I have to agree with Tom Bishop. IBM has completely destroyed Red Hat
and it's clones for me. Debian GNU Linux is the next natural step. It
will probably be a mix of Debian GNU Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD used.
Let's face the facts, corporate entities have never been the friends of
the Open Source Community and they do nothing but take and control. It's
time for a change.
-Salim
On 7/13/23 08:42, Tom Bishop wrote:
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 7:11 AM mario juliano grande-balletta
wrote:
IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent
changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community
members, end-users and the general public.
IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM) your opinion could be slightly
biased because of your career.
But, the history of open source is full of examples of what happens
when corporations try to create commodities from distributions backed
by support contracts.
IBM wants to make money, PERIOD. They paid billions for RedHat and
investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period. No excuses.
So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important
software/materials. It is what companies do all the time.
I predict a decline in sales, a decrease in subscriptions and a
percentage of the community moving away from Fedora / CentOS.
It's only logical reaction.
Does IBM deserve to make a profit for buying RedHat? Yes, indeed.
However, this is not the best way, it is the same mentality of
Microsoft, Oracle and others whose products are EASILY replaced and out
performed by open source community software.
IBM has had many successes over the years, many first innovations, but
also a history of mistakes and flops too! This is a flop.
-Original Message-
From: Josh Boyer
Reply-To: CentOS mailing list
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] How will fragmentation help Red Hat
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 07:20:50 -0400
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM Simon Matter
wrote:
Hi,
As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux"
ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the
beginning
and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL
software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
I'm really wondering, how will this help anybody and how will this
help
Red Hat in the long run?
Competition in the Enterprise Linux space is a good thing. If a
company or community other than Red Hat starts serving a market that
RHEL can't, it forces Red Hat to evaluate and adjust. It keeps
everyone pushing and developing solutions that hopefully benefit end
users and customers. If everyone is fully participating in open
source and upstream, it makes them all better inherently.
I've been using and promoting the Red Hat "(Enterprise) Linux"
ecosystem
for more than two decades. But, who will I promote in the future if
this
ecosystem becomes fragmented?
Is it different from the non-Enterprise Linux ecosystem? What do you
do there given the large variety of Linux distributions?
My personal take on this is to think about what I use and why I use
it. How does something solve my needs? Does it need to be better?
etc.
For example, long before I ever worked at Red Hat I was a Fedora Linux
user. I love that project and distribution. I literally owe my
career in some part to it. In recent years, I don't use Fedora
heavily. Partly because of my day job, but also partly because my
personal needs changed. I do still install almost every release in
some way and try it out though. If someone asked me for a
recommendation on a community Linux distribution, it would still be at
the top of my list. Not because of what it was like in the past, but
because of what Fedora is today which is far better than it ever has
been.
If someone asked me for a recommendation on an Enterprise Linux
operating system, I'd say RHEL. Yes of course because I work on it,
but also because I firmly believe it is the best on the market. It's
what I run on my main machine every day. If someone asked for a
community Enterprise Linux project, I'd suggest CentOS Stream because
of the direct ties to RHEL, but also because I believe it's a
relatively young and growing project with a lot of potential to do
really interesting things. However, I would probably ask what their
needs were and then I'd earnestly try to make a recommendation based
on that.
I'm still trying to find answers but it's quite difficult.
It is. It's difficult for an individual to decide, and it's difficult
for a project or company to continuously push themselves to make sure
they are the best option for the broadest number of users.
How do others, who were using and promoting the Red Hat "Enterprise
Linux"
ecosystem, handle this new situation?
Respectfully, I don't think it's new. We've had RHEL, SLES, OEL,
CentOS Linux and Ubuntu for more than a decade. Rocky, Alma, whatever
SUSE's new RHEL fork is, etc are certainly newer but
