Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Greetings, On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: yum install gstreamer* Is yum install vlc* better that gstreamer? Ignorant queation: And whch repos should be included 1. for gstreamer and 2. for VLC? -- Regards, Rajagopal Mumbai, India ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: Greetings, On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: yum install gstreamer* Is yum install vlc* better that gstreamer? Ignorant queation: And whch repos should be included 1. for gstreamer and 2. for VLC? Depends on what you are going to use it for. GStreamer is library used by number of Audio-video apps. VLC is Audio-video app with it's own codecs (as I recall). So if you will use VLC for listening to MP3 and similar proprietary formats installing VLC will be enough. If you prefer some other app, like Amarok, Totem,... for MP3, etc... then you need underlying library of codecs (GStreamer, xine,..). More then one repository has both vlc and GStreamer, but I suggest using rpmforge/repoforge[1]. Install their release package and use yum to install. [1]: http://repoforge.org/use/ Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. Insert spiffy .sig here: Life is complex: it has both real and imaginary parts. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. //me *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.Hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. I hear that WoW is going the way of the dodo due to lack of creativity there. Maybe you have some other more pressing example likeminesweeper? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. Go to PlayOnLinux web site, download and install it. Then you can install 70+ games via their interface. Each will have their own tweaked wine configuration. But I suggest using CentOS 6 for games, it is *much* closer to Fedora (newer all together). Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. I hear that WoW is going the way of the dodo due to lack of creativity Those voices aren't technologically savvy. WoW is still growing. there. Maybe you have some other more pressing example likeminesweeper? ___ I am at a loss parsing your reply as anything other than ignorant derision. Why do you think minesweeper is more pressing? Insert spiffy .sig here: Life is complex: it has both real and imaginary parts. Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. //me *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.Hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. I hear that WoW is going the way of the dodo due to lack of creativity Those voices aren't technologically savvy. WoW is still growing. there. Maybe you have some other more pressing example likeminesweeper? ___ I am at a loss parsing your reply as anything other than ignorant derision. Why do you think minesweeper is more pressing? Perhaps an edit is appropriate: satire I hear that WoW is going the way of the dodo due to lack of creativity there. Maybe you have some other more pressing example likeminesweeper? /satire mark I can stop playing minesweeper any time I want ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Monday, July 11, 2011 11:09 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote: Ljubomir The Wise wrote: Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. +googolplex! DirectX games, facebook, facebook games, other games, skype, garage-band, and many many more. Many of these *can* be tweaked into running under Linux, by somebody who knows how. My wife will *never* know how. Yum install World of Warcraft (or whatever game, which looks for the game installed on your NTFS file system, downloads anything needed, configures and leaves a ready-to-click-and-play WoW on the Linux side) or forget it, you're not ready to push Windows off the desktop. I hear that WoW is going the way of the dodo due to lack of creativity Those voices aren't technologically savvy. WoW is still growing. there. Maybe you have some other more pressing example likeminesweeper? ___ I am at a loss parsing your reply as anything other than ignorant derision. Why do you think minesweeper is more pressing? Sorry, forgot the smiley! But having WoW or whatever on Linux ain't going to make any difference. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Ron Blizzard wrote: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as usual). I do not know where the mp3 playing ability came from. To me it really doesn't matter where it (and the DVD stuff) comes from -- it's just a one-time repository set up anyhow and then it updates itself. What Windows users don't realize is that most of their codecs come from the add-on applications that need to be installed. At least it did in XP (not sure about Vista and Vista 7). Try playing a DVD without installing PowerDVD or burning CDs or DVDs without Nero (for example). The reason most Windows' users don't run into this issue is because their computers usually come pre-installed with OEM software. If you install Linux Mint (for one) you never have to worry about any of this either. And it's only a minor issue with CentOS and those distributions that don't come with codecs (and Flash, etc) pre-installed. That is exactly why I intend to create Desktop version, regular CentOS with additional repositories and virtual package(s) pulling necessary real packages. If launched from main menu it could be done as an add-on package enhancing existing CentOS. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 09/07/2011 23:20, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Hm. First wider loss of internet access of something like Power loss in Japan will wake up most of the people that are now into Cloud based computing. Actually, I think first major Cloud player to be majorly hacked will be a double whammy to kill off the 'cloud' mentality: At least the following two will occur: * Everyone will question the security and privacy of their data in the 'cloud'. * The cloud provider will shut down for a couple of weeks (like the Playstation saga) to investigate what was accessed and how. Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of weeks, while some hacker organisation has it? I think not. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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John R. Dennison wrote: Symantec is garbage and has been for many years. Don't care for Kaspersky from past use, but that was indeed KAV as I've not used anything else from them. Perhaps I should evaluate their KIS offering. I've had absolutely no trouble whatsoever with Avast other than on my own personal desktop and that was strictly caused by my usage patterns and would not affect normal users in any way; I recommend and install avast on not only on family and friends boxes but on clients as well. I added Symantec mostly from past experience, haven't used it in years. Having Free versions (in general) that can really make PC's secure would defeat the purpose of having paid version, so they always lack something, mostly real-time application prevention. Once certain stronger trojans/malwares are incorporated they even stop KIS from installing in the first place. Not many of them, but I had that experience, and had to reinstall/format c: partition. I chose Kaspersky because of two things. Lesser in intensity is that he is from Russia, with different mindset very close to ours, but turning point when I started to think about actually paying for the product (at the dawn of my legality awakening) was when Eugen K. came to Belgrade to receive some award for his product. TV reporter asked him after the ceremony if he is going to go sightseeing the town, and he's response was No. I have flight back in one hour, I must get back to my work. Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations and Servers, and even for the Mac: http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: That is exactly why I intend to create Desktop version, regular CentOS with additional repositories and virtual package(s) pulling necessary real packages. If launched from main menu it could be done as an add-on package enhancing existing CentOS. Sounds like a great idea. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: Actually, I think first major Cloud player to be majorly hacked will be a double whammy to kill off the 'cloud' mentality: At least the following two will occur: * Everyone will question the security and privacy of their data in the 'cloud'. * The cloud provider will shut down for a couple of weeks (like the Playstation saga) to investigate what was accessed and how. Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of weeks, while some hacker organisation has it? I think not. But it's not like you can't do both. The Cloud has the benefits of convenience (available from anywhere) and flexibility (OS agnostic). You would hope 1) That people back up their work (at least to other locations in the Cloud), and 2) That they have a local substitute suite of applications. And it's not like local machines are immune to hardware and security break downs, especially for the majority who use Windows. At this point my music is stored online (Amazon, listening to it now), a lot of my documents are created with Google Docs or Zoho, my email is almost completely online (has been for years), my recent pictures are stored and edited online (Picasa and Piknic), almost all my TV watching is done online (Hulu, Crackle, TheWB) and a big chunk of my movies are supplied from online sources (Hulu, Crackle, Netflix). That said, I think it may happen that amount of traffic ultimately falls in on itself. I don't see how Netflix (in the U.S.) can continue to use nearly a quarter of the Web's bandwith (for example) without paying some kind of tariff from the cable and DSL providers. So all this streaming might slow down quite a lot if Hulu, Crackle, Netflix and the others have to charge their customers for bandwith. We'll see what happens. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 10/07/2011 10:40, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote: Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of weeks, while some hacker organisation has it? I think not. But it's not like you can't do both. The Cloud has the benefits of convenience (available from anywhere) and flexibility (OS agnostic). You would hope 1) That people back up their work (at least to other locations in the Cloud), and 2) That they have a local substitute suite of applications. And it's not like local machines are immune to hardware and security break downs, especially for the majority who use Windows. Well, do both then, but at double the cost!! The whole point to CEOs and CFOs about going with the Cloud is that they will save money on IT infrastructure and possibly get rid of 'that scruffy guy in the basement 'who's done our IT for the last few years'... they never really trusted him anyway, and 'Joe and Bill' from 'ABC Cloud Consulting' seemed like 'my kind of people on the Golf course last Thursday afternoon.' At this point my music is stored online (Amazon, listening to it now), a lot of my documents are created with Google Docs or Zoho, my email is almost completely online (has been for years), my recent pictures are stored and edited online (Picasa and Piknic), almost all my TV watching is done online (Hulu, Crackle, TheWB) and a big chunk of my movies are supplied from online sources (Hulu, Crackle, Netflix). I'm not really referring to your music, movies and porn. I'm referring to the enterprise applications that corporations use. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: Hoi Rudi, CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) Centos 5.5 works well for my non-computer literate friends who use a computer for Facebook and web browsing. I never said CentOS won't work great for this. But, try and convert someone who uses Pastel Accounting, Quickbooks, Lightroom, AutoCAD, Adobe Premier, etc, to name but a few. The point I'm making is that it won't suit everyone's needs. And yes, I know where you're coming from. Many years ago my mother used to work on a DOS based application in the hospital and when it came to converting their system to Windows 98 (which then used a mouse) it took many months to try and get her to use a mouse. My mother-in-law is not computer literate at all. She has a PC to facebook and play games on. And now matter how many times I've tried to show her how to cut an MP3 CD, she simply can't remember todo it. Now for me to convert her desktop to Linux would be an absolute nightmare. I remember some years ago I converted a guy who used to study MCSE with me (yes, I know.) to Linux. He absolutely LOVED it. I gave him a Suse Live CD - this was about 8 or 9 years ago I think, and then he decided to install it on his PC. Big mistake. He didn't know that to format your Hard Drive means it will completely wipe everything from it. So he lost all his data. We had some words and he wanted to sue me for ruining his business. And yes, the mistake I made, was that I didn't sit next to him 24/7 and spoon fed him. I thought he would be somewhat technically competent to understand what he's going todo with his PC. BUT, he wanted to save money on Microsoft licensing. P.S. Have you every tried to convert a MAC user, specifically a 3D graphic designer to anything other than MAC? Different people have different needs and different applications (and Operating Systems) exist for that exact reason :) I run Windows 7 on on both my laptop and my Desktop cause we have some business applications which won't run on Linux. Yet some of the developers in the office use either Debian, Slackware or CentOS. All our servers though run CentOS, FreeBSD and Solaris. Even my media player and 12TB NAS (my wife is a photographer) at home runs CentOS. I use Centos 5.6 on servers, desktops, home server/desktop, laptop, notebook/netbook and would never willingly return to ghastly M$ Windoze. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: On 10/07/2011 10:40, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote: Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of weeks, while some hacker organisation has it? I think not. But it's not like you can't do both. The Cloud has the benefits of convenience (available from anywhere) and flexibility (OS agnostic). You would hope 1) That people back up their work (at least to other locations in the Cloud), and 2) That they have a local substitute suite of applications. And it's not like local machines are immune to hardware and security break downs, especially for the majority who use Windows. Well, do both then, but at double the cost!! The whole point to CEOs and CFOs about going with the Cloud is that they will save money on IT infrastructure and possibly get rid of 'that scruffy guy in the basement 'who's done our IT for the last few years'... they never really trusted him anyway, and 'Joe and Bill' from 'ABC Cloud Consulting' seemed like 'my kind of people on the Golf course last Thursday afternoon.' I get your point about CEOs and CFOs (greed blunts good sense in many instances), but don't most corporations already have local and network backups? So they are already redundant. If they go to the Cloud I would assume they would continue local backups. At this point my music is stored online (Amazon, listening to it now), a lot of my documents are created with Google Docs or Zoho, my email is almost completely online (has been for years), my recent pictures are stored and edited online (Picasa and Piknic), almost all my TV watching is done online (Hulu, Crackle, TheWB) and a big chunk of my movies are supplied from online sources (Hulu, Crackle, Netflix). I'm not really referring to your music, movies and porn. I'm referring to the enterprise applications that corporations use. Porn? You trying to piss me off, pal, with your dismissive bullshit? Quit projecting. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 10/07/2011 11:22, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote: Well, do both then, but at double the cost!! The whole point to CEOs and CFOs about going with the Cloud is that they will save money on IT infrastructure and possibly get rid of 'that scruffy guy in the basement 'who's done our IT for the last few years'... they never really trusted him anyway, and 'Joe and Bill' from 'ABC Cloud Consulting' seemed like 'my kind of people on the Golf course last Thursday afternoon.' I get your point about CEOs and CFOs (greed blunts good sense in many instances), but don't most corporations already have local and network backups? So they are already redundant. If they go to the Cloud I would assume they would continue local backups. (offsite) Backups are usually sold as part of the Cloud service. The very fact that the data is not locally stored anymore makes local backups not very feasible anyway. Many corporations are considering moving their entire infrastructure to cloud or 'cloud-like' services. Just look at http://www.microsoft.com/office365 It is not being sold as an add-on to enterprise infrastructure, it's being sold as a replacement. The reference to 'porn' was meant to be a light hearted reference to 'your personal stuff', as opposed to 'your work stuff'. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: The reference to 'porn' was meant to be a light hearted reference to 'your personal stuff', as opposed to 'your work stuff'. Okay, you've made good points. Sorry about over-reacting. I'll eventually learn that a CentOS desktop is the exception and try to think in terms of servers. Though I think this thread was basically started as a call to promoting CentOS on the desktop. Again, please accept my apology. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 10/07/2011 11:40, Ron Blizzard wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote: The reference to 'porn' was meant to be a light hearted reference to 'your personal stuff', as opposed to 'your work stuff'. Okay, you've made good points. Sorry about over-reacting. I'll eventually learn that a CentOS desktop is the exception and try to think in terms of servers. Though I think this thread was basically started as a call to promoting CentOS on the desktop. Maybe, perhaps I'm blabbering on in the wrong thread. On the desktop side of things, I do like to run Centos full screen in a VM sometimes and I find the Linux environment does help to focus my mind on things a little - especially when trying to tackle a technical issue, whereas Windows 7 (my VM host environment), seems to provide me with a lot of distractions that seem to fog my mind when I'm trying to think about and resolve things on a technical level. Again, please accept my apology. No apology required. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations and Servers, and even for the Mac: http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list Aw, nobody put in a word for NOD32 from Eset? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Christopher Chan wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations and Servers, and even for the Mac: http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list Aw, nobody put in a word for NOD32 from Eset? Well, I place it between Kaspersky KIS and above the rest. Some people do love it because of the ease of cracking it's license :-D . Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sunday, July 10, 2011 09:52 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations and Servers, and even for the Mac: http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list Aw, nobody put in a word for NOD32 from Eset? Well, I place it between Kaspersky KIS and above the rest. Some people do love it because of the ease of cracking it's license :-D . Really? Talk about irony. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sunday, July 10, 2011 05:50 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I must be the only one keeping entire/beggining of the conversation in mind why replying. Either that or I am nutz. Which one would you have us believe? :p But seriously, one thing you have to understand is that threads always drift. People have different takes on what it is that is in the way of the mass adoption of the Linux desktop. Everybody has their pet app that would singlehandedly put Linux on the desktop. Like 3D Pinball. /me ducks. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Christopher Chan wrote: But seriously, one thing you have to understand is that threads always drift. People have different takes on what it is that is in the way of the mass adoption of the Linux desktop. Everybody has their pet app that would singlehandedly put Linux on the desktop. Like 3D Pinball. /me ducks. Oh, I know that. And I also know I am too smart for my own good. Otherwise I would already have several kids and would be blissfully unaware of deeper issues of the world. /me sight Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 05:12 AM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:05:26PM -0700, Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Tell that to the gamers that drive computer sales and technology advances. /me rotfl. How big is the PC gaming market again? Compared to that of the console gaming market and other software markets. Oh, and the fact that crap like the Intel Atom have become rather popular. Where is the blooming mass market HMD? How many gamers play as depicted in .hack? Look at the blow gaming accessories such as joysticks, rudders and throttles have taken. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote: I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. One of my friends, a lady, not technical in any respect, uses Centos in preference to Windoze for her essential requirements like Facebook and web browsing. She thinks Centos is much faster than Windoze Vista on the same machine. Centos is usable on home PCs. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Giles Coochey wrote: On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. I have my on CentOS 5.x repository with things like OpenOffice 3.3, latest Skype (static) packed into rpm, and even virtual rpms that install from mine and other third repos all that I like in Desktop application of Linux. CentOS 6.0 will be even better since it has newer base packages supporting new, better developed applications. When you add Wine+PlayOnLinux (70+ of newer games like Call of Duty 4), but with stability..., you have a winner. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Giles Coochey wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir And the next ten years or free technical support :) I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. Well I'm *trying* to install M$ Vista on an Advent laptop. IMHO Compared to Centos 5.6, Vista is a royal pain. XP wasn't so bad. This is Vista Home Premium. The updates and security patches are a nightmare, compared to Centos's single yum update command. For Vista doing updates means putting patches on patches on patches. Why on earth can't the updates all be done at once, instead of update-reboot-reconfigure - then Windoze Update discovers more security patches, and the cycle begins again. How lame is that? I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13973805 'More than four million PCs have been enrolled in a botnet security experts say is almost indestructible. The botnet, known as TDL, targets Windows PCs and is difficult to detect and shut down. Code that hijacks a PC hides in places security software rarely looks and the botnet is controlled using custom-made encryption.' Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. I get all my extra codes from here: rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-20061022-1.i386.rpm rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-extra-20061022-1.i386.rpm I can play most audio and video formats on Centos 5.6 including MP3's and M$ format videos :) HTH Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote: I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. And NEVER EVER leave Automatic update. EVER. If you do, better shoot your self in the head, it will heart far less. Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? Sure. Any Powered down Windows is 100% secure :-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13973805 'More than four million PCs have been enrolled in a botnet security experts say is almost indestructible. The botnet, known as TDL, targets Windows PCs and is difficult to detect and shut down. Code that hijacks a PC hides in places security software rarely looks and the botnet is controlled using custom-made encryption.' There is over a billion Windows PC's in the world... When users starts experiencing major slowdown they go and by new PC. What to say... Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:42 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs, which I assume are the audio equivalent of printer drivers. I understand yum install gstreamer* adds the legal and the 'bad' codecs which makes unplayable music playable in Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ Cheers, B.J. RHEL 6.0, Linux 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
B.J. McClure wrote: Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote: I get all my extra codes from here: rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-20061022-1.i386.rpm rpm -ivh http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-extra-20061022-1.i386.rpm I can play most audio and video formats on Centos 5.6 including MP3's and M$ format videos :) Also not part of the official centos repo. And include codecs with license issues. Compare those mplayer-codecs packages and those shiped with Fedora and CentOS (or just look at Fedora and CentOS srpms) and you will see which codecs are removed from (official) Fedora and CentOS rpm's Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote: I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it on any of my non-techie friends... CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually desktop environments anyway. One of my friends, a lady, not technical in any respect, uses Centos in preference to Windoze for her essential requirements like Facebook and web browsing. She thinks Centos is much faster than Windoze Vista on the same machine. Centos is usable on home PCs. I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories, and then add few selected third party repositories and/or hosting some extra packages not available via yum (VirtualBox, Shorewall, newer versions of OpenOffice,...). I might even see if CentOS and third party repos could create release packages with added Priority value, third party with chosen number higher then 1. I already have something similar but it uses script to backup and delete current files in /etc/yum.repos.d and install modified .repo files with set priority value for chosen application. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: B.J. McClure wrote: Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3. ~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.19-2.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.1.el6.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.5.8-13.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.23-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.19-3.el6.rf.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.29-1.el6.x86_64 [bmcclure@house ~]$ RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Gee, I think I mentioned that in the first line of my post. Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Most everyone is aware of that, however, there is a legal distinction between using and distributing, at least where I live. Cheers, B.J. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos RHEL 6.0, Linux 2.6.32-131.2.1.el6.x86_64 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On 07/09/2011 08:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories, and then add few selected third party repositories and/or hosting some extra packages not available via yum (VirtualBox, Shorewall, newer versions of OpenOffice,...). I might even see if CentOS and third party repos could create release packages with added Priority value, third party with chosen number higher then 1. as long as there is no license issues or redistribution issues with components. And if there are clear upgrade paths for the components included, you could do something within .centos.org like that as well. However, that might be a conversation for the -devel list. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those you need non-free codecs. It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com But I assume it is still not part of the official repository since it is not open source which means it can be only in third party repositories which brings us back to the beginning: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
b.j. mcclure wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Gee, I think I mentioned that in the first line of my post. Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Most everyone is aware of that, however, there is a legal distinction between using and distributing, at least where I live. This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and similar. One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. That is why I said RPMForge is not the base/official repo but third party repo that needs to be installed in addition and most likely by someone other then noob. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Joseph L. Casale wrote: I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:) Ups. I am getting tired of replying tonight so... well I had in my mind that Extras is not Enabled by default. Was it always enabled? Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and forget the updates - they don't do much anyway! There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. Oh yes! I have heard about that before. All needed M$ updates on a CD or DVD. So you can update without having to do the downloads? Thanks for reminding me about that one Ljubomir! And NEVER EVER leave Automatic update. EVER. If you do, better shoot your self in the head, it will heart far less. So I found out the hard way recently. Stuck in an eternal update cycle!!! Is there such a thing as a secure Windoze computer? Sure. Any Powered down Windows is 100% secure :-) That's the best one to have! The only good thing I can say is there is quite alot of good GPL'd applications for Windoze on sourceforge and other websites. Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 03:55:43 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer framework. www.fluendo.com But I assume it is still not part of the official repository since it is not open source which means it can be only in third party repositories which brings us back to the beginning: True enough. The point was simply that a *fully patent license legal* MP3 codec is out there, and at no cost. But there is some hand-holding involved, true enough. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? This is a great and noble idea but you're going to cause unwanted problems for some people. And often times those people would rather pay the 100pounds extra for Windows than have to try and actually become computer fundies. My mother, father, in-laws, some friends and many of our client could benefit from the cost saving that Linux has to offer. But they won't change over, no matter you convinsing your story about computer liberty is, cause Linux simmply cannot replave Windows. Not for them at least. Linux doesn't work for everyone. CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) A modification of this idea could be to distribute Live versions of Centos that can run without altering a computer's hard disk(s). Wasn't, or isn't there a Live distro already? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers SoftDux Website: http://www.SoftDux.com Technical Blog: http://Blog.SoftDux.com Office: 087 805 9573 Cell: 082 554 7532 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$ site you might need and then you start the process of silent installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE, Adobe, .Net, ...) but there are not many reboots, 2-3 maybe, depends. When you reboot just start paching process again and it will pick where it left off. Oh yes! I have heard about that before. All needed M$ updates on a CD or DVD. So you can update without having to do the downloads? Thanks for reminding me about that one Ljubomir! It is not only CD/DVD. They were baned from distribution of M$ files, so you download Autopacher app (~700KB) and it will download everything you need. I keep it on USB flash, but DVD also works. The only good thing I can say is there is quite alot of good GPL'd applications for Windoze on sourceforge and other websites. There is also Comodo firewall (with some anti-malware addition). Not GPL but very much free:http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/firewall.php I am mantioning it because he irritates me when he starts to check every app I start. Annoying Security software is often better. But enough abput Windows or we will be flogged by folks here :-D Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hi Ljubomir, If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I have been using C 5 for 13 months. Thus I am certainly not an expert on it or on Linux generally. I have never ever had any problem whatsoever playing MP3 files on Centos 5.x I use Audacity as my preferred audio programme, generally importing .wav files and exporting them as .mp3 files. The mp3 files simply play and I have never had a problem. Perhaps I obtained the correct codecs without being aware they were fundamental to playing MP3 on Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. My repos are:- CentOS-Base.repo CentOS-Debuginfo.repo CentOS-Media.repo CentOS-Vault.repo elrepo.repo epel.repo epel-testing.repo kbsingh-CentOS-Misc.repo rpmforge.repo which specific codec do you need to play mp3 files in Centos ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: Hi Ljubomir, If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why would additional codecs be required ? Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and Fedora) I have been using C 5 for 13 months. Thus I am certainly not an expert on it or on Linux generally. I have never ever had any problem whatsoever playing MP3 files on Centos 5.x I use Audacity as my preferred audio programme, generally importing .wav files and exporting them as .mp3 files. The mp3 files simply play and I have never had a problem. Perhaps I obtained the correct codecs without being aware they were fundamental to playing MP3 on Centos/Gnome. As far as I know there is no codec in base repo that can play MP3 files. Not with Gstreamer nor with Xine. My repos are:- CentOS-Base.repo CentOS-Debuginfo.repo CentOS-Media.repo CentOS-Vault.repo elrepo.repo epel.repo epel-testing.repo kbsingh-CentOS-Misc.repo rpmforge.repo which specific codec do you need to play mp3 files in Centos ? From your repos it could be gstreamer-plugins-ugly package from RPMForge. There are also *-freeworld packages from rpmfusion repo I think. I use Amarok 1.4.14 to play music. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo. I did mention ... One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. The asterisk after gstreamer includes extras relating to gstreamer. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly- package for MP3 Quote: GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and correct functionality, but distributing them might pose problems. The license on either the plug-ins or the supporting libraries might not be how we'd like. The code might be widely known to present patent problems. Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos: I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo. I did mention ... One of the most useful things I discovered was:- yum install gstreamer* which installs seemingly everything required to run the most popular audio and video applications in Gnome. The asterisk after gstreamer includes extras relating to gstreamer. But MP3 support in your case came from RPMForge package (gstreamer-plugins-ugly). I have seen later that you were not aware of that, but that statement on clean CentOS with only official repos would be a false one. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hoi Rudi, CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) Centos 5.5 works well for my non-computer literate friends who use a computer for Facebook and web browsing. I use Centos 5.6 on servers, desktops, home server/desktop, laptop, notebook/netbook and would never willingly return to ghastly M$ Windoze. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:22 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends, colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be interested in trying Centos ? This is a great and noble idea but you're going to cause unwanted problems for some people. And often times those people would rather pay the 100pounds extra for Windows than have to try and actually become computer fundies. My mother, father, in-laws, some friends and many of our client could benefit from the cost saving that Linux has to offer. But they won't change over, no matter you convinsing your story about computer liberty is, cause Linux simmply cannot replave Windows. Not for them at least. Linux doesn't work for everyone. CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're going to sit with is just not worth it. Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :) most people primarily use a computer for web and e-mail and thus an iPad is probably all that they need except when they want to print something (ignoring for the moment that Apple pretty much makes you use a computer to interface/put things on/take things off an iPad). What seems to be significant is people's perception of what a computer should be, do and how to use and thus Windows struggles to retain as much UI from the earlier versions with each new release in order to prevent mass defection. The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:05:26PM -0700, Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Tell that to the gamers that drive computer sales and technology advances. John -- We have joy, we have fun, we have Linux on our Sun! -- Ralf Hildebrandt pgpMtSHoI1Gg4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hi Ljubomir, RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Experience 44 years - it makes me seem old :-( as computer programmer and the usual collection of other computer posts/tasks/assignments I truly believe with Centos and Gnome 90% of ordinary M$ Windoze users have what they need. If they use specialist databases and applications not HTML compatible (all mine are HTML compatible so they run on any operating system) they need something which will run in Centos/Gnome. Dosbox is excellent running pure M$ DOS programmes. Virtualbox and Wine can also help. Waiting for C6 with KVM as that does seem rather interesting. Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:58 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: But MP3 support in your case came from RPMForge package (gstreamer-plugins-ugly). I have seen later that you were not aware of that, but that statement on clean CentOS with only official repos would be a false one. The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as usual). I do not know where the mp3 playing ability came from. I am certain, however, it did NOT come from gstreamer-plugins-ugly because, at the time, I needed gstreamer-plugins-ugly for another task and I did not know then where to get it. My mp3 worked without gstreamer-plugins-ugly. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Craig White wrote: The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become irrelevant. Hm. First wider loss of internet access of something like Power loss in Japan will wake up most of the people that are now into Cloud based computing. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different. Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course of, for some, many years such a switchover will _never_ happen en masse. John -- Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html pgpgfBMLdMD4N.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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John R. Dennison wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative. While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different. Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course of, for some, many years such a switchover will _never_ happen en masse. Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote: ***snip*** Dosbox is excellent running pure M$ DOS programmes. Virtualbox and Wine can also help. A few years ago my neighbour knocked on my door with a DVD or CD in his hand. He said it was a freebie and was supposed to run on his M$ Xbox, but it would not work, and could I help him with it. I said well I'm only running Linux, so if it's for a M$ Xbox I don't think it would work on my machine. So to keep him happy. I put this CD/DVD into the drive and ROTFL it ran under Wine - but it would not work on the Xbox! So there you go M$, if you want a decent OS try Linux! Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:27 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:# Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- goo http resum -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Yes I understand that Ljubomir. But you can also set the look of most desktops as well, so the Linux desktop windows have a 'Windozey look and feel'. But this still does not take into the way Linux apps work, as opposed to the same or similar Windoze apps. But I guess that's to be expected anyway. The learning curve for most GUI apps is generally straight forward. Just common sense really. Almost any apps you would look for help under F1, and the File tab is going to be near that. There are some apps under Linux that are difficult to master, like the GIMP. Another one that comes to mind is Blender IIRC. But most other apps are just common sense to use in most cases IMHO. Kind Regards, Keith Roberts - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Meh. Avast, and others, have free licenses for non-commercial usage. If you're talking about commercial usage that's another story. John -- Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity. -- Marshall McLuhan pgp4FMzpfOxiM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning wrote: You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- goo http resum That is why I only install Kaspersky Internet Security on any Windows PC requesting security software. You must remember the wave of German Country and City computer networks converting to Linux. It was because they have seen Windows infrequently communicating with M$ servers even when their security specialists turned off *any* visible communication and update protocol/option. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:36:02PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? John -- Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies non-conformity; and non-conformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyalty -- so obviously thinking must be stopped [Call to Greatness, 1954] -- Adlai Stephenson pgpvMTk89BMZu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide Keith Roberts wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: ***snip*** Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Maybe they'd take a shine to KDE4 or Gnome 3 desktops? But that would mean using something like Fedora 15 with a maximum update lifetime of ~12 months, or another linux distro with a longer lifetime like Ubuntu ? I see now that I was misunderstood. I was talking about Apps abilities. My Windows app would do that automatically Why cant I lay MP3's at once? You did install Winamp-like app? In windows Winamp just plays my MP3's, and so on. The look and feel are not so much the problem as behavior of Apps and the likeness of the App's them selves. Intuitive like-Windows app behavior. Yes I understand that Ljubomir. But you can also set the look of most desktops as well, so the Linux desktop windows have a 'Windozey look and feel'. But this still does not take into the way Linux apps work, as opposed to the same or similar Windoze apps. But I guess that's to be expected anyway. The learning curve for most GUI apps is generally straight forward. Just common sense really. Almost any apps you would look for help under F1, and the File tab is going to be near that. There are some apps under Linux that are difficult to master, like the GIMP. Another one that comes to mind is Blender IIRC. But most other apps are just common sense to use in most cases IMHO. OK. I am concluding this for tonight (it's 23:44 here). I must be the only one keeping entire/beggining of the conversation in mind why replying. Either that or I am nutz. Again to the begining of this sub-thread: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Always Learning wrote: Pragmatically, either one wants mp3 files to play or one is not too bothered if they do not play. Short version (I am hungry): Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to fully replicate Windows environment with compatible Linux Apps. Period. Ljubomir So I was saying that having mp3 codecs(, seamless printing and scanning...) is important for convert from Windows and you guys started with GUI. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:43 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: That is why I only install Kaspersky Internet Security on any Windows PC requesting security software. You must remember the wave of German Country and City computer networks converting to Linux. It was because they have seen Windows infrequently communicating with M$ servers even when their security specialists turned off *any* visible communication and update protocol/option. Calling home is a dangerous feature in any software. Could Kaspersky be working with the Russian FSB or similar organisations? Russian spying in foreign countries has noticeably increased. Uncle Sam has the world's biggest spying operation, Google. I assume Yahoo is now on the same payroll. Microsoft probably lost some USA government funds because all its backdoors into users' computers were gradually detected. Even on Linux KDE presents some security risks in retaining information on the HDD after applications close, so too does nautilus. Motto use Linux (or BSDs or Solaris) and put all working files into RAM. That is easy with ln -s ... -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:45 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote: Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? Those with functioning brains should be able to realise the consequences of over-surveillance of civilian communities especially in times of peace :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
John R. Dennison wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Meh. Avast, and others, have free licenses for non-commercial usage. If you're talking about commercial usage that's another story. Neah. I am talking on how those free AV's are not worth the time spent in installing them. Only heavy-hitters like KIS (KAV not so much) Symantec NIS and one or two others are capable to stop really nasty bug taking over. Even heavy-hitters any at risk if they have idiot controlling them. I am cleaning after those free security software for ~10 years now. Last 5 years I only use Avira Free for stubborn customers with newly installed Windows or KIS in *any* other case (cleaning, securing). They (those free ones) are like having closed but unlocked doors in dangerous neighborhood. Bad guys think it's locked. But when they figure doors are unlockedbye-bye. Ljubomir ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:00:03AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Neah. I am talking on how those free AV's are not worth the time spent in installing them. Only heavy-hitters like KIS (KAV not so much) Symantec NIS and one or two others are capable to stop really nasty bug taking over. Even heavy-hitters any at risk if they have idiot controlling them. Symantec is garbage and has been for many years. Don't care for Kaspersky from past use, but that was indeed KAV as I've not used anything else from them. Perhaps I should evaluate their KIS offering. I've had absolutely no trouble whatsoever with Avast other than on my own personal desktop and that was strictly caused by my usage patterns and would not affect normal users in any way; I recommend and install avast on not only on family and friends boxes but on clients as well. John -- The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945), 32nd President of the United States, second inaugural address, 20 January 1937 pgp70rc5vtkBL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: Experience 44 years - it makes me seem old :-( as computer programmer and the usual collection of other computer posts/tasks/assignments I truly believe with Centos and Gnome 90% of ordinary M$ Windoze users have what they need. If they use specialist databases and applications not HTML compatible (all mine are HTML compatible so they run on any operating system) they need something which will run in Centos/Gnome. I agree. I set my brother and family up with CentOS about two years ago and his whole family uses it -- once it was set up it has required zero maintenance from me. Basically I just had to put the RPM forge in the repository. I have family and friends who use Windows and I've spent a *lot* more time supporting them then I do my father and brother who use Linux. That said, neither my Dad nor brother play major games on the computer, nor have they ever used M$ Office. My wife uses PowerPoint presentations and she doesn't want to change, so I support XP (on her Desktop) and Windows 7 on her Laptop. (The desktop came with Vista, but she had me install XP -- it took about 20 hours for her to make that decision -- Vista was a dog -- with apologies to dogs.) So, anyhow, you (generic you) might be surprised how many people could get along just fine with CentOS on the desktop now. A lot (I would almost say most) personal computer usage is now web-centered. Which is why Android and iOS (and others) are taking off. For me, personally, I went completely to Linux about three years ago. I never was a big game player and *never* liked M$ Office. I used WordStar for DOS for years, then went to Lotus SmartSuite before moving to Linux. I use a couple specialized Windows programs (NetObjects Fusion and Screenwriter -- and sometimes dBASE for Windows) which run fine in a Windows 2000 virtual machine under VirtualBox. I also occasionally use DOSBox, where I can run WordStar for DOS and dBASE for DOS. That's about all the Linux non-native stuff I use. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as usual). I do not know where the mp3 playing ability came from. To me it really doesn't matter where it (and the DVD stuff) comes from -- it's just a one-time repository set up anyhow and then it updates itself. What Windows users don't realize is that most of their codecs come from the add-on applications that need to be installed. At least it did in XP (not sure about Vista and Vista 7). Try playing a DVD without installing PowerDVD or burning CDs or DVDs without Nero (for example). The reason most Windows' users don't run into this issue is because their computers usually come pre-installed with OEM software. If you install Linux Mint (for one) you never have to worry about any of this either. And it's only a minor issue with CentOS and those distributions that don't come with codecs (and Flash, etc) pre-installed. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different. Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course of, for some, many years such a switchover will _never_ happen en masse. I don't think it's going to happen en masse, but I think it is happening. As more and more of computer usage goes to the Web (for non-power users, which are the majority) it becomes easier and easier to accept something other than Windows. I think, for example, the Asus running MeeGo is going to be more successful than Asus' previous Linux netbooks because folks are getting used to using Android and iOS on the Internet. They are beginning to think of the web browser as a replacement for the desktop. I think Google's ChromeOS *might* have been a success, had they not over-priced the machines -- but, personally, I want local storage. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for good AV/IS software is something they hate and most never do. And when you add the slowdown good AV/IS brings... jackpot. Yep. This is mainly why my brother and father went to Linux -- and it was finally why I finally went completely to Linux. I didn't have any major issues, I just got tired of waiting for my machines to download, update and run anti-virus and anti-malware applications each time I started them up. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:43 -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote: For me, personally, I went completely to Linux about three years ago. I never was a big game player and *never* liked M$ Office. I used WordStar for DOS for years, then went to Lotus SmartSuite before moving to Linux. I used Ami Pro 3 (from 1993) until I totally switched to Centos last year. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. 1 June 2010 Exclusively Centos Gnome. Liberated from M$ Windoze. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:36:02PM +0100, Always Learning wrote: You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million and more? In Firefox type into the URL box: about:config then search for these strings:- Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? So... did you always send your love letters on post cards? It's a matter of privacy. The government doesn't have the right to rifle through your computer without cause. It's a matter of principle. Or do you not believe that back doors exist? -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:45 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote: Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share? Those with functioning brains should be able to realise the consequences of over-surveillance of civilian communities especially in times of peace :-) Exactly. In the U.S. the whole Constitution was built around limiting government access to your private affairs. The Bill of Rights specifically laid it out: Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote: I used Ami Pro 3 (from 1993) until I totally switched to Centos last year. I liked Word Pro (never went as far back as Ami Pro) because it was cleaner than Office or WordPerfect. At first I tried WordStar for Windows, but it really wasn't WordStar and it was limited. Word Pro was just a better alternative. My Dad has Lotus SmartSuite installed in Wine, but he hardly ever uses it now -- he's gone to OpenOffice. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
