Re: [CentOS] libre office
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:17:43 -0400 Michel Donais don...@telupton.com wrote: Why in 6.3 they move OpenOffice to LibreOffice? Please don't reply to another thread on a mailing list and change the subject. It screws up the message threading. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum yum or not?
Shaun cen...@stinkfish.org wrote: I just need to be really careful about the remove command in future. I've found that breaking things is always the fastest path to a great education. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] local repo question
I have created a local repo for CentOS 6 x86_64. try: cd /var/www/html/centos/6.2/updates/x86_64 createrepo . then chown -R all the files so they're readable by the web server. See if that updates the repodata properly. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5 Testing repo
Those php-5.2.x rpms were unmaintained and full of security issues, so they were removed. You likely do not want any of the RPMs that were there, though I do have some of them on our build server. I would HIGHLY recommend that you either use the 5.1.6 security patched c5 main tree php ... OR ... use the php53 from c5. If you absolutely HAVE to have 5.2.x, I would recommend these: Thanks. Yeah, the problem we've got is that we need to build some test recovery boxes exactly the same as the live servers, so sourcing new packages from external repos won't cut it unfortunately. Looks like we'll have to upgrade the lot and hope for the best. This time, I'll put any testing packages we use in our own repos. Once bitten, twice paranoid. :) Cheers -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5 Testing repo
We were using the CentOS 5 testing repo on dev.centos.org to update our webservers' PHP to 5.2. However, we've just tried building a new machine lately and found that the repo seems to be empty. Is this a temporary fault, or has it gone away now that CentOS 6 is out? If it has gone away, where can I grab PHP 5.2 packages from? Thanks. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] run without sendmail
Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote: I'm running centos on a limited environment. Is it ok to turn off sendmail and run without it. Are there issues with doing that or is all Ok. Mail delivery can still work with sendmail turned off. The daemon is just there to receive mail. This guy explains it better than I can: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/sendmail.html There's no reason to turn the MTA on unless you're running a mail server. Non-mail servers should just have a cron job flushing the submission queue just in case, but the MTA itself doesn't need to run. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] .XXX Domain Name / Trade Mark Protection
Please additionally note I thought, mistakenly it appears, I was being helpful and have taken notice of the objections. Please note, this is a mailing list for people to get help with CentOS. Nothing else. Most people here are old enough to figure out how to get their own news. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
the thing is that not all mail clients will set the in-reply-to headers, whuch is why clients like thunderbird, evolution and mutt will use the subject line as well to thread messages. Apple Mail does that too and it makes the threading unusable IMO. If the clients are too dumb to adhere to a convention, I don't believe it's our job to baby them. Personally, I like the idea of the [SOLVED] tags because they can indicate when help is no longer needed. However, I also like the way the Sun Managers list does (did? it's been many years since I used it), but they basically said, post a question, work it out, then post a new SOLVED thread outlining the solution. While that would probably be a bit too formal for this list, it was a fantastic way of learning things. And having the solved thread made searching through archives way easier. Find a problem related to yours, then look for the SOLVED post. If you needed more detail, you went back to the main thread and read all the posts to see how they came to that conclusion. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding the [SOLVED] Tag to break threads -- multiple factors
There is a fundamental problem with that - this list isnt a support list, its a list of and for people who use CentOS to talk about CentOS. By thinking of it as a one way support system you have reduced the list to essentially a bugtracker / issuetracker / support thread and that in itself defeats a very large part of what the list ( and community herein ) is about. Yep, that's kind of what I was meaning by saying it was a more formal approach, but you said it better. :) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos as Gateway ? (Router/transparent proxy)
On Mon, 2 May 2011 20:21:19 +0800 Fajar Priyanto fajar...@arinet.org wrote: Also worth considering is to upgrade the subscription to unlimited internet access. 1. There's no such thing as unlimited. There are always limits. You're thinking of flat rate. 2. Flat rate isn't available in every country. 3. Irrespective of cost, sometimes heavy downloading can eat into a connection's bandwidth and kill the connection for everyone else. In fact, upgrading to a flat rate plan encourages this kind of behaviour more. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos as Gateway ? (Router/transparent proxy)
On Mon, 2 May 2011 14:19:13 -0700 Drew drew@gmail.com wrote: 3. Irrespective of cost, sometimes heavy downloading can eat into a connection's bandwidth and kill the connection for everyone else. In fact, upgrading to a flat rate plan encourages this kind of behaviour more. If the ISP offer's flat rate or capped flat rate services and can't handle the load, that's their problem, not ours. It just means they didn't do their infrastructure capacity planning properly. I meant everyone else on that one connection, not the ISPs other customers. If you have a 3Mbit link, you are restricted to 3Mbit bandwidth. If someone is downloading hell for leather, then this will affect everyone else sharing that connection. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] log time formats - where is this defined
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:33:57 -0500 Rob Kampen rkam...@kampensonline.com wrote: One of my servers is using ISO datetime formats (2011-02-27T15:22:15.519857-05:00) in the logs the rest use the default redhat/CentOS format (Feb 27 15:10:21). After a couple of hours searching google I cannot find where this is defined. I know I changed it some months ago as an experiment but forgotten where this was done. the ISO format breaks logwatch - thus I need to revert. Have you changed that box to use rsyslog instead of the default syslog? If so, there's a post on HowToForge with some info on how to put it back into traditional format: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49642 More detail is in man rsyslog.conf in the TEMPLATES section. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ~/.forward file?
I'm just poking thru our previous sysadmin's user adding script and saw reference to a ~/.forward file containing the users email address. Any idea what it might be for? It's a tricky one to Google ;-) The ancient art of Google-fu takes many years to perfect. But sometimes the most mundane conjurations are the most enlightening. what is a linux .forward file for nets many good results, but they are mostly discussions. For true enlightenment, however, the path is the most difficult because it appears to be so outwardly easy: .forward file ;) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Package updates for 5.4?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:51:51 -0800 Mitch Patenaude mi...@rapleaf.com wrote: without having to change versions. Upgrading to 5.6 would likely involve upgrading several core packages (mysql, ruby, python, bind, even glibc and the kernel). Is this a pipe dream? Shouldn't be. I never think of point releases as separate versions and always upgrade (after installing on a test box to see everything still works as expected :) ). CentOS/upstream provider ensure that software in point releases are the same major versions. The point releases *are* the security updates. Sometimes upgraded packages are made available, as in the case of php, but the new version has a different package name. ie; the php package is 5.1, but the updated release's package name was php53 (or php52) and I think was only available through the Extras repo. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] cloning a server
Basically I want to clone this server and make it easy to install on another similar hardware server without having to install centos and then manually installing/configuring dovecot/postfix/mysql etc. Not sure if I can create a bootable ISO that will install on new servers or what my options are. I would appreciate any suggestions. We use Kickstart. You can build a customised Kisckstart script to install anything you want. Just put custom config files accessible off a web server, and you can just copy those over as part of the setup. Or package them up into your own RPMs and run your own repo. In fact, if you're doing several of these, it's probably recommended to run your own repo with the base and updates for speed and bandwidth savings. You can have kickststart run a yum update so each box will have the latest updates as at install time. Your boot CD or flash stick can auto-boot the kickstart files, so all you have to do is insert the media and turn the box on. Once it's done, all you have to do is reboot and you're ready to go. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] New list ?
Thoughts on getting a new list started up ? Should it be centos-sysadmin or centos-infra ? Are we going to then restrict it to admin/infra related chatter ? in which case, does the eyeball density on this list reduce for that sort of content ? I would love a new list for sysadmins. Having a lower volume list that does not encourage newbie posts would be ideal for me. Serious technical problems either go unanswered because they get lost in the noise, or because maybe the more knowledgable sysadmins don't waste their time here. I don't mean to say there aren't knowledgeable and able people here, but I think if there was a list focused to them, then I think that would attract more technical people who are able to help each other out on problems higher up the food chain. But maybe that's an idea for a generic linux list and not a CentOS focused one. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] New list ?
Further to my last email, another option for more technical users is Reddit. I started http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin about a year ago. Free signup, no confirmation, just choose a login and password and go (and there's much more on Reddit which may appeal). /r/linuxadmin currently has just under 900 readers. It's not CentOS focused, but is aimed at more technical problems and discussions and may be an alternative for people if this list doesn't get split. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] good shell script examples?
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look? (I'm relatively new to bash) http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+tutorial has quite a few. I wrote a simple one a few years back: http://www.happyhacker.org/gtmhh/basha.shtml -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Need advice trying to load ethernet firmware for kickstart
I've got a memory stick that I use to install systems. It's basically just has a simple isolinux setup on it that calls up the kickstart files from an http server and pulls down the distro via our online repo. However, I'm trying to get a standard automated install like this on an IBM box which has a Broadcom NetXtreme 2 NIC that requires firmware to be there on bootup. I've got the file, and I've added it into the directory that I think it should be in (/lib/firmware/bnx2) on the initrd.img. However, when the system boots, it identifies the NICs on one of the console screens, but borks and won't boot properly. On console 1: GRUB boots, I get menu, choose option. Kernel loads initrd.img loads anaconda starts loads usb-storage module borks with: loader received SIGSEGV! Backtrace [0xf00bar] ... etc install exited normally [1/1] sends termination signals, unmounts everything, and halts (You may safely reboot) On console screen 3: last few items are loading bnx2 module, insert module, remove usb-storge from modprobe.conf, and finally getting kickstart file On screen 4: detects storge devices and BNX2 NICs It seems to be crapping out when it tries to do the network access, but I've got nothing more I can trace the problem with. There's no shell yet. So I can't figure out if I've put the firmware in the wrong place, given it the wrong permissions (dirs are 755 and .fw file is 644) but whether that even matters because the source files are on a FAT16 partition, I don't know. It could just not be loading it, or the file could be corrupt. So how do I go about debugging this? Or am I doing it wrong? Any advice or pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd (04) 460-2531 : (021) 295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] odd ClamAV error
m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Has anyone recently started seeing LibClamAV Warning: Cannot prepare for JIT, because it has already been converted to interpreter ? I can't find anything googling for that. Thanks, John. What terms did you use in the search? I used clamav, libclam, and freshclam, with could not prepare. Why would you type could not prepare if the error message says Cannot prepare? If you google for the actual error message (and it sometimes pays to wrap it in quotes, especially if you're adding extra terms), you'll get useful results. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Determine next UID number
John Kennedy skeb...@gmail.com wrote: This also does not tell me how useradd knows that on this system at this time the highest UID assigned to a user is 20015. From the source's mouth (this is from useradd.c in the shadow-utils package): /* * find_new_uid - find the next available UID * * find_new_uid() locates the next highest unused UID in the password * file, or checks the given user ID against the existing ones for * uniqueness. */ static void find_new_uid (void) { const struct passwd *pwd; uid_t uid_min, uid_max; uid_min = getdef_unum (UID_MIN, 1000); uid_max = getdef_unum (UID_MAX, 6); /* * Start with some UID value if the user didn't provide us with * one already. */ if (!uflg) user_id = uid_min; /* * Search the entire password file, either looking for this * UID (if the user specified one with -u) or looking for the * largest unused value. */ #ifdef NO_GETPWENT pw_rewind (); while ((pwd = pw_next ())) { #else /* using getpwent() we can check against NIS users etc. */ setpwent (); while ((pwd = getpwent ())) { #endif if (strcmp (user_name, pwd-pw_name) == 0) { fprintf (stderr, _(%s: name %s is not unique\n), Prog, user_name); #ifdef WITH_AUDIT audit_logger (AUDIT_USER_CHAUTHTOK, Prog, adding user, user_name, user_id, 0); #endif exit (E_NAME_IN_USE); } if (uflg user_id == pwd-pw_uid) { fprintf (stderr, _(%s: UID %u is not unique\n), Prog, (unsigned int) user_id); #ifdef WITH_AUDIT audit_logger (AUDIT_USER_CHAUTHTOK, Prog, adding user, user_name, user_id, 0); #endif exit (E_UID_IN_USE); } if (!uflg pwd-pw_uid = user_id) { if (pwd-pw_uid uid_max) continue; user_id = pwd-pw_uid + 1; } } /* * If a user with UID equal to UID_MAX exists, the above algorithm * will give us UID_MAX+1 even if not unique. Search for the first * free UID starting with UID_MIN (it's O(n*n) but can be avoided * by not having users with UID equal to UID_MAX). --marekm */ if (!uflg user_id == uid_max + 1) { for (user_id = uid_min; user_id uid_max; user_id++) { #ifdef NO_GETPWENT pw_rewind (); while ((pwd = pw_next ()) pwd-pw_uid != user_id); if (!pwd) break; #else if (!getpwuid (user_id)) break; #endif } if (user_id == uid_max) { fprintf (stderr, _(%s: can't get unique UID\n), Prog); fail_exit (E_UID_IN_USE); } } } -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] How can binaries be different when package versions are identical? (mkfs.ext3 on CentOS 5.4)
Aleksey Tsalolikhin atsaloli.t...@gmail.com wrote: (a) account for the difference in the binaries, and (b) see if something else is different that I can make the same to get the mkfs.ext3 time down to 15 sec on both systems. Solving (a) should shed light on (b). Any ideas? Look into prelinking (man prelink). A prelinker from /etc/cron.daily that changes the binaries with an aim to speed up execution. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] downgrade
mattias jonsson m...@mjw.se wrote: Or Enter the 5.0 repo? That won't work because yum will just tell you everything is up to date. You need to either look at what broke (if anything, and the reason for your wanting to go backwards) and just back those out, or do what others have said: back up data and reinstall box. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] update of rpm directory
Adrian Sevcenco adrian.sevce...@cern.ch wrote: Thanks it helps! but a little more bit of info^Whints could help even more: lets say that on the server i do this stuff (and where is this dir from which nodes are installed) everything is up to date.. (and worker nodes are NOT updated) and i dont want to ask nodes do give me an rpm -qa.. how can a make a diff (comparing versions) between rpms form local directory and update repo? (other than take the rpm name from dir; strip name and version ; search in update repo the rpm name ; compare version , if newer download rpm ) If I understand you correctly, you're asking how the worker nodes know what to update? The simplest answer is that yum deals with all that. If you set up a local repo mirror, then that machine should share out that repo directory via http or ftp. You would sync that with an upline mirror, either via ftp or rsync. Then on the worker nodes, you would create a custom repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d pointing to your local repository. Then the worker nodes could just run a yum update and they would get all the updates they need. It will do all the version checking, and all you have to worry about is keeping your server's local mirror up to date. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Free and Robust Hotspot Management Software ?
Roberto HT htdocs.b...@gmail.com wrote: Could anybody give me some recommended open source software for wifi management? They're called Captive Portals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_portal That page lists a few of them. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Release 6?
Since 5.5 is now out from Red Hat and most likely our amazing CentOS team has already jumped on that, is there any word on Release 6? IIRC it's already a year out of date (base was supposed to be Fedora 10), so I have to wonder. I vaguely recollect that RH mentioned pushing out the (total) life cycles of a release from 5 to 7 years, or 7 to 10 or something like that. Their lifecycle info is here: http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ But there's no mention of any changes on there... -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Release 6?
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com wrote: If the accident accidentally involves a circular saw, a YouTube link would be really cool! :-) You know you use Reddit too much when you look for an upvote button. ;) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Any way to initiate a kickstart from shell prompt?
Hi all, I've set up a CentOS flash stick using the LiveCD tools, then dumping that onto flash with a persistent overlay - instructions here: http://wtf.geek.nz/?blog/2009/12/08/how-to-make-a-useful-centos-utility-flash-stick This gets me to a prompt in which I can do recovery stuff, but I'm curious to know if it's possible to initiate a kickstart install onto the local disks from that prompt. I've got a separate stick that appends ks= lines to boot different kickstart files, but I'd really like to have the ability to do this on the non-auto-install stick too. Is this possible? Is there a command that kicks this off? Cheers -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] crontab problem
Susan Day suzieprogram...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I have the following in crontab -eu root: @daily /usr/local/bin/mysql-backup- daily.sh @weekly /usr/local/bin/mysql-backup-weekly.sh @monthly /usr/local/bin/mysql-backup-monthly.sh the above is looking for mysql-backup-[day|week|month]ly.sh but the filenames below don't have -backup in their names. [r...@13gems globalsolutionsgroup.vi]# ls /usr/local/bin/mysql-* /usr/local/bin/mysql-daily.sh /usr/local/bin/mysql-monthly.sh /usr/local/bin/mysql-weekly.sh -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel not booting after update
Larry Brigman larry.brig...@gmail.com wrote: If the /boot is also part of the raid and it is a soft raid (fake raid is the same) then maybe only one of the mirror is being updated and grub is looking at the other mirror and not finding the files needed. I think you're on the right track here. I dropped the raid set, and rebuilt the box, and this time took note of the syncing.. dmraid -s kept telling me the mirror was ok so I'm guessing it synced correctly. I installed the update again, then set -53 to boot first in the grub order, but it dumped me at the grub prompt. So I typed kernel 2.6.18- and hit tab, and saw both files (-53 and -164). Hit tab again, and it completed -53. I went back and typed -164 and selected that. First time Error 13 (unknown executable format). I reran the kernel line and this time was told Error 15: File Not Found. Ran it again and got error 13. It pretty much alternated. So it looks like one side of the mirror isn't getting synced properly. There are 7 other boxen for which this has worked, so it's possible this one is just faulty. I'm also going to try Rob's idea of nodmraid to see what happens there. Appreciate all the help. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] kernel not booting after update
+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris [r...@dhcp-248 ~]# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 226G 1.3G 213G 1% / tmpfs 504M 0 504M 0% /dev/shm -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel not booting after update
John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: The E8500 is a desktop Core2Duo CPU, I thought? 'what sort of Yes, my mistake. It's a Core 2 Duo. I don't know where I saw the Xeon sticker. I saw the E8500 on /proc/cpuinfo but didn't RTFS properly. :/ This was further confused when I googled E8500 and one of the hits mentioned Xeon... The raid is indeed an Intel Matrix RAID. The BIOS is configured so that the sata controller is in RAID mode, and the OPROM is set to Matrix Raid. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gpg command works fine from login shell, not from cron script
Sean Carolan scaro...@gmail.com wrote: Why does it say secret key not available? The output of gpg -K shows that the key is in fact available, and this is further confirmed when I run the script manually and the files are decrypted just fine. Is the cron job running as a different user? eg; are you running gpg as a non-privileged user and the cronjob as root? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] resolv.conf rewritten every reboot. How to figure out who and why?
about dhcpclient. The only package I have installed that shows up in It's called dhclient, so searching for dhcp won't give you a hit on that. chkconfig for dhclient too, and see what that results. Also, look at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. It's possible to have addresses statically assigned via DHCP based on MAC addresses. If resolv.conf is getting populated by dhclient, then I'm guessing the odds of you having a dhcp server on your network is good. :) In all likelihood, you have a static IP assigned in your ifcfg-eth0, and the resolv.conf is being over-written by dhclient. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ee on CentOS
I'm switching a couple of servers from fbsd to CentOS. In fbsd I'm used to ee as the text editor. Is that available in CentOS? I've just had time to fiddle with the rpmfind version I pointed you to, and it didn't work very well, so I've rebuilt it as a binary RPM... http://wtf.geek.nz/dl/easyedit-1.5.0-1.tek.i386.rpm and the spec file in case you're interested is at: http://pastebin.com/f12fc126b I'll leave the spec file permanent, but may remove the RPM at a random point in the future, so grab it if you want it. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ee on CentOS
I'm switching a couple of servers from fbsd to CentOS. In fbsd I'm used to ee as the text editor. Is that available in CentOS? Not as an official package, but RPMfind appears to have a source RPM for it.. http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/openpkg/current/SRC/EVAL/ee-1.5.0-20090527.src.html Source packages are typically installed in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/ and there should be a spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/ (working off the cuff) you should be able to do something like: rpm -ivh ee*.rpm rpmbuild -bb /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/ee.spec and then after it compiles it (and assuming all the depencies are met), you should have a binary RPM in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/ -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Updating an AntiVirus trougth a proxy (ERROR)
Alberto, please don't reply to a previous email and change the subject line. Click on New Message when starting a new topic. You screw up the threading, and is considered thread hijacking. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] install Oracle on the Centos
does anyone install the oracle on the centos? I try to install the oracle on my computer. but fail. It has problem on kernel setting and add the swap disk. Please don't hit reply and change the subject. This is considered thread hijacking and really annoying for those of us who view our email in threaded mode. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:55:21 +0100 Marcelo M. Garcia marcelo.maia.gar...@googlemail.com wrote: CentOS and Scientific Linux together would be like dream come true. Everyone has different dreams. :) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos convert to rhel?
Bob Hoffman b...@bobhoffman.com wrote: And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary. PANIC No he hasn't left them all high and dry. By the sound of it, none of the devs have *ever* seen any cash. They're all paying for this out of their own pockets. Worst case scenario, the Centos project has lost everything currently donated, and has to set up a new domain name and new paypal account. That doesn't change anything for the average bum like you and me. The devs will keep doing their work and in fact, things may improve, because once things are sorted under someone else's control (or a committee), then there will probably be some money available to them for travel to shows, or whatever. From my point of view, I've never even heard of Lance, so the people doing the work will continue doing the work. So sit down, stop conjuring up disaster scenarios that the world will end, down a few shots of your favourite whiskey or bourbon, and have a nap. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] link to commercial support page isn't really helpful
from a promotional standpoint, i would avoid getting into that centos is a volunteer effort, and i would *seriously* avoid using the word difficulty. all i was suggesting earlier is that there are a What? You'd prefer we lie to people? If we don't tell people that it's a community run volunteer effort, expectations change. The C in CentOS stands for Community. number of ways to admit that centos has no *official* support channel, and that it would be useful to, even in admitting that, word it in such a way to not scare away potential adopters. Potential adopters are those who: a) are happy to get free community support b) those who can't or won't pay Redhat's fees Redhat charge per license, but that comes with support. So if you really want paid support, Redhat is what you should be looking for. If you're in camp b, then you must also be a part of camp a. Personally, I think you're barking up the wrong tree as you aren't interested in free community support. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] link to commercial support page isn't really helpful
Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: i can say that *i* could try to handle it, but a suitably large company won't find that acceptable. they'll probably want something more substantial in the way of support. A suitably large company can afford RHEL. CentOS and RHEL are the same, only the latter has commercial support available. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] link to commercial support page isn't really helpful
Neil Aggarwal n...@jammconsulting.com wrote: Along these lines, I would like the support area to have a consultants directory. That will give consulting companies (Like mine) a place to list themselves as providing CentOS support. This can be a very fine line to walk. A list of consultants can easily be misinterpreted as endorsement. If a bad consultant rips someone off or does bad work, this can reflect on the people hosting the list... and if that's the people who release the product, this can get even worse. It's my belief that this list needs to be done by a 3rd party. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 hanging after logout
Gill, please don't reply to a thread and change the subject. Create a new message. You almost misaligned the planet. I managed to close the wormhole before the demons entered our realm, but it was a close call. Just be careful next time. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Cyrus IMAP and ipurge
i too have a similar query i too need to delet messages older than 3 days . in my /etc/cyru.conf i have a entry like this delprune cmd=cyr_expire -E 3 at=0400 would this mean that the messages in( /var/spool/imap/a/users/abp/* ) older than 3 days get deleted ? It doesn't seem to (which you could ascertain if you see any messages older than 3 days in your mailbox). I have this option enabled too, so it must only expire messages (or folders) marked for expiry. But it clearly doesn't use the Expire option for mailboxes, because that sets an age separately. So I'm still unsure how the pieces in this puzzle are designed to fit together. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Rsync, SSH and authorized_keys problem
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:59:27 +0100 Stewart Williams li...@pinkyboots.co.uk wrote: command=rsync -avz -e ssh -i ~/.ssh/backup-key /backup stew...@name.of.remote.server:/backup ssh-dss ... key ... well, I've never seen anything other than keys in an authorized_keys file.. (btw - use authorized_keys2 for ssh v2), but I'd hazard a guess and say that the speech marks are what could be causing it grief. try single quotes (') around the command= bit with the double quotes around the ssh command and see if that makes a difference. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Cyrus IMAP and ipurge
Anyone here familiar with Cyrus IMAP and its util ipurge? We'd like to set auto deletion of our users' spambox folders, but I'm a bit paranoid about its functionality. The main things that confuse me are from the man page: Ipurge deletes messages from the mailbox(es) specified by mailbox-pattern with no indication as to what defines mailbox-pattern Second: Ipurge by default only deletes mail below shared folders, which means that mails in mail- box(es) below INBOX.* and user.* stay untouched. Use the option -f to also delete mail in mailbox(es) below these folders. What's a shared folder? OK, so the format of a Junk mail folder is: user/spiro/j...@knossos.net.nz and I've successfully done: $ ipurge -f -d 90 user/spiro/j...@knossos.net.nz Working on user/spiro/j...@knossos.net.nz... total messages 21 total bytes 187742 Deleted messages 16 Deleted bytes138324 Remaining messages 5 Remaining bytes 49418 however, without the -f, it did nothing, even though I was explicitly supplying a folder. Clearly I misunderstand what the man page is trying to tell me. I'd like to set up a proper pattern to purge all spamboxes correctly via the cyrus.conf, because at the moment, I've got an awk script that generates a list of email addresses and produces a list in the format of user/userid/j...@domain. I could then go over that list and run an ipurge for each one, but if anything happens that causes that list to be corrupted, I'm afraid of deleting the wrong mail. or worse. :( according to what I've gathered, the line: purgespam cmd=ipurge -f -d 90 user/%/j...@* at=0430 should work when put in cyrus.conf's Events section, but I can't confirm these wildcards. Some results on google just refer to * for the mailbox name, but none seem to include the domain as part of the string. Can anyone here shed some light? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Cyrus IMAP and ipurge
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:53:58 -0500 Jeff jlar...@gmail.com wrote: Can't help much with ipurge. I never did like how it works. I have chosen a different approach using the cyradm mboxconfig command to set the expire option on each mailbox as needed. The 'expire' option is set-it-and-forget-it. Yet this approach lacks managability. There is no quick and easy way to survey all of your user mailboxes to check the expire option settings. Thanks Jeff. I thought that the expire mboxconfig setting required running of the cyr_expire program to trigger it, but I could never figure out why it forces you to include the expiry age on the command line when the mailbox folders have that info already. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [OT] DR
Scott McClanahan smcclana...@forterrainc.com wrote: I remember a thread many months ago where someone asked about a disaster recovery template or guide and several people on this list linked some really good content. I can't seem to find that thread archives are here: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/ http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos the link at the bottom of every email posted on this mailing list has a link to the archives. There's no search functionality I can see on that site, but if you go to Google, and punch in your search query followed by: site:http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/ then Google will restrict its search to the archives. :) -- Top-posting is the computer equivalent of mailing a letter glued to the *outside* of an envelope, with a stamp attached via paper clip. -- Xcott Craver signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Shell Script Pointers?
On Thu, 14 May 2009 12:35:13 +0100 James Bensley jwbens...@gmail.com wrote: Update: these lines should be: + $X that should be lower case. My guess is that because your variables all equal zero, it's possible that something is wrong with: find /usr/local/squidGuard/db -maxdepth 1 -type d | while read FOLDER; stick set -x under your #!/bin/sh to see what's running and what's not. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Shell Script Pointers?
to run nightly, it will download the latest blacklist tarball, un tar it and then add any new entries to the existing black list. The if you're already going to the effort of downloading the entire blacklist every night, why not dump the old database, and just insert the newly downloaded one? tar -cxf blacklist.tar this will suck your computer into a vortex of doom. I recommend either creating a tarball, or extracting one, but not both at the same time. :) In all honesty, you might be better targeting this query to squidGuard users, as this may be something they do regularly. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gdm login as root automatically
4) complete installing some things and REMOVE the auto root login. yum info firstboot does this package help you acheive your goals? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: Possible for Malware against Windows boxes to attack Firefox on Linux?
Lanny Marcus lmmailingli...@gmail.com wrote: the forum, which is a highly restricted area. Today when it happened, what exactly is *it*? Install-2006-60.exe which I declined, etc. Comes from http://antispywarepcscanner.com Is there any way the Firefox web browser could have been corrupted by this, while using CentOS Linux? no. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: Torrent software choice
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:41:33 -0400 Robert Spangler mli...@zoominternet.net wrote: So what is everyone using for their torrent? What is the best? amusing. There is no such thing as the best, only the best fit to your needs. For a start, what front end do you want? gnome, kde, tcl, cli, cli with curses, web based? Do you want it to disappear in your system tray? do you want to feed it into screen so you can log back into it at work and review its status? do you want to have the status pasted in a section of conky? Anybody who tells you what is best is just telling you their favourite, which is almost always useless information. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Getting ready for CentOS 5.4
I've got a couple of cents change here... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:41:41 -0400 mbneto mbn...@gmail.com wrote: I do not have any sort of numbers of the popularity of CentOS but I suspect that we are very popular and in that sense a certain level of responsibility (to that community) is required. required? How do you figure anything is *required* of volunteers? Show me your support contract. If you're worried that CentOS is late or is stopping you from fulfilling your own contractual obligations, perhaps you should stop being a tight-arse and pay for RedHat support. When you pay nothing, you have no right to expect anything. Unless they're your slaves, and I'm pretty sure that's not the case here. And as long as CentOS stays a relevant distro the pressure (not only from me) will continue to raise. This is just rude. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Looking for a list of default services to disable in centos 5
I am looking for a list of services that you disable by default on your server. what kind of server? smtp server? pop/imap server? proxy server? web server? ftp server? logging server? voip gateway? firewall? rpm build box? swipe card reader server? development/source repo server? LDAP, NFS? or are you looking for a set of things that we disable by default on all servers? At which point I question your choice of removing sendmail (unless you're replacing it with something like exim or postfix) because most servers need to send mail, even if it's just to alert you when a cron job has barfed. personally I disable, or don't install SE Linux, Network Manager (with extreme prejudice), and anything to do with wireless/bluetooth, and X on every single server. From there it depends on what the server is doing. We've got a Kickstart server and boot off USB sticks and CDs that allow us to pick generic build types off a menu (eg; web server, smtp server, mail storage server, etc). The kickstart config just pulls down the packages we want, a few scripts get run doing various things like updating all packages, setting up our distributed config system, installing custom packages, and so on. However, I don't see the usefulness in seeing what other people disable. Everybody has different networks, different requirements, and does different things on their boxes. What you should be doing is looking at *your* servers and itemising what they do. Then remove all packages that are not needed to provide those services. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CESA-2009:0358 Moderate CentOS 3 ia64 evolution - security update
$ gpg --list-key 7049E44D025E513B pub 1024D/025E513B 2004-03-15 [expired: 2009-03-14] uid CentOS-3 Key centos-3...@caosity.org The key you signed with has expired. I tried refreshing it, but it had not changed. Is there any particular keyserver I should update it from? cheers -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Should I be worried?
The result is that I have forgotten my Linux know how! and your google know-how. I just googled it and got bucketloads of results. Maybe you should try that. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What is the System Event Log?
The message on the screen tells me to look at the System Event Log. What application is doing that? System Event Log sounds like Windows terminology. Incidentally, wouldn't it be a good idea for /var/log/messages* to start a new file when booting? that's what /var/log/dmesg is for. messages files are typically rolled over daily or when they hit a certain size. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
No footer. Perhaps it is just a setting on the mailing list that I disabled? X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Here's your problem. :) Microsoft do things their own way and assume that's how everybody likes it. Inevitably, all their users have to conform, because they don't have any other option. If you're in a corporate environment and can't choose your own software, then I recommend using some kind of webmail client -- but not Hotmail. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:51:31 -0700 Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: That's funny, I am using OL as well, and I don't have a problem with headers/footers or Microsoft trying to tell me to do anything? In fact I have no problem with any of our MS infrastructure. Obviously *y*mmv... yes I'm sure. You reminded me of a great quote I heard recently... The biggest enemy of freedom is a happy slave. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Newbie
Hi I'm a linux newbie who has just switched from windows and I'd like to know weather or not there is a decent switching guide I can't speak for which is decent, but a google search for: how to switch from windows to linux seems to get much better results than: linux switching guide the former search netted many many results, ranging from specific switching guides by magazines, to personal experiences. just keep in mind that most guides are targetted at one specific distribution (whatever the author has chosen), but most of the concepts and programs that they may potentially mention will be available everywhere. another hint is that a lot reference Ubuntu, which has a different method of managing program installations.. Ubuntu guides will refer to apt-get or Synaptic (I think that's what it's called -- Synaptic does the same as apt-get except with a windowed interface, rather than via command line). CentOS (and redhat and fedora) use RPM. If a guide tells you to apt-get program, on CentOS, load a terminal and type yum install program. Most program names are the same or similar (yum search program will look for it but not install it). -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4 update backlog
If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community. you are either the world's best troll, or a complete moron. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] yum update fails: CentOS 5.2
tried deleting /var/lib/rpm/__* after killing all yum processes? Yum has command line options to do its housecleaning which I would try first. yum help clean What does deleting the __db files do that the yum clean all doesn't? (which I notice doesn't delete those specific files) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4 update backlog
So I need a @centos.org address to ask the obvious do I? If so I missed your response to the post I made last month about security updates missing for almost a month. No, but the obvious link that you're not making is that you're not actually offering the help. You have blatantly said in other posts such things as: If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community. Can you show me where offers for assistance have been made and the community declined? You keep referring to the community, not to yourself. You are trying to volunteer other people without trying to do anything yourself. If you can't do it, then fine, but shut up. If you keep whining and offer to do nothing to help, you're just being an unhelpful troll. RP Herrold's comment about you not having a centos email address was in reference to your call to arms (as per the first of your quotes above). You're trying to volunteer people for this work which is not appropriate. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite
John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: [using google mail+calendar+etc] The advantages of doing it this way are no costs at all, Actually you only get 25 users for free. After that you have to pay for it. I'm using it on one of my domains and it's very very good, but too low a limit for any decent sized business. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Email/GroupWare Suite
Actually you only get 25 users for free. After that you have to pay for it. I'm using it on one of my domains and it's very very good, but too low a limit for any decent sized business. does that apply to nonprofits like k12/edus ? Can't answer that without making stuff up. :) Mine's not registered as a company, though, just a personal account and it has the 25 user restriction. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Video lock up
Nvidia MX440 video Driver nv Unsure if Nvidia have a driver for this video card on their site, but it might be worth checking out. My Fedora box at home had the same issues with the nv driver and I switched to the official nvidia driver and haven't had any problems lately. Originally I noticed the problem surfaced with more regularity when running WoW under Wine, but occassionally it would just freak out randomly. I'm also using Compiz with many effects turned on, so that could have pushed it over the edge sometimes too.. However, I don't play WoW any more, so that may have something to do with the increase in stability too, but Nvidia are releasing updates for it pretty regularly. The downside is that every time a new kernel is released, you have to re-run the nvidia setup program, so don't delete it. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] LDAP Authentication to Lotus Domino?
base I don't really know too much about LDAP, and I know less about Lotus Domino, so hopefully I'm not blowing in the wind, but shouldn't this have something in it? Like dc=yourcompany,dc=com? Maybe with an ou=people prepended to it so it knows to look in the right subtree? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Log File Reviewing
awk '$1 == word{print}' /var/log/messages This example assumes that word is the first field and that it consists only of word. If the first field is word1 this won't match. Fixes for this are awk '$1 ~ word{print}' (this matches any occurrance of word in the first field) or: awk '/^[[:space:]]*word/ {print}' (this matches any line starting with whitespace followed immediately by word) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Log File Reviewing
[0-9]? I can do it using ^[[:space:]]*[0-9] but it also takes out lines w/o whitespace that begin with numbers? to match one or more, use + instead of *. * matches 0 or more, + matches 1 or more. I have to buy a book on RegEx's and Sed :) http://www.gnu.org/manual/gawk/gawk.pdf (G)awk is pretty sh!t hot where I work; however we've extended it a bit. :) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Log File Reviewing
So gawk does all that sed does and more? I suppose I can start with Can't really answer that. In 15 years of using UNIX systems, I've never touched sed. :) With Gawk's BEGIN and END blocks you can use it to write full programs, which is kind of nice. that in this case, I always wanted a book on regexe's so I think I am going to order O'Reilly's Mastering Regular Expressions, Third Edition. They also have a sed awk, Second Edition book, but its 10+ years old, does that matter, has sed/awk changed any since then? The link I sent you is the 3rd edition of that book. Dated 2004. The book (Effective AWK Programming) is available completely free, but is also available in dead-tree editions. I printed and bound my PDF and saved a few dollars. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Log File Reviewing
Why not just start with perl which does more than sed/awk while using similar syntax (if you want)? This is why: awk '/^[[:space:]]*word/ {print}' logfile vs perl -ne 'if (/^\s*word/) { print $_; }' logfile Which syntax is likely to be easier to remember? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Log File Reviewing
Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Don't count on the same stability with python. It has an annoying habit of changing syntax in non-backwards compatible ways with no You seem to be hell-bent (excuse the pun) on turning this into a jihad on scripting languages. Please take the credo of your own favoured religion, sorry, language into account: There's more than one way to do it. Cope. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT-ish: GPG problem
Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Fedora 9 [snip] Fedora 10 [snip] Mandriva 2009 [snip] Can anyone suggest further lines of enquiry? Thanks http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?q=linux+forums -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vim helpfile tag issues
From the vi --debug output it seems obvious that vi reports the highest included patch in the version. So what I think happened is that Red Hat started off from 7.0.109 and added patches upto 237. ok, well, it's convinced me I'm not going slightly mad. :) Thanks for your help, and to everyone else, thanks for the help and input. Much appreciated. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] vim helpfile tag issues
Just wondering if anyone can replicate this issue On CentOS 5.2, using vim 7.0.237, I'm having a consistent issue across all my centos boxen. if I try and access the help files direct (as root), such as :help tutor I get: usr_01.txt.gz [readonly][noeol][converted] 11L, 4393C E434: Can't find tag pattern Press ENTER or type command to continue If I press enter, it shows me what appears to be the output of a binary. looking at that top line, it appears as if the help files are compressed, and it can't read the tags within them. Is there a satellite package I need to unpack or enable the ability for vim to decipher these? If I just type :help the status line reads: help.txt [readonly] 214L, 7883C which is ok, and the text file is displayed correctly. Under Fedora 9, doing a :help tutor works correctly, and the status line reads: usr_01.txt.gz [readonly][noeol] 11L, 2914C Note the different tag on the centos boxen [converted].. Also, /usr/share/vim/vimxx/doc/ seem to be pretty similar (given that Fed9 is vim7.1 and CentOS is 7.0) even the tags file looks ok on both ends: Fed9: $ grep tutor tags sql-completion-tutorial sql.txt.gz /*sql-completion-tutorial* tutor usr_01.txt.gz /*tutor* vimtutorusr_01.txt.gz /*vimtutor* CentOS 5.2: # grep tutor tags sql-completion-tutorial sql.txt.gz /*sql-completion-tutorial* tutor usr_01.txt.gz /*tutor* vimtutorusr_01.txt.gz /*vimtutor* -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vim helpfile tag issues
just as a followup, if I ungzip a file, and edit the tags file to reflect the new name, it displays properly. putting it back returns its state to the regular fubar. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vim helpfile tag issues
Is it me, or do you have a newer vim than CentOS is shipping ? [r...@rhun ~]# rpm -q vim-common vim-common-7.0.109-4.el5_2.4z Is it possible you messed something up yourself ? And before everyone gets on top of me for being rude. I can confirm this happens on 7.0.109 as well. Apparently it cannot handle zip files ? well, that is interesting. I have my own repos for our in-house software, but none of that is vim. all my vim installs are from standard centos packages.. # rpm -qa | grep vim vim-minimal-7.0.109-4.el5_2.4z vim-common-7.0.109-4.el5_2.4z vim-enhanced-7.0.109-4.el5_2.4z # vim --version VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Nov 25 2008 11:43:45) Included patches: 1, 3-4, 7-9, 11, 13-17, 19-26, 29-31, 34-44, 47, 50-56, 58-64, 66-73, 75, 77-92, 94-107, 109, 202, 234-235, 237 Modified by bugzi...@redhat.com Compiled by bugzi...@redhat.com [snipped extra stuff] and if I enter the binary just by typing vim or vi the splash screen tells me: version 7.0.237 the vim and vi binaries are both from different packages and are quite different: [r...@web1 doc]# ls -lad $(which vi) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 593160 Nov 26 05:44 /bin/vi [r...@web1 doc]# ls -lad $(which vim) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2723516 Nov 26 05:44 /usr/bin/vim vim comes from vim-enhanced, and vi comes from vim-minimal. ah, I wasn't as thorough as I thought. :) vi exhibits the faulty behaviour, while vim works correctly with the compressed help files.. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] vim helpfile tag issues
I think this is normal behaviour for 'vi' as it does not support gzipped help pages. Seems the case for RHEL too, so it is not specific to CentOS. You might want to to check the same on Fedora too ? yes, it seems you're right.. I just figured that out in another post coming the list's way. :) and under Fedora as root, it exhibits exactly the same behaviour. I'm still curious about the discrepencies in the version numbers, does yours come up with conflicting numbers on the splash screen? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] pop3 attack
define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp-server.carolina.rr.com')dnl MASQUERADE_AS(carolina.rr.com)dnl Or switch to postfix. I plunked relayhost = smtp-server.roadrunner.com into main.cf away it went. why change software just because one configuration line is different? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] pop3 attack
why change software just because one configuration line is different? Main point was the RR relay host works. So your solution is to change software? Wouldn't it be smarter to figure out what the problem actually is? Because as you say, the RR host doesn't appear to be the problem. So if he changed software, what are the chances that his problem will still exist? Pretty high I imagine. Even if it turns out the RR host *is* the problem, what would he achieve in changing software? Let me do the math: zero, multiplied by zero, carry the zero... -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] pop3 attack
It's simpler for non-experts to change the postfix configuration than to change the sendmail configuration. So, why shouldn't he not suggest it? because it's stupid, lazy advice. 1: it's easy for non-experts to edit the sendmail configuration too... as long as they're editing the mc file, not the cf. 2: changing software doesn't help solve the problem. 3: what if he has a bunch of milters or related programs that rely on sendmail? are they all available for postfix? what needs to be changed to match his current environment? have you thought about that? has anyone asked James that before recommending he changes his software? -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Running on 8G CF card
dmesg isn't a file, its a program thats dumping the kernel message buffer. how do you live 'tail' it? look in /var/log -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] mysql question
Do you know any good mysql mailing list? http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=mysql+mailing+list I have question what is the different between /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock /var/lib/mysql/mysqld.sock I have very little knowledge of mysql, but my understanding is it's just a naming convention. CentOS uses mysql.sock for its mysqld service, and some other distributions use mysqld.sock. It's just another method applications use to connect to mysql. look at /etc/my.cnf to see where yours is configured to be. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] iptables-save: INPUT DROP [26:8260]
Robert answered the first question... And what does *filter mean? It's the table name. filter is the name of the default table. The other table name you may see in common use is nat. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] My God, it is full of stars
Everybody else: Send even more mails! The infrastructure for that is here now! Please do not awake the gods of spam ! Lucky you told us, I was just about to start my spam-dance to see if the gods would bestow more emails upon us. The goat thanks you for saving his life too. I don't know what I'm going to do with this alter though... -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] My God, it is full of stars
Perhaps you can alter it into an altar :) that was my keyboard's fault. It can't spell. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] python issue?
from gtk import _gtk ImportError: /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden Any clues? http://www.google.com/search?q=FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden given the prefix of FT and by having a quick look at the first google result, it looks like a freetype issue. what does: rpm -qa | grep freetype give you? there's a freetype and a freetype-devel package. You may need both. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Installer stopped short
I just tried to install a CentOS 5 desktop on very recent hardware, an Acer desktop machine. The installer stopped short very early. I How early is very early? Did it stop before the first Welcome to Centos screen, or did you get to disk partitioning? Knowing exactly where it dies can be useful. Also, scan the disc to see if that's naffed and causing grief. When CentOS is installing you can press Alt-F2 - Alt-F4 (Ctrl-Alt if you're in gui mode) and there should be a few different screens of logs. Do any of those provide insight into where it's failing, or what it last tried to do? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage
I know it's going farther off the beaten topic here, but just received this email of warm wishes from our friend Spike Turner that I thought I'd share. It's not even necessary to insult him, he's done it all for himself. On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Spike Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spiro Harvey wrote: Your comments were not constructive criticism. You're just a whiny little punk who can dish it out but gets upset when it's flung back in your direction. Grow up. If you were within reach I would punch you and you would spit all your teeth out. Having done martial arts and powerlifting, dealing with a punk like yourself would not be a problem. Spike. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] boot problems
cd i boot from centos boot cd n go to rescue mode and check grub could you please use entire words instead of txt talking? In this sentence you use cd to mean could and compact disc. It's very confusing and when you make people's brains hurt reading your message, we're not very inclined to waste our time. On a computer you have access to a full keyboard. Please use it and stop being lazy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
I also note that moderation comes in 2 forms...the first being when one of the CentOS developers says stop this thread which is irregular, and you'll also notice that this never works. the thread typically degenerates into the yay-sayers and the nay-sayers, which actually produces *more* noise. This is not moderation. No threads are ever deleted or locked, even if it were possible. But instead of filling the list with lots of please read the f'n rules followed by polite responses, if the lists were split into two distinct categories -- one for general help, one for more technical problems -- then this would cut down the overall noise because posters would have a better understanding of what each list was for and could target their queries more appropriately. In a general help list tangential problems would then be appropriate so the moderation wouldn't exist, or at least, not be as heavy handed. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
A driveby waste of space post was one by a certain Karanbir telling someone to recklessly upgrade Gnome when this is supposed to be an enterprise distro. well, if they're running Gnome, then they're probably not using the machine in an enterprise capacity. nobody in their right mind would install X on a server. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Given the overall poor reception of the idea, I'd just put it on the back burner for now... yes, thats sounding like a good idea for the time being. I don't think it is a good idea. I think that we need two separate lists. One for general users, one for server sysadmins. What we don't know from all the people against splitting the list is in what capacity they are using CentOS. Are they desktop users? Are they running their own home network? Are they small-time sysadmins? Are they managing a Tier 1 ISP? I would hazard a guess and say that most of the people who are pro-split are people managing bigger networks, and possibly have more experience with linux/unix. I am certainly in this category and I would like to see a new list on the basis that I don't care about typical general chatter or newbie problems. It's also my experience that if you ask people what they want, they will be reluctant to change, just on principle. Make the change for them and they'll adapt (albeit after a bit of whining). Perhaps another idea would be to have a sysadmin list that is actually moderated. But I think you should split the lists if you want to. It's not a democracy, as has been mentioned. This is your sandpit. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal - meaningless
Really? What about SLED (Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop) or Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop? Marketing terms for IT managers and non-technical decision makers. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: is parted reliable?
I'm beginning to understand why Vandaman was so stiff about his responses, and the more BS we allow in, the more we'll get. And then those who genuinely need the help will be lost in a sea of random threads. Mailing lists need to be reigned in a bit tighter; for those of you wanting to talk about random stuff, or wanting to talk about tangential topics, you should be visiting forums like linuxforums.org. The argument of choose what you read is garbage in my opinion as mailing lists are a pull medium. Subscribers are receiving all messages. They don't get a say in that unless they completely unsubscribe. On forums, you can pick and choose at your leisure. That's the point of them. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
'centos-tech' list. If there is a general feeling that this would help, then we will go ahead and setup the new list in the next few days. I think this would be a good idea. you have my vote. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] new list proposal
Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I favor one-stop shopping. My $0.02 I favour quality over quantity, and I have $2 to spend. :) Forums are one-stop shops, and even they have different sub-forums that categorise conversations. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] creating a user from an RPM package
nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the postifx srpm.. thanks. and to you Ian; looks like useradd is the standard way. :) clamav uses it too. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos