Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Fri, 2015-04-10 at 09:07 -0400, James B. Byrne wrote: On Thu, April 9, 2015 13:12, zep wrote: frankly, this blows my mind. not long ago there was a huge kerfuffle over the change to only allow (as someone defined it 'secure') certain passwords, requiring numbers, special characters, some minimum length and that -had to be done- because people didn't use proper passwords and couldn't be trusted to just use what was appropriate/correct for their environment. now a completely reverse the position, plain text showing user names to the world (which has always been considered to be poor security at best) is just 'yeah, whatever you feel like doing. go ahead.' User interface decisions are never driven by security. If security is mentioned then it is used as a fig-leaf to shut down dissent. Security when applied to these sorts of decisions is the patriotism of the FOSS world. The last refuge of scoundrels who have no desire to admit error and wish no discomfort from making any. The actual reasons for change usually come down to the aesthetic values of a small group of developers, or often a single individual, with the power to impose their vision on the rest of humanity. And the desire to do so. I cannot imagine why. . . Seems RH, intoxicated by Fedora's wildest screwballs, has started to loose its purpose and its sense of direction. The constant problems with C7 updates is a nightmare for some dedicated Centos fans. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Always Learning cen...@u64.u22.net wrote: Seems RH, intoxicated by Fedora's wildest screwballs, has started to loose its purpose and its sense of direction. This is just absurd. Fedora and Red Hat are just using Gnome’s default settings for the user list. Red Hat even documents how to change it. I’d hardly call this some sort of ‘loss of direction’. A distro makes choices and if you disagree with them, that doesn’t always mean that they’re screwballs. The constant problems with C7 updates is a nightmare for some dedicated Centos fans. Constant problem? You mean the first point release? I agree that there have been problems, but I’m not seeing a nightmare for most people. A lot of bugs are being shaken out from the initial release, so I’m not terribly surprised to see significant changes introduced in 7.1503. -- Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. Workarounds: 1. Log in non-graphically using Ctrl-Alt-F2, then run the command startx. 2. Trim down /etc/passwd to 1 (or a few) relevant users. -- Ole Holm Nielsen Department of Physics, Technical University of Denmark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Can you use the page-down and arrow keys to navigate the list? Which Display Manager ( [kxg]dm ) are you using? Try a different one if the keyboard navigation does not work. No, page up/down and arrows don't work either. Display Manager: Whatever comes with CentOS 7.1 (cannot be changed at the login screen). Johnny Hughes informed us that an upstream bug has been reported: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184802 /Ole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On 04/09/2015 11:09 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 04/09/2015 09:51 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: Isn't there a way to open a box for other user? Good point. I never liked the user list anyway. Wonder why the RHEL 7 designers chose to add it? Likely because it is in Fedora and they did not take it out, and it is likely the default from the GNOME project as well. To each, their own preference. frankly, this blows my mind. not long ago there was a huge kerfuffle over the change to only allow (as someone defined it 'secure') certain passwords, requiring numbers, special characters, some minimum length and that -had to be done- because people didn't use proper passwords and couldn't be trusted to just use what was appropriate/correct for their environment. now a completely reverse the position, plain text showing user names to the world (which has always been considered to be poor security at best) is just 'yeah, whatever you feel like doing. go ahead.' -- public gpg key id: AE60F64C ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 08:32:01AM -0700, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:23:19AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: 3. Disable the user list: Pretty sure that Alan filed a bug against RH with this, but, as RH seems to do these days when sysadmins complain about Fedora-isms, it was probably ignored. Merrily trolling, If trolling, you should have quoted my blog: http://blog.toracat.org/2011/01/gnome-login-shows-all-valid-user-accounts-disable-it/ (shameless advertisement) I was showing my post to people at work, so I'll make sure they see it. :) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Isn't there a way to open a box for other user? 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html This, in fact, *is* the correct answer. That it's enabled is bad. 1. Security. Having the username, which someone being nasty wants to break into, but doesn't know it, this is just that much easier. 2. You have over 100 users. That's annoying to scroll through. Certainly, each user *ought* to know their own username, and it's faster to type it in, than scroll down 5 or so names at a time through 100+. 3. See 1. Good point. I never liked the user list anyway. Wonder why the RHEL 7 designers chose to add it? /Ole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On 2015-04-09, Ole Holm Nielsen ole.h.niel...@fysik.dtu.dk wrote: After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. Workarounds: 1. Log in non-graphically using Ctrl-Alt-F2, then run the command startx. 2. Trim down /etc/passwd to 1 (or a few) relevant users. 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html -- Liam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: On 04/09/2015 09:51 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: Good point. I never liked the user list anyway. Wonder why the RHEL 7 designers chose to add it? Likely because it is in Fedora and they did not take it out, and it is likely the default from the GNOME project as well. A request to disable the user list filed against RHEL-6 was 'denied': https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=666220 So, it's not going to change... Kind of crazy that the reason fixing it was denied was that they wouldn't change behavior mid-revision in 6.x. And now it is still not fixed in 7.x, and a mid-rev change actually breaks things even more. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:23:19AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: 3. Disable the user list: Pretty sure that Alan filed a bug against RH with this, but, as RH seems to do these days when sysadmins complain about Fedora-isms, it was probably ignored. Merrily trolling, If trolling, you should have quoted my blog: http://blog.toracat.org/2011/01/gnome-login-shows-all-valid-user-accounts-disable-it/ (shameless advertisement) Akemi ;-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html I mentioned two other workarounds myself. I prefer to wait for the upstream bug to be solved: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184802 /Ole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
This is an upstream bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184802 Great, thanks for the info! Now we just need a bug fix :-) /Ole ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2015-04-09, Ole Holm Nielsen ole.h.niel...@fysik.dtu.dk wrote: After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. snip Isn't there a way to open a box for other user? 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html This, in fact, *is* the correct answer. That it's enabled is bad. 1. Security. Having the username, which someone being nasty wants to break into, but doesn't know it, this is just that much easier. 2. You have over 100 users. That's annoying to scroll through. Certainly, each user *ought* to know their own username, and it's faster to type it in, than scroll down 5 or so names at a time through 100+. 3. See 1. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Akemi Yagi wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:23:19AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: 3. Disable the user list: Pretty sure that Alan filed a bug against RH with this, but, as RH seems to do these days when sysadmins complain about Fedora-isms, it was probably ignored. Merrily trolling, If trolling, you should have quoted my blog: http://blog.toracat.org/2011/01/gnome-login-shows-all-valid-user-accounts-disable-it/ (shameless advertisement) And you mentioned that it had been filed as a bug, and denied... and it strikes me that's the real issue, here: fedora devel *is* primarily oriented, IMO, towards individual users' systems, while I would have thought that when upstream brings it into a upstream release, they *should* be making changes so that it's appropriate for an enterprise mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:23:19AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html This, in fact, *is* the correct answer. That it's enabled is bad. 1. Security. Having the username, which someone being nasty wants to break into, but doesn't know it, this is just that much easier. 2. You have over 100 users. That's annoying to scroll through. Certainly, each user *ought* to know their own username, and it's faster to type it in, than scroll down 5 or so names at a time through 100+. 3. See 1. Pretty sure that Alan filed a bug against RH with this, but, as RH seems to do these days when sysadmins complain about Fedora-isms, it was probably ignored. Merrily trolling, -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: On 04/09/2015 09:51 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: Good point. I never liked the user list anyway. Wonder why the RHEL 7 designers chose to add it? Likely because it is in Fedora and they did not take it out, and it is likely the default from the GNOME project as well. A request to disable the user list filed against RHEL-6 was 'denied': https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=666220 So, it's not going to change... Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Aside from the annoyance of having all local users listed on the login screen we have noticed with CentOS7 using NIS and NFS home directories that once a user authenticates their home directory is automatically mounted on boot, even after rebooting and disabling the list using echo [org/gnome/login-screen] disable-user-list=true /etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/01-local-settings dconf update is this a separate issue with our NFS server or is this related to the userlist? thanks Michael On 09/04/15 15:23, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2015-04-09, Ole Holm Nielsen ole.h.niel...@fysik.dtu.dk wrote: After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. snip Isn't there a way to open a box for other user? 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html This, in fact, *is* the correct answer. That it's enabled is bad. 1. Security. Having the username, which someone being nasty wants to break into, but doesn't know it, this is just that much easier. 2. You have over 100 users. That's annoying to scroll through. Certainly, each user *ought* to know their own username, and it's faster to type it in, than scroll down 5 or so names at a time through 100+. 3. See 1. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On 04/09/2015 09:51 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: Isn't there a way to open a box for other user? 3. Disable the user list: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Desktop_Migration_and_Administration_Guide/customizing-login-screen.html This, in fact, *is* the correct answer. That it's enabled is bad. 1. Security. Having the username, which someone being nasty wants to break into, but doesn't know it, this is just that much easier. 2. You have over 100 users. That's annoying to scroll through. Certainly, each user *ought* to know their own username, and it's faster to type it in, than scroll down 5 or so names at a time through 100+. 3. See 1. Good point. I never liked the user list anyway. Wonder why the RHEL 7 designers chose to add it? Likely because it is in Fedora and they did not take it out, and it is likely the default from the GNOME project as well. To each, their own preference. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
Can you use the page-down and arrow keys to navigate the list? Which Display Manager ( [kxg]dm ) are you using? Try a different one if the keyboard navigation does not work. On 04/09/2015 09:17 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. Workarounds: 1. Log in non-graphically using Ctrl-Alt-F2, then run the command startx. 2. Trim down /etc/passwd to 1 (or a few) relevant users. -- * David P. Both, RHCE Millennium Technology Consulting LLC Raleigh, NC, USA 919-389-8678 db...@millennium-technology.com www.millennium-technology.com www.databook.bz - Home of the DataBook for Linux DataBook is a Registered Trademark of David Both * This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7.1 user login screen can't scroll up/down
On 04/09/2015 08:17 AM, Ole Holm Nielsen wrote: After we upgraded our CentOS 7.0 desktops to CentOS 7.1, a critical error in the graphical login screen has appeared on all 7.1 machines: We have 100+ users defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of names is presented on the initial login screen. However, it's impossible to scroll up or down in this user list to select the desired user. The middle mouse button seems to be disabled, so scrolling has become impossible! One can use the left and right mouse buttons to select one of the users in view, but no one else. This seems definitely to be a critical bug in CentOS 7.1. Workarounds: 1. Log in non-graphically using Ctrl-Alt-F2, then run the command startx. 2. Trim down /etc/passwd to 1 (or a few) relevant users. This is an upstream bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184802 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
