Re: [CentOS] [OT] Where to buy S/MIME ??

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Alexander Dalloz
> Sent: den 25 november 2018 17:37
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Where to buy S/MIME ??
> 
> Letsencrypt does not sign certificates for use with S/MIME.
> 
> Alexander


Ah. Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] Where to buy S/MIME ??

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Alice Wonder
> Sent: den 25 november 2018 14:35
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: [CentOS] [OT] Where to buy S/MIME ??
> 
> Hi, I'm getting increasingly paranoid.
> 
> Something I said on a certain social media site several months ago was
> modified - then reported - then by account was banned until I agreed to
> delete it.
> 
> Obviously since what I said was modified I didn't have any issue with
> deleting it but I want more than just DKIM sigs on my e-mail now.
> 
> Anyway looking for S/MIME I can use to sign and/or encrypt but mostly
> sign. Not interested in GnuPG or self-signed S/MIME - I want something
> that can be trusted because someone else that is trusted actually
> vouched for me.
> 
> The "free for personal" S/MIME from Comodo didn't work. Browser said it
> did but there was nothing to export for me to then import. I suspect it
> is because I used private browser window, I really don't like the idea
> of a private key stored in browser anyway. And it never asked for a
> password to encrypt the private key, nor let me specify key strength
> (only let me choose between medium and high - I assume high is 4096 but
> I don't know, it didn't say)
> 
> Didn't like the "browser generated" process, even if it had worked and
> generated the final product I could export - I really didn't like the
> process and have serious questions about the wisdom of a private key
> without a pass phrase stored in an application that interacts with web
> sites.
> 
> Anyway so used openssl to create private key (with aes-256 encryption
> and pass phrase) and then a CSR.
> 
> But I can't find anyone who sells certs for S/MIME to send the CSR too.
> 
> Globalsign but they wanted $89 - no one else.
> 
> Found a few sites that offered to "send me a quote" that I think were
> intended for corporate accounts.
> 
> Where do regular users who just want an inexpensive certificate usable
> for S/MIME from a CSR generated the traditional way go to buy a cert?

Would letsencrypt.org work for you?
I use them for my web sites, but unsure if you can do s/mime with them.

It's free, and trusted/sponsored by loads of big muckamucks according to
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Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of mark
> Sent: den 21 november 2018 16:27
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work
> 
> Frank Cox wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500
> > Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >
> >> What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
> I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want,
> if that's not overkill.

You beat me to it.
May I add Joomla for a little more added flexibility?
I feel Drupal may be a bit over the top.


>   mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"

Why would anybody use anything else? ;-)


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Re: [CentOS] OT: good free email service ?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Vic Chester
> Sent: den 9 november 2018 17:23
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: good free email service ?
> 
> https://protonmail.com/
> 
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 11:21 AM Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)
> >
> > Still, can someone recommend good free email service?
> >
> > I definitely will not go with google, Microsoft, Apple. I don't have
> > same strong feeling about yahoo as I have about above, but...

+1 on Protonmail!
I like their mindset.

My private mail is on Gmail. 
I use Yahoo for signing up on stuff, where I expect spam to be, uh,
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Re: [CentOS] Setting up sendmail to mail system messages on CentOS 6 and 7

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Alexander Dalloz
> Sent: den 26 oktober 2018 16:05
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Setting up sendmail to mail system messages on
> CentOS 6 and 7
> 
> Am 26.10.2018 um 14:44 schrieb Sorin Srbu:
> > Here is a typical guide I've used for CentOS  6, and that I've used for
the
> > problem server above as well as for other CentOS 7-machines.
> > <https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/configure-sendmail-
> centos>
> 
> That "guide" is not really useful nor clever. In a scenario like yours,
> you would setup Sendmail as a nullclient. That's documented in
> cf/README. Or even drop Sendmail and choose a software like msmtp or
> ssmtp which is dedicated for such purpose. You don't need the MTA
> functionality of Sendmail.

I'll look those up. The suggestions makes a lot of sense.


> > Is setting up sendmail different on CentOS 7 in any way, as compared to
> > CentOS 6??
> 
> Not really.

Thanks.


> > Anything else I should double-check?
> 
> Your logs will tell you what is happening and where to look at closer.
> If you like to get specific help from this list I feel you should
> provide your sendmail.mc and log content demonstrating your issue(s).

Gotcha'.

This morning I found a load of "This message hasn't been delivered
yet" mails in my inbox.
Turns out the central uni mail filter had intercepted all my test mails from
the very beginning.

Previous log messages stated the mails had been accepted for delivery from
the mail servers and I took their word for it.

What I missed was these messages that came in slightly later; "First-time
sender tempfailed as anti-spam measure; please try again in 720 minutes..."

I'll have a talk with the central support and see if they can't ease up on
this.

Thanks everybody for your assistance as well as suggestions!

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Re: [CentOS] Setting up sendmail to mail system messages on CentOS 6 and 7

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Fred Smith
> Sent: den 29 oktober 2018 03:23
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Setting up sendmail to mail system messages on
> CentOS 6 and 7
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:38:10AM +0900, マスターズ・イアン wrote:
> > On 2018/10/27 21:00, centos-requ...@centos.org wrote:
> > >I've previously configured sendmail to send system messages on selected
> > >servers running CentOS 6. Usually they just kinda' work out of the box. No
> > >problems to speak of.
> > >
> > >However most of my CentOS 7-servers are rather flakey when it comes to
> > >sendmail. Most of the time they just won't send mails for whatever
> reason.
> > >Further, most of the time I can get it working, it's usually about a
> > >firewall rule not set, the firewall not having been reloaded or some simple
> > >such.
> >
> > Another thing to try would be Postfix. I've always found that very easy to
> use and also requires almost no configuration:
> > https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=CentOS_7=mail=1 (on
> the same site, a lot of very useful CentOS7 info)
> >
> > Usually for local servers, all I do is:
> > 1. Add root alias in /etc/aliases
> > 2. Run 'newaliases'
> > 3. Send test mail:
> > echo "test from `hostname`" | mail -s 'mail test' me@address
> >
> > That's all.
> >
> > ian
> 
> Probably not helpful, but I run a home mailserver, always used sendmail.
> Spent 15 years slowly accumulating a functioning sendmail.mc. When I
> bring up a new system I just carry over the sendmail.mc, compile it,
> restart sendmail and voila. EL7 was no different than EL6 in that regard.

Thanks, that actually helps for starters. No difference then.

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[CentOS] Setting up sendmail to mail system messages on CentOS 6 and 7

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Hi all,

I've previously configured sendmail to send system messages on selected
servers running CentOS 6. Usually they just kinda' work out of the box. No
problems to speak of.

However most of my CentOS 7-servers are rather flakey when it comes to
sendmail. Most of the time they just won't send mails for whatever reason. 
Further, most of the time I can get it working, it's usually about a
firewall rule not set, the firewall not having been reloaded or some simple
such.

There is however this one server that just won't play along.
Daemons are up and restarted to pick up any changes, hostnames set etc. but
still nothing. 
I'm at wits end with this one.

Here is a typical guide I've used for CentOS  6, and that I've used for the
problem server above as well as for other CentOS 7-machines.
<https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/configure-sendmail-centos>

Is setting up sendmail different on CentOS 7 in any way, as compared to
CentOS 6??
Anything else I should double-check?

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Re: [CentOS] Vmware - Slightly off topic

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Steven Tardy
> Sent: den 25 april 2018 02:26
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Vmware - Slightly off topic
> 
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 1:27 PM Jerry Geis  wrote:
> 
> > What is the correct way to provide a CentOS 7 - WMware image for ESX ?
> 
> 
> You are probably looking for VMware Converter which can p2v or v2v.


The converter you mention only runs on Windows, right?
Or has there been releases that now works with linux flavours as well?

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise company using CentOS

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS  On Behalf Of Leon Fauster
> Sent: den 19 april 2018 11:46
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Enterprise company using CentOS
> 
> Am 19.04.2018 um 10:42 schrieb Mats Bennsäter
> :
> >
> > We have systems that is business critical and therefor need support.
> 
> One requirement that is addressed by having a RHEL subscription.
> 
> 
> > Instead of having two different brands a solution could be to have
> everything
> > on CentOS and sign up support for those that are business critical instead 
> > of
> > managing both RHEL and CentOS.
> 
> Another reason to stay with RHEL.
> 
> Sure, having everything on CentOS with 3rd party support would
> address your requirements, but equally? The 3rd party would also
> try to get support from RH. I would compare the qualities of such
> support and mapping it with my needs.

Spot on.

The way we did it when we let go of RHEL for server and desktop, was we eased 
into it or out of, whatever your POV.

Critical servers remained on RHEL for quite a while. Servers got CentOS when 
the entitlement ran out. 

Desktops got CentOS whenever they were available for a reinstall over a quarter 
of a year IIRC.

Five or so years later were a CentOS shop completely. With the odd Ubuntu 
desktop.
Majority of desktops are however Windows boxes, but that's a different matter.

Might that be a solution for you too Mats, ie ease into it - keep RHEL on 
critical servers and replace for CentOS on those that aren't?



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Pete Biggs
> Sent: den 22 februari 2018 10:02
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> 
> 
> >
> > No gray 7-boot screen. Might be a graphics issue, the card is a Nvidia
1060
> with no particular drivers loaded except for the default Nouveau package.
> > What's weird is that I can't even get a CLI login screen with
ctrl-alt-Fx at this
> point.
> >
> > Will continue trouble-shooting and see if I can resolve this properly.
> >
> 
> Edit the grub line to boot into single user and remove "rhgb" and
> "quiet" so you can see all the messages. See where it stops.
> 
> I've seen issues recently with Intel chipset and RAID - a couple of my
> machines have paused for a very long time after booting and before
> presenting login screens/prompts. It looks as if checking the array
> after a non-clean shutdown is sucking so much CPU time that nothing
> else happens. (The secondary issue is why it's shutting down without
> marking the array as clean!)

Thanks!

You use xfs on these machines?

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Re: [CentOS] Cisco AnyConnect Mobility Client for 32- bit CentOS 6

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of H
> Sent: den 22 februari 2018 03:36
> To: Centos Mailing List 
> Subject: [CentOS] Cisco AnyConnect Mobility Client for 32- bit CentOS 6
> 
> I have the above installed on a couple of 64-bit systems, both CentOS 6
and
> CentOS 7, where the client works fine.
> 
> Now, however, I have installed the 32-bit version of CentOS 6 on a netbook
> but I cannot get the Cisco website installer to recognize the
> computer/operating system, not even displaying any error message.
> 
> Does anyone have the client running on a 32-bit system? I have been told
it
> should run on a 32-bit system and did have it running on the same netbook
> while it was still running Vista Home edition, another 32-bit operating
system.

I use that VPN-client at home on a CentOS 7 x64-system.
I recall trying to get it to work a few years back while running CentOS 6
32b, but never managed. 
Opted to install CentOS 6 x64 instead.

Can the netbook handle 64b CentOS?
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Steven
> Tardy
> Sent: den 21 februari 2018 23:31
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> 
> 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset 6-Port
> SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)
> 
> While I don’t have experience with this exact controller, I have seen some
> LSI controllers get removed from RHEL post GA which causes similar issues.
> “It worked when I installed, but after `yum update` my box doesn’t boot.”
> These are typically detailed in release notes. . . We ALL read ALL release
> notes? Right?

Uh, almost always.

I don't see anything in particular in the release notes for 1708 though re the 
LSI chipsets, except for a VMWare driver issue of some kind. This is not a vm.
https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS7

This machine is a i7-3930K, ie Sandy Bridge IIRC. 
Haven't those always been a bit iffy?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Johnny
> Hughes
> Sent: den 21 februari 2018 18:03
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> 
> On 02/21/2018 12:44 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren
> >> Young
> >> Sent: den 20 februari 2018 17:01
> >> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> >>
> >> On Feb 19, 2018, at 5:00 AM, Sorin Srbu <sorin.s...@ilk.uu.se> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is the third fresh install of CentOS 7 1708 the last two months that
> >>> won't boot after a regular "yum update" just after the fresh install has
> >>> finished.
> >>
> >> Define “won’t boot”.  Does it stop:
> >>
> >> 1. Before the GRUB2 screen?
> >> 2. Between the GRUB2 screen and root device mount?
> >> 3. After root device mount but before entering runlevel 5?
> >> 4. Something else?
> >
> > Not really sure.
> > A few times the screen just went black after the grub menu, a few times it
> stuck waiting on Plymouth to quit.
> >
> > As for a screenshoot, I'll see if I can find another unused box to try
> reproducing this on. Don't want to mess up this particular machine.
> 
> 
> This sounds like some kind of graphics card issue .. if you see any text
> that says 'booting CentOS' or a line at the bottom or the '7' grey boot
> screen, you are past the Grub2 stage.
> 
> Are these machines running X windows and a Desktop Environment.
> 
> If I had to guess, this is an AMD graphics issue .. or possibly another
> brand of card.

Thanks for the feedback.

No gray 7-boot screen. Might be a graphics issue, the card is a Nvidia 1060 
with no particular drivers loaded except for the default Nouveau package.
What's weird is that I can't even get a CLI login screen with ctrl-alt-Fx at 
this point.

Will continue trouble-shooting and see if I can resolve this properly.

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Re: [CentOS] are there reference lists/cheat sheets for categorized commands?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert P. J.
> Day
> Sent: den 21 februari 2018 08:56
> To: CentOS general list 
> Subject: [CentOS] are there reference lists/cheat sheets for categorized
> commands?
> 
> 
>   prepping to teach a 5-day CompTIA linux+ course next week with
> CompTIA-supplied courseware and, given that it was my choice, i chose
> to set up the classroom with centos 7.4 on all the student systems
> since i assume most students are there to learn sysadmin and that's
> the most likely platform they'll have when they get back to work.
> also, most students are taking this course to prep for the subsequent
> LPI exams to get their certification, which plays into my question.
> 
>   while the C/W is not bad, it's awfully verbose, and it would be
> handy if there were concise cheat sheets of commands/files related to
> the standard sysadmin they'll be expected to answer questions on. as
> an example, regarding user/group management, i'm collecting all of the
> relevant commands that they need to know about, in the sense of, "if
> you understand these commands, you should be fine."
> 
>   regarding user/group admin, my tentative list of commands would be:
> 
>   * user{add,mod,del}
>   * group(add,mod,del}
>   * passwd, gpasswd
>   * chage, chsh, chfn
>   * pwck, grpck
>   * pwconv, pwunconv
> 
> not sure what i'm missing here, i just typed those off the top of my
> head.
> 
>   rather than scatter all of that over an entire chapter, are there
> any official centos/rhel reference sheets like that? if not, i can
> just write my own and post them at my wiki. thanks for any pointers.

Not official in any way, but quite usable;
http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse

But mostly I use this one; 
https://www.serversaustralia.com.au/blog/ultimate-list-of-cheatsheets-for-a-
sysadmin/

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren
> Young
> Sent: den 20 februari 2018 17:01
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> 
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 5:00 AM, Sorin Srbu <sorin.s...@ilk.uu.se> wrote:
> >
> > This is the third fresh install of CentOS 7 1708 the last two months that
> > won't boot after a regular "yum update" just after the fresh install has
> > finished.
> 
> Define “won’t boot”.  Does it stop:
> 
> 1. Before the GRUB2 screen?
> 2. Between the GRUB2 screen and root device mount?
> 3. After root device mount but before entering runlevel 5?
> 4. Something else?

Not really sure.
A few times the screen just went black after the grub menu, a few times it 
stuck waiting on Plymouth to quit.

As for a screenshoot, I'll see if I can find another unused box to try 
reproducing this on. Don't want to mess up this particular machine.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Steven
> Tardy
> Sent: den 20 februari 2018 02:36
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update
> 
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:01 AM Sorin Srbu <sorin.s...@ilk.uu.se> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is the third fresh install of CentOS 7 1708 the last two months
that
> > won't boot after a regular "yum update" just after the fresh install has
> > finished.
> 
> 
> 
> Not nearly enough details given. . .

So, guessing this isn't a common problem then?
Details below, please let me know if more or other info is needed.

> What disk controller? `lspci`
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset 6-Port
SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)


> Legacy BIOS or UEFI?
Legacy.


> What disk layout? `lsblk`
NAMEMAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda   8:00 931.5G  0 disk
ââsda18:10 931.5G  0 part /home.1TB
sdb   8:16   0 111.8G  0 disk
ââsdb18:17   0 1G  0 part /boot
ââsdb28:18   0 110.8G  0 part
  ââcentos-root 253:0050G  0 lvm  /
  ââcentos-swap 253:10   9.8G  0 lvm  [SWAP]
  ââcentos-home 253:2051G  0 lvm  /home
sdc   8:32   0   1.8T  0 disk
ââsdc18:33   0   1.8T  0 part /home.2TB
sr0  11:01  1024M  0 rom


> What storage driver? `lsmod`
libata238896  2 ahci,libahci



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[CentOS] CentOS 7 1708 won't boot after grub2 update

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Hi all,

This is the third fresh install of CentOS 7 1708 the last two months that
won't boot after a regular "yum update" just after the fresh install has
finished.

I've never had this problem before, it has just worked. 
The installs are on OEM's that have previously run CentOS 6.9 x64.

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Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Pete Biggs
> Sent: den 30 november 2017 09:50
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS
> 
> 
> > No, it's Varian/Agilent. A big player in lab instruments.
> >
> > Funny thing, just googled them and apparently they've opensoured the
> culprit
> > software, and according to the below link, it's not locked to a
particular
> > point release anymore!
> >
> > http://openvnmrj.org/Downloading/
> >
> > It does however still require the original software - which _is_ locked
to a
> > particular point release. Dammit', so close!
> 
> Yes, our spectrometers that run VNMRJ are not allowed directly on the
> network.  They are tucked away safely behind a NAT'd firewall with very
> few ports open and access is only allowed by proxy ssh from a few IP
> addresses (for some reason the users want to retrieve their data from
> it!).  The extra cost of a firewall is nothing compared to the cost of
> the instrument.

Same setup here. It's the SOP for these systems I guess.
We were even able to find that specific consumer grade Zyxel router!

We solved the user access to the spectra with a script that pulled in the
data-folders from the instrument boxes via rsync to a Processing computer,
to which they could connect with eg WinSCP, after first having plugged a
hole in the firewall/router.

For some reason the users don't like going down three or four stairs to the
basement to pick up the spectra on a usb-stick, then dumping it to their own
computers and do a more detailed processing.


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Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph L.
> Casale
> Sent: den 30 november 2017 01:25
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:26 AM
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS
> 
> > Seriously, some of the RHEL-boxes we use, require a particular point
> release
> > as well as not allowing any updates to the OS. At all.
> 
> Any of the vendors on those boxes happen to be Oracle or Netcracker?

No, it's Varian/Agilent. A big player in lab instruments.

Funny thing, just googled them and apparently they've opensoured the culprit
software, and according to the below link, it's not locked to a particular
point release anymore!

http://openvnmrj.org/Downloading/

It does however still require the original software - which _is_ locked to a
particular point release. Dammit', so close!

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Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> Kovacs
> Sent: den 29 november 2017 08:31
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS
> 
> Le 29/11/2017 à 08:26, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> > If updated, the instrument software will break, like in an atomic mushroom
> > cloud, rendering critical hardware non-working and lab people standing
> > outside my office with torches, pitch-forks and all the shebang.
> > Yupp, unfortunately that's the current state of some lab equipment
> > manufacturers that use RHEL as a base...
> 
> ProMAX/SeisSpace, a geophysical calculation software edited by
> Halliburton and costing roughly $ 50.000 / workstation still requires
> RHEL 5.x to run.
> 
> :o)

LOL!! Awesome!
Better living through technology, right? :-D


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Re: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph L.
> Casale
> Sent: den 28 november 2017 14:06
> To: 'centos@centos.org' 
> Subject: [CentOS] Admins supporting both RHEL and CentOS
> 
> With a few exceptions, I see most admins treat CentOS as a single
> rolling release and rely on the ABI commitment assuming things
> just work between point releases. On the other hand I see the
> opposite with RHEL where admins constrain installations to the
> point release.
> 
> What is the case with users on this list who support both?

I treat them as rolling releases.
Except for those I don't. :-)

Seriously, some of the RHEL-boxes we use, require a particular point release
as well as not allowing any updates to the OS. At all. 
Yeah, I know... 
If updated, the instrument software will break, like in an atomic mushroom
cloud, rendering critical hardware non-working and lab people standing
outside my office with torches, pitch-forks and all the shebang.
Yupp, unfortunately that's the current state of some lab equipment
manufacturers that use RHEL as a base...

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Re: [CentOS] Chromium on CentOS 6

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nux!
> Sent: den 28 november 2017 09:17
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Chromium on CentOS 6
> 
> Sorin,
> 
> Indeed, CentOS 6 is not longer officially supported by Chrome. It hasn't
been
> for a few years, though there are workarounds[1].
> 
> It's high time people migrated to EL7.
> 
> [1] - http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el6/x86_64/chrome-deps-
> stable-3.11-1.x86_64.rpm

That was indeed my main incentive to upgrade to CentOS 7!
If not for Chrome, I'd have stayed on C6 till 2020.

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Re: [CentOS] Chromium on CentOS 6

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of H
> Sent: den 27 november 2017 19:45
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Chromium on CentOS 6
> 
> >> I have chromium installed on CentOS 7 and it works fine, I now need
> >> to install it on a CentOS 6 workstation. However, it is not
> >> available in EPEL as it is for C 7. From what I understand, this is
> >> because it is already available in a supplementary channel from
> >> RHEL for C 6.
> >>
> >> Is this the recommended method for installing it on C 6?
> >>
> >> https://www.tecmint.com/install-google-chrome-on-redhat-centos-fedo
> >> ra-linux/
> >>
> > Just curious - why are you using the epel, rather than google,
> > release for centos-7?
> >
> > The current google repo releases, (which install without any issues
> > and work well on centos-7) are:
> >
> >   stable.x86_6462.0.3202.94-1
> >   beta.x86_64  63.0.3239.59-1
> >
> > while the epel one is:
> >
> >   61.0.3163.100-1
> >
> > which was the "google stable" release in late september, and is about
> > five releases back.
> 
> Ah, good, so this would be using the google-chrome.repo? I was not
familiar
> with it.

Wasn't the latest Google Chrome unsupported on CentOS 6 because of some
dependency problems or some such?


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Re: [CentOS] [ot] Skype crackling (was: skypeforlinux lacks dependencies, won't update)

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Sent: den 23 november 2017 23:44
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [ot] Skype crackling (was: skypeforlinux lacks
> dependencies, won't update)
> 
> On 23/11/17 19:49, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > The Skype flatpak at home worked beautifully, that is to say for about
ten
> > minutes, then the sound (using a Koss SB/45 headset) it started
crackling to
> > the point of not being usable anymore. I hung up and reconnected, then
sound
> > was fine, for another ten minutes at which point the crackling returned.
> > Checking the sound prefs, I saw that alsa on the app tab had two
instances,
> > one stable and one that blinked like crazy, like it was opening and
closing a
> > few times a second.
> >
> > On a hunch I downloaded the skype for linux rpm from the link above and
> > installed it with yum.
> > No lib errors!
> > I started it and gave it a go, and - no crackling whatsoever. In fact it
> > worked as good as it gets IMHO.
> 
> I think this was a known issue with Skype 8.10 for linux itself as I
> noticed it when I was looking for answers to the GLIBCXX dependency
> issue.  It looks like the skype-stable repo just got updated to 8.11.0
> which fixes both the dependency issue and the crackling one.

Cool, thanks for the heads-up!

Will check this out.

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Re: [CentOS] skypeforlinux lacks dependencies, won't update

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of ken
> Sent: den 22 november 2017 20:14
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] skypeforlinux lacks dependencies, won't update
>
> On 11/19/2017 12:53 PM, vychytraly . wrote:
> > Maybe try flatpak version? there should be no problems with
> dependencies
> > there... :)
>
> Thanks, I didn't know about flatpak... even tho it's in the base repo!
> I have to admit though, after reading through the flatpak website about
> it, I still don't understand how it could overcome the dependency
> problem with the skypeforlinux update.  Grateful for enlightenment.
>
>
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:02 PM, ken  wrote:
> >
> >> For about a week now yum has tried and failed to update skypeforlinux:
> >>
> >> Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
> >>  skypeforlinux-8.10.0.4-1.x86_64 from skype-stable
> >>
> >> Processing Dependency: libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.20)(64bit) for
> package:
> >> skypeforlinux-8.10.0.4-1.x86_64
> >>
> >> Is there any resolution to this issue?

Please excuse the sidetrack.

I had to do a Skype-meeting yesterday evening. Some weirdness occurred.

A background; Have two OEM:s, one at work, one at home. Same hardware, same 
OS - CentOS 7.4 x64, same repos and both fully updated, same software 
installed. I believe the chassis differ though(...).

At work, the rpm from https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/, refused to install 
with the same errors as above regarding the libs.

The Skype Flatpak from 
https://flathub.org/repo/appstream/com.skype.Client.flatpakref installed just 
fine and the test call showed no problems, so that's what I installed at home 
too.

The Skype flatpak at home worked beautifully, that is to say for about ten 
minutes, then the sound (using a Koss SB/45 headset) it started crackling to 
the point of not being usable anymore. I hung up and reconnected, then sound 
was fine, for another ten minutes at which point the crackling returned.
Checking the sound prefs, I saw that alsa on the app tab had two instances, 
one stable and one that blinked like crazy, like it was opening and closing a 
few times a second.

On a hunch I downloaded the skype for linux rpm from the link above and 
installed it with yum.
No lib errors!
I started it and gave it a go, and - no crackling whatsoever. In fact it 
worked as good as it gets IMHO.

Is there anything that could account for the problem I had?
I read that the network bandwidth may be a problem, and that five Mbps at a 
minimum with video is the low mark.
At work I sit on a 1 Gbps up/down network. At home I have 100 Mbps up/down. I 
have doubts that the network width was the problem.

Are flatpaks known to cause odd problems at all?

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of ken
> Sent: den 16 november 2017 17:00
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> > I'm looking into getting HP laptops for our department running CentOS 7.
>
> For two years now I've been semi-happily using an HP Envy with the
> high-end Nvidia graphics card.  Installing CentOS7, everything worked
> out of box except the wifi.  The problem there was due to the drivers
> requiring a v.3.5 kernel which centos doesn't yet have.  There were some
> very occasional glitches in the video, but subsequent upgrades to the
> nvidia drivers eventually fixed those.
> 
> Audio worked initially, but after installing vlc I've had problems which
> I haven't been able to track down, so the sound with some apps just
> doesn't work.  Notably, anything audio through firefox doesn't work
> except that which uses flashplayer.  Audacity and vlc work just fine.
> 
> The body of the laptop is solid, made mostly out of carbon fiber... it
> seemed like it's bullet-proof.  The pop-out DVD tray I got is really
> flimsy, so must be handled quite gingerly.  I've read that it's been
> upgraded by HP to more solid version in more recent incarnations of the
> Envy.
> 
> I've never used the bluetooth, so I can't testify to how well that
> works, but I've never seen/read any complaints about it, so I'd assume
> it works.
> 
> Of the six or more laptops I've owned in my life, the keyboard of this
> one has been absolutely the most difficult one to get used to.  It seems
> that if I don't hit a key square in the middle of the key, that
> character doesn't make it to the screen.  Same failure if I press the
> key too hard.  This craps on my typing speed immensely,  I used to type
> at over 100 words/minute, but I'm now down to less than half that...
> sucks big time.
> 
> It's nice that it has a big touchpad and I use it all the time. Only
> very seldom to I plug in a usb mouse (e.g., in Blender).  But it's way
> too easy to accidently touch the touchpad, resulting in all kinds of
> random mayhem.  So I modified some code I found to disable/enable the
> touchpad and mapped that code to [Ctrl-`] so that it operates as a
> toggle.  Problem therewith nicely solved.
> 
> Talking with folks on a suse list about the sound problem, I learned
> that they have have no sound problems with there and, further, my
> problem might be a messed up packman stack... whatever that is.  Suse
> also has a much higher kernel version than we do in centos, so switching
> over to suse is in the works.  That's sad because I've been a happy
> RH/centos guy for a long time.
> 
> Hope this review is helpful.

It is, thank you!
Real life experiences are worth a lot to me, thanks again.

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Haney
> Sent: den 7 november 2017 15:04
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
>
> On 11/07/2017 08:24 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >>
> > We don't run anything on Server 2016, only have a Server 2012 left.
> > Last I tried was with Server 2012, a year or so ago.
> >
> I dealt with 2012 print servers exclusively until 2016 was released.  It
> worked better than anything prior especially considering we had 60+ Macs
> connecting to it for AD authentication and print services.  (We were all
> Macs except two linux laptops, my Lenovo and a developer who ran Ubuntu
> on his Mac.) All in all, it didn't totally suck once you got it setup
> for your normal print load.

I agree there. It was good for a while, especially when I could add printers 
to users based on group memberships using  a GPO.

Our linux user group is shrinking is size, with respect to the researchers 
using linux.
I'm thinking this part of my job will eventually be quite minimal. OTOH I may 
be getting to work more with Apple's line of computers.
Reorg, reorg, reorg... Oh, well. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 7 november 2017 14:49
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> >> Generally all the printer issues with Windows print servers is the
print
> >> spool getting jacked up and having to be restarted.  It's better in
> >> Server 2016, but still crap IMHO.
> >
> > We don't run anything on Server 2016, only have a Server 2012 left.
> > Last I tried was with Server 2012, a year or so ago.
> 
> And at the end of the day it turns out all this printer server problem
> discussion belongs to MS Windows admin list, not Linux or UNIX admin list.
> So, why didn't you, guys use Linux server instead of Windows server for
> printing? You paid with your trouble for poor decision. Windows IMHO can
> not be allowed to serve anything. It is the only system I know of whose
> vendor tell you it is unsafe to run without third party software
> (antivirus).
> 
> Valeri

This was years ago. Things were setup differently. 
This being a conservative workplace, even as universities go, you need to
tread carefully with the users, who usually want things to stay the same.
Also, discussions on this list sometimes tend to deviate from the original
question.

I've had some pointers and hints by now regarding the HP laptops etc, thanks
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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Haney
> Sent: den 7 november 2017 14:10
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
>
> On 11/07/2017 01:41 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >
> > When I first started at this job almost twenty years ago fresh out of
> > IT-school, I had an idea to use a Windows print server as this was what I
> > knew.
> > I wasn't trusted with the *nix farm yet then.
> > Over the years I have tried at least once a year to get our 
> > Linux-computers
> > to talk to our AD-connected Windows Servers, but haven't quite made it
> yet.
> > I've also tried to get the AD-connected Windows-clients to talk to a Linux
> > print server to no avail. Granted it's been awhile now since I tried. 
> > Maybe
> > I'll give it another go. Both the Windows and Linux OS:es have developed
> > quite a bit the last ten years...
> >
> I've had no problems printing to AD connected print servers with Linux
> in a decade.  Either with the Linux box (usually Fedora, but Ubuntu as
> well) as part of the AD domain or not part of the domain.
>
> Generally all the printer issues with Windows print servers is the print
> spool getting jacked up and having to be restarted.  It's better in
> Server 2016, but still crap IMHO.

We don't run anything on Server 2016, only have a Server 2012 left.
Last I tried was with Server 2012, a year or so ago.

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 6 november 2017 16:31
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> 
> > Our department is slowly leaving all those ad hoc printer solutions
where
> > every senior or group have their own printer and are instead opting for
a
> > "Eduprint" solution. Any printer problems will soon be somebody else's
> > problem.
> 
> Hm, I regret to hear you are outsourcing your IT tasks too...

Nah, I have plenty of other stuff to do.


> > I'm quite happy to leave all printing problems behind me.
> > Printers seem to be a never-ending source of problems...
> >
> 
> Even though "printing is the darkest page of IT book", if you set them up
> right, you will rarely have any problems. Namely:
> 
> 1. Configure all printer to not accept jobs (or talk to) any machines
> except for your UNIX print server
> 
> 2. On print server make sure to use protocols to talk to printers that do
> not time out and stop CUPS queue. E.g., jetdirect (port 9100) never will.
> 
> 3. On print server set some restrictions so to fend off those who
> shouldn't print to your printers. Restricting in local firewall on print
> server machine access to print ports to local subnets of your Department
> is one of the measures.

When I first started at this job almost twenty years ago fresh out of
IT-school, I had an idea to use a Windows print server as this was what I
knew.
I wasn't trusted with the *nix farm yet then.
Over the years I have tried at least once a year to get our Linux-computers
to talk to our AD-connected Windows Servers, but haven't quite made it yet.
I've also tried to get the AD-connected Windows-clients to talk to a Linux
print server to no avail. Granted it's been awhile now since I tried. Maybe
I'll give it another go. Both the Windows and Linux OS:es have developed
quite a bit the last ten years...

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 18:33
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> Whoever wants to listen to my advise, it will be: stay away from HP and
> Compaq laptops (but if you need printer: HP will be the best in my opinion
> choice).
> 
> Valeri

Our department is slowly leaving all those ad hoc printer solutions where
every senior or group have their own printer and are instead opting for a
"Eduprint" solution. Any printer problems will soon be somebody else's
problem.

I'm quite happy to leave all printing problems behind me.
Printers seem to be a never-ending source of problems...

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R
> Pierce
> Sent: den 6 november 2017 07:56
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> On 11/5/2017 10:45 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > What would you consider be a tested and proven working, newish chipset?
> 
> 
> its really the CPU now that matters, rather than the 'chipset', as most
> all the base IO devices are in the CPU (ethernet, sata, video).
> 
> I think Kaby Lake support is still a sketchy, thats Core gen 7. (i-7xxx).
> 
> I'm not sure what the state of Skylake is (gen 6)
> 
> Broadwell should be very solid at this point (5th gen), that was new in
> early 2015.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Haney
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 18:03
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?
>
>
> I'll toss my two cents worth in having dealt with a similar situation
> recently (well 2015, but close enough).  If this server is /that/
> important, I'd really consider building a completely new virtual
> instance on the hypervisor of your choice.  Though, to be completely
> honest, Hyper-V is just awful in my testing. There are far more P2V
> options for VMWare, including it's own P2V software which I've not had
> particular trouble with in a half-decade, if you insist on a P2V migration.
>
> If we're just talking backups, Veeam for Hyper-V  (and ESXi) works
> really well and you can bring up the backed up VM on the fly if you need
> to recover data from it, or for DR/BC.  I've never had a problem with it
> and, at my last position, had it set to run the backups on a remote
> cloud in case of catastrophic damage to the office.  Of course, there's
> no such thing as too many backups, so critical data on a server like you
> have was replicated to a warm/cold site, or part of a cluster for DBs to
> make sure data integrity was kept and uptime maximized.

While Hyper-V is not ideal, it's good enough for our purpose. We made a choice 
a few years back to either completely rehaul our vm infrastructure or just 
hand it over to central IT at our university. The later option won, mostly 
because of the cost.
Since central IT uses Hyper-V, that's what we also use.

Building a completely new vm and somehow restore from backup the important 
parts, is what I'm looking at now.

Thanks for your feedback!


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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Johnny
> Hughes
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 14:43
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> 
> For the vast majority of laptops that are not based on the absolute
> latest chipsets, CentOS Linux 7 just works.  There are sometimes issues
> with the latest Intel Graphics or the latest Intel CPU chipset.  The
> latest kernel did get newer hardware drivers.
> 
> We also have an experimental kernel here that can be tried if you have a
> specific issue as well:
> 
> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AltArch/i386
> 
> (look at the .repo file for experimental kernel at the bottom of the
> page .. it works for i386 and x86_64 CentOS Linux 7 arches)

Thanks!

What would you consider be a tested and proven working, newish chipset?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Nichols
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 14:46
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?
>
> How would you recover if that server were suddenly destroyed, let's say by a
> power supply failure that fried the motherboard and all the disks? If you 
> can't
> bring up a machine on new, bare iron starting with nothing but your backups
> and a CD or USB stick with a recovery tool, you need to seriously reconsider
> your backup strategy.

The important data is backed up properly.
I'm looking for a "quick fix" solution to clone the server as is. I'm pretty 
sure I can duplicate the setup for the license managers and intricate scripts, 
and what not. I'm just not too hot on spending a few weeks on this.

I'm aware of the fast - cheap - good pyramid. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of hw
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 12:10
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?
> 
> I think I would try to create a VM that has the physical disks passed through
> and also has access to whatever storage it´s supposed to reside on once the
> conversion to a VM is completed.  Then copy it from the physical disks to that
> storage.
> 
> Converting without shutting the machine down is probably not possible.
> Passing the disks through may give you the advantage that the downtime can be
> kept to a minimum.

I touched the physical disk solution briefly while looking around, but felt at 
the time it was a tad bit complicated.

I'll have another look at this.

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Gary
> Stainburn
> Sent: den 3 november 2017 11:43
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> yeah, it's just a normal USB dongle, and it's supported by the Linux
Kernel,
> that's why I tried it. I have tried other USB dongles with Linux before
and
> failed.

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[CentOS] CentOS 6 P2V alternatives?

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Hello all,

This week I've tested out a few ways to do a P2V on a rather ancient CentOS
6 server, in order to move it to a Hyper-V host.

So far my tests have failed rather spectacularly.
Initially I was set on doing a simple dd-routine, but was told that the
server cannot be taken off-line as it's being used daily, so had to look for
other solutions.

The disk setup is currently as follows:

Three 500 GB sata-disks, sda, sdb and sdc, are used to build a software raid
called md0. No LVM's here.

Sdd is a 120 GB drive, with partitions for boot, swap, home and /. 
No LVM's here either.

The farthest I've gotten is with the Rear solution. 
http://relax-and-recover.org/

The backup goes well, but recovery for some reason fails to create initramfs
with all the installed kernels, as well as failing with an error saying it
cannot find /boot/grub, after which the recovery terminates.

Virtualizing systems like this is kinda' new to me, having it done on
Windows only, and I'm not really sure
how to proceed when it's a CentOS system in question.

The physical CentOS-server runs a few license managers and nfs-shares that
server molecular modeling software, that are rather intricately set up (I
inherited this server some fifteen years ago).

Are there any easier ways to do a P2V at all?

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-
> cent.us
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 15:46
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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> > I usually recommend Dell: business lines of laptops, see which are
offered
> > with 3 to 5 years warranty, I do get cheapest 3 year warranty, but Dell
> > committing to maintain it for 5 years tell you that that is solidly
built,
> > and is not expected to be obsoleted soon.
> 
> Seconded. Hell, I tell everyone, including my kids, DO NOT BUY
> consumer-grade laptops, only business-grade. Even buying one used online,
> they'll last longer than any crap consumer grade.
> 
> We have a lot of Dell Latitudes here at work.

Why would anybody buy consumer-grade laptops for use in a business?

Actually, I recommended a used HP Elitebook to a retired lecturer here at
work when he asked for advice on a new laptop to start writing a new edition
of medicinal chemistry book. Boy, was he pleased with the two-three year old
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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 15:21
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> 
> On Thu, November 2, 2017 8:29 am, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm looking into getting HP laptops for our department running CentOS 7.
> 
> I usually recommend against HP laptops. I had Compaq quite some time ago
> (the last was bought out by HP shortly after I got my laptop), and I have
> seen a bunch of HP laptops people in our Department got themselves. That
> (dealing with these, looking inside hardware etc) developed strong allergy
> towards HP laptops in me. My Compaq, BTW, has a list of "approved
> hardware" in BIOS, which is evil: I had to edit BIOS with hex editor to
> replace piece of crap broadcom wireless adapter with Intel one.
> 
> To be fair I must mention here that I love HP printers, and the whole
> attitude of HP towards printers they make. Decent HP laser printers are
> manageable, last forever, and HP keeps making supplies for them. I just
> retired still working B/W LaserJet 4050, that worked for over 16 years,
> was heavily used, still works, print quality is the same as it always had,
> and HP still makes supplies for it.
> 
> I usually recommend Dell: business lines of laptops, see which are offered
> with 3 to 5 years warranty, I do get cheapest 3 year warranty, but Dell
> committing to maintain it for 5 years tell you that that is solidly built,
> and is not expected to be obsoleted soon.
> 
> I recommended IBM before they sold laptop line to Lenovo. After watching
> Lenovo for about 3 years, I started recommending them (they were same
> well
> engineered as IBMs were), but shortly after that they had a scandal: sold
> a bunch of laptops with malware preinstalled, that did it: I gave up on
> Lenovo for good.
> 
> From smaller players, I would just see which makes business oriented
> laptops for some time (offering purchase of long warranties is a good
> sign). And if you can handle one before purchasing - say, you can go to
> computer store and handle on on display, - I would recommend "propeller
> test". Grab sides of laptop and try to twist it into propeller shape. If
> it is flexible, it is junk that will fail soon. If it is solid, it has
> great chance to last long. Flexing system board - motherboard is common
> jargon for over 30 years - leads to developing microcracks in it: copper
> when going through plastic deformation hardens, then cracks.

Funny you should mention the "propeller test", as this is why I've stayed
away from Dell laptops, and instead went for the HP Compaq's with the
magnesium chassis in the early 00's! I've stayed with HP since then.

HP has however had a habit of replacing the hardware anytime within a series
while calling the models the same. This has bitten both me and the people at
central IT sourcing the Microsoft SCCM infrastructure for us.

I think I'll keep an open mind for Dell laptops for now.

Thanks for the feedback!



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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Tru Huynh
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 15:13
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:29:53PM +, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm looking into getting HP laptops for our department running CentOS 7.
> 
> At daily work, we have elitebook 840g2 and 840g3, works out of the box
with C7.
> (on the g3, the FN/light shortcuts are not working). ymmv.

Awesome, thanks!


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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Gary
> Stainburn
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 15:10
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> On Thursday 02 November 2017 14:04:11 Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 November 2017 13:54:41 Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > > Thanks.
> > > Would you know what chipset that particular wifi-dongle is running?
> > >
> > > A wifi-dongle may work, but I'm thinking it's not really desirable to
go
> > > that way.
> > > I'm figuring the users will loose that dongle sooner than later! :-)
> >
> > The laptop is in the car so I can't check at the moment, but this is the
> > item.
> >
> > I understand your concern regarding the users, but thet can't be any
worse
> > than mine, and they're capable of not losing their mouse dongle.
> >
> > It would be nicer to get it working with the internal one at some point.
> 
> 
> It would have helped to incluide the URL
> 
> https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-wifi/products/usb-wifi-
> adapter-for-the-raspberry-pi

Huh? Raspberry Pi-dongles work on off-the-shelf laptops too?


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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Ian Pilcher
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 16:36
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> > Anybody care to chime in with a comment or hint on the laptop situation
> > and-or their experiences?
> 
> I'm very happy with my Dell Precision 5520 "developer edition".  It
> shipped with Ubuntu and runs Fedora pretty much flawlessly.  I haven't
> tried CentOS, but Dell claims that RHEL support on their spec sheet, so
> I would expect it to work well.
> 
> Dell also have the XPS 13 "developer edition" for those looking for a
> smaller footprint.


Ouch!
The 5520's seems pricey!
The XPS's slightly less so.
HP does have an advantage wrt price.

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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-
> cent.us
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 15:30
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking into getting HP laptops for our department running CentOS 7.
> >
> > Last time I checked this was some five or so years ago, and when I look
at
> > https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops, nothing much seems to have
> > happened since.
> >
> > At that time, I had to give up CentOS on laptops, as both Wi-Fi and
> > graphics wasn't too well supported with CentOS 5 and 6.
> > Is the situation better now with CentOS 7?
> >
> > We're only allowed to buy the HP, Dell and Apple brands here at this
> > university, so what I'm looking at is basically HP. Apple is not of
> > interest > because of their pricing.
> 
> I'd prefer Dell, as I said in the post on low-end server, because Dell's
> support is decent or better. Also, Dell does know Linux on the server side
> - they offer RHEL... and their OMSA DVD boots... into CentOS. 
> 
> And about CentOS on laptops... I've got this circa 2009 HP Netbook. The
> ancient Ubuntu netbook-remix was way obsolete, so I needed to update it (I
> only use it while traveling, for email and browsing). I just dd'd a CentOS
> 6.9 i386 live iso to a flash drive (and I still HATE systemd)... and it
> booted. Perfectly. First time. Then I rebooted, and "install" is an
> option. Did that, and it worked perfectly.
> 
> Happy camper, here.

Seems like I need to get my hands on a recent HP and test this.
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Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Gary
> Stainburn
> Sent: den 2 november 2017 14:48
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?
> 
> I've got a HP Envy laptop and I'm fairly happy with it. The internal WiFi
> doesn't work with Centos but a £5 WiFi dongle sorted that. Oddly, it still
> stops working once the battery drops below 50% ish.
> 
> Mine is dual boot with Win8 which is pants. The biggest problem is that
> whenever I do much with the config, e.g. when I re-installed centos, the
> boot
> loader doesn't sort properly and I have to fiddle with it.
> 
> That's the reason I've not upgraded to Win10.
> 
> Video, sound, LAN, etc all work fine straight out of the box.

Thanks. 
Would you know what chipset that particular wifi-dongle is running?

A wifi-dongle may work, but I'm thinking it's not really desirable to go
that way.
I'm figuring the users will loose that dongle sooner than later! :-)
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[CentOS] HP laptops with CentOS 7?

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Hello all,

I'm looking into getting HP laptops for our department running CentOS 7.

Last time I checked this was some five or so years ago, and when I look at
https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops, nothing much seems to have happened
since.

At that time, I had to give up CentOS on laptops, as both Wi-Fi and graphics
wasn't too well supported with CentOS 5 and 6.
Is the situation better now with CentOS 7?

We're only allowed to buy the HP, Dell and Apple brands here at this
university, so what I'm looking at is basically HP. Apple is not of interest
because of their pricing.
All our desktops and laptops are HP's running Windows 7 and 10, and they
work fine. 
We do have some Dells, but only in the server area.
Currently all our CentOS 6 and 7 workstations are custom built OEMs used for
molecular modelling, but are now getting rather long in the tooth.
I have a laptop at the office as a backup, running Ubuntu 16 LTS, as that
was the only thing that found all the hardware properly at the time.
However, I'd rather not go down that particular road for various reasons.

The thing that interests me first and foremost is whether the latest CentOS
7 iteration will install right out of the box with all hardware properly
detected, no manual compiling of drivers or jumping through hoops to _maybe_
getting stuff to work with eg a HP Elitebook 850 G4.

Anybody care to chime in with a comment or hint on the laptop situation
and-or their experiences?

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Re: [CentOS] [External] /boot partition too small

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Toralf Lund
> Sent: den 12 oktober 2017 10:15
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [External] /boot partition too small
>
> >> Since a lot of people seem to say none of the above can be done, I'm
> >> starting to feel slightly unsure, but I though gparted could extend,
> >> shrink and move partitions while preserving data.
> >
> > You would be asking gparted to:
> > 1. Reach inside an LVM PV and shrink one filesystem and its LV,
> > 2. Rearrange the extents inside the PV to make free space at the 
> > beginning,
> > 3. Move the start of the PV and adjust all of the starting offsets for 
> > the LVs,
> > 4. Finally, enlarge partition 1 into the freed-up space.
> >
> > Even if gparted was willing to attempt that, there is no way I would
> > trust it to do it correctly.
> Quite. I'd never try this without a backup, of course. In fact, I've
> only ever used gparted in situations where I had a system dump already.
> Still, it could save you from a bit of work, as in, if it does succeed,
> you won't have to do a full recovery.  Also, I'm not really sure about
> the state of the LVM support, now that you mention it. (But there is
> supposed to be *something* in that area.)

Supposedly the below tool should be able to handle LVM volumes, and is 
bootable from CD. It costs though.

https://www.partitionwizard.com/partition-wizard-bootable-cd.html

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Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 11 oktober 2017 07:57
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of KM
> > Sent: den 10 oktober 2017 21:06
> > To: centos@centos.org; Phil Perry <ppe...@elrepo.org>
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small
> >
> >  Do i need to do something special or is it as easy as:
> > - save the contents of the current /boot - umount /boot and change the
> > /etc/fstab so it doesn't mount again-  create a boot directory that is
in
> > the root  filesystem- copy the contents back
> > I realize the physical/current /boot will be a waste of space but it's
not
> > that
> > big so it's fine.
> > I thought i probably have to make configuration changes of some sort.
> > Again I apologize in advance since I am not really good at this
> > (partition/file
> > system).  I have tried searching but am never sure exactly what I should
> > try.   I need to find the "for dummies" version(s) of this. Thanks
again.
> > KM
> 
> Assuming you have backups, if something should go south, you might want
> to try
> out the Gparted boot-iso.
> 
> Using Gparted you should be able to shrink some of the other partitions,
and
> then grow the boot partition.
> 
> More info on:
> https://gparted.org/index.php
> 
> If you have another non-critical computer to test using Gparted on, do
that
> first before doing it "for real".
> 
> Hope this helps.

Wait a sec, this was LVM right?
Not sure if Gparted supports that yet.

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Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of KM
> Sent: den 10 oktober 2017 21:06
> To: centos@centos.org; Phil Perry 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small
>
>  Do i need to do something special or is it as easy as:
> - save the contents of the current /boot - umount /boot and change the
> /etc/fstab so it doesn't mount again-  create a boot directory that is in
> the root  filesystem- copy the contents back
> I realize the physical/current /boot will be a waste of space but it's not 
> that
> big so it's fine.
> I thought i probably have to make configuration changes of some sort.
> Again I apologize in advance since I am not really good at this 
> (partition/file
> system).  I have tried searching but am never sure exactly what I should
> try.   I need to find the "for dummies" version(s) of this. Thanks again.
> KM

Assuming you have backups, if something should go south, you might want to try 
out the Gparted boot-iso.

Using Gparted you should be able to shrink some of the other partitions, and 
then grow the boot partition.

More info on:
https://gparted.org/index.php

If you have another non-critical computer to test using Gparted on, do that 
first before doing it "for real".

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Re: [CentOS] /boot partition too small

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of KM
> Sent: den 10 oktober 2017 15:55
> To: CentOS Mailing List 
> Subject: [CentOS] /boot partition too small
>
> First off - let me say I am not an administrator.   I need to know if there 
> is an
> easy way to increase my /boot partition.  When I installed CentOS 6 after
> running 5, it was my oversight not to increase the /boot size.  it's too 
> small
> and I can't do yum updates.
> if it's not easy to actually increase it, is it safe to take a chunk in my 
> root
> filesystem (like /new.boot or something) and just mount it as /boot from
> now on so it uses the space or is that not a good idea?  I am sure I could 
> easily
> copy the rpms/kernel stuff over to it and then unmounts the real /boot and
> mount this new area as /boot.
> Can you administrators let me know what you think of all this?   Thanks in
> advance.

Been there done that.

A simple solution is to edit /etc/yum.conf and change the line

installonly_limit=5

to e.g.

installonly_limit=3

and see if that's enough with the existing boot partition size.

A "yum update" should delete the two oldest kernel images.


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Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4

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> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Phil Perry
> Sent: den 27 september 2017 20:47
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4
> 
> >> There was a bug with recent legacy releases that affected el7.4
kernels.
> >> We (elrepo) patched the driver to fix that on rhel7.4 releases. I'm not
> >> sure but it _may_ have been fixed in the 340.104 driver released last
> >> week - I've not bothered building it as the changelog only mentions
> >> "Improved compatibility with recent Linux kernels" which we
> >> patched/fixed in our the previous release and other issues which don't
> >> affect kmods on RHEL.
> >>
> >> So it sounds like a known issue which has already been fixed. If you
> >> don't want to use our packages, maybe take a look at the patch and try
> >> applying it to your build.
> >
> > Tested 340.76, 340.102, 340.104 (elrepo and proprietary).
> > No luck over here with a GTX260 and the 64b-drivers.
> >
> > Will test some more, if still no luck, I'll just reinstall from scratch.
> >
> 
> 
> The kmod-nvidia-340xx-340.102-4.el7_4.elrepo.x86_64.rpm driver should
> work for your card on el7.4.
> 
> All previous releases in elrepo were for el7.3 (and earlier) and are not
> compatible with the el7.4 series kernel.

My trouble-shooting yesterday just before I went home from work showed that
it seemed to have been gdm that borked out for some reason. I've never had
that happen to me, regardless of CentOS version.
Installing lightdm brought everything backup as expected.

Has anybody else had gdm act up?

Weird in any case.

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Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Phil Perry
> Sent: den 26 september 2017 21:46
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4
> 
> On 26/09/17 18:40, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > This is really frustrating. I've got a server with two K20c Tesla cards.
I
> > need to use the proprietary drivers to use the CUDA toolkit. Btw, I had
no
> > trouble at all with building for CentOS 7.3
> >
> > I have what NVidia claims is the correct driver package, a 340 series.
It
> > appears to build, but then fails to load. The only error I see is "no
such
> > device", which makes no sense to me, esp. since it says nothing whatever
> > else.
> >
> > I've gone through the install log, and there are a bunch of Note:, and
> > warnings, but the later I think are all about comparing signed and
> > unsigned integers.
> >
> > And lsmod shows no nvidia drivers registered, but the logs claims that
> > Error: Driver 'nvidia' is already registered, aborting...
> >
> > Anyone got any ideas?
> >
> > mark
> >
> 
> You don't say which version of the 340 series driver you have tried.
> 
> There was a bug with recent legacy releases that affected el7.4 kernels.
> We (elrepo) patched the driver to fix that on rhel7.4 releases. I'm not
> sure but it _may_ have been fixed in the 340.104 driver released last
> week - I've not bothered building it as the changelog only mentions
> "Improved compatibility with recent Linux kernels" which we
> patched/fixed in our the previous release and other issues which don't
> affect kmods on RHEL.
> 
> So it sounds like a known issue which has already been fixed. If you
> don't want to use our packages, maybe take a look at the patch and try
> applying it to your build.

Tested 340.76, 340.102, 340.104 (elrepo and proprietary). 
No luck over here with a GTX260 and the 64b-drivers.

Will test some more, if still no luck, I'll just reinstall from scratch.

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Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> Kovacs
> Sent: den 26 september 2017 23:47
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Semi-OT: hardware: NVidia proprietary driver, C7.4
> 
> Le 26/09/2017 à 19:59, Scott Robbins a écrit :
> > Why not use the elrepo repo? They've worked flawlessly for me, both with
> > legacy and new cards.
> 
> I know this is weird, but I've had cases where the downloaded NVidia
> driver worked and the ELRepo driver didn't, and the other way around.
> 
> Details here: https://blog.microlinux.fr/nvidia-centos/


After upgrading from 7.3 to 7.4 the GUI won't start anymore. Using and Nvidia 
GTX260 with the elrepo drivers. Am investigating, but so far zip...

Is the article above provided available in English?


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Re: [CentOS] yum groupinstall vs. yum group install

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> Kovacs
> Sent: den 25 september 2017 08:46
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS] yum groupinstall vs. yum group install
>
> Is there a difference between 'yum groupinstall' and 'yum group
> install'? As far as I can tell,
>
>   # yum groupinstall "X Window System"
>
> and
>
>   # yum group install "X Window System"
>
> get me the same result.
>
> Just curious.

I believe the second one doesn't work on C6, or if it was the other way 
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Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems installing/updating recently

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hogarth
> Sent: den 22 september 2017 12:14
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems
> installing/updating recently
> 
>> I know that many prefer EPEL packages but sometimes life gets ahead of
us...
> 
> So far as owncloud in EPEL/CentOS is concerned it's not actually lagging
> that badly ... the most recent 9.1.X release is 9.1.6 and it's only a few
> minor bugfixes for the large part over the 9.1.5 in the EPEL repo.
> 
> https://owncloud.org/changelog/
> 
> Do note that when I push 9.1.6 (which will be soon now I have a little
> time) it'll probably be close to the last owncloud package in EPEL7 at the
> least ... I'll include an EOL/retirement notice in the package when I get
> around to it and will mail here and epel-devel and epel-announce mailing
> lists.
> 
> The 10.x release of owncloud bumps the minimum PHP version to 5.6 ...
> which
> is obviously not in base repos and I'm not permitted to depend on packages
> in SCL or 3rd party repos in EPEL.
> 
> The nextcloud package is in a worse state as things stand ... the version
> that can be in EPEL is officially EOL ... I'll push out a 10.0.6 release
> soon with the EOL notice and email about this. From 11 onwards they
require
> PHP5.6+ as well.
> 
> For now my recommendation for owncloud or nextcloud is to use their most
> recent manual tarball/zip install and PHP 7.1 from your preferred choice
of
> IUS, RemiRepo or SCL ... or run their official containers.
> 
> I hope to have a container option soon(ish) as part of the Fedora
Container
> Service initiative that would allow you to run the Fedora based version
> easily, which would bypass the PHP version issues but that needs me to
> have time to get all the dependency issues sorted and carry out the Fedora
> upgrades.
> 
> Reminder that I have a job and family and 2 year old daughter ... time to
> do all this is precious and if you want to see this happen then help is
> always welcome :)
> 
> James


Just to make sure, I in no way complain about how things are with EPEL. I'm
happy as is.

Take your time with the family, they are indeed precious. 
Failed OC and php installs and tests on the end-user side can be redone. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems installing/updating recently

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 21 september 2017 17:25
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems
> installing/updating recently
> 
> 
> On Thu, September 21, 2017 1:00 am, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> >> Kovacs
> >> Sent: den 20 september 2017 18:55
> >> To: centos@centos.org
> >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems
> >> installing/updating recently
> >>
> >> > Does anybody have any suggestion? Am I the only one (thus, making my
> >> > "pilot error"), or others have the same? Did someone find workaround?
> >>
> >> The SUSE repository works perfectly. There has been a transition period
> >> with overlapping dependencies in this repository and EPEL. What I did
> >> was simply remove all packages and reinstall the owncloud-client
> >> package. This repository is also always up-to-date, whereas the EPEL
> >> package is regularly lagging behind.
> >
> > Not just you Valeri. Thought it was a bit fishy as well, but figured
I'd,
> > as
> > Nicolas mentions, doing a uninstall and then reinstall things might
solve
> > the
> > problems.
> >
> 
> Thanks Nicolas and Sorin! Once I learned from you about another source of
> owncloud packages (EPEL), I found my way out of suse repository timing out
> on me...
> 
> Valeri

You're welcome.

I also use the yum-priorities plugin. I find it sometimes plays tricks on
me.
You might want to look into that and shuffle the set priorities, if you use
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-
> cent.us
> Sent: den 21 september 2017 15:55
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini
> 
> Y'all should note the existence of yum-posttransaction-actions, which
> allows you to create scripts to be automagically run after a yum update.
> I, specifically, use it to keep apcupsd from either screaming and
> screaming, as happens with an extension, by just using sed -i to change
> /etc/apcupsd/appcontrol (which is *not* a configuration file, and so is
> overwritten) so that SHUTDOWN=/bin/false, rather than /sbin/shutdown

That's a new one for me, thanks for the headsup!


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hogarth
> Sent: den 21 september 2017 15:51
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini
> 
> When you have different applications with different needs it's best to
> either use mod_php specific directives within that virtualhost such as
here:
> 
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/owncloud/blob/master/f/owncloud-
> defaults.inc
> 
> Or honestly better still to not use mod_php and instead switch to php-fpm
> with separate application pools which each have their own php settings
like
> this nginx based setup:
> 
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/owncloud/blob/master/f/owncloud-
> conf-nginx.conf
> 
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/owncloud/blob/master/f/owncloud-el7-
> php-fpm.conf

Would that be true even for really small installs. Like running one server
with one, maybe two services relying on php?
It feels rather over the top.

I use Apache and php because most good howto's out there are based on those
assumptions.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> Kovacs
> Sent: den 21 september 2017 11:05
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS] CentOS 7: changes to php.ini
>
> I'm hosting a few web apps like OwnCloud, Wordpress and Dolibarr on
> CentOS 7 that require a handful of changes to php.ini. I have to define
> some custom values for post_max_size, upload_max_filesize, etc.
>
> I don't know if I'm supposed to edit /etc/php.ini directly or if changes
> should be put in a configuration file stub in /etc/php.d. For example, I
> followed the recommendations of a fellow CentOS user and defined
> date.timezone by edit /etc/php.d/date.ini like this.
>
> [Date]
> ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions
> ; http://php.net/date.timezone
> date.timezone = Europe/Paris
>
> Am I supposed to do something similar for other PHP variables?

In the beginning I edited those values in php.ini.
Got tired of having to remake the changes in php.ini, whenever php-updates 
were installed, so eventually began setting the needed values directly in the 
Owncloud-GUI.

Dates however are a different thing. I really always want to see and use 
ISO-dates and times regardless of it's OC or whatever - so I edit the php.ini 
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Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of H
> Sent: den 21 september 2017 00:35
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement
> 
> I have installed keypass2android on my phones which should be able to use
> the same database but have not tried it to see how to actually use a
> password manager on a touchscreen device... Apparently there are also
> concerns about apps having "unlimited" access to the clipboard so one
> should use the keepass2android keyboard. Sounds like a hassle...

Incidentally a colleague suggested Lastpass. He however uses it with a
YUBI-dongle though.

Installed Googles Authenticator on my Android phone to test stuff, which is
"sort of" a similar take as the dongle.

Do any of you also use a Yubi-dongle for securing stuff like this?
I feel it seems like a hassle with another gadget to keep track of.

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Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems installing/updating recently

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas
> Kovacs
> Sent: den 20 september 2017 18:55
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] owncloud on CentOS - I have problems
> installing/updating recently
>
> > Does anybody have any suggestion? Am I the only one (thus, making my
> > "pilot error"), or others have the same? Did someone find workaround?
>
> The SUSE repository works perfectly. There has been a transition period
> with overlapping dependencies in this repository and EPEL. What I did
> was simply remove all packages and reinstall the owncloud-client
> package. This repository is also always up-to-date, whereas the EPEL
> package is regularly lagging behind.

Not just you Valeri. Thought it was a bit fishy as well, but figured I'd, as 
Nicolas mentions, doing a uninstall and then reinstall things might solve the 
problems.


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Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

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-Original Message-
From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri Galtsev
Sent: den 19 september 2017 17:16
To: CentOS mailing list 
Subject: Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

> OT-sidetrack:
>
> What is/are a good cloud-less password manager if I'd need it in a
> cross-platform scenario;  Windows, CentOS, Ubuntu and Android?
>
> A cloud enabled manager would be okay I guess if I could move the password
> database to say my own private cloud and be able to access it from there
> from all platforms.
>
> KeepassX seemed like a good choice until I found out it didn't do Android.

When I mentioned I use KeePassX on FreeBSD, Linux, Windows and Android, I
failed to mention the name of Android application I access KeePassX
database with. It is

KeePassDroid

With KeePassDroid in the mix all of your system choices seem to be covered.


I also didn't mention that when we choose application like that we
investigate how well security wise the author(s) thought it through.
KeePassX shined in that respect from multiple prospectives. I joined then
the support for nomination of KeeePassX author for award (never new if he
won that). One of the features I remember that impressed me: it creates
encryption key from your passphrase by hashing that about 1,000,000 times
over and over again. This basically slows brute force attack by the same
factor. That time I estimated that if I lost, say, my pocket device and
bad guys got hold of my keepassx encrypted password database, they will
need about a Month to crack that if they have at their disposal whole
composed computing power of my University. So, I have plenty of time to
change all passwords if that happens.

This if why we stay with the tools we chose for long-long time: it takes
significant effort to select the great ones. It is almost same costly
effort as hiring new employee.

Just my $0.02

Valeri

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Thanks Valeri!

I've until now stayed away from password managers, so I can't really tell
which ones are "okay" to use from a security point.

Googling for "best secure password manager list" gives everybody and their
dogs opinions.

Suggestions from users on this list ranks higher in my book. ;-)

Now, this KeePassDroid though. Is it trustable?
As they say, no chain is stronger than the weakest link.

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Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

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-Original Message-
From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Leon Fauster
Sent: den 19 september 2017 13:44
To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
Subject: Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

> Am 19.09.2017 um 11:18 schrieb Sorin Srbu <sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se>:
> 
> Suggestions greatly appreciated!

https://www.passwordstore.org/

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Thanks!

Is Passwordstora a de facto-standard with many of you on this list?


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Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

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-Original Message-
From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of FHDATA
Sent: den 18 september 2017 18:10
To: CentOS mailing list 
Subject: Re: [CentOS] KeePassX replacement

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

>> You may have reasons to prefer KeePassX over KeePass 2, though.
>
> I for one use keepassx. My password database is synchronized between
> variety of systems, and I can view/edit it on: CentOS, FreeBSD, MS
> Windows, Android (and should be able on any derivatives of those). I
> didn't try iOS as currently I don't have a need in that.
>
> Incidentally, does anybody know if there is any necessity in keepassx to
> be patched? Did I read the original post correctly: there is no activity
> on the development site for long time? Should there be any? (As, I would
> say for comparison: cvs is so established software that there is no
> development to expect, only if there are any security holes found those
> need to be patched). Any insight on KeePassX anybody?
>
> Valeri

hello

using keepassx probably for 10 years or so across linux,win,mac,ios

in late 2015 there was a security issue found and folks @ keepassx.org
patched it fairly  quickly and patch propagated
up to epel quickly as well ...

passwd manager {non-cloud ones} , in my opinion,
is a "static"  concept ...
unless no issues with the underlying frameworks,
what's there to patch ...

-

OT-sidetrack: 

What is/are a good cloud-less password manager if I'd need it in a
cross-platform scenario;  Windows, CentOS, Ubuntu and Android?

A cloud enabled manager would be okay I guess if I could move the password
database to say my own private cloud and be able to access it from there
from all platforms.

KeepassX seemed like a good choice until I found out it didn't do Android.

Suggestions greatly appreciated!

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

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-Original Message-
From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
Sent: den 19 september 2017 10:01
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

Le 19/09/2017 à 09:48, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> I agree however, everytime I want to mess with OC I get to do the php-dance...
> Irritating, but I guess that's the deal if you want the stability and 
> compatibility CentOS is offering.

This may be a very far-fetched idea, but here goes. I don't know much
about Docker, just fiddled around with it a couple hours in a VM. Since
I have to host various PHP applications with different requirements
(some require 5.4, some 5.6, some 7.0), I wonder if it would be a
solution in theory to host several PHP versions (e. g. several different
LAMP servers) on the same physical machine using Docker.

Any suggestions?



For me that would be over-kill, but for others that have bigger solutions it 
might be a good idea.
Docker is however bit of a white area on my map, here there be dragons. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

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-Original Message-
From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
Sent: den 19 september 2017 09:37
To: CentOS mailing list 
Subject: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

Hi,

I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.

In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.

1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
Which is fine.

2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
backports.

3. The solution would be to go with Nextcloud 10, which only requires
PHP 5.4, and which is also provided in package form by EPEL. 'yum info
nextcloud' shows that the current EPEL version is 10.0.4... but a peek
on the Nextcloud homepage shows me that this version is officially
unsupported. Uh oh.

4. Some of the stuff I'm hosting on my CentOS 7 server (like CMSMS) is
not compatible with PHP 7.x versions.

So right now I don't see a solution for this. As far as I can see, the
"least evil" solution would be to pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic and go
for Nextcloud 11.x, and have an EOL for both around next summer.

I'd be curious if some of you are familiar with this sort of dilemma (I
guess so) and how you manage it.






Been there, still doing that.

At work we have an OC-server v9 running off of CentOS 7.3 on which I installed 
PHP 5.6. I don't dare installing PHP 7 in case something breaks.

On my own private OC at home, I have OC v10 running with PHP 7.0.
The only other service I have on that service is Piwigo which runs just fine 
with that php-version.

I agree however, everytime I want to mess with OC I get to do the php-dance...
Irritating, but I guess that's the deal if you want the stability and 
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 6.9 i386 and x86_64

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Leon Fauster
> Sent: den 5 april 2017 17:01
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 6.9 i386
> and x86_64
> 
> > We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of CentOS Linux
> > 6.9 and install media for i386 and x86_64 Architectures. Release Notes
> > for 6.9 are available at:
> >
> > http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS6.9
> >
> > CentOS Linux 6.9 is derived from source code released by Red Hat, Inc.
> > for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9. All upstream variants have been placed
> > into one combined repository to make it easier for end users.
> > Workstation, server, and minimal installs can all be done from our
> > combined repository. All of our testing is only done against this
> > combined distribution.
> 
> Thank you very much!

+1!

Thanks guys, this is much appreciated!

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Re: [CentOS] firewalld management on a headless server

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
> Sent: den 28 mars 2017 09:28
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] firewalld management on a headless server
> 
> On 3/27/2017 10:20 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > That reminded me about Smoothwall I used to use a few years back.
> > Wasn't pfsense related to Smoothwall, maybe even a fork?
> 
> smoothwall is linux based.
> 
> m0n0wall was a BSD firewall that pfSense forked from back in 2004.

Ah, my mistake. Thanks for the heads up.

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Re: [CentOS] firewalld management on a headless server

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 27 mars 2017 23:43
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] firewalld management on a headless server
> 
> 
> On Mon, March 27, 2017 3:58 pm, Mike wrote:
> > I don't think it's going to give you a web-based firewall configuration
> > tool.
> 
> Firewall/router system I use is pfSense:
> 
> https://pfsense.org/
> 
> It has nice web interface for configuration of everything, based on
> FreeBSD (very slim, lightweight, small footprint). Has a lot what you may
> want to have in router box, including VPN,... If OP is not married to what
> he currently uses I would recommend to try pfSense.

That reminded me about Smoothwall I used to use a few years back.
Wasn't pfsense related to Smoothwall, maybe even a fork?

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Re: [CentOS] Noise Cancellation of Server Noise

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
> Sent: den 24 december 2016 23:18
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Noise Cancellation of Server Noise
> 
> On 12/24/2016 1:57 PM, Digimer wrote:
> > There are rack chassis designed to reduce noise. An example are the APC
> > NetShelter CS line.
> >
> > http://www.apc.com/shop/ca/en/categories/racks-and-accessories/racks-
> and-enclosures/netshelter-cx/_/N-1ks6cn2
> 
> wow, $9100 for the 38U rack.thats pricey... and that's before PDUs,
> UPS, and all that other important rack mount stuff.

This is what I use to get rid of that droning noise from the computers in my
office, and also the ventilation.

http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/1c7efaa15727a938/

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Valeri
> Galtsev
> Sent: den 19 december 2016 17:29
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> 
> On Mon, December 19, 2016 12:41 am, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of
> >> geo.inbox.ignored
> >> Sent: den 16 december 2016 15:03
> >> To: centos@centos.org
> >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/16/2016 07:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >> > On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
> >> <<>>
> >>
> >> >> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev <galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu? her
> >> department
> >> >> is near what you had marked on chigo map.
> >> >
> >> > I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
> >> >
> >> }}
> >>
> >> aware that Valeri is 'both ways'. 8=)
> >>
> >> did not know which way you are. ;=)
> >>
> >> some with weird names are weirder than their names. in many ways.
> >
> > You guys are just hillarious... X-D
> 
> Believe it or not: just the other day I saw _your_ spelling of the word
> hilarious: hillarious - implying "voted for "Hillary" ;-)
> 
> Valeri (in attempt to stay hilarious)

I apologise, no politics were intended!
FWIW, English is not my native language, and I tend to add letters following
the spelling rules of my own native language out of habit or figuring I'm
doing it right using UK English (which is what I learned in school). :-)


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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Lamar
> Owen
> Sent: den 16 december 2016 17:11
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> On 12/16/2016 01:35 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Do you use Exchange at your workplace as well?
> 
> No.

Thanks.

I'll just add this to the list of things to learn to live with.

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of
> geo.inbox.ignored
> Sent: den 16 december 2016 15:03
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/16/2016 07:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> > On Fri, December 16, 2016 4:15 am, geo.inbox.ignored wrote:
> <<>>
> 
> >> btw; do you know Valeri Galtsev  department
> >> is near what you had marked on chigo map.
> >
> > I'm a boy ;-) (yes, some names are weird)
> >
> }}
> 
> aware that Valeri is 'both ways'. 8=)
> 
> did not know which way you are. ;=)
> 
> some with weird names are weirder than their names. in many ways.

You guys are just hillarious... X-D

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Lamar
> Owen
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 16:45
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> On 12/15/2016 02:03 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Recently, like the last week or so, I've started getting blank emails
from
> > this list.
> > Blank as in no message text is visible in the email.
> > ...
> > Has anybody else seen this, or is just me?
> I have seen blank body (but still with the list's .sig) emails for a
> while on my android phone.  The email shows up fine in Thunderbird on
> CentOS (well, I say 'fine' when in reality it was unbearably tiny text
> until I installed the 'no small text' extension; the CentOS 7
> Thunderbird does not have some of the knobs you are supposed to adjust
> to fix this (it's the font size for the message encoding, and the
> encoding needed is not in the dropdowns in the C7 Thunderbird, and I'm
> assuming that's an upstream issue, but I've not taken the time to file a
> bug report yet) so an extension is required.  The thread preview pane
> still has unbearably tiny text, but at least when opening the message
> the text is large enough to read; the Thunderbird tiny text problem is a
> well-known one).
> 
> Several messages from Karanbir and Johnny were some that the android
> phone (Samsung Galaxy S5) shows an empty (except for the .sig) body.
> Again, not something I've taken the time to file a bug report on, since
> I mainly read the CentOS lists on my laptop after Thunderbird's filters
> pull them in my CentOS lists folders (which pulls them to local folders
> and off of the imap server).

Do you use Exchange at your workplace as well?

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of geo
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 12:32
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> >>> Am I looking for something in particular?
> >>>
> >> }}
> >>
> >> when you look at source, look for something like;
> >>
> >>Content-Type:
> >>Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> >>
> >> which tells how email body is written.
> >
> > Yes, map coordinates. :-)
> > See below.
> >
> > X-CanIt-Geo: ip=208.100.23.70; country=US; region=Illinois;
city=Chicago;
> > latitude=41.8776; longitude=-87.6272;
> > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.8776,-87.6272=6
> >
> }}
> 
> possibly something your email client or source reader is adding?
> 
> ria, i know Frank is not in chicago.

Could be. Exchange does a lot of weird things, as I understood it from the
central IT-support.

> read my sig, then install thunderbird.

LOL!

Well, it T-bird doesn't do Exchange very well.
At least not when I tried a few months ago. :-)

In any case, I'll toss this to the mentioned central support and the mail
admins. See if they can make heads or tails of this, other than reinstall
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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of
> geo.inbox.ignored
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 11:28
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> 
> 
> > Ok, can view the source now.
> > AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> > Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville
Theatre
> > etc.
> 
> 'GPS' ???
> 
> if you mean;
> 
>   (static24-72-131-56.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca  [24.72.131.56])
>   (mutt.melvilletheatre.net [192.168.0.3])
> 
> those are ip addresses, 'internet protocol addresses'.
> 
> 1st is Frank's isp, 'internet service provider'.
> 2nd is Frank's local network.
> 
> 
> > Am I looking for something in particular?
> >
> }}
> 
> when you look at source, look for something like;
> 
>Content-Type:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> 
> which tells how email body is written.

Yes, map coordinates. :-)
See below.

X-CanIt-Geo: ip=208.100.23.70; country=US; region=Illinois; city=Chicago;
latitude=41.8776; longitude=-87.6272;
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.8776,-87.6272=6

Looked for the encoding and content types but couldn't see anything that
might be a concern. 
The problem seems to occur with all sorts of content types and encoding.
I've now installed Office 2016, and the same problem occurs, only worse. Now
it's with nearly all mail.

Dammit' Microsoft...

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John
> Hodrien
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 10:13
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> 
> > Ok, can view the source now.
> > AFAICT, it looks "normal".
> > Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville
Theatre
> > etc.
> >
> > Am I looking for something in particular?
> 
> I was assuming you were looking for the message text.
> 
> Exchange has always seemed to struggle with various multipart emails, and
I've
> seen signed messages come through as blank, but you can view the content
in
> the source.

Aha, I thought I was looking for settings or some such. :-)

In any case, Outlook seems to show the message text if I double-click the
message as opposed to viewing it in the reading pane.

It's probably got nothing to do with the list itself.

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:16
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cox
> > Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:10
> > To: centos@centos.org
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +
> > Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >
> > I haven't seen what you describe myself.
> >
> > > I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
> > > Our work mail server at work is Exchange.
> >
> > Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's
> > actually there.
> 
> Hi and thanks for the swift feedback!
> 
> Outlook doesn't do that by itself, but I have an addin that might help -
> Pocketknife Peek - if it's still compatible with this version of Outlook.

Ok, can view the source now.
AFAICT, it looks "normal". 
Lots of filtering, scores, senders, GPS-coordinates to the Melville Theatre
etc.

Am I looking for something in particular?

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

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> -Original Message-
> From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cox
> Sent: den 15 december 2016 08:10
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list
> 
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:03:53 +
> Sorin Srbu wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen what you describe myself.
> 
> > I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
> > Our work mail server at work is Exchange.
> 
> Does Outlook 2013 allow you to "View Message Source"?  If so, see what's
> actually there.

Hi and thanks for the swift feedback!

Outlook doesn't do that by itself, but I have an addin that might help -
Pocketknife Peek - if it's still compatible with this version of Outlook.


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[CentOS] OT: Blank mails from this list

[Sorin Srbu]

Hi all,

I apologise for this off-topic question, but wanted to hear from a
third-party as well.

Recently, like the last week or so, I've started getting blank emails from
this list.
Blank as in no message text is visible in the email.

If I do a ctrl-A however, something does get marked. Evidently there is a
message, just not visible.

This particular list is the only one I've noticed this problem with.

I use Outlook 2013 32b on Win7 x64.
Our work mail server at work is Exchange.

Has anybody else seen this, or is just me?

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Re: [CentOS] Centos.org down??

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Syam G Krishnan
> Sent: den 16 november 2016 10:45
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS] Centos.org down??
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Is there any problem with www.centos.org?
> It seems down for me, was trying since last two weeks.

It's you.

Works fine from Sweden.

Tried http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/?

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Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
> Sent: den 3 november 2016 09:51
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud
> 
> Le 03/11/2016 à 09:31, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> > Something like this maybe?
> >
> > http://askubuntu.com/questions/69305/how-do-i-disable-the-calendar-
> events-se
> > ction-in-gnome-shells-clock-applet
> 
> Exactly. Except this doesn't seem to work under CentOS 7. The mentioned
> file doesn't exist here. As for the "Nothing To Do" extension, it's beta
> software, and I don't know how to install that extension since I'm new
> to GNOME (Xfce and KDE user).
> 
> What now?

Do you have to use Gnome 3?
I'm thinking it might be easier to disable in Gnome 2.

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Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
> Sent: den 3 november 2016 09:16
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud
> 
> Le 03/11/2016 à 08:41, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> > I use Thunderbird exclusively on my linux-systems.
> > I also feel the Lightning-addin for calendars in T-bird needs "some"
work to
> > be usable.
> >
> > While I don't use my Owncloud for mail, only used as a cloud storage, I
have
> > however used Evolution. In that context Evolution with CentOS sucks.
It's just
> > plain ugly and not a bit intuitive IMHO.
> 
> With a minimal GNOME desktop installed (no Evolution, no Thunderbird),
> the system menu shows the clock in the upper right corner of the screen.
> When you click on that, you get a little overview window sporting a
> calendar on the left side and an (empty) list of appointments on the
> right side. Unfortunately that preview window seems to be preconfigured
> for Evolution only, so I wonder if there's any way to get rid of it.

Something like this maybe?

http://askubuntu.com/questions/69305/how-do-i-disable-the-calendar-events-se
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Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
> Sent: den 3 november 2016 06:59
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS] Thunderbird vs. Evolution vs. OwnCloud
>
> I'm currently using Thunderbird synced to OwnCloud on my main
> workstation running Slackware64 14.1. I just installed CentOS 7 on my
> Asus S300 laptop. It's running nicely, and I'm spending some time
> getting acquainted with it.
>
> I wonder if I should stick with Thunderbird or go with the default
> Evolution application, since this seems to be better integrated into the
> desktop, namely the calendar function.
>
> On the other hand, it seems like you have to jump through burning loops
> to connect Evolution to OwnCloud.
>
> What are your experiences with these two clients and OwnCloud? Any
> suggestions?

I use Thunderbird exclusively on my linux-systems.
I also feel the Lightning-addin for calendars in T-bird needs "some" work to 
be usable.

While I don't use my Owncloud for mail, only used as a cloud storage, I have 
however used Evolution. In that context Evolution with CentOS sucks. It's just 
plain ugly and not a bit intuitive IMHO.

My workaround is to just connect to my calendars (Google Calendar) with a web 
browser.

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Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gordon Messmer
> Sent: den 26 oktober 2016 08:25
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?
> 
> On 10/25/2016 10:41 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > Never mind. Found this to start with.
> 
> 
> Additionally, see the man page for "md".

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Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of John R Pierce
> Sent: den 26 oktober 2016 07:42
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?
> 
> On 10/25/2016 11:54 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > If you built a RAID0 array of RAID6 arrays, then you'd fail a disk by
> > marking it failed and removing it from whichever RAID6 array it was a
> > member of, in the same fashion as you'd remove it from any other array
> > type.
> 
> FWIW, what I've done in the past is build the raid 6's with mdraid, then
> use LVM to stripe them into a volume group.

What's the advantage doing it that way?

Ease of maintenance maybe?

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Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?

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> > -Original Message-
> > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gordon Messmer
> > Sent: den 25 oktober 2016 20:54
> > To: CentOS mailing list 
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?
> >
> > That's not really a shortcut, per se.  RAID10 in Linux is not
> > necessarily similar to RAID1+0.  The default, "near" layout is the
> > classic 1+0 layout, but other modes of operation are supported by the
> > RAID10 driver.
> 
> You mention modes however.
> I don't recall seeing any particular info on that.
> 
> Care to elaborate a bit on that, if it's not too OT?


Never mind. Found this to start with.

http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/linux-a-unix/35-linux-software-raid-10
-layouts-performance-near-far-and-offset-benchmark-analysis.html?start=1

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Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gordon Messmer
> Sent: den 25 oktober 2016 20:54
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?
> 
> On 10/25/2016 05:41 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > I found a shortcut for creating a software RAID 10 ("--level=10"),
device in
> > CentOS 6.
> 
> That's not really a shortcut, per se.  RAID10 in Linux is not
> necessarily similar to RAID1+0.  The default, "near" layout is the
> classic 1+0 layout, but other modes of operation are supported by the
> RAID10 driver.

Thanks for the clarification.
Close enough though, for my intended use!

You mention modes however. 
I don't recall seeing any particular info on that.

Care to elaborate a bit on that, if it's not too OT?


> > Besides, I haven't found any way to fail a member disk, as is possible
to do
> > when using RAID level 10.
> 
> If you built a RAID0 array of RAID6 arrays, then you'd fail a disk by
> marking it failed and removing it from whichever RAID6 array it was a
> member of, in the same fashion as you'd remove it from any other array
> type.

Aha, thanks!


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[CentOS] "Shortcut" for creating a software RAID 60?

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Hello all,

Testing stuff virtually over here before taking it to the physical servers.

I found a shortcut for creating a software RAID 10 ("--level=10"), device in
CentOS 6.

Looking at the below, I don't see anything about a shortcut for RAID 60.
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/htm
l/Storage_Administration_Guide/s1-raid-levels.html

Is RAID 60 an uncommon RAID-configuration, as compared to RAID 10, and this
might be why it's missing?

Not too cumbersome to first create two RAID 6-arrays, then add them to a
RAID 0, but it does take some extra time.
Besides, I haven't found any way to fail a member disk, as is possible to do
when using RAID level 10.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Frank Saporito
> Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 15:00
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
> 
> I looked at Mate Desktop for a CentOS 7 and recall having a problem:
> Disk Utility was not avail.  I find Disk Utility very handy for managing
> RAID.

I have it on my C7-box. 
It's called "Disks" and is in the menu Applications - Utilities.
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Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 13:25
> To: 'CentOS mailing list' <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> > Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 13:07
> > To: centos@centos.org
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
> >
> > > In that case I don't quite understand why you want a Windows-lookalike
> in
> > > linux.
> > [...]
> > I was hoping for a KDE theme that would be as close as possible to Win7
in
> > look and feel.
> 
> Gotcha', thanks.
> 
> 
> > BTW, I tried the CNet link but it didn't work. Thanks tho.
> 
> Probably got truncated. Try this instead; http://tinyurl.com/zpozp49.


Well, well. 8-)

https://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Win2-7(Pixmap)?content=118227

Please be aware of truncated URLs!

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Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 12:49
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
> 
> > > That's a shame, because I was hoping to use it for the same thing
> >
> > Would maybe this help?
> >
> >
https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-theme-for-linux-now-avail
able/
> 
> I'll have a look, but one of the reasons I'm hoping to get some people
onto
> Linux is because they hate Windows 8 / Windows 10

In that case I don't quite understand why you want a Windows-lookalike in
linux.



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Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 12:33
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
> 
> > > > The most important thing to not forget though, is to add and apply
the
> > > > Redmond theme!
> > >
> > > I didn't know there was such a thing.  I've gone into
> > > System Settings -> Workspace Theme ->  Desktop Theme
> > > but I can't find it anywhere. What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Come to think of it, I last used it on CentOS 5 (IIRC) when I
transferred
> > my mother to linux from Windows some time ago.
> >
> > It might not be available as a default theme anymore. 8-/
> 
> That's a shame, because I was hoping to use it for the same thing

Would maybe this help?

https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-theme-for-linux-now-avail
able/


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Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> Sent: den 4 oktober 2016 11:24
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
> 
> On Monday 03 October 2016 07:01:49 Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >
> > The most important thing to not forget though, is to add and apply the
> > Redmond theme!
> 
> I didn't know there was such a thing.  I've gone into
> System Settings -> Workspace Theme ->  Desktop Theme
> but I can't find it anywhere. What am I doing wrong?

Come to think of it, I last used it on CentOS 5 (IIRC) when I transferred my
mother to linux from Windows some time ago.

It might not be available as a default theme anymore. 8-/

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Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Valeri Galtsev
> Sent: den 30 september 2016 18:14
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Desktop for newbies
>
> >> > I'm about to set up a non-root user on a Centos=7 server that I
control
> >> > for a friend.  It is in his home, so access is local.  He's a refugee
> >> > from the latest Windows 10 Upgrade.  I'd like a suggestion as to
which of
> >> > the several possible graphical desktops to suggest to him and set up
for
> >> > him as his default.
> >> >
> >> > My aim is:
> >> > - Allow him to try out Linux as an end-user
> >> > - Let him start to feel comfortable with the desktop
> >> > - Learn the new idioms for familiar programs and functions
> >> >
> >> > And later
> >> > - Give him his own system with root privileges.

IMHO whatever DE (eg Gnome2, Mate or KDE) should work except for the
thinnest ones (eg xfce), which are are likely to be scary for a former
Windows refugee.

The most important thing to not forget though, is to add and apply the
Redmond theme!

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Gianluca Cecchi
> Sent: den 30 september 2016 14:22
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
> 
> > Worked fine. Seems to be a little sharper graphics now.
> >
> > Thanks!
> 
> Do you mean with freetype-freeworld or infinality?

Infinality.

It might be one of those imagination things.
When I looked this morning I didn't see any Wow!-difference I did last week.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 30 september 2016 09:40
> To: 'CentOS mailing list' <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
> 
> > >> fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615_1.noarch
> > >> freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64
> > > Thanks for the hint!
> > >
> > > Is there however something fishy with the
> > > freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64?
> > > It seems it cannot be found in the nux-dextop repo.
> > >
> >
> > I hadn't noticed that it disappeared.
> >
> > https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55936
> >
> > looks relevant, but I haven't experimented with "freetype-freeworld",
> > whatever that is...  the freetype-infinality RPM is apparently still
> > available via the link posted in that forum.
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up!
> 
> I'll give it a go during the day and see how it goes.

Worked fine. Seems to be a little sharper graphics now.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Bailey
> Sent: den 30 september 2016 08:30
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
> 
> >> Only additional thing I did was to install the "nux" repo, along with
> >> the infinality font rpms, which drastically improved font rendering.
> >> For some reason, the default C7 desktop never looked as good as the
> >> default C6 desktop until I installed:
> >>
> >> fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615_1.noarch
> >> freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64
> > Thanks for the hint!
> >
> > Is there however something fishy with the
> > freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64?
> > It seems it cannot be found in the nux-dextop repo.
> >
> 
> I hadn't noticed that it disappeared.
> 
> https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55936
> 
> looks relevant, but I haven't experimented with "freetype-freeworld",
> whatever that is...  the freetype-infinality RPM is apparently still
> available via the link posted in that forum.

Thanks for the heads-up!

I'll give it a go during the day and see how it goes.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Bailey
> Sent: den 30 september 2016 04:26
> To: CentOS mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
> 
> Only additional thing I did was to install the "nux" repo, along with
> the infinality font rpms, which drastically improved font rendering.
> For some reason, the default C7 desktop never looked as good as the
> default C6 desktop until I installed:
> 
> fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615_1.noarch
> freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64

Thanks for the hint!

Is there however something fishy with the
freetype-infinality-2.4.12-2.20130514_01.el7.nux.1.x86_64?
It seems it cannot be found in the nux-dextop repo.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative GUI

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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark LaPierre
> Sent: den 29 september 2016 01:26
> To: Mail List CentOS Users ; Mark LaPierre
> 
> Subject: [CentOS] Alternative GUI
>
> I'm considering moving from CentOS 6 to CentOS 7.  I'm not interested in
> dealing with Gnome 3.  I've heard good things about Mate, a fork of
> Gnome 2.  it appears that Mate is available in the EPEL repository
> associated with CentOS 7.
>
> Have any of you tried Mate on CentOS 7?  In your experienced opinion
> what would I be giving up by abandoning Gnome 3 and installing Mate
> instead?

Yupp, I have.
First thing I did after C7-installation was to install the complete 
Mate-shebang.
FWIW, I installed Ubuntu-Mate on my backup-laptop.

You're giving up a lot of grief and irritation when not finding stuff you've 
used for like ten years and having to relearn yet other things.
It's just not worth the hassle IMO.

I'm yet to miss anything Gnome 3 has to offer.
Gnome 3 might be good for some people, for others like me it's just a waste of 
time relearning stuff that worked just fine before Gnome 3.

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