Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[James Hogarth]

On 19 September 2017 at 21:15,  wrote:

> Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
> >> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.
> >
> > It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true, and
> > I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that ;-), as about
> 
> Yeah, in addition to my reaction to "you're using *whitespace* as a syntax
> element?!", I had an early dislike of python, when each new sub-release
> broke things that had worked in the previous.
>
>
>
For what it's worth at this time I'd use one of the PHP7 options with the
upstream

https://www.hogarthuk.com/?q=node/15

Getting the owncloud and nextcloud EPEL packages updated are on my to-do
list, but family and work matters have limited my time in the recent months.

The EPEL versions cannot go to the latest though due to the minimum PHP
version jump.

At this point I'd recommend you use the upstream archive (just untar/unzip
it) and the most recent PHP in either IUS, remi or SCL (depending which
repo you feel more comfortable with ... see my article for the differences
but they are all trustworthy).

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[m . roth]

Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>
> On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
>> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.
>
> It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true, and
> I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that ;-), as about

Yeah, in addition to my reaction to "you're using *whitespace* as a syntax
element?!", I had an early dislike of python, when each new sub-release
broke things that had worked in the previous.

  mark

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Valeri Galtsev]

On Tue, September 19, 2017 1:42 pm, Nux! wrote:
> Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.

It is not as much true about languages themselves (though it is true, and
I for one call python "sneaky snake" just because of that ;-), as about
how the software using these languages is written. E.g. well known
mailman. I never had it give me any trouble wherever I have/had it
installed, even though it is written in "sneaky snake" (python). This is
example of brilliantly written software! So, all these incompatibilities
and upgrade trouble, or rather absence of thereof, is about how well the
programmers have written their code. Namely, whether they use only
fundamental abilities of the language which are unlikely to change for
long time, or chase after one day fancy features that tend to evaporate
quickly, or get transformed soon.

I probably should have put "rant" tags... or maybe shouldn't.

Valeri

>
> Personally I think it's perfectly reasonable to track Nextcloud upgrades
> combined with SCL major upgrades once every couple of years.
>
> Check life times here:
> https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhscl
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> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jonathan Billings" <billi...@negate.org>
>> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September, 2017 19:06:55
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version
>> dilemma
>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:59:00PM +0200, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:
>>> With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
>>> If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.
>>>
>>> If you want something stable, don't run PHP.
>>
>> Unfortunately, with that philosophy but not much systems management
>> experience, you end up with custom-compiled and local installs of PHP
>> that get no security updates, particularly as you get version lock-in
>> by the web application developers, or when you have a sysadmin move on
>> to a new position or company.
>>
>> I think the statement "If you want something stable, don't run PHP" is
>> a very wise statement though.
>>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[rainer]

Am 2017-09-19 20:06, schrieb Jonathan Billings:

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:59:00PM +0200, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:

With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.

If you want something stable, don't run PHP.


Unfortunately, with that philosophy but not much systems management
experience, you end up with custom-compiled and local installs of PHP
that get no security updates, particularly as you get version lock-in
by the web application developers, or when you have a sysadmin move on
to a new position or company.




Yep.
We've got a lot of those "abandoned" PHP webs that can't be moved 
because they only run on anything between PHP 4.4 and 5.5


Usually it's Typo3 or so.
To move from Typo3 4.3 on PHP 5.3 to PHP 7, you'd have to upgrade to 
Typo3 6.something on that PHP5.3 host, then move that installation to a 
PHP 5.5 host, where you could upgrade to Typo3 7 LTS, which you could 
then move to a PHP 7 host.
Obviously, none of the custom extensions and a lot of "hacks" would 
survive even the first upgrade/move - and thankfully usually everybody 
is sane enough to even think about doing that.


You'd have to start from scratch, which would cost the customer real 
money (would have to pay some agency to re-design the website), so it 
never gets done.
This is especially true for customers from the hospitality sector, which 
are especially stingy for any kind of expenditures. Because, as 
everybody can see, the website still runs and as such it does not need 
an upgrade.



I think the statement "If you want something stable, don't run PHP" is
a very wise statement though.



PHP is not stable in the same sense as RHEL 7 is stable.
On RHEL, it's sort-of stable - but only for a rather small amount of PHP 
modules.
And as such, it's not (IMO) useful for anything but legacy stuff that 
you can't move or upgrade.





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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Nux!]

Unfortunately the same can be said about Ruby, RoR, Python etc etc etc.

Personally I think it's perfectly reasonable to track Nextcloud upgrades 
combined with SCL major upgrades once every couple of years.

Check life times here:
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhscl

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- Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan Billings" <billi...@negate.org>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September, 2017 19:06:55
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:59:00PM +0200, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:
>> With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
>> If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.
>> 
>> If you want something stable, don't run PHP.
> 
> Unfortunately, with that philosophy but not much systems management
> experience, you end up with custom-compiled and local installs of PHP
> that get no security updates, particularly as you get version lock-in
> by the web application developers, or when you have a sysadmin move on
> to a new position or company.
> 
> I think the statement "If you want something stable, don't run PHP" is
> a very wise statement though.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Jonathan Billings]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:59:00PM +0200, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:
> With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
> If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.
> 
> If you want something stable, don't run PHP.

Unfortunately, with that philosophy but not much systems management
experience, you end up with custom-compiled and local installs of PHP
that get no security updates, particularly as you get version lock-in
by the web application developers, or when you have a sysadmin move on
to a new position or company.

I think the statement "If you want something stable, don't run PHP" is
a very wise statement though.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[rainer]

Am 2017-09-19 09:36, schrieb Nicolas Kovacs:

Hi,

I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.

In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.

1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite 
some

time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
Which is fine.

2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
backports.

3. The solution would be to go with Nextcloud 10, which only requires
PHP 5.4, and which is also provided in package form by EPEL. 'yum info
nextcloud' shows that the current EPEL version is 10.0.4... but a peek
on the Nextcloud homepage shows me that this version is officially
unsupported. Uh oh.

4. Some of the stuff I'm hosting on my CentOS 7 server (like CMSMS) is
not compatible with PHP 7.x versions.

So right now I don't see a solution for this. As far as I can see, the
"least evil" solution would be to pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic and go
for Nextcloud 11.x, and have an EOL for both around next summer.

I'd be curious if some of you are familiar with this sort of dilemma (I
guess so) and how you manage it.



I'm not familiar with running PHP on CentOS at all.

IMO, the default PHP-RPMs are not designed to be used for anything as 
dynamic as Own or NextCloud (or just about any other PHP project that 
isn't already dead).


PHP has a completely different release-model than RHEL.

As such, the version of PHP that comes with RHEL will almost always be 
outdated.



RedHat knows this and it seems it's available via SCL (Software 
Collections).



There's this KB article about it:

https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2146821


The gist of this is:

"Resolution
PHP v7.0 is available , however PHP v7.1 is still not available. We are 
already tracking this in a Feature Request to include rh-php-71 under 
Bug 1435193.
PHP v7.0 was first made available for RHEL 6 & RHEL 7 via Red Hat 
Software Collections (RHSCL) v2.3 as the rh-php70 collection

RHEA-2016:2730 - Product Enhancement Advisory"


https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/rh-php70/


With PHP, I try to stay as close to upstream as possible.
If upstream EOLs a version, it's time to upgrade.

If you want something stable, don't run PHP.





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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Nux!]

+1 SCL, as Johnny says this is what they are for.
You can easily run multiple PHP versions via php-fpm, fastcgi etc.

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> From: "johnny" <joh...@centos.org>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September, 2017 14:25:08
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

> On 09/19/2017 06:41 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
>> Am 19.09.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs <i...@microlinux.fr>:
>>>
>>> I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
>>> CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
>>> own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
>>> Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.
>>>
>>> 1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
>>> time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
>>> Which is fine.
>>>
>>> 2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
>>> branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
>>> pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
>>> PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
>>> backports.
>> 
>> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade
>> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.
> 
> Or, how about you just use SCLs .. that is what they are for:
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php56/
> 
> Or even
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php70/
> 
> See:
> 
> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Leon Fauster]

> Am 19.09.2017 um 15:25 schrieb Johnny Hughes :
> 
> On 09/19/2017 06:41 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
>> Am 19.09.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs :
>>> 
>>> I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
>>> CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
>>> own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.
>>> 
>>> In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
>>> Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.
>>> 
>>> 1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
>>> time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
>>> Which is fine.
>>> 
>>> 2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
>>> branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
>>> pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
>>> PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
>>> backports.
>> 
>> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
>> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.
> 
> Or, how about you just use SCLs .. that is what they are for:
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php56/


SCL's support for rh-php56 has ended (April 2018).

PHP's official support until 31 Dec 2018.



> Or even
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php70/


SCL's support until Nov 2019.

PHP's official support until 3 Dec 2018.

So, reasonable. 


> See:
> 
> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo


Expecting that the next SCL release will provide PHP 7.1.

SCL packages should be preferred, instead of using 3rd party 
repositories (not arguing against any of them - more focusing 
manageability, integration, dependencies etc.).   


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Johnny Hughes]

On 09/19/2017 08:25 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 09/19/2017 06:41 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
>> Am 19.09.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs :
>>>
>>> I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
>>> CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
>>> own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
>>> Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.
>>>
>>> 1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
>>> time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
>>> Which is fine.
>>>
>>> 2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
>>> branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
>>> pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
>>> PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
>>> backports.
>>
>> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
>> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.
> 
> Or, how about you just use SCLs .. that is what they are for:
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php56/
> 
> Or even
> 
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php70/
> 
> See:
> 
> https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo

Or use openshift origin and setup a unique set of containers for each
application that is a mix of whatever versions of things that you need:

https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/PaaS

https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/PaaS/OpenShift



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Johnny Hughes]

On 09/19/2017 06:41 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
> Am 19.09.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs :
>>
>> I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
>> CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
>> own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.
>>
>> In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
>> Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.
>>
>> 1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
>> time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
>> Which is fine.
>>
>> 2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
>> branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
>> pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
>> PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
>> backports.
> 
> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.

Or, how about you just use SCLs .. that is what they are for:

http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php56/

Or even

http://mirror.centos.org/centos/7/sclo/x86_64/rh/rh-php70/

See:

https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCLo




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Leon Fauster]

> Am 19.09.2017 um 14:50 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs :
> 
> Le 19/09/2017 à 13:41, Leon Fauster a écrit :
>> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
>> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't have a Red Hat account, so I can't submit any bug
> reports.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/createaccount.cgi

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 19/09/2017 à 13:41, Leon Fauster a écrit :
> Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
> from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.

Unfortunately I don't have a Red Hat account, so I can't submit any bug
reports.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Leon Fauster]

Am 19.09.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs :
> 
> I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
> CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
> own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.
> 
> In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
> Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.
> 
> 1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
> time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
> Which is fine.
> 
> 2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
> branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
> pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
> PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
> backports.

Try to ask upstream (bugzilla) to evaluate an officially upgrade 
from 5.4 to 5.6, that would give you support until EOL of EL7.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Timotheus Pokorra]

This may be a very far-fetched idea, but here goes. I don't know much
about Docker, just fiddled around with it a couple hours in a VM. Since
I have to host various PHP applications with different requirements
(some require 5.4, some 5.6, some 7.0), I wonder if it would be a
solution in theory to host several PHP versions (e. g. several 
different

LAMP servers) on the same physical machine using Docker.


Try LXC containers.
An LXC container is much more like a virtual machine, without much 
overhead.

It has less a learning curve than Docker.

I have some scripts for setting up my lxc containers, and maintaining 
them:

https://github.com/tpokorra/lxc-scripts
See the Readme.

Hope this is useful,
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

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Sent: den 19 september 2017 10:01
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Le 19/09/2017 à 09:48, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> I agree however, everytime I want to mess with OC I get to do the php-dance...
> Irritating, but I guess that's the deal if you want the stability and 
> compatibility CentOS is offering.

This may be a very far-fetched idea, but here goes. I don't know much
about Docker, just fiddled around with it a couple hours in a VM. Since
I have to host various PHP applications with different requirements
(some require 5.4, some 5.6, some 7.0), I wonder if it would be a
solution in theory to host several PHP versions (e. g. several different
LAMP servers) on the same physical machine using Docker.

Any suggestions?



For me that would be over-kill, but for others that have bigger solutions it 
might be a good idea.
Docker is however bit of a white area on my map, here there be dragons. :-)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 19/09/2017 à 09:48, Sorin Srbu a écrit :
> I agree however, everytime I want to mess with OC I get to do the php-dance...
> Irritating, but I guess that's the deal if you want the stability and 
> compatibility CentOS is offering.

This may be a very far-fetched idea, but here goes. I don't know much
about Docker, just fiddled around with it a couple hours in a VM. Since
I have to host various PHP applications with different requirements
(some require 5.4, some 5.6, some 7.0), I wonder if it would be a
solution in theory to host several PHP versions (e. g. several different
LAMP servers) on the same physical machine using Docker.

Any suggestions?

Niki

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Sorin Srbu]

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From: CentOS [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Kovacs
Sent: den 19 september 2017 09:37
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Subject: [CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

Hi,

I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.

In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.

1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
Which is fine.

2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
backports.

3. The solution would be to go with Nextcloud 10, which only requires
PHP 5.4, and which is also provided in package form by EPEL. 'yum info
nextcloud' shows that the current EPEL version is 10.0.4... but a peek
on the Nextcloud homepage shows me that this version is officially
unsupported. Uh oh.

4. Some of the stuff I'm hosting on my CentOS 7 server (like CMSMS) is
not compatible with PHP 7.x versions.

So right now I don't see a solution for this. As far as I can see, the
"least evil" solution would be to pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic and go
for Nextcloud 11.x, and have an EOL for both around next summer.

I'd be curious if some of you are familiar with this sort of dilemma (I
guess so) and how you manage it.






Been there, still doing that.

At work we have an OC-server v9 running off of CentOS 7.3 on which I installed 
PHP 5.6. I don't dare installing PHP 7 in case something breaks.

On my own private OC at home, I have OC v10 running with PHP 7.0.
The only other service I have on that service is Piwigo which runs just fine 
with that php-version.

I agree however, everytime I want to mess with OC I get to do the php-dance...
Irritating, but I guess that's the deal if you want the stability and 
compatibility CentOS is offering.
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[CentOS] CentOS, PHP & OwnCloud/Nextcloud: the version dilemma

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Hi,

I'm currently experimenting with OwnCloud and Nextcloud on a sandbox
CentOS 7 server. I've been using OwnCloud for the last two years for my
own purposes on a Slackware server, and I'm quite happy with it.

In my humble opinion, every admin who wants to host OwnCloud or
Nextcloud on a RHEL/CentOS server is confronted with a version dilemma.

1. CentOS 7 sports PHP 5.4, which has been officially EOL for quite some
time, but Red Hat will provide security update backports until 2024.
Which is fine.

2. Currently supported versions of Nextcloud (namely the 11.x and 12.x
branch) require a minimum of PHP 5.6. Which seems reasonable. But if I
pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic, for example, I only get the "official"
PHP support, which will end in 2018 for the 5.6 branch. And no security
backports.

3. The solution would be to go with Nextcloud 10, which only requires
PHP 5.4, and which is also provided in package form by EPEL. 'yum info
nextcloud' shows that the current EPEL version is 10.0.4... but a peek
on the Nextcloud homepage shows me that this version is officially
unsupported. Uh oh.

4. Some of the stuff I'm hosting on my CentOS 7 server (like CMSMS) is
not compatible with PHP 7.x versions.

So right now I don't see a solution for this. As far as I can see, the
"least evil" solution would be to pull in PHP 5.6 from Webtatic and go
for Nextcloud 11.x, and have an EOL for both around next summer.

I'd be curious if some of you are familiar with this sort of dilemma (I
guess so) and how you manage it.

Cheers,

Niki Kovacs
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