
>> is kind of  a showstopper for me at the moment.
>>
> 
> Is gnome3 really that bad :D

Yes, it is.

My main reason is this (it has to do with me starting with Windows 3.1
and those functionalities are in Windows even today I have to use and
support at work):
1. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail
comes without need to move more then eyeball.
2. I can put icon on a desktop, document or link to app.
3. I can easily see all open apps and swith to them using mouse
4. I can put links to panel in top/bottom of the screen, visible and
easily accessible.
5. I want easily visible and accessible multiple workspaces I can switch
to. I like separate opened apps several per workspace custered for a
specifig (simultanious) job/task, Firefox in one Krusader in another, VM
i third, something else in forth...Then I can switch between apps IN
THAT workspace, I do not have to choose from dozes of windows (like with
Alt+Tab)

If Gnome 3 (Classic) can be configured to do such things in one go
(chosing a theme "Gnome 2") I would switch to it.

> 
> I decided to just bite the bullet and shift to real gnome3 (and not the
> classic) about 4 years ago.  It waas different and took some time to
> learn .. BUT .. I can do everything I need to do now.
> 
> I like both mate and cinnamon .. so I am not knocking either one. I just
> think people might be well server switching to a 'supported' desktop in
> the longer run.
> 
> Again .. don't get me wrong .. it's open source, so do what makes you
> happy :D
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Re: [CentOS] Crashed a CentOS 8 installation.

2019-10-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/16/19 4:05 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 04:00:20PM +0530, Thomas Stephen Lee wrote:
>> Failed to switch root: Specified switch root path /sysroot does not seem to
>> be an OS tree. os-release file is missing.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Tested, and yes, this happens after a reboot, grub2 isn't giving the
> initrd a root disk to switch to.
> 
> I had to edit the grub.cfg and add a single line,
> set default_kernelopts="..."
> 
> (using what was GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= was set in /etc/default/grub)
> 
> I'm not exactly sure which package that was installed that caused
> this. 
> 

Create a snapshot of clean VM and divide that list in 10 pieces and
install them one at the time and reboot afterwards. If VM boots, create
another snapshot. When it fails, reverse to previous snaphot and divide
that segment into 5-10 smaller pieces, rinse and repeat.

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

On 10/16/19 12:07 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 10:11:50PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> On 10/15/19 10:08 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> This is interesting and promising:
>>>
>>> "The official unofficial repository for MATE for EL8.":
>>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/neonman/MATE/
>>
>> The previous link is forked repo (I do not know why) and here is
>> original repo:
>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/
> 
> Oh good! I'm going to have to try that on my experiemtal C8 VM.
> I have for the moment given up on it because I can barely navigate
> my way through Gnome and it became just too painful.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

I just rebooted fresh CentOS 8 VM after installing MATE and it is
1.22.2, everything looks good.


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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

On 10/15/19 10:08 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> This is interesting and promising:
> 
> "The official unofficial repository for MATE for EL8.":
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/neonman/MATE/

The previous link is forked repo (I do not know why) and here is
original repo:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/


> 
> 
> 
> On 9/26/19 8:02 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> On 9/26/19 2:00 AM, Earl Ramirez wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you want it ... package and build it when building on 8 becomes
>>>> available via CBS to SIGs.  Should be early next week.
>>> With the new initiative CentOS and Fedora Stream, wouldn't it be easier
>>> collaborate with Fedora SIGs to bring an updated version of Mate to
>>> CentOS
>>
>> I managed to install F28 MATE packages to CentOS 8, so all is needed is
>> to recompile those in EPEL.
>>
>>>
>>>> and build whatever you want to build.  The question is ,, is someone
>>>> going to do it.
>>>
>>> I am not an expert here, I am very happy with GNOME but if there is
>>> anyone that will like to kick off the alternate desktop count me in. 
>>>
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

This is interesting and promising:

"The official unofficial repository for MATE for EL8.":
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/neonman/MATE/



On 9/26/19 8:02 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 9/26/19 2:00 AM, Earl Ramirez wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want it ... package and build it when building on 8 becomes
>>> available via CBS to SIGs.  Should be early next week.
>> With the new initiative CentOS and Fedora Stream, wouldn't it be easier
>> collaborate with Fedora SIGs to bring an updated version of Mate to
>> CentOS
> 
> I managed to install F28 MATE packages to CentOS 8, so all is needed is
> to recompile those in EPEL.
> 
>>
>>> and build whatever you want to build.  The question is ,, is someone
>>> going to do it.
>>
>> I am not an expert here, I am very happy with GNOME but if there is
>> anyone that will like to kick off the alternate desktop count me in. 
>>
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Re: [CentOS] Attempting to use tproxy on Centos 8 fails with 'No such file or directory'

On 10/15/19 9:16 PM, Nathan Coulson wrote:
> On 2019-10-15 12:12 p.m., Nathan Coulson wrote:
>> I was working on a haproxy transparent proxy setup that we had working
>> on Centos 7 (iptables), but running into issues getting tproxy working
>> with NFTables on Centos 8.
>>
>> From https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/tproxy.txt,
>>
>> It should be a matter of:
>>
>> # nft add table filter
>> # nft add chain filter divert "{ type filter hook prerouting priority
>> -150; }"
>> # nft add rule filter divert meta l4proto tcp socket transparent 1
>> meta mark set 1 accept
>>
>> But when running the 3rd line (add rule), I get
>>
>> root@kryptonite [/lib/modules/4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64]# nft add
>> rule filter divert meta l4proto tcp socket transparent 1 meta mark set
>> 1 accept
>> Error: Could not process rule: No such file or directory
>> add rule filter divert meta l4proto tcp socket transparent 1 meta mark
>> set 1 accept
>> 
>>
>>
>> (In attempting to resolve this, I did the following)
>>
>> modprobe nf_tproxy_ipv4
>> modprobe nf_tproxy_ipv6
>> modprobe nf_socket_ipv4
>> modprobe nf_socket_ipv6
>>
>> I also noted that:
>> nft add rule filter divert meta l4proto tcp  meta mark set 1 accept
>> (Removing socket transparent 1)
>>
>> does not exit with a failure.
>>
>> Also found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1651813, (which
>> did make reference to the nftables version 0.9.0 possibly missing
>> support, I have not tried compiling 0.9.1 yet,  but I find it curious
>> the entire line fails with 'socket transparent 1' making me wonder if
>> it is a missing module still)
>>
>>
> Adding to this:  just did a loop through the netfilter modules to see if
> something was missing (no change)
> 
> for x in $(find /lib/modules/4.18.0-80.11.2.el8_0.x86_64  | grep
> netfilter | sed 's/.*netfilter.//' | sed 's/\.ko.*$//' | sort); do
> echo ">>>>>>$x<<<<<<<<"
>   modprobe $x
>   nft add rule filter divert meta l4proto tcp socket transparent 1 meta
> mark set 1 accept
> done
> 
> 
How is that solved for Fedora 28 that CentOS 8 is based on?

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Re: [CentOS] mplayer or vlc?

On 10/15/19 4:20 PM, Adrian van Bloois wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there an mplayer or vlc available for CentOS-8?

There is a VLC 3.x in RPMFusion: https://rpmfusion.org/

Nux will not be creating repo for EL8, due to lack of time.


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Re: [CentOS] Browser doesnt work

On 10/15/19 3:18 PM, John Hodrien wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> 
>> CentOS is a desktop distribution in the sense that chickens fly and
>> horses swim. Of course you can turn it into a full-blown
>> bells-and-whistles desktop by fine-tuning the configuration and adding
>> lots of third-party stuff. I've done this myself for years, here for
>> example:
>>
>> https://www.microlinux.fr/poste-de-travail-entreprise-centos-7-kde/
>>
>> On the other hand, CentOS out of the box is a rather frustrating
>> experience on the desktop.
> 
> I've always disagreed with this view, however common it appears to be.
> 
> RHEL is sold as an Enterprise OS for Server, Cloud, Desktop, Laptop. 
> CentOS
> surely shouldn't be seen any differently.
> 
> What is it that makes CentOS a bad desktop OS?
> 
> I can install CentOS 8 on my laptop now, with a perfectly usable
> desktop, and
> 10 years of support.  Google Chrome runs just fine, and I can use
> containers
> via singularity on top for anything exotic.
> 
> What exactly am I missing out on by not running something else?
> 

They are talking about a fact that RHEL (and CentOS) do not provide
packages that have non-FOSS licenses, like Broadcom drivers, video
codecs, flash, etc., and you need 3rd-party repo like Nux-dextop,
rpmfusion for those, while almost all other distro's do provide those
packages and you only need to select non-FOSS packages from OFFICIALY
SUPPORTED repositories.



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Re: [CentOS] qeum on centos 8 with nvme disk

2019-10-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/12/19 11:38 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
> Hi All -  I use qemu on my centOS 7.7 box that has software raid of 2- SSD
> disks.
> 
> I installed an nVME drive in the computer also. I tried to insall CentOS8
> on it
> (the physical /dev/nvme0n1  with the -hda /dev/nvme0n1 as the disk.
> 
> The process started installing but is really "slow" - I was expecting with
> the nvme device it would be much quicker.
> 
> Is there something I am missing how to get a faster disk access ?

You should try with some other OS to make sure it is not a hardware
(BIOS/MB) problem. Maybe try with Windows or some other Linux and
compare speeds?

Also check if there is a firmware/BIOS update for the nVME controler...




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Re: [CentOS] Is it a way to upgrade CentOS 7 to 8?

2019-10-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/12/19 8:19 PM, Pierre Malard wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I’m looking for a method to upgrade my centos 7 servers to 8 and I don’t find 
> anything to do that!
> 
> I’m a very newbie with CentOS? My choices where gone to Debian or Ubuntu and 
> it was very simple. Just some files must be changed (/etc/apt/source.list). 
> My search suggest a RELH subscription. Is it the only way?
> 

Hi Pierre.

RHEL/CentOS are different then Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora. RHEL/CentOS 6.x
was based on Fedora 12 packages, RHEL/CentOS 7.x on Fedora 19 and
RHEL/CentOS 8.0 on Fedora 28 packages. As you can see, Upgrading from
CentOS 7 to 8 is like directly updating from Fedora 19 to Fedora 28, gap
of whole 9 versions, and Ubuntu from 14.04 to 19.04 (skipping 14.10,
15.04, 15.10, 16.04, 16.10, 17.04, 17.10, 18.04 and 18.10). This happens
because CentOS becomes EOL after 10 years and it's replacement 5 full
years after initial release. In whole that time, main packages like
glibc do not change version (except bugfixes).

So, differences between packages versions are VERY large, and simple
"upgrade" would most likely mess things up.

Red Hat did release a RHEL tool for upgrade, but there is no interest in
community to work to convert it for CentOS, so trying to upgrade CentOS
7 to 8 is risky at least.

I do not even think about upgrading my servers from 7 to 8, only clean
install is option for me (with backup before it of course).

On another note, if you do not have a pressing need to upgrade CentOS to
8, I would argue you can stay on 7 for next 3-5 years, or maybe upgrade
one at the time.

Many packages like php can be upgraded on CentOS 7. If you tell us why
you NEED to upgrade your servers to 8, maybe we can dirrect you to
solution like Software collection or IUS repository.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 virt-manager

2019-10-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/12/19 4:57 PM, Tom Bishop wrote:
> I am thinking about building a new host and trying to decide if
> virt-manager is working on CentOS 8. I thought I saw previously on the mail
> list that there were some issues but cannot find the thread right now. If
> anyone has migrated some workloads from 7 and seen any issues let me know.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

On 10/2/19 10:22 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 10/2/19 9:47 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic  wrote:
>>> Richard on CentOS-devel mailing list has similar problem but suggests it
>>> might be issue only with CentOS, he says he had to add the kernel line
>>> to make it work.
>>> Name of the tread is:
>>> [CentOS-devel] Booting CentOS 8 in a VM - can't find the disk
>>
>>
>> If you’re talking about this:
>>
>> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2019-October/017882.html 
>> <https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2019-October/017882.html>
>>
>> … then I think it’s unlikely to be related to missing drivers for a RAID 
>> controller on a SuperMicro system.
>>
> 
> I saw it uses Intel hdd controler so I thought it could be similar.
> 
> Here is solution for instaling CentOS 8 on Dell T610 with SAS controler
> (copied from Mike Chan):
> 
> Intro:
> 
> ** Keyword: CentOS 8 LSI SAS2
> Trying CentOS 8 on an old machine (Dell T610) but the installer can't
> find disks for installation.
> 
> It turns out that the RH removed the support for LSI SAS2 controllers in
> the mpt3sas driver.
> 
> I've found some articles about this, and is trying to install with
> elrepo-provided DUD (driver update disk).
> 
> Will update the results and the procedure if succeeded.
> 
> At least it can serves as a warning to those with said SAS controllers.
> 

How to see if your HDD controler is not supported:

You can check by running the lspci command (lspci -nn) and compare it
with Red Hats list of removed ID's:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/considerations_in_adopting_rhel_8/hardware-enablement_considerations-in-adopting-rhel-8#removed-adapters_hardware-enablement

Here is the list of all (so far created) the DUD's for EL8:
https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/

And here is ElRepo page http://elrepo.org/tiki/DeviceIDs that shows all
the drivers ElRepo has the drivers for, and can create DUD ISO files if
asked via ElRepo bugzila:
https://elrepo.org/bugs/main_page.php


> 
> Solution:
> 
> Reference:
> https://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2019/08/rhel-80-and-support-for-removed-adapters.html
> 
> Here's the procedure:
> 1. prepare a install media and a flash drive, formatted with fat32, and
> copy the DUD iso file into the flash drive:
> https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/dd-mpt3sas-27.101.00.00-1.el8_0.elrepo.iso.
> You can also use tools to create a bootable install flash drive, and use
> it as the DUD drive.
> No need to process the iso; just place it in the drive.
> 
> 2. boot with the install media, and hit tab key in the boot menu, add
> 'inst.dd' to the command line, and then boot it.
> 
> 3. the installer will ask for a DUD before getting into the GUI.
> It will list the block devices it found, find the one with vfat - that's
> your flash drive.
> Then it will list DUD isos it found on the drive, enter the number of
> the entry, then a "checkbox" will appear before the entry.
> Enter the number again so the "checkbox" is checked with a x. Now enter
> "c" to contiune.
> 
> 4. If everything works, you'll have your disks visible to the installer.
> Install it as usual.
> 
> 5. The booting should has no problem, but DO NOT update kernel just yet.
> According to the reference page, the dracut tool in RHEL / CentOS 8.0 is
> bugged and will NOT include the extra driver to the updated initrd. This
> will make the new kernel unbootable.
> Setup network to download the patched dracut tools first, or copy it
> from other computer with flash drive:
> http://elrepo.org/people/akemi/testing/el8/dracut/
> Then install them with:
> rpm -Uvh (downloaded rpm files).
> 
> 6. Now you can update the kernel.
> 
> In my case, I'm using the card in IT mode; the disks are not set into
> RAID with the card, so only the mpt3sas DUD is required.
> If you have a IR mode (RAID via the controller) configuration, you may
> need the megaraid-sas DUD too.
> 
> Original post with solution:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/permalink/10157729112557728/?comment_id=10157729981242728
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Installation Not Recognizing Local Disk

On 10/10/19 3:18 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 9:04 AM Nux!  wrote:
> 
>> There was a recent thread about Redhat's removal of drivers from LSI
>> SAS2, it's probably the problem you are facing.
>> It can be worked around with the help of Elrepo repo.
>>
>>
>> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173682.html
>>
>>
>> https://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2019/08/rhel-80-and-support-for-removed-adapters.html
>>
>>
>> https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/dd-mpt3sas-27.101.00.00-1.el8_0.elrepo.iso
>>
>>
>>
> Is there a utility somewhere to check a running system to see if it is
> going to be supported in RHEL/CentOS 8?

If you read the ElRepo Blog, you would know the following:

You can check by running the lspci command (lspci -nn) and compare it
with Red Hats list of removed ID's:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/considerations_in_adopting_rhel_8/hardware-enablement_considerations-in-adopting-rhel-8#removed-adapters_hardware-enablement

Here is the list of all (so far created) the DUD's for EL8:
https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/

And here is ElRepo page http://elrepo.org/tiki/DeviceIDs that shows all
the drivers ElRepo has the drivers for, and can create DUD ISO files if
asked via ElRepo bugzila:
https://elrepo.org/bugs/main_page.php


> 
> 
> 
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>> On 2019-10-10 14:01, Brewer, Mitchell wrote:
>>> I have an older Dell PowerEdge server with one hard drive, with CentOS
>>> 7 currently installed. I wanted to do a clean install of CentOS 8, but
>>> it doesn't pick up the hard drive. When I click on the destination to
>>> pick the hard drive it only shows the USB drive that I'm installing
>>> from. I checked for a RAID configuration on the server, but there is
>>> only one disk, and no RAID is configured. The disk is controlled by
>>> the PowerEdge Raid Controller (PERC), but when I disable that I lose
>>> the disk completely. I suspect that PERC is part of the problem, but a
>>> CentOS 7 install proceeds normally with PERC enabled. Do you know of a
>>> change from CentOS 7 to 8 that would cause this, or if there is a
>>> workaround? I've searched for several days and haven't found anything
>>> yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Installation Not Recognizing Local Disk

Hi guys.

Somebody should use info from my mail
(https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173682.html) to
create a page in Wiki and maybe even special notice on main Web page, it
looks like next few months people will continually ask for that info as
they go to move to install CentOS 8.

It might be worth thinking over how to provide that info (Wiki) inside
installer for 8.1, 8.2, etc. if no disks are detected.



On 10/10/19 3:04 PM, Nux! wrote:
> There was a recent thread about Redhat's removal of drivers from LSI
> SAS2, it's probably the problem you are facing.
> It can be worked around with the help of Elrepo repo.
> 
> 
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173682.html
> 
> https://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2019/08/rhel-80-and-support-for-removed-adapters.html
> 
> 
> https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/dd-mpt3sas-27.101.00.00-1.el8_0.elrepo.iso
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On 2019-10-10 14:01, Brewer, Mitchell wrote:
>> I have an older Dell PowerEdge server with one hard drive, with CentOS
>> 7 currently installed. I wanted to do a clean install of CentOS 8, but
>> it doesn't pick up the hard drive. When I click on the destination to
>> pick the hard drive it only shows the USB drive that I'm installing
>> from. I checked for a RAID configuration on the server, but there is
>> only one disk, and no RAID is configured. The disk is controlled by
>> the PowerEdge Raid Controller (PERC), but when I disable that I lose
>> the disk completely. I suspect that PERC is part of the problem, but a
>> CentOS 7 install proceeds normally with PERC enabled. Do you know of a
>> change from CentOS 7 to 8 that would cause this, or if there is a
>> workaround? I've searched for several days and haven't found anything
>> yet.
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
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Re: [CentOS] RAID controller recommendations that are supported by RHEL/CentOS 8?

On 10/10/19 11:45 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm currently looking for a RAID controller with BBU/CacheVault and
> while LSI MegaRaid controllers worked well in the past apparently they
> are no longer supported in RHEL 8:
> https://access.redhat.com/discussions/3722151
> 
> Does anybody have recommendations for for hardware controllers with
> cache that should work in both CentOS 7 and 8 out of the box?
> 
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Maybe installing ElRepo driver from driver iso can help:

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Re: [CentOS] Glances for CentOS 8?

2019-10-09 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/8/19 3:16 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 23:08, Wynona Stacy Lockwood  wrote:
>>
>> It seems that glances is not in EPEL for CentOS 8. Is that coming at some
>> point, or has it been deprecated in favor of some other tool?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Because RHEL releases are far apart, packages don't get automatically
> added to newer EPEL releases. Instead, packages are usually added
> after maintainers get a request through bugzilla. This allows the
> packager know that the software is needed and also to see if they have
> time to support another branch.
> 
> I don't see the tool being deprecated in Fedora so it should be possible.
> 
> As a Halloween present I have added it to my temp repo:
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/smooge/not-yet-in-epel8/packages/.
> These packages are as is.
> 
> 
> 
> 

It whould be nice if there was repo in CentOS called "Unsuported" or
something similar, where you would move packages CentOS devs create for
personal usage (in copr), so they are all in one place if they are
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Re: [CentOS] Question about CentOS Stream OS

2019-10-06 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/5/19 11:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
>> In the future new features and upgrades will appear in Stream as a sort
>> of rolling release and it will form the basis of future RHEL releases
>> (and subsequently CentOS releases). It will also be the place for
>> community input into RHEL/CentOS.  Think of it as halfway between the
>> cutting edge Fedora and the stable RHEL releases.
> 
> Sometimes the easiest explanation is too easy. :)
> 
> CentOS Stream won't be getting new releases of software that isn't intended
> to go into a RHEL minor release (like 8.2). It'll just be getting those
> changes sooner (and with the possibility of updates, revisions, and even
> rollbacks before the RHEL minor release). It will be changing daily, so it's
> less stable in that sense, but the net change over six months will be the
> same as what can be expected in a RHEL minor update, and I don't think the
> policies for that are changing.
> 
> That's CentOS Stream, at least. But I think there's room for a lot more
> CentOS/Fedora collaboration, where for example we use bits from CentOS
> Stream to provide longer lifecycle for some packages, or use bits from the
> Fedora collection —  possibly through Fedora EPEL — to provide faster
> alternatives for RHEL and the CentOS traditional rebuild.
> 

It would have to be something other then CentOS Stream. Maybe CentOS
gets some software streams/modules where you can choose Firefox 68 over
60, but it would have to come from EPEL I am guesing, with CentOS only
providing infrastructure for this change. But I somehow doubt it will go
that way, CentOS is ment as only rebuld of RHEL.

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Re: [CentOS] How to add an application icon?

2019-10-06 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/5/19 9:14 PM, Александр Кириллов wrote:
> ... 
> Finally. ln -s doesn't work. cp and then rightclick on the icon and select
> "Allow Launching". Easy as pie. I develop and do some admin work on Linux
> servers for some 20 years but GNOME 3 still baffles me. Thanks guys.

I use MATE exclusively. It is a GNOME 2 redezined for Gnome 3 base or
something like that. It has ALL you need to work as fast as you can, you
can even see all your icons in traybar so you can see instantly if you
have messages or mail waiting for you, with just a eyeball movement
without touching the mouse. For CentOS 7.7  it is in EPEL, we are still
waiting for CentOS 8 rebuilt (from Fedora 28).

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Re: [CentOS] Question about CentOS Stream OS

2019-10-05 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/5/19 3:00 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am referring to https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSStream 
> and
> i am not sure if i understand it correctly, Is it a separate CentOS
> distribution which is similar to
> CentOS-8 (1905)?
> 
> Thanks in advance and i look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kaushal

I just wrote this for official CentOS Facebook group:

CentOS Stream is/will be work in progres to get new minor version. With
CentOS 8.0, CentOS Stream will be continually changed to reach packages
to be put into RHEL 8.1 (and after rebuilt CentOS 8.1). What Red Hat did
in-house to prepare new minor version (8.1, 8.2, 8.3, ...) now will be
transparent so that developers using CentOS and RHEL as platform for
their software can prepare their own software before new RHEL minor
version is released. EPEL, ElRepo, various SiG's will prepare needed
changes in preparation for new RHEL minor version.

So I do not advise use of CentOS Stream for production, better look at
it as a Beta -in-progress.

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Re: [CentOS] Differences between CentOS 7.x and CentOS 8.x OS

2019-10-05 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/5/19 3:14 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
> On 10/4/19 6:59 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 04:52:28PM -0600, David G. Miller wrote:
>>> On 10/3/19 1:37 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>>> On 10/3/19 5:49 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will appreciate it if someone can help me understand the differences
>>>>> between CentOS 7.x and CentOS 8.x OS. I look forward to hearing
>>>>> from you
>>>>> and thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>> In short, CentOS 7.x is based on Fedora 19 while CentOS 8 is based on
>>>> Fedora 28. Most of what is in those Fedora's is also in coresponding
>>>> CentOS version. Fedora's might be much easier to compare.
>> 
>>
>>> This sort of cuts across two discussion threads but I found this one
>>> first.  Silly question: has anyone tried using the Mate or Xfce
>>> Fedora 28 spins as package sources with CentOS 8?
>> I think someone did post recently that he took Mate from F28
>> and with some judicious tweaking of the spec file got it built
>> and working on C8. Sorry, I have no details.
>>
>>
> Hopefully, the perpetrator will 'fess up and provide the details.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 

"It is I, Leclerc"

Here is what I did to have working MATE from Fedora 28 repositories (did
not recompile anything):

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-September/173533.html

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Re: [CentOS] USB ISO for CentOS 8

On 10/4/19 5:30 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
> I did the dd of the ISO to a 16G USB device.
> 
> the second partition is FAT so I can edit it - I want to make a custom menu
> entry.
> I edited the grub.cfg - but that did not work - my menu option does not
> show.

If you boot via UEFI, you need to edit differnt grub.cfg,
EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg not isolinux/grub.cfg

> 
> Then I think I need to change BOOT.cfg and generate the grub.cfg - but I
> dont know
> in this case how to generate for the USB device.
> 
> What command do I use for that ?
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 5:55 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 10/4/19 11:39 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> ...
> I've kludged together a solution for those times here by using the NAT
> connection, but then running an OpenVPN client on the guest to an
> OpenVPN server with layer-2 adjacency to those sorts of devices.  That
> has the added bonus of letting those layer-2 services work even from
> off-site (part of the reason I use LUKS!).  I use static addresses in
> the OpenVPN setup as well, allowing controlled access to certain
> resources (like the control interface addresses and ports to our two
> 26-meter radio telescopes).

I also have OpenVPN server (on Mikrotik router in our office) and
OpenVPN client in Windows VM and I use it in the same maner as you do :-)

> 
> 
>> If this with NetworkManager-config-server package works, I can at most
>> times (if I want) plug a LAN to my laptop and be happy.
> 
> 
> I am interested in what you find!
> 
> 
>... 


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 5:27 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 10/4/19 11:02 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> ...
>> It is OK if your KVM host is on LAN cable that never is disconnected
>> or power goes down. But I have a laptop I use first at work where I
>> use LAN and then at home where I use WLAN only, and suspending laptop
>> is same as disconnecting LAN, bridge is disabled and KVM bridged
>> network unhooked, and you can never reinitialize it without at least
>> restarting kvm, and full treatmant is shuting down VM, restarting NM
>> then network then starting VM again... So I just shutdown VM and
>> laptop and boot everey itme I move. Maybe I can change this behavior now. 
> 
> You and I have nearly identical use cases, interestingly enough.  My
> laptop that I'm using right now to type this is my development machine
> for a number of KVM things I do in the data center as well. Since I run
> it docked with ethernet on my desk, but not docked and on WiFi at home,
> I've had to do two things:
> 1.) A real shutdown when I leave work.  For some reason I've never be a
> fan of suspend/hibernate, and since I use LUKS I'd rather not leave the
> volume unlocked as it would be in a suspend/hibernate scenario;
> 2.) NAT-connected VMs in development, since I've never been able to get
> bridging to work properly over wireless (specification says it can't
> work, and I think that's true in practice, but I always reserve the
> right to be wrong!).

I have VM in NAT mode mostly these days, but sometimes I need bridged
network to recognize some hardware on the network, Mikrotik WiFi routers
or printers so I need ability to go to bridge.

If this with NetworkManager-config-server package works, I can at most
times (if I want) plug a LAN to my laptop and be happy. I do not use
LUKS so suspend until I get home 10 minutes later is ok.

> 
> My laptop is at least as powerful as most of our servers, and it works
> great for development purposes.

I have Dell Vostro 15 with Core i7,  12GB RAM and 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 4:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 10:41, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2019-10-04 08:03, Chris Adams wrote:
>>> Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic  said:
>>>> Bridge for VM's is main reason I hate NM.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> My impression is younger generation doesn't value rules that programmers
>> were following 2-3 decades ago. One of which is:
>>
> 
> It is the same evolution you see in other industries. Auto mechanics
> constantly complain about how the newer generation is 'dumber' for not
> knowing the beauty of a vehicle that the mechanic had when they were
> in their teens. [Of course they also rail on the fact that their
> grandparents car was a complete junk that was too simple to work.]
> Most of the tools we had 30 years ago in computers are like working on
> a Model T era vehicle. They allowed for a lot of configuration choices
> and fine tuning but they also were limited vastly in other ways. You
> can't run a fleet of 1000 Model TT trucks made in 1923 as well as you
> could 1000 1933 trucks. You ended up losing some of the knowledge of
> hand-crafting your own gears but you got the ability to go faster,
> carry heavier loads and better gas mileage without working as hard at
> getting a mile out of a quart.
> 
> The transmissions of the 1933 were considered 'automatic' compared to
> some 1912 vehicles.. even if you had a clutch because you no longer
> had to get out and turn something to make it go in reverse. The
> 'truly' automatic transmissions of the 1950's were horrible and it
> wasn't until the 1970's where they became 'liveable'. Today trying to
> find a real stick shift is almost impossible as you find out that the
> most are really talking to a computer which does the shifting when it
> decides is optimal.

In Europe most cars are still stick, around 80%.


> 
> As that happens the place where a programmer makes changes goes higher
> and higher. They no longer see a system by itself but see 10,000 nodes
> sitting in some cloud. They really could care less if 10% of them drop
> off because there is a tool which is going ot bring 1000 back online
> when that happens. However they may still be worrying about making a
> change 'low' level to them. It is just light years above where those
> of us with only 10 or a 100 systems can dream about.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 4:42 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 10/4/19 10:00 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> On 10/4/19 3:03 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
>>> ...
>>> See the NetworkManager-config-server package. 
>> Ahh, thanks. I was wondering about it but never investigated.
> H.
> Description :
> This adds a NetworkManager configuration file to make it behave more
> like the old "network" service. In particular, it stops NetworkManager
> from automatically running DHCP on unconfigured ethernet devices, and
> allows connections with static IP addresses to be brought up even on
> ethernet devices with no carrier.
> 
> This package is intended to be installed by default for server
> deployments.
> ++
> Well, learn something new every day nice.  Time to learn a bit more
> about what it will do, and see about deploying to our KVM hosts. 
> I've not had the bridged network issues some seem to have been plagued
> with, and I have several KVM hosts with bridged networking (with
> multiple VLANs) using NetworkManager (using nmtui to configure a bridge
> isn't hard). I decided to configure it that way just ot see how easy or
> hard it was to do with NM, and to test its stability, and after passing
> testing under load I popped it into production, running a few Windows 7
> guests and a couple of CentOS 7 guests.

It is OK if your KVM host is on LAN cable that never is disconnected or
power goes down.
But I have a laptop I use first at work where I use LAN and then at home
where I use WLAN only, and suspending laptop is same as disconnecting
LAN, bridge is disabled and KVM bridged network unhooked, and you can
never reinitialize it without at least restarting kvm, and full
treatmant is shuting down VM, restarting NM then network then starting
VM again... So I just shutdown VM and laptop and boot everey itme I
move. Maybe I can change this behavior now.


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 3:03 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic  said:
>> Bridge for VM's is main reason I hate NM. I now mess with both NM and
>> br0 controled by network because I use Windows VM on my laptop. As soon
>> as you disconnect LAN cable your eth and bridge connection are gone and
>> stupid KVM can not recover and reconnect to newly activated bridge when
>> you return LAN cable, even only a second later...
> 
> See the NetworkManager-config-server package.
> 
Ahh, thanks. I was wondering about it but never investigated.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 2:27 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:26 AM Jim Perrin  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/19 2:42 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
>>> I have need to use the old network-scripts and not NetworkManager.
>>
>> Why? I'd like to understand more about the use case where this is a
>> requirement.
>>
>>
>>
> One example we have is qemu virtual machine hosts where setting up the
> bridge in the ifcfg scripts is easier and avoiding NetworkManager messing
> things up in a non-intuitive way is critical.
> 
> Also, we have 150+ machines with fixed IP addresses, always-on connections,
> and no wireless. Having NetworkManager do seemingly random things is not
> desirable.
> 
> FWIW we disable NetworkManager with systemctl in our potinstall kickstart
> scripts and it seems to do what we want.
> 

+1

Bridge for VM's is main reason I hate NM. I now mess with both NM and
br0 controled by network because I use Windows VM on my laptop. As soon
as you disconnect LAN cable your eth and bridge connection are gone and
stupid KVM can not recover and reconnect to newly activated bridge when
you return LAN cable, even only a second later...

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/4/19 2:08 PM, Mike Litoris via CentOS wrote:
> On 10/4/19 12:27 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: Why? I'd like to understand more 
> about the use case where this is a requirement.I'd say for the sake of 
> simplicity...Why complicate things with NM when you only need to set an IP 
> ?The ifconfig files were great.Why is the choice, to use or not to use NM, 
> not left the en end user ?That is the question...
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Almost all use Network Manager because it can be context/network
sensitive and is tied to systemd along with Firewald.

I do not like NM, but it is here to stay.

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Re: [CentOS] Keyboard backlight fails with recent kernels

On 10/3/19 10:24 PM, Rob Kampen wrote:
> I do not use my laptop often, normally my better half has possession and
> use of it.
> 
> It is a late 2011 ASUS ROG G73S which performs very well.
> 
> The keyboard backlight was an issue initially under CentOS6, but the
> kind folks at elrepo found the missing bits in a more recent kernel and
> created a package to add them to the older CentOS6 kernel.
> 
> An upgrade to CentOS7 went without a hitch and the keyboard lighting has
> worked fine.
> 
> Recently I sat infront of the machine and couldn't see the keys - no
> backlight.
> 
> A number of reboots later I have found that the latest kernel that I
> have on the machine, that works okay is 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64
> 
> 3.10.0-957.21.2.el7 and 3.10.0-957.27.2.el7 both fail to load/activate
> the driver for the keyboard.
> 
> Would someone with the requisite knowledge please advise what I need to do.
> 
> Is this a case for using the CentOSplus kernel or do I need to find and
> load a driver or two? or do I need to request the elrepo folk to make a
> suitable package.
> 

I propose following:
Install and test with latest centosplus kernel (I use them exclusively
because all drivers are enabled and some stuff is added/enabled that
RHEL disables for speed since they do not not need them).

After you test centosplus kernel, not matter the outcome, file a bug
report with all the details at https://bugs.centos.org so devs can
triage the problem.




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

On 10/4/19 12:28 AM, Allan wrote:
> På Thu, 3 Oct 2019 07:38:05 -0500
> Valeri Galtsev
>  skrev:
>>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 6:24 AM, Günther J. Niederwimmer
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: Intel Corporation
>>> C602 chipset 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit [8086:1d6b] (rev 06)?
>>>
>>> what is the Problem with this chipset and why it is no longer
>>> supported ?? 
>>
>> My impression is that you have it set to “RAID” instead of “AHCI” in
>> BIOS. Switch in BIOS its operation to AHCI, you will see attached
>> drives. Configure these drives as software RAID.
> 
> Of course he set it to RAID. He wouldn't be able to boot his raid, if he
> set it to AHCI. If set to AHCI, it would require an extra disk to boot
> the system.
> 
>> As a matter of fact neither of fake RAID cards were ever supported by
>> systems I know of (excluding MS Windows) as RAID cards. That is where
>> jargon “fake RAID” widely used by Linux Folks comes from.
> 
> Really ? You have really never heard of this small company called Intel,
> whos chipset have been able to boot Linux in RAID mode for a very long
> time ?
> 
>> System board manufacturers (motherboard is common jargon for system
>> board for over 20 years) share their part in the spreading of fake
>> RAID chips. Fake RAID chip is cheap (pun intended), so adding it to
>> system board does not increase its cost much, but increases it
>> apparent value in eyer of uninformed (I should say ignorant) mass
>> consumer. It is probably time to call garbage (fake RAID) garbage and
>> not expect from it to behave as real RAID (hardware RAID), and
>> definitely not put blame on the system for garbage hardware being
>> garbage hardware.
> 
> You are right, a BIOS chip is really very cheap, and that is all that
> the chipset needs to be able to boot in RAID mode on the existing AHCI
> controllers. There is no raid "card" in these systems - aka no special
> extra raid cpu to control anything.
> All the RAID BIOS does is boot the system to load GRUB ( and maybe GRUB
> uses the same BIOS INT13H service to load the kernel).
> After that, kernel drivers take over - and that is MDADM doing the rest
> of the job, as Intel RAID bios is MDADM compatible.>
> Call it FAKE raid, call it BIOS raid or whatever - it is in fact just a
> Linux software mdadm raid - with the added ability to boot directly from
> the BIOS. I don't see any reason to call this a bad solution or
> unstable in any way more than what mdadm is.

You are wrong. Mdraid (mdadm is only a tool for mdraid) is SOFTWARE
RAID, to create RAID system of regular or AHCI chipset. No part of
mdraid uses BIOS, it is all in kernel/driver.

What you described is actually "dmraid" (discover, configure and
activate software (ATA)RAID ). Dmraid is just an interface for fakeRAID
BIOS to work, and bugs in fakeRAID BIOSes (for which firmare updates
barely exist) are the reason (some) fakeRAID chipsets are removed from
kernel.



> 
> I have myself a small desktop/server system here running for almost 7
> years according to SMART on my disks - booting from such a Intel Z77
> chipset to a mdadm raid 5.
> 
> I do run Fedora on this system as RH most likely have removed my chipset
> from Centos 8 too.
> 
>   Allan.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

On 10/3/19 9:57 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019, Jerry Geis wrote:
> 
>>>> systemctl status network
>>
>>
>> AT BOOT:
>> ● network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
>>   Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network; generated)
>>   Active: inactive (dead)
>>     Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
>>
>> After: service network restart
>> ● network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
>>   Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network; generated)
>>   Active: active (running) since Thu 2019-10-03 15:12:05 EDT; 7s ago
>>     Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
>>  Process: 7755 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/network start (code=exited,
>> status=0/SUCCESS)
>>    Tasks: 1 (limit: 24034)
>>   Memory: 8.7M
>>   CGroup: /system.slice/network.service
>>   └─7940 /sbin/dhclient -1 -q -lf
>> /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-6ada23ed-d1ad-4f37-935c-86163fe61e7b-eth0.lease
>>
>> -pf /run/dhclient-eth0.pid eth0
>>
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: WARN  :
>> [network]
>> 'network-scripts' will be removed in one of the next major releases of
>> RHEL.
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: WARN  :
>> [network]
>> It is advised to switch to 'NetworkManager' instead for network
>> management.
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: [46B blob data]
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: Bringing up
>> interface
>> eth0:
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain dhclient[7907]: DHCPREQUEST on eth0
>> to 255.255.255.255 port 67 (xid=0x75ae6376)
>> Oct 03 15:12:02 localhost.localdomain dhclient[7907]: DHCPACK from
>> 10.0.2.2
>> (xid=0x75ae6376)
>> Oct 03 15:12:04 localhost.localdomain dhclient[7907]: bound to
>> 10.0.2.15 --
>> renewal in 34365 seconds.
>> Oct 03 15:12:04 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: Determining IP
>> information for eth0... done.
>> Oct 03 15:12:04 localhost.localdomain network[7755]: [13B blob data]
>> Oct 03 15:12:05 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started LSB: Bring
>> up/down networking.
>>
>> Contents of ifcfg-eth0
>> # Generated by parse-kickstart
>> TYPE="Ethernet"
>> DEVICE="eth0"
>> UUID="6ada23ed-d1ad-4f37-935c-86163fe61e7b"
>> ONBOOT="yes"
>> BOOTPROTO="dhcp"
>> IPV6INIT="yes"
>>
>>
>> Why is it not starting at boot ?
> 
> I'd take a look at what NetworkManager thinks about it:
> 
>   nmicli connection show eth0 | grep autoconnect:
> 
> If it's not set to 'yes', then you'll want to do so:
> 
>   nmcli connection modify eth0 connection.autoconnect yes
> 
> As to the 'why,' I don't know. Here's the official explanation:
> 
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html-single/configuring_and_managing_networking/index#configuring-an-interface-with-static-network-settings-using-ifcfg-files_configuring-ip-networking-with-ifcfg-files
> 
> 

In ifcfg-eth0 you need:
NM_CONTROLED=NO

and/or to disable NetworkManager:

systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
systemctl disable NetworkManager.service

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Re: [CentOS] Differences between CentOS 7.x and CentOS 8.x OS

On 10/3/19 5:49 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I will appreciate it if someone can help me understand the differences
> between CentOS 7.x and CentOS 8.x OS. I look forward to hearing from you
> and thanks in advance.
> 

In short, CentOS 7.x is based on Fedora 19 while CentOS 8 is based on
Fedora 28. Most of what is in those Fedora's is also in coresponding
CentOS version. Fedora's might be much easier to compare.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 as guest

On 10/3/19 6:41 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
> Hi all ,
> 
> I am running C7, and C8 as guest at this time. I noticed that when right
> click on desktop, and select display on C8 - that the largest resolution I
> get is 1080p, I am running a 4K monitor - is there a way to get higher
> resolution in the Guest.

It might depend on what used graphic card driver supports. Try to find
that out and maybe use different option?

> 
> I am running with qemu 2.0.0
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

On 10/3/19 1:24 PM, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2019, 01:10:58 CEST schrieb Akemi Yagi:
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:35 PM Günther J. Niederwimmer  
> wrote:
>>> This Board have 2 Controller!°
>>> 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset
>>> SATA
>>> RAID Controller (rev 06)
>>>
>>> On this controller all drives are found and it is possible to create a
>>> Raid1!
>>>
>>> 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: Intel Corporation C602 chipset
>>> 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit (rev 06)
>>>
>>> But on this Contoller NO drives found?
>>
>> If you provide the device ID pairing [:] for the one that is
>> not working, it will become clear. Can you show us the output from:
>>
>> lspci -nn
>>
>> Is it this one?
>>
>> Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: Intel Corporation C602 chipset
>> 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit [8086:1d6b]
>>
>> If so, the above device ID [8086:1d6b] is not supported in RHEL/CentOS
>> 8, unfortunately.
> 
> ??
> Yes, I Have :-(
> 
> 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: Intel Corporation C602 
> chipset 
> 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit [8086:1d6b] (rev 06)?
>  
> what is the Problem with this chipset and why it is no longer supported ??

https://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2019/08/rhel-80-and-support-for-removed-adapters.html


> 
> This Board is 4 year old and now???
> 
> I mean it is in many server boards.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

2019-10-02 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/2/19 9:47 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic  wrote:
>> Richard on CentOS-devel mailing list has similar problem but suggests it
>> might be issue only with CentOS, he says he had to add the kernel line
>> to make it work.
>> Name of the tread is:
>> [CentOS-devel] Booting CentOS 8 in a VM - can't find the disk
> 
> 
> If you’re talking about this:
> 
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2019-October/017882.html 
> <https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2019-October/017882.html>
> 
> … then I think it’s unlikely to be related to missing drivers for a RAID 
> controller on a SuperMicro system.
> 

I saw it uses Intel hdd controler so I thought it could be similar.

Here is solution for instaling CentOS 8 on Dell T610 with SAS controler
(copied from Mike Chan):

Intro:

** Keyword: CentOS 8 LSI SAS2
Trying CentOS 8 on an old machine (Dell T610) but the installer can't
find disks for installation.

It turns out that the RH removed the support for LSI SAS2 controllers in
the mpt3sas driver.

I've found some articles about this, and is trying to install with
elrepo-provided DUD (driver update disk).

Will update the results and the procedure if succeeded.

At least it can serves as a warning to those with said SAS controllers.

Solution:

Reference:
https://elrepoproject.blogspot.com/2019/08/rhel-80-and-support-for-removed-adapters.html

Here's the procedure:
1. prepare a install media and a flash drive, formatted with fat32, and
copy the DUD iso file into the flash drive:
https://elrepo.org/linux/dud/el8/x86_64/dd-mpt3sas-27.101.00.00-1.el8_0.elrepo.iso.
You can also use tools to create a bootable install flash drive, and use
it as the DUD drive.
No need to process the iso; just place it in the drive.

2. boot with the install media, and hit tab key in the boot menu, add
'inst.dd' to the command line, and then boot it.

3. the installer will ask for a DUD before getting into the GUI.
It will list the block devices it found, find the one with vfat - that's
your flash drive.
Then it will list DUD isos it found on the drive, enter the number of
the entry, then a "checkbox" will appear before the entry.
Enter the number again so the "checkbox" is checked with a x. Now enter
"c" to contiune.

4. If everything works, you'll have your disks visible to the installer.
Install it as usual.

5. The booting should has no problem, but DO NOT update kernel just yet.
According to the reference page, the dracut tool in RHEL / CentOS 8.0 is
bugged and will NOT include the extra driver to the updated initrd. This
will make the new kernel unbootable.
Setup network to download the patched dracut tools first, or copy it
from other computer with flash drive:
http://elrepo.org/people/akemi/testing/el8/dracut/
Then install them with:
rpm -Uvh (downloaded rpm files).

6. Now you can update the kernel.

In my case, I'm using the card in IT mode; the disks are not set into
RAID with the card, so only the mpt3sas DUD is required.
If you have a IR mode (RAID via the controller) configuration, you may
need the megaraid-sas DUD too.

Original post with solution:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/permalink/10157729112557728/?comment_id=10157729981242728

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

2019-10-02 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 10/2/19 9:27 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 15:14, Günther J. Niederwimmer  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is it a Plan to correct the Broken mdadm and or driver for Intel Chipset 
>> C602, 
>> my Server SuperMicro Board X9SRi-F have a Problem with the new C8 or RH8 ?
> 
> Is there a bug filed on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ yet?  Have you submitted 
> the errors you encountered  anywhere?

Richard on CentOS-devel mailing list has similar problem but suggests it
might be issue only with CentOS, he says he had to add the kernel line
to make it work.
Name of the tread is:
 [CentOS-devel] Booting CentOS 8 in a VM - can't find the disk

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-09-30 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/30/19 8:01 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 08:02 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>
>> I managed to install F28 MATE packages to CentOS 8, so all is needed
>> is
>> to recompile those in EPEL.
> 
> I too am a solid fan of MATE. F28 had v1.16. F30 has the latest v1.22.
> Is there any reason I should not try the latest? Perhaps some
> dependencies not available in C8?

I really do not know. It was written RHEL 8 was based on fedora 28/29,
so those packages should be closest to EL8. I had no time to play with
packages from newer Fedoras, and I even did not know about difference in
versions because all I evev use on ANY Linux PC is to install latest
CentOS, never ever any other distro. I did fix some Ubuntu's but never
installed any.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 broken mdadm Raid10

2019-09-30 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/30/19 4:39 PM, Günther J. Niederwimmer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On my system with a Intel SCU Controller and a Raid 10 System it is not 
> possible to install this Raid10. I have tested this with a CentOS 7 and 
> Opensuse all found my Raid but with CentOS 8 this is broken?
> 
> I found on start the Installation a Error from mdadm that ist all.

You should provide that error so devs can look at it.

> 
> Now I download and Test the Stream iso?
> 
> and hope . 
> 

I doubt because Stream is basically the same with regular CentOS at this
point in time.

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Re: [CentOS] Missing repodata/ for CentOS 8 on

2019-09-29 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/27/19 12:19 PM, Yichun Zhang wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I've noted that the CentOS 8 debuginfo repo lacks the repodata/ directory:
> 
> http://debuginfo.centos.org/8/x86_64/
> 
> Did the maintainers forget to upload it? It does have all the .rpm
> files under the Packages/ sub-directory though:
> 
> http://debuginfo.centos.org/8/x86_64/Packages/
> 
> And no repodata/ there either.
> 

It is said it will be populated in next several days, they have a
schedule, probably concerning bandwidth.

> Also, I've noted the 8-stream/ directory which is empty. Is it
> something we are supposed to use too?
> 

CentOS Stream is project that is just starting. At this time almost all
packages are same as in regular CentOS. I am guessing it will be
populated in due time, after everything else is uploaded.

> Thanks for your help!
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8.0 1905 is now available for download

2019-09-27 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/27/19 7:42 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> CentOS 8.0 1905 is using Linux Kernel 4.18? Not Linux Kernel 5.x?

RHEL/CentOS 8 is created from Fedora 28/29 packages and kernel, but Red
Hat does backport important drivers to it's kernel. RHEL/CentOS kernel
is not directly comparable to vanila kernel due to many, many changes.

You should read up on many things it seams. You can start with my FB
post where almost all resources are listed along with some tips:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/permalink/10151629616222728/

And please stop SPAM-ing the list. There is no need to thank everyone
that posted anything you like, keep it moderated, becuse everyone on
this list receive your mails unnecessarily. If you want to thank
someone, you can sent them a private/direct message, not via the list.
many will be thankful.

If you do not know something, like "SCL", "orphaned packages", etc.,
please first search on the net (Google it) with for example "linux
CentOS SCL" and then only ask for further clarifications. No one has
time to explain everything in detail to you, you need to learn the
basics, research enything that interests you and only then ask specific
questions.

Thank you for understanding.

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>> Already bummed that the 4.18 kernel is too old for /proc/pressure :(
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8.0 1905 is now available for download

2019-09-27 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/27/19 7:37 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> I didn't know there are problems with installing CentOS 8.0 with
> GNOME. I am going to install CentOS 8.0 as a virtual machine/guest
> with Oracle VirtualBox.

It is not so much issue with GNOME as with driver for VMware
video/graphics "device". vga=819 and other force desired screen
resolution and color depth.

> 
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 19:53, Randal, Phil  
> wrote:
>>
>> I feel your pain re Gnome.
>>
>> Installing CentOS 8 on a VMware VM which uses BIOS boot mode using the 
>> graphical installer results in an installer gui which is chopped off at the 
>> right.
>>
>> Workaround is to select the install option, hit the tab key, and append 
>> vga=819 and hit F10, which starts the graphical installer on a larger 
>> virtual display.
>>
>> Or, better still, use EFI boot mode for your VM, and it all just works.
>>
>> Make sure that the VMware virtual VGA adapter has enough RAM, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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>>
>> On 24/09/2019 12:16, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>>> Good evening from Singapore,
>>>
>>> Anybody downloaded, installed, and tried CentOS 8.0 1905 yet?
>>>
>>> Download link from CentOS download mirror near to Singapore:
>>>
>>> http://mirror.vodien.com/centos/8.0.1905/isos/x86_64/CentOS-8-x86_64-1
>>> 905-dvd1.iso
>>>
>>> The DVD ISO filesize is 6.6 GB.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-09-26 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 9/26/19 2:00 AM, Earl Ramirez wrote:
>>
>> If you want it ... package and build it when building on 8 becomes
>> available via CBS to SIGs.  Should be early next week.
> With the new initiative CentOS and Fedora Stream, wouldn't it be easier
> collaborate with Fedora SIGs to bring an updated version of Mate to
> CentOS

I managed to install F28 MATE packages to CentOS 8, so all is needed is
to recompile those in EPEL.

> 
>> and build whatever you want to build.  The question is ,, is someone
>> going to do it.
> 
> I am not an expert here, I am very happy with GNOME but if there is
> anyone that will like to kick off the alternate desktop count me in. 
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Re: [CentOS] USB thumb drive for CentOS 7.7 to install

On 9/25/19 8:46 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
> I took the "everything" iso and did the dd command to my 16G thumb drive.
> 
> I booted and entered my usual ks=http://xxx on the boot line. All good so
> far.
> It gets my kickstart file and installation begins.
> At some point it says
> 
> Installing libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts (492/1948)
> Retrying download of 1:libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-5.3.6.1-21.el7.norarch
> 
> then after 10 retries it fails.
> 
> I have verfied this file is on my USB disk, I have re-downloaded from
> different mirror, the Everything file, dd that to my USB disk, tried the
> re-install and still the error.
> 
> I don't know what to try next.

Have you checked the hash of your ISO, if it is downloaded correctly?


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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

On 9/24/19 10:55 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:41, Frank Cox  wrote:
>>
>> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any update on 
>> the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released?
>>
>> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack of Mate 
>> is kind of  a showstopper for me at the moment.
>>
> 
> Nothing has changed since the September 16 answer I gave:
> 
> This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current
> status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a
> less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the
> only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and
> will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do
> modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make
> Mate/Cinnamon/etc available.

As of now, I have a working MATE DM on CentOS 8. It's a hack though, I
used Fedora repositories. But that means compiling MATE in EPEL should
be straightforward, just recompile Fedora 28 packages.

I used Fedora 28 repo file  and Fedora 28 GPG keys (links are bellow),
unpacked then to proper directory and in Fedora repo files I changed
"$releasever" to "28".
I also installed yum-plugin-priorities and in all CentOS repo's added
"priority=1" and in all Fedora repos added "priority=2".

Then I ran following commands (something like this, I experimented some):

yum install python2-six
yum install mate* -x mate*devel* -x mate-menu
yum groupinstall "MATE" --skip-broken
yum groupinstall "MATE Desktop" --skip-broken
echo "exec /usr/bin/mate-session" >> ~/.xinitrc
reboot
and then selected MATE in login screen.

Links to rpm's:
https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/archive.fedoraproject.org/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/f/fedora-repos-28-1.noarch.rpm
and
https://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/archive.fedoraproject.org/fedora/linux/releases/28/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/f/fedora-gpg-keys-28-1.noarch.rpm

List of installed packages from Fedora 28: https://pastebin.com/VXL03Uqj

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

On 9/25/19 12:22 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 25/09/2019 à 08:18, Ljubomir Ljubojevic a écrit :
>> Why do you need "every major and minor desktop environment under the 
>> sun"? I run CentOS desktops/laptops since 5.3 and even rebuilt 70+ 
>> packages for it, even Skype rpm.
>>
>> All I need for work that feeds me is one good work environment and
>> that is MATE.
> 
> In France we call this "voir midi à sa porte". See noon at your door.
> 
> I'm a die-hard KDE user, but over the years, I've probably used every
> DE/WM under the sun (my first one was WindowMaker on Slackware 7.1).
> 
> Discussing "best DE/WMs" is probably as pointless an exercise as
> discussing the respective merits of soccer clubs or motorcycle brands.

Ohh, I am not openig that can of worms :-)
Just like Windows Clasic on Windows 200/XP/7, I liked Gnome 2 on Linux,
and logical move, closest thing after Gnome 2 was dropped, was MATE.
Shiny icons, transparency and smooth menu's are things I disable because
they distract me from actual work. Any DM that fits my work demands I
will use without complaining.


> 
> If you like Cinnamon, your best bet is probably Mint. On the other hand,
> KDE users are probably better off using OpenSUSE or Neon.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

On 9/25/19 12:06 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> But on the desktop, I've switched to OpenSUSE Leap, and I'm a happy
> camper now. I can highly recommend it. Sports every major and minor
> desktop environment under the sun, and it's a nice blend of semi-rolling
> releases based on a rock-solid SLES base.
> 
Why do you need "every major and minor desktop environment under the
sun"? I run CentOS desktops/laptops since 5.3 and even rebuilt 70+
packages for it, even Skype rpm.

All I need for work that feeds me is one good work environment and that
is MATE. All tray icons are visible so I can see if message or mail
comes without need to move more then eyeball. And stablity of CentOS
makes it best option even though versions of apps are not latest and
greatest, it is enough they do the job needed.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 partiitioning for reliability

2019-08-01 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 7/19/19 11:57 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> I was just given a Dell R720xd with 160 GB memory and 12x 900 GB drives
> that I plan to deploy as my home mail/file/backup server to replace an
> aging Supermicro server running CentOS 7. Yeah, it's gross overkill for
> that and I expect to tuck most of the drives away for spares.
> 
> How should I RAID and partition this beast for maximum reliability?
> 
> My current C7 system is using 1 TB of 2 TB capacity on the root
> partition (4x 1 TB drives in RAID 10). /boot is 300MB/50GB. Memory and
> swap is 8GB each.

As I read it, 500MB boot will be enough. My CentOS 7 server (with GUI)
without /home uses some 15GB (of 24GB root partition) so anything over
20GB should be enough for root partiton. 8GB SWAP should be enough since
you will not hibernate it.



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[CentOS] Facebook CentOS group close to 15.000 members!

2015-03-22 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

Hi everyone.

I have a pleasure to announce that official CentOS group on Facebook
will reach 15.000 members in next 6-9 days, somewhere just before April
1st :)

Average rate of new members, mostly total newbies, is around 140-180
members per week.

Group's link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/

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Re: [CentOS] Facebook CentOS group close to 15.000 members!

2015-03-22 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 22.03.2015. 19:22, Tim Evans wrote:
 On 03/22/2015 02:19 PM, Always Learning wrote:

 On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 14:14 +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:

 Group's link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/


   Facebook Login
   You must log in to continue.  

 Not open for public reading. Surely Centos is an open and available
 to all philosophy ?  Centos can be down-loaded and installed without
 registering :-)

 This references your everyday FaceBook login.  If you don't have one,
 or aren't logged in, you'll be asked for it.  Nothing to do with the
 FB group.

Yeah, that is login to Facebook but Documents I posted there are
readable even when you are not logged in, like:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/centos/resources-for-the-beginners/10150604562857728
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS - Firefox and Flash

2015-01-28 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 23.01.2015. 14:52, James B. Byrne wrote:
 On Thu, January 22, 2015 12:27, Frank Cox wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 09:36:24AM -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
 If one has already done all that and, following the most recent FF
 update, all that is displayed is a video window with the Flash
 logo/Button in the middle.  And regardless of how many times one
 clicks on said button no video will show or sound will emit, what
 then?
 What firefox plugins do you have installed that might be blocking
 flash?
 I personally don't use flash stuff much, but I have noscript
 installed
 and it makes me either allow javascript or click on the embedded
 flash
 content to view it.  But so far it always seems to work when I
 either
 allow
 javascript on the site or click on the content.
 
 I thought that was the case too.  However, disabling NoScript for
 YouTube does not change the observed behaviour.  It is decidedly odd
 in that the Flash video will not play until one sets the enable html5
 option in YouTube.
 
 One of the artifacts of switching the html5 on in YT is that upon
 returning to the video page the video canvas shows an error message,
 with the 'Try again later' tag.  But simply clicking on the video
 frame a second time starts the video.
 
 I am not sure what is going on.  I have discovered that the same
 approach (switching on html5 in YouTube) has solved this issue for a
 least one of the impacted users.  I will try it on others as the
 occasion permits.
 
 It seems to me likely to be a FF issue at its core.
 
 

I solved that for Firefox 35.x.


I added some symlinks to $HOME/.mozilla/plugins

Here is the list of symlinks:

[drlove@kanc ~]$ cd $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[drlove@kanc plugins]$ readlink -f *
/usr/lib64/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libgnome-shell-browser-plugin.so
/usr/lib64/IcedTeaPlugin.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so

I have not made java work though, but I have 31.x for that if necessary
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[CentOS] Happy New Year!

2014-12-31 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On behalf of the CentOS project I wish you Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!

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Re: [CentOS] Centos7 Annoyances

2014-10-30 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic


On 10/31/2014 01:45 AM, david wrote:

Folks

I'm sure the Centos team has done a yeoman's job getting Centos7 ready,
and that the Redhat team has done marvels in creating rhel7, but here's
a little voice from a personal hobbyist user.

Background:
  ('ve been maintaining several remote servers since Redhat 6 days,
migrating from that to Whitebox, then Centos, and things have been
running as expected including the current version of Centos6.  As an
experiment, I've tried to play with Centos7 on an in-house virtual
machine (VMWare on Win7), and have encountered a collection of
annoyances greater than I've even seen.  Below is a note about them.  If
someone has some elegant solution, I'd love to try, but Centos7 is still
unusable for me.

1:  Firewall changes
  The change in firewall technology forced a complete re-do of my
scripts which maintain firewalls, respond to attacks, etc.  I think I've
programmed my way around the issues, but it wasn't easy.


I used Shorewall on 5.x and 6.x so on 7.x I just disabled firewalld and 
installed shorewall. Btw. I haven't even tried to learn firewalld, to 
confusing and too lite time to waste.




2:  Apache changes
  These were subtle, but again were solved.

3:  Service - systemd
  The change from object-oriented view of service:  (service httpd
restart) to function-oriented (systemctl restart firewall) seems to be
unnecessary, and counter to the way stuff is generally done in the
modern world.  Nonetheless, it was possible to solve that with some
adaptive script programming.


For me service httpd restart works just fine, automatic conversion 
works like a charm. I do get informed what command was run, but it DOES 
it's job.





4) Something with Unknown lvalue 'ControlGroup' in section 'Service'
  I don't know what to do with this.  I constantly get the diagnostic:
[/usr/lib/systemd/system/rtkit-daemon.service:32] Unknown lvalue
'ControlGroup' in section 'Service'
  and attempts to browse the internet for solutions come across barriers
that require some paid subscription to view.  This is currently a
progress-stopper.  The messages I see deal with boinc, which does not
show up on my system using rpm -qa | grep -i boinc.

5) Sendmail is out, postfix is in.
  This is a huge change, since I had lots of scripts that tailored the
Sendmail system for spam protection, dealing with SmartHosts that
required SMTP-AUTH and others required weird configurations, etc.
Whether this is working yet I don't quite know, but it seems the scripts
can accommodate the change.


I have been using Postfix from 5.x. The fact that you chose to use 
obsolete (from Red Hat's point of view) software should be on no one but 
you.




6) Installation
  I have no idea why, when using the net-install, one must explicitly
turn on the network.  It seems unnecessary.

7) Lack of 32-bit support
  I think I understand this.  After all, 32-bit machines may become
unusable when the clock overflows, but isn't that a few years away,
and couldn't some solution be found, even if kludgy?  Some of the 32-bit
hardware was of very high quality, and still runs perfectly.  I'd hate
to spend a few hundred dollars each to replace all those systems.

8) And more


I would add idiotic Gnome 3 that does not have right click menu for 
creating launchers (copying .desktop files from /usr/share/applications? 
works like a charm but you need to create them manually for every 
launcher) and inability to place launchers and icons on top panel as 
infuriating.


Gnome extensions from Tweak Tool are very helpful in making Gnome 3 like 
home. I use about 10 of them. Adding Start Launcher tool is one of them.



  ...



I haven't got a server or desktop running to my satisfaction yet, so I
don't yet know what pitfalls await.  Any advice would be appreciated.

David in San Francisco

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Re: [CentOS] Development Tools install

2014-07-21 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 07/21/2014 02:39 PM, Elias Persson wrote:
 On 2014-07-21 14:16, Mr iQ wrote:
 Hi,

 thanks for the replay.

 Yeah - it doesn't really matter ... from both commands i get the same
 result :

 [c7@localhost ~]$ yum group info -v Development Tools
 [...]
 
 So, the reason yum tells you the group does not have any
 packages to install is because you already have all the
 mandatory and default packages installed.
 
 As for anjuta, it's available in Fedora. That seems to be
 the closest you can get. Other people might be able to tell
 you how to get that working in CentOS; I generally stick to
 Fedora for such things.


Adding Fedora 19 Everything repository with hardcoded $release to 19
can allow Fedora 19 packages to be installed. They seam to work OK for
most part (so far no reports of not working) but CAUTION is naturally
advised.


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Re: [CentOS] screensaver in C7

2014-07-21 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic

On 07/21/2014 07:01 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:51:25AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 On 07/20/2014 03:22 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 I'm at the stage of poking at a C7 install in Vbox, and am struggling to
 figure out how to control the screensaver. there doesn't seem to be a 
 gnome screensaver package (like there was in gnome2), and I can't find
 any installed packages that control it. gconf-editor doesn't have anything
 that looks promising...

 how does one control the screensaver in Gnome 3?

 thanks!


 I think System - Tweak Tool - Power or something like that is where
 you configure Lock.
 
 thanks for the suggestion. but tweak tool doesn't contain (AFAICS)
 anything about blanking the screen (which happens) or the timeout used
 therefore, or about the fact that it also locks the screen. These
 things all used to be done in gnome-screensaver.
 
 this is my own personal workstation, and I'd like it to NOT lock the
 screen when tne screen blanks from a timeout (I probably would not want
 it to work that way at the office), but don't see any way to change that
 setting, wherever it is being set.
 

Google is your friend:

If you go into the Activates then type settings click on the icon
that has a spanner and a screwdriver and says Settings. When it has
opened, click on the the icon that looks like a lock dial and says
Privacy. Now click on the item that says Screen Lock then click on
the toggle switch next the text that says Automatic Screen Lock. Press
the button that says Close, and now the item that says Screen Lock
should have Off next to it.
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/36256/how-do-i-disable-the-gnome-lock-screen/


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Re: [CentOS] Development Tools install

On 07/20/2014 03:19 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 01:24:54AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 On 07/20/2014 01:12 AM, F. Mendez wrote:
 Hello John, very kind of you for your reply.

 However, I did tried groupinstall and it shows error saying that there 
 is none group list of that name. Even after yum grouplist and I see it 
 there. It keeps failing. It only offer a solution: yum group mark 
 install ... which is not the actual command for it to install.

 What may it be?



 El 19/07/2014 06:09 p.m., John R Pierce escribió:
 On 7/19/2014 4:00 PM, F. Mendez wrote:
 I've been looking for information regarding how to install Development
 Tools and Libraries on CentOS 7 but had no luck.

 Would any one be so kind to share how wtih me?
 yum groupinstall Development Tools worked for all previous
 versions.yum grouplist   will list all available groups.




 Have you used  ?
 yum groupinstall Development Tools
 instead of
 yum groupinstall Development Tools
 ??
 
 actually, yum grouplist -v shows it to be Development tools, NOT
 Developmtent Tools. Dunno if it's case sensitive or not, but if it is,
 then the uppercase T would probably prevent it from working.
 
 

Ahh, 1 letter T too many, 'DevelopmTent Tools!

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Re: [CentOS] Development Tools install

On 07/20/2014 10:44 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 On 07/20/2014 03:19 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 01:24:54AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 On 07/20/2014 01:12 AM, F. Mendez wrote:
 Hello John, very kind of you for your reply.

 However, I did tried groupinstall and it shows error saying that there 
 is none group list of that name. Even after yum grouplist and I see it 
 there. It keeps failing. It only offer a solution: yum group mark 
 install ... which is not the actual command for it to install.

 What may it be?



 El 19/07/2014 06:09 p.m., John R Pierce escribió:
 On 7/19/2014 4:00 PM, F. Mendez wrote:
 I've been looking for information regarding how to install Development
 Tools and Libraries on CentOS 7 but had no luck.

 Would any one be so kind to share how wtih me?
 yum groupinstall Development Tools worked for all previous
 versions.yum grouplist   will list all available groups.




 Have you used  ?
 yum groupinstall Development Tools
 instead of
 yum groupinstall Development Tools
 ??

 actually, yum grouplist -v shows it to be Development tools, NOT
 Developmtent Tools. Dunno if it's case sensitive or not, but if it is,
 then the uppercase T would probably prevent it from working.


 
 Ahh, 1 letter T too many, 'DevelopmTent Tools!
 

False alarm. I just checked and OP did not make the error :(

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Re: [CentOS] Development Tools install

On 07/20/2014 02:02 AM, F. Mendez wrote:
 It seems that actually the packages are in the grouplist. But for some 
 unknown reason when I hit:
 
 yum groupinstall Development Tools it shows:
 
 No packages in any requested group available to install or update.
 
 
 
 
 El 19/07/2014 06:30 p.m., Scott Robbins escribió:
 On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 06:12:12PM -0500, F. Mendez wrote:
 Hello John, very kind of you for your reply.

 However, I did tried groupinstall and it shows error saying that there
 is none group list of that name. Even after yum grouplist and I see it
 there. It keeps failing. It only offer a solution: yum group mark
 install ... which is not the actual command for it to install.
 The name probably changed slightly.

 Do yum grouplist -v

 That should show you what's available.


 Although, looking at an install on a VM, it seems that it is still called
 Development Tools.  Maybe you forgot the quotes?

 Or do yum install @development which should also work.


Do you by any chance use local repository (that does not have properly
set comps.xml)?

Also try:
yum clean all


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Re: [CentOS] screensaver in C7

On 07/20/2014 03:22 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
 I'm at the stage of poking at a C7 install in Vbox, and am struggling to
 figure out how to control the screensaver. there doesn't seem to be a 
 gnome screensaver package (like there was in gnome2), and I can't find
 any installed packages that control it. gconf-editor doesn't have anything
 that looks promising...
 
 how does one control the screensaver in Gnome 3?
 
 thanks!
 

I think System - Tweak Tool - Power or something like that is where
you configure Lock.

As for gnome-screensaver package, if you are sure it is not in base
repo, look in EPEL and last stop is Fedora 19 repository, so far most
missing pakcages in CentOS 7 can be installed from Fedora 19 repository:

[fedora]
name=Fedora 19 – $basearch
#baseurl=http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/19/Everything/$basearch/os/
mirrorlist=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-19arch=$basearch
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
priority=10
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-19-$basearch

[fedora-updates]
name=Fedora 19 – $basearch – Updates
#baseurl=http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/19/$basearch/
mirrorlist=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f19arch=$basearch
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
priority=10
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-19-$basearch


You can also check nux-desktop repository http://li.nux.ro/repos.html


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, not systemd questions

On 07/09/2014 10:19 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
 On 07/09/2014 02:48 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us
 wrote:
 Interesting... can I do that with the preupgrade from 6.5? And I *rarely*
 see grub updated
 
 I'm not familiar with preupgrade, but I would guess that this method
 wouldn't work.  (Actually I'd be somewhat surprised if it were possible
 to do an in-place upgrade from CentOS 6 to CentOS 7 and get a properly
 functioning system; the differences between the two are so large.)
 
 I pretty much always do side-by-side installs and then move data and
 configurations over.
 

Configs from GRUB and GRUB2 can coexist in same /boot tree, I managed to
install GRUB2 over GRUB and configs of GRUB were NOT affected.
Reinstalling GRUB from 6.x should do the trick and no GRUB2 update
should mess with functioning GRUB1.

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 7 NetInstall: Pane is dead

On 07/13/2014 07:31 PM, Nordgren, Bryce L -FS wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I downloaded the netinstall iso, burned it to disk, and tried to install on 
 my old Dell PowerEdge 2900 (Intel Xeon / 8Gb ram). Machine is connected to a 
 KVM. The Centos 6 netinstall iso worked flawlessly on this exact 
 configuration two days ago.
 
 The first thing anaconda does after verifying the media is complain that 
 pane is dead in the lower left corner. At this point, there does not seem 
 to be much I can do (system ignores keypresses). Is there a way to get more 
 details about what went wrong?
 
 Thanks much,
 Bryce
 
 

Just use Troubleshooting  VGA mode (or something like that). I had
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Re: [CentOS] FirewallD and Network manager on production servers (C7)

On 07/15/2014 08:25 PM, Florian La Roche wrote:
 Hello Eero Volotinen,
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 08:59:14PM +0300, Eero Volotinen wrote:
 Hi List,

 Are you really using firewalld and network-manager on Centos 7 production
 servers or old way disabling network manager and using pure iptables like
 on C6?
 
 I tried to disable NetworkManager, but then ran into the following bug:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1105770
 
 Instead of adjusting the file, I have now switched over to NetworkManager
 (even for local static routes).
 
 For iptables I'd rather stay with static rules, so iptables is the
 right thing for me...
 
 (Next item is tuned, which also looks a bit overkill to keep running.)
 
 Best regards,
 
 Florian La Roche
 

NetworkManager does not fully support Bridge interfaces, so since I use
(one for now) C7 server for KVM host, I disabled it and use network instead.

I will also use shorewall instead of Firewalld, at least until I can
understand how it works (stupid looking thing without obvious way of
using it).



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Re: [CentOS] Disable auto window maximize

On 07/16/2014 11:19 PM, Steve wrote:
 
  Chris Pemberton cjpe...@gmail.com wrote: 

 On 07/15/2014 09:59 AM, Steve wrote:
 Anyone?

 Gnome 3 was released over 3 years ago... a simple web search yields:

 # yum install dconf-editor

 It's all in there.
 
 But Gnome 3 is new to CentOS. In fact Gnome 3 was the main reason I stopped 
 using Fedora and moved to CentOS in the first place.
 
 Thanks for the info though. It appears that dconf-editor is just a graphical 
 front end to gsettings. In my original post, I mentioned some of the 
 gsettings commands that I had already tried.
 I eventually found the right one by searching through one by one - my 
 original comment about the documentation still stands.
 
 For others searching the archives in the future, the command that stopped the 
 awful auto-maximise is:
 $ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.classic-overrides edge-tiling false
 
 Intuitively obvious, right?... yeah.
 
 Job #1 - make it less annoying - check.
 Job #2 - make it less ugly...
 


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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS7 boot loader into the /boot partition

On 07/17/2014 03:33 PM, Edward Diener wrote:
 The grub2 boot loader is installed in a /boot partition in my Fedora 20 
 installation and works properly. But I do create 1 GB boot partitions 
 and maybe most people do not use as much space for their boot partition 
 as I do.
 


From last 1-2 years, my /boot partitions are 500MB, never less.


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Re: [CentOS] installer and os-prober not finding Windows XP installation

On 07/19/2014 11:24 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
 I installed CentOS 7 on a Shuttle X27D box (dual-core Atom 330), and
 so far it seems to work fine, but it didn't set up a Grub2 entry for
 the existing Windows XP installation in the first partition (MBR).
 Running os-prober generates no output.
 
 fdisk shows that the NTFS partition is still present as /dev/sda1, and
 still has the bootable flag set.
 
 I added a menuentry for Windows to the end of /etc/grub.d/40_custom:
 
 menuentry Windows {
 set root=(hd0,1)
 chainloader +1
 }
 
 and ran:
 
 grub2-mkconfig /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
 
 and that lets me boot Windows, but I thought this was supposed to be
 taken care of automatically.  Is there any known problem that prevents
 the installer or Grub2 from finding Windows XP?
 
 I don't normally set up dual-boot on production machines, but I use it
 a lot for testing.
 

It does not see Windows 7 either.

Note that Windows 7 to boot might need :

menuentry Windows 7 {
insmod ntfs
search --set=root --label WINDOWS_7 --hint hd0,msdos1
 ntldr /bootmgr
 }

and that msdos1 parametar in GRUB2 does not start with 0 but with 1?
(Check this)

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