Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Jake Shipton wrote: Post #148. You count your posts? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
From: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57:42 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate Gabriel - IP Guys wrote: When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is, “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”. That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get some work done J I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. I think, with the we'll release when it's ready should come the we'll announce it after it has finished syncing to the mirrors. Would solve a few problems. JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On 16/10/09 09:38, Ian Blackwell wrote: Jake Shipton wrote: Post #148. You count your posts? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No, that's the post # in the thread, of which I linked to (Eg, the one to look at). -- Jake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Jake Shipton wrote: On 16/10/09 09:38, Ian Blackwell wrote: Jake Shipton wrote: Post #148. You count your posts? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No, that's the post # in the thread, of which I linked to (Eg, the one to look at). Oh. My mistake. Sorry :) Ian ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Les Mikesell a écrit : I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. Well, I'm glad they actually *do* repeat that special mistake. Do you prefer we'll-release-next-week-whatever-that-may-break ? In that case, stick with Ubuntu Server. Cheers, Niki ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Niki Kovacs schrieb: Les Mikesell a écrit : I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. Well, I'm glad they actually *do* repeat that special mistake. Do you prefer we'll-release-next-week-whatever-that-may-break ? In that case, stick with Ubuntu Server. It's good to have a fixed date to work towards. Otherwise, you get feature-creep, where more and more stuff goes into the release but never stabilizes. FreeBSD does it pretty well - they never release on-time, but at least they work towards the dates and clearly push stuff back one or two minor-releases when they see that they can't stabilize it. CentOS OTOH has a fixed feature-set (that of the corresponding RHEL release) that it must complete. So, necessarily the release-date is more or less open. If you have 500 boxes, you are not going to update them all on the same day that RHAT releases 5.x anyway. Rainer ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
First I'd like to make sure I am not complaining about this delay between the RHEL and CentOS releases per se. I did not help in any way to make it happen faster and usually I don't mind having a three weeks gap between them. But I've noticed that we had two security related kernel updates from RHEL since the RHEL 5.3 release and there is no word on when it will be released or why is it taking so long. So hope it would release soon ~~~ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Gabriel - IP Guys gabr...@impactteachers.com wrote: Dear All, If someone asks a question such as “When is Centos 5.4 coming out” bare in mind that it may be because they genuinely want to know when it’s coming out, and feel that somehow, they have not been privy to that information. To me, I see CentOS as a polished professional product given what it is, a repackaging of RHEL, and to that end I have the expectation of a fully fledged professional product, which includes static release dates. (I know it’s not always possible, so please, no flames) I say this with love, and all the maturity that goes with it, “I can’t WAIT for CentOS 5.4!!!” but at least I have the luxury of understanding the process which prevents 5.4 from coming out on a particular day. The owners of 600 or so servers out there which I look after, like to believe they are techie people, because they can use Google, and they can read a few articles that say Centos 5.4 on the way. I get very regular emails asking why there server is still on centos 5.2, and I have to explain, if it’s not broke, I'm not fixing it! On TV, when you watch a commercial that tells you of the latest blockbuster movie – there is a date attached. The next butt kicking FPS for Xbox 360... has a release date. So many products that have a “limited” life span (iPods, games consoles, mobile phones, books, songs) are planned with a “static” release date, and if that date is missed, bad press is almost a guarantee! The point I'm making, is that people have become used to knowing when things will happen. (I believe this is illustrated in the number of people fascinated with Flash Forward! Google is your friend). So, give them a break – and the idiots that insult other people who obviously do not understand how things work need to instead take the time, and understand that the internet is no longer the domain/hangout of the technically savvy. Even Linux is no longer the realm of only the technical geniuses, (although there are a lot of us!) When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is, “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”. That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get some work done J --- Kind Regards, Mr Gabriel ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Rainer Duffner rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: It's good to have a fixed date to work towards. Otherwise, you get feature-creep, where more and more stuff goes into the release but never stabilizes. I don't think feature-creep is an issue in CentOS. I think the goal is simply to make CentOS a community version of Red Hat. (Simply in quotes because I've come to realize that the process is not always that simple.) -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
On 10/16/2009 05:25 AM, Rainer Duffner wrote: Niki Kovacs schrieb: Les Mikesell a écrit : I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. Well, I'm glad they actually *do* repeat that special mistake. Do you prefer we'll-release-next-week-whatever-that-may-break ? In that case, stick with Ubuntu Server. It's good to have a fixed date to work towards. Otherwise, you get feature-creep, where more and more stuff goes into the release but never stabilizes. FreeBSD does it pretty well - they never release on-time, but at least they work towards the dates and clearly push stuff back one or two minor-releases when they see that they can't stabilize it. CentOS OTOH has a fixed feature-set (that of the corresponding RHEL release) that it must complete. So, necessarily the release-date is more or less open. Well, in this case, we have no feature creep or control on what will be on the ISOs and in the tree. We do have to test our builds (as we do NOT release upstream RPMS, we rebuild their SRPMS and make our own RPMS which need to be compared/tested). We release it ASAP ... the minute that we can (after some QA testing). If you have 500 boxes, you are not going to update them all on the same day that RHAT releases 5.x anyway. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On 10/15/2009 07:12 AM, Mathew S. McCarrell wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mbneto mbn...@gmail.com mailto:mbn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Soon means soon ... we have to get the tree stable on many servers before we can make it available. This stuff takes time. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
Majian wrote on 10/16/2009 06:57 AM: ... But I've noticed that we had two security related kernel updates from RHEL since the RHEL 5.3 release and there is no word on when it will be released or why is it taking so long. So hope it would release soon ~~~ The -164 kernel has been in updates for some time and the -164.2.1 kernel is in [centosplus] if you can't wait for 5.4. https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-1455.html Phil ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Soon means soon ... we have to get the tree stable on many servers before we can make it available. This stuff takes time. I think this is the major source of this latest flurry about the release date. The twitter posting from KB said soon and then things went quiet for 2 days without any additional information posted. As a matter of fact, there is still nothing posted to the blog. I think most people assume soon is sometime that day or the next. By saying that, KB unfortunately set people's expectations to a shorter timeframe than what reality needed. We all understand things take time. We can all accept that, but its hard to gauge how long things take when we are not involved in the process. We are looking to the developers to help us set our expectations correctly. Johnny's post on the centos mirror announce list was a much better posting: The CentOS 5.4 tree will begin syncing out on the CentOS and CentOS-incdvd targets in the next 24-48 hours That sets people's expectations to a timeframe without any misinterpretation. Please do not take this posting as negative or complaining. I am trying to offer constructive criticism to help avoid some of these misunderstandings in the future. Neil -- Neil Aggarwal, (281)846-8957, www.JAMMConsulting.com Will your e-commerce site go offline if you have a DB server failure, fiber cut, flood, fire, or other disaster? If so, ask about our geographically redundant database system. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! I find this message at least rude! Why don't you show the bank transfers to the guys that do this? Also I seriously doubt the need of urgent update if you don't have the money (business) to use the supported and fast developed USV os. All i can say for myself and my ~140 servers (HPC+ others) is Thank you guys for your sweat and patience smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. mg. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:21 -0400 Toby Bluhm t...@alltechmedusa.com wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you +1 I will not give any money to the Redhat, i want this from you for free :-) Best regards, Bob ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
You know if this was a new X-Box, or PlayStation, we might be sleeping in a tent next to the front of the store selling them wait for the store to be open. Or sleeping in line at the New Opening Release of Star Wars 12 Return of the O/S... We are all a little bit of a geek and this stuff gets us going. It is new, it is the latest and greatest and the expectation slows down the time line to a crawl, and at times seems like it is going in reverse ( only in our mind )... People understand that there is a great deal of work going on in the back ground, but again most of us don't have a clue about what is going on or what is needed to put a distribution set out. I'll say it again, for Version 5.5, lets put up a simple page that details ( not in depth ) some of the steps required to publish the distribution. Show the mile markers that we need to achieve and check them off as we get to them. Be like Scotty on Star Trek, Oh Capitan it will take me 6 months to get the warp engines back on line... Pad the release time, then do it in three, at that point you are freaking great programmers and surpassed all expectations... I've worked in distribution sales, and people like to be stroked, even if you have no new information, information is information and they know that something is going on. I fought this for many years, with the answer that... Hey, nothing new is going on it is the same answer as yesterday.. But by giving out information even if it is the same old information makes everyone feel like they are in the loop. Here is an example that could have stopped this whole thread... First Message... 5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. release ~ soon! Next Message 5.4 is still syncing up, this will take some time, but we are moving forward, more information to follow. It doesn't take much to keep people happy. As I was typing this, I saw another post which I felt was out of line and harsh, we need to learn to keep egos in check and understand that nothing gets done if we keep attacking the people who are doing the work. They become distracted, and mistakes are more likely to happen. We don't need to know every detail, the basics will do, and what would help is getting a bit more information rather than the silence or when its done message... Again most of this turmoil is due to ignorance on the part of we who don't know how the process works, and a bit of arrogance on the part of those who do know, what we need is more tolerance. Being a tolerant person to a degree.. Work on keep on a baking and lets cook the heck out of Centos 5.4 I can hardly wait... John Plemons attachment: john.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Adrian Sevcenco schrieb: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! I find this message at least rude! It was ironic. Not rude. Rainer ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:28:11 +0100 Marcelo M. Garcia marcelo.maia.gar...@googlemail.com wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. mg. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Do you really doesn't sense the sarcasm in this post ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. lol! can't believe some people took Toby's post seriously :-D strapped wireless webcam? come on! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. Someone is obviously sarcasm-challenged today. But there is a middle ground for people who would like a best-effort idea of what to expect. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote: Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. lol! can't believe some people took Toby's post seriously :-D strapped wireless webcam? come on! You never know these days. You can expecting everything. mg. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you ROTFL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg nicolas.thierry-m...@imag.fr wrote: Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you Hey!!! Calm down dude. Just take it easy man, go and what some Big Lebowski. lol! can't believe some people took Toby's post seriously :-D strapped wireless webcam? come on! When I first saw it I took it seriously ... there was a thread not long ago that wanted basically the same thing as the first 1/3rd. I read the first sentence and thought WTF dude but then read a bit more and thought DOH! to myself. Use of [sarcasm] ... [/sarcasm] can be helpful in e-mail conversations especially when discussions become heated. Paul ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: Someone is obviously sarcasm-challenged today. But there is a middle ground for people who would like a best-effort idea of what to expect. and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed, you already know the answer -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On 16/10/09 14:13, Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! Thank you [Sarcasm] Good idea! Who wants to chip in and help pay for those web-cams? :D Lets all buy one web-cam each for them, we'll need something like 200, so that we can have them put, in each corner of their workspace, so we know exactly what their doing, even if it's something we don't want to see them doing at night. While we're at it, we could also install VNC to their machines so we can watch from their also. We also need cameras in their kitchen, and local food shops, so we can even see what they eat! [/Sarcasm] -- Jake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
R P Herrold wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: Someone is obviously sarcasm-challenged today. But there is a middle ground for people who would like a best-effort idea of what to expect. and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed, you already know the answer It's also the sort of thing people in a community try to do for each other without needing legal terms for enforcement. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Adrian Sevcenco wrote: Toby Bluhm wrote: You Centos guys just aren't getting the message are you? We need to know EXACTLY what is going on with the release! None of this soon crap will do. Please post a progress report on packages built, isos transfered, server update progress by region, hours worked, keystrokes typed, bathroom breaks, hours slept, family time taken. Bar charts would be a nice touch. We need to know these things! Our very lives hang upon this release. Strap a wireless webcam to your head for god's sake and broadcast your every move. Verbalized every action. Quit leaving us in the lurch! I find this message at least rude! ... free to a good home, one sense of humor. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Look, it's not me that wants it. It's . . . it's the servers, OKAY? I think they've got a jones on for 5.4. I walk past the cpu room and hear trashing and growling. I look inside and it's all quiet and normal and all that - but I *know* something is going on in there. They're emanating a serious attitude. I mean I type ls -las or ps ax at an ssh term and I get a pause there, like its saying Maybe I'll show you, maybe I won't! Time for a webcam in the server room. -- tkb ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: R P Herrold wrote: and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed, you already know the answer It's also the sort of thing people in a community try to do for each other without needing legal terms for enforcement. You raise a new argument, an orthogonal strawman, as is your wont, switching to 'try to do' -- I'll close the old one first. 'best efforts' means 'stay at the post until properly relieved' That is not generally compatible with a 'when it is right' ship criteria. 'best efforts' is certainly not something compatible for third-parties to demand in the context of a 'social voluntary' effort using non-paid staffing and absent privity. 'best efforts' may in fact be freely given, but to foster or further an 'expectation mentality' is to deny reality and to set up false expectations. Turning to the lesser standard of 'try to do', we are back to the circumstance of the a third party projecting their expectations into an objective reality, talking endlessly about it but doing nothing, and then being disappointed when the desired outcome does not appear Sorry: we don't have a magic pink pony for such people here. -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
R P Herrold wrote: and 'best-efforts' is a SLA concept -- if an SLA is needed, you already know the answer It's also the sort of thing people in a community try to do for each other without needing legal terms for enforcement. You raise a new argument, an orthogonal strawman, as is your wont, switching to 'try to do' -- I'll close the old one first. No, I've only had one all along, although perhaps it was misunderstood. That is, that there are many people using CentOS in roles where being able to plan ahead is helpful. All of them almost certainly have real world experience and know that plans don't always work out, but having some idea of what to expect is better than none. 'best efforts' is certainly not something compatible for third-parties to demand in the context of a 'social voluntary' effort using non-paid staffing and absent privity. 'best efforts' may in fact be freely given, but to foster or further an 'expectation mentality' is to deny reality and to set up false expectations. No one questions your effort on the technical side - or has a right to. Why is it so hard to share what is going on? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: Soon means soon ... we have to get the tree stable on many servers before we can make it available. This stuff takes time. Take all the time you need, as always. We all appreciate the great work you folks do, and if anyone doesn't want to wait, there's always Red Hat. Mark Hull-Richter Expert CentOS/Linux/C Software Developer Registered Linux User #472807 - sign up at http://counter.li.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: No one questions your effort on the technical side - or has a right to. Why is it so hard to share what is going on? I began publishing the pre-centos cAos (or fedora.us) buildsystem in February 2002 under the GPL (then v2) and updated it from time to time thereafter. Buildsystem batons have been handed around ever since, and each new person using it and ones like it (inside and outside of CentOS) finds their own way to distribution stabilization It has been continuously available for anon FTP for those who would read and follow along. If a person wants push updates, send me a diff or solution under a GPLv3+ to read -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? - Regards. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, mbneto mbn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? - Regards. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos See http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-mirror-announce/2009-October/01.html -- Mathew S. McCarrell Clarkson University '10 mccar...@gmail.com mccar...@clarkson.edu 1-518-314-9214 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On 15/10/09 14:41, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Agreed, doesn't really help. But mbneto, in the forum, in the When will 5.4 be released thread, (Massive flame war going on their if you want to join in ;-) ) hughesjr said it should be out in a couple of days. so not long to wait now :-) Which you can see here: https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22004viewmode=flatorder=ASCstart=147 Post #148. -- Jake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Many of the questions are due to ignorance from many of us not versed in what it take s to come up with the release. For Version 5.5 when we get that far, if some one could work up a quick and dirty web page checklist showing the basic progress and what steps are left to bring the release to the public are detailed for everyone to see, then these questions might stop. And so might the sharp quips given as responses to the inquiry. Let me say before I get quipped. that I do not have the skills ( haven't learned them ) to go through this process of building the release, I'm more of a hardware guy. But I really do appreciate all of those who can do the work for doing what you do and for the selfless work that you do. You benefit the Linux world through your work and are very much loved by us who can't do it... Again forgive us who can't since we have no concept of the time and energy that it takes to do the work. John Plemons Jeremy Rosengren wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos attachment: john.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Jeremy Rosengren wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j +1 Annoying and rude. mg. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Jeremy Rosengren wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br mailto:mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j +1 Annoying and rude. This might be why the Linux community as a whole gets such a bad rap. -Drew ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Drew Weaver wrote: Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. This response is just as annoying as the request for an update. -- j +1 Annoying and rude. This might be why the Linux community as a whole gets such a bad rap. -Drew This whole thread and these answers are uncalled for. All of them, except for the original above at the top. We know that CentOS releases are 4 weeks, plus or minus a few, after the release of the upstream OS. Questions of When it will it be released are fruitless when, on the CentOS main site, they have been clearly answered. 4 weeks, give or take a few, with updates on Twitter. If they are late because YOU think they are, what are you doing to help them? The testers have their hands full, and now they must handle flame wars, and be discouraged by people lobbing fireballs at them because their free OS hasn't been released on time, according to your liking. Might I remind everyone that 5.4 was released, in part, a WEEK after it came out...remember the security updates? Those were released because they didn't affect the functionality of the OS. So in effect, you do have some of it on your system already! Please reconsider what all of you are saying here. I want it out just as much as you do...and with some simple investigation, one can find out that it's due out in 4 weeks or afterwards, and a simple tweet or message that we are two weeks behind or something should be fine. I don't care for progress reports, graphs to show how things are coming along. That takes time away from doing the important work. And I have gotten those updates fine on Twitter. Now, could they be better advertised? Is that flawless? No, but nothing is. But with simple one or two-line messages that we're on track, or give us a few more weeks, it should be more than sufficient for you. And I've seen that on their Twitter updates page. Not perfect, but still an excellent way to see that they're working on it. Daily/weekly bugging is only going to make people mad, cause friction, and a frustrated response like on top which will, obviously, offend some people. But if you want it THAT bad, switch to RHEL, or another Linux flavor, or Windows. The principal of you get what you pay for gets blown out of the water with Linux, and by the CentOS team. We have no right to be frustrated if it is not on a schedule we want it to be on, and certainly not if we aren't helping, or even contributing to the slowdown of the release data because of squabbles like this. Sure, I wanted it yesterday. And if I REALLY wanted it yesterday, I'd have paid for RHEL entitlements instead. Until then, your security fixes are out (except for a few late ones), and 5.4 is syncing to the mirrors. On time. Thanks, CentOS development team...for those who are very grateful for what you do. I'm patiently waiting to see the fine work you've done! *** Gilbert Sebenste (My opinions only!) ** *** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Hi Miguel, Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately it seems that the 'all or nothing' way of thinking is more common that I expected.Anyone that read my post can see that I did not use 'why is it taking so long?' or similar comments that suggests that I am somewhat angry or anything. I was just asking for feedback since the last message (from 2 days ago) suggested that it would be quicker than expected but I may be naive and the speed of the synchronization is not what I expected or something happened and it will take longer because of that. I really think that the core developers are doing the best they can but I really feel that the communications area may require more time than the available to prevent my original message (and all the flame war) I can help with that if I have access to the current state of things. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho mig...@ic.unicamp.br wrote: mbneto wrote: Hi, The last status (from twitter) is 2 days old with the '5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. Release ~ soon!'. Any ETA? Just relax and wait, this is a _volunteer_ based project. Want a release date? Go pay for RHEL. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
Gilbert Sebenste wrote: This whole thread and these answers are uncalled for. All of them, except for the original above at the top. But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent. Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up excitement. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
Dear All, If someone asks a question such as When is Centos 5.4 coming out bare in mind that it may be because they genuinely want to know when it's coming out, and feel that somehow, they have not been privy to that information. To me, I see CentOS as a polished professional product given what it is, a repackaging of RHEL, and to that end I have the expectation of a fully fledged professional product, which includes static release dates. (I know it's not always possible, so please, no flames) I say this with love, and all the maturity that goes with it, I can't WAIT for CentOS 5.4!!! but at least I have the luxury of understanding the process which prevents 5.4 from coming out on a particular day. The owners of 600 or so servers out there which I look after, like to believe they are techie people, because they can use Google, and they can read a few articles that say Centos 5.4 on the way. I get very regular emails asking why there server is still on centos 5.2, and I have to explain, if it's not broke, I'm not fixing it! On TV, when you watch a commercial that tells you of the latest blockbuster movie - there is a date attached. The next butt kicking FPS for Xbox 360... has a release date. So many products that have a limited life span (iPods, games consoles, mobile phones, books, songs) are planned with a static release date, and if that date is missed, bad press is almost a guarantee! The point I'm making, is that people have become used to knowing when things will happen. (I believe this is illustrated in the number of people fascinated with Flash Forward! Google is your friend). So, give them a break - and the idiots that insult other people who obviously do not understand how things work need to instead take the time, and understand that the internet is no longer the domain/hangout of the technically savvy. Even Linux is no longer the realm of only the technical geniuses, (although there are a lot of us!) When someone asked When will *CentOS 5.4 come out??* The answer is, When it is good and ready, and when they ask Why/What does that mean?, ask them to Google open source distribution release cycle. That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get some work done J --- Kind Regards, Mr Gabriel ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent. Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up excitement. Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched. If there were not false steps along any path, one would not mind being watched -- but point release stabilization and testing is an iterative process, finding undocoed dependencies,unexpected failure mode in corner cases, and such. It is really not something that the 'doers' particularly want to expose to criticism by the 'talkers'. The distraction might be entertaining to the watchers, and provide more opportunities to criticise and comment, but that is about it. I hereby publicly invite anyone who thinks they want to air all their missteps along the build process forever, for a potential future employer to find via google and so to raise questions about their then abilities [and thus silently be eliminated from consideration from a position], to join the centos-devel mailing list, and run a wholly open parallel build Or, of course, one could could speak by releasing running code that just works, as CentOS (and SL) does -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote: When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is, “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”. That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get some work done J I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
R P Herrold wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent. Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up excitement. Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched. It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things. If there were not false steps along any path, one would not mind being watched -- but point release stabilization and testing is an iterative process, finding undocoed dependencies,unexpected failure mode in corner cases, and such. It would be great if others were allowed to learn from any such mistakes. Otherwise they are doomed to repeat them. I hereby publicly invite anyone who thinks they want to air all their missteps along the build process forever, for a potential future employer to find via google and so to raise questions about their then abilities [and thus silently be eliminated from consideration from a position], to join the centos-devel mailing list, and run a wholly open parallel build Is that a big problem for the people who write the code and have every revision preserved for posterity (and for others to learn from) in a public revision control system? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Gabriel - IP Guys wrote: When someone asked “When will **CentOS 5.4 come out??** The answer is, “When it is good and ready”, and when they ask “Why/What does that mean?”, ask them to Google “*open source distribution release cycle*”. That should keep them busy for long enough for me/you to actually get some work done J I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. Except this is not what the developers of CentOS are saying. They are saying 2-4 weeks after the Red Hat point release, and that the four weeks may slip to six weeks. For the sake of argument, just assume eight weeks out (on the outside) and don't worry about it. Nothing like armchair generals trying to tell those in the trenches how they *should* do their job. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things. Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go. I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised when the release is out sooner than that. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things. Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go. I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised when the release is out sooner than that. Agreed with Ron. I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos 5,3. I would almost encourage that Centos waits for RHEL patch release to the kernel before they release it or bugs just get duplicated. Or does Centos do that already? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone? - debate
Les Mikesell wrote: I think for a lot of us, the 'we'll release when it's ready' mentality is the main reason we aren't using debian. I don't think CentOS should repeat their mistakes. So what do you suggest? Release the OS with known problems, just to satisfy a date and the hysteria caused by Twitter updates? Or release something that truly works and it is _very_ reliable? I stay with the 'we'll release when it's ready'. You are not using Debian nor Ubuntu because you can rely on CentOS for having all the RHEL goodies for free and thank god CentOS' developers do think the 'we'll release when it's ready' philosophy. What RPM/Red Hat-like Linux distribution provides at least ~30 months of security updates and is free of charge (like Debian)? Lets see: Fedora: extremely cutting edge, constant updates during life cycle, 12-13 months support. OpenSUSE: I don't know how cutting edge it is, was 24 months of support, new releases will be ~18 months now. Mandriva: I don't know how cutting edge it is, 18 months. Too me all of this distributions are completely out of question to use on a server. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things. Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go. I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised when the release is out sooner than that. Agreed with Ron. I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos 5,3. Be specific, what stuff broke? I would almost encourage that Centos waits for RHEL patch release to the kernel before they release it or bugs just get duplicated. Actually... duplicated bugs is intended. Or does Centos do that already? No, CentOS does not apply any patches that upstream doesn't apply. Glenn ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4? anyone?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: It's not fun on the other side of this fence either. Being kept in the dark makes you imagine all sorts of scary things. Oh give me a break. The CentOS developers have consistently released a solid distribution. If I have to choose between an arbitrary release date and a rock solid distribution, guess which way I'm going to go. I really think the best way to approach this -- since it appears to be an issue every time there is a point release -- is to figure eight weeks after the Red Hat release. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised when the release is out sooner than that. Agreed with Ron. I used RHEL5.4, broke a bunch of stuff so I switched back to Centos 5,3. Be specific, what stuff broke? I'm not going to talk about my RHEL 5.4 bugs on a Centos mailing list when Centos 5.4 isn't even out. But in general; LSI/ Sun raid card admin software don't work so well in 5.4 on my Sun boxes. Bonding and when used with Xen 3.4.1 no work so well. These were show stoppers for me. No, CentOS does not apply any patches that upstream doesn't apply. Say RHEL releases a bug fix just before you release, are you able to incorporate the bug fix immediately or do you wait the 6-8 weeks? Assuming 8 week cycle; For example, RHEL releases 2.6.18-164, then you get started on it. On week 6, RHEL then releases 2.6.18-164.7. At this time, you are about to release 2.6.18-164 in another 2 weeks; 1 - Are you able to incorporate the fixes in 2 weeks? or 2 - Are you able to push out your rel date until incorporating to avoid here we go again? or 3 - Have you ever done this? This is not meant to be a flame, I enjoy and am very grateful for Centos however was always curious about this. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
