Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[m . roth]

Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 07:50:32PM +0200, Andrew Holway wrote:
>>> No, certainly not instead of. A mailing list is essential. I'm part of
>>> a few slack communities and it seems an excellent platform for realtime
>>> discourse and noob baiting. Very sadly the #centos and #rhel freenode
>>> irc channels seem to be rather quiet these days and the irc protocol
>>> generally seems to be on the way out. IRC is a bit of a poor show when
compared
>>> to modern platforms like Slack and Mattermost.
>>
>> Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1782/
>>
>   I raise your XKCD with another: https://xkcd.com/1810/
>
>> I idle in #centos and #rhel and it doesn't seem particularly quiet.
>> Maybe it's the hours -- that wouldn't change with Slack or any
>> alternatives.
>>
I never got into IRC. However, I'll hit y'all back: usenet.

 mark "the good old days, before there were so many idiots online"

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 07:50:32PM +0200, Andrew Holway wrote:
>> No, certainly not instead of. A mailing list is essential. I'm part of a
>> few slack communities and it seems an excellent platform for realtime
>> discourse and noob baiting. Very sadly the #centos and #rhel freenode irc
>> channels seem to be rather quiet these days and the irc protocol generally
>> seems to be on the way out. IRC is a bit of a poor show when compared to
>> modern platforms like Slack and Mattermost.
>
>
> Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1782/
>
  I raise your XKCD with another: https://xkcd.com/1810/

> I idle in #centos and #rhel and it doesn't seem particularly quiet.
> Maybe it's the hours -- that wouldn't change with Slack or any
> alternatives.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Jonathan Billings]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 07:50:32PM +0200, Andrew Holway wrote:
> No, certainly not instead of. A mailing list is essential. I'm part of a
> few slack communities and it seems an excellent platform for realtime
> discourse and noob baiting. Very sadly the #centos and #rhel freenode irc
> channels seem to be rather quiet these days and the irc protocol generally
> seems to be on the way out. IRC is a bit of a poor show when compared to
> modern platforms like Slack and Mattermost.


Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1782/

I idle in #centos and #rhel and it doesn't seem particularly quiet.
Maybe it's the hours -- that wouldn't change with Slack or any
alternatives. 

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Holway  wrote:
>>
>> Not enthused with slack. And here's a real question: were you talking
>> about *instead* of this mailing list?
>
>
> No, certainly not instead of. A mailing list is essential. I'm part of a
> few slack communities and it seems an excellent platform for realtime
> discourse and noob baiting. Very sadly the #centos and #rhel freenode irc
> channels seem to be rather quiet these days and the irc protocol generally
> seems to be on the way out. IRC is a bit of a poor show when compared to
> modern platforms like Slack and Mattermost.

  I do know groups who have a mailing list and slack/fb and claim
the more "progressive users" prefer the more "progressive social media
channels" (facebook/slack). For those concerned that people can find
what you did on irc, do you really think what is posted on slack is
private? It is as private as any social media thingie out there.

FYI, in a previous job we ran our own internal irc, which was great
when we had to do support (level 1 on the phone could be feeding us
all with the info and question and one of us could be providing
answer. Caller would be none of the wiser).

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Phelps, Matthew
<mphe...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>
>> To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with
>> anything.
>> So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.
>>
>>
> IRC is a problem for those of us behind government/corporate firewalls. IRC
> is perceived as a hacker haven and is usually blocked.
>
  I have my irc client running on a home vm which I check
regularly doing workday. I know people who run irc clients on their
phone.

>
> If we go Mattermost, can we have a searchable public archive of the chats?
>> Something search engines can index and we can point people to?
>>
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>> www.nux.ro
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Karanbir Singh" <mail-li...@karan.org>
>> > To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 April, 2017 13:56:53
>> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack
>>
>> > On 12/04/17 13:23, Andrew Holway wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts? Experiances?
>> >>
>> >
>> > been talking with the mattermost people to get an instance up in
>> > centos.org space - more open source, more privacy and better terms of
>> > service.
>> >
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>> > +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Karanbir Singh]

On 12/04/17 17:26, Nux! wrote:
> To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with anything.

Dont need to replace it, MatterMost will bridge channels from one
interface to another, with a mostly usable interface.

> So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.
> 
> If we go Mattermost, can we have a searchable public archive of the chats? 
> Something search engines can index and we can point people to?

yeah, that can be factored in as well. There were concerns in the past
from people not wanting their chat's logged and published, since in many
cases as is with CentOS, people are talking about problems and potential
solutions to internet facing infra / production services etc

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Andrew Holway]

>
> Not enthused with slack. And here's a real question: were you talking
> about *instead* of this mailing list?


No, certainly not instead of. A mailing list is essential. I'm part of a
few slack communities and it seems an excellent platform for realtime
discourse and noob baiting. Very sadly the #centos and #rhel freenode irc
channels seem to be rather quiet these days and the irc protocol generally
seems to be on the way out. IRC is a bit of a poor show when compared to
modern platforms like Slack and Mattermost.
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[m . roth]

Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Alice Wonder 
> wrote:
>> On 04/12/2017 09:36 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nux!  wrote:
>>>
>>> To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with
 anything.So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.

 IRC is a problem for those of us behind government/corporate
 firewalls. IRC is perceived as a hacker haven and is usually blocked.
>>>
>> I seem to recall some web-based IRC clients existing.
>>
> True. It isn't a problem that can't be solved :)
>
> Just inconvenient; plus the powers that be  don't take kindly to
> circumventing restrictions they put in place, even if it is for real work.
>
Heh. That, and that to paraphrase Todd's disclaimers, I do not speak for
the US federal gov't, or for my company... and that's why I use my own
"professional" email account, rather than my federal work one, on this
list.

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[m . roth]

Andrew Holway wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> Considering the relative decline of IRC (sorry folks) I have set up a
> Slack
> for Enterprise Linux. I've been using "pythondev.slack.com" and honestly,
> its a fantastic tool for community support with really nice features for
> computer centric discussion.
>
> https://enterpriselinux.slack.com/shared_invite/MTY4MTM5NjQ2NTc5LTE0OTE5OTkyNTctMjkyNGU1NWQzOA
>
> My hope is that those running Rhel and Centos can have a common place to
> flame war about SystemD, what to do when FreeIPA replication breaks and
> how
> to give your network interfaces sensible names without having to use a
> pastebin.
>
> Thoughts? Experiances?
>
Not enthused with slack. And here's a real question: were you talking
about *instead* of this mailing list? I would very much not be happy with
that, for the same reason I'm significantly less than enthused by "social
media": I prefer actual written-out thoughts, and threads, and being able
to intercollate comments. Social media, IMO, leans towards one sentence
comments.

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Phelps, Matthew]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Alice Wonder  wrote:

> On 04/12/2017 09:36 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nux!  wrote:
>>
>> To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with
>>> anything.
>>> So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.
>>>
>>>
>>> IRC is a problem for those of us behind government/corporate firewalls.
>> IRC
>> is perceived as a hacker haven and is usually blocked.
>>
>>
>>
> I seem to recall some web-based IRC clients existing.
>
>
>
True. It isn't a problem that can't be solved :)

Just inconvenient; plus the powers that be  don't take kindly to
circumventing restrictions they put in place, even if it is for real work.

My point is, I welcome the initiative this thread is bringing.


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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Alice Wonder]

On 04/12/2017 09:36 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nux!  wrote:


To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with
anything.
So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.



IRC is a problem for those of us behind government/corporate firewalls. IRC
is perceived as a hacker haven and is usually blocked.




I seem to recall some web-based IRC clients existing.

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

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On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:

> To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with
> anything.
> So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.
>
>
IRC is a problem for those of us behind government/corporate firewalls. IRC
is perceived as a hacker haven and is usually blocked.


If we go Mattermost, can we have a searchable public archive of the chats?
> Something search engines can index and we can point people to?
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Karanbir Singh" <mail-li...@karan.org>
> > To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 April, 2017 13:56:53
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack
>
> > On 12/04/17 13:23, Andrew Holway wrote:
> >>
> >> Thoughts? Experiances?
> >>
> >
> > been talking with the mattermost people to get an instance up in
> > centos.org space - more open source, more privacy and better terms of
> > service.
> >
> > --
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Nux!]

To be honest Freenode is nice and I'd be sad to see it replaced with anything.
So cool to be a "/join #project" away from getting help.

If we go Mattermost, can we have a searchable public archive of the chats? 
Something search engines can index and we can point people to?

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Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Karanbir Singh" <mail-li...@karan.org>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 April, 2017 13:56:53
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

> On 12/04/17 13:23, Andrew Holway wrote:
>> 
>> Thoughts? Experiances?
>> 
> 
> been talking with the mattermost people to get an instance up in
> centos.org space - more open source, more privacy and better terms of
> service.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Karanbir Singh]

On 12/04/17 13:23, Andrew Holway wrote:
> 
> Thoughts? Experiances?
> 

been talking with the mattermost people to get an instance up in
centos.org space - more open source, more privacy and better terms of
service.

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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Andrew Holway]

Don't think so. I'm getting slack mail from

Received: from mail-71-234.slack.com (mail-71-234.slack.com.
[166.78.71.234])

On 12 April 2017 at 14:35, Alice Wonder  wrote:

> On 04/12/2017 05:28 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
>
>> On 04/12/2017 05:23 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo,
>>>
>>> Considering the relative decline of IRC (sorry folks) I have set up a
>>> Slack
>>> for Enterprise Linux. I've been using "pythondev.slack.com" and
>>> honestly,
>>> its a fantastic tool for community support with really nice features for
>>> computer centric discussion.
>>>
>>> https://enterpriselinux.slack.com/shared_invite/MTY4MTM5NjQ2
>>> NTc5LTE0OTE5OTkyNTctMjkyNGU1NWQzOA
>>>
>>>
>>> My hope is that those running Rhel and Centos can have a common place to
>>> flame war about SystemD, what to do when FreeIPA replication breaks
>>> and how
>>> to give your network interfaces sensible names without having to use a
>>> pastebin.
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Experiances?
>>>
>>>
>> Well it claims to have sent me an e-mail but so far it hasn't.
>>
>>
> Might be:
>
> Apr 12 12:29:23 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: warning: hostname ddit888.net
> does not resolve to address 211.72.214.34: Name or service not known
> Apr 12 12:29:23 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: connect from
> unknown[211.72.214.34]
> Apr 12 12:29:25 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: disconnect from
> unknown[211.72.214.34]
>
> Not sure, it connected and then disconnected at the right time but no
> message. All other maillog entries at the right time are accounted for.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Alice Wonder]

On 04/12/2017 05:28 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:

On 04/12/2017 05:23 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:

Hallo,

Considering the relative decline of IRC (sorry folks) I have set up a
Slack
for Enterprise Linux. I've been using "pythondev.slack.com" and honestly,
its a fantastic tool for community support with really nice features for
computer centric discussion.

https://enterpriselinux.slack.com/shared_invite/MTY4MTM5NjQ2NTc5LTE0OTE5OTkyNTctMjkyNGU1NWQzOA


My hope is that those running Rhel and Centos can have a common place to
flame war about SystemD, what to do when FreeIPA replication breaks
and how
to give your network interfaces sensible names without having to use a
pastebin.

Thoughts? Experiances?



Well it claims to have sent me an e-mail but so far it hasn't.



Might be:

Apr 12 12:29:23 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: warning: hostname 
ddit888.net does not resolve to address 211.72.214.34: Name or service 
not known
Apr 12 12:29:23 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: connect from 
unknown[211.72.214.34]
Apr 12 12:29:25 li796-67 postfix/smtpd[942]: disconnect from 
unknown[211.72.214.34]


Not sure, it connected and then disconnected at the right time but no 
message. All other maillog entries at the right time are accounted for.


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Re: [CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Alice Wonder]

On 04/12/2017 05:23 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:

Hallo,

Considering the relative decline of IRC (sorry folks) I have set up a Slack
for Enterprise Linux. I've been using "pythondev.slack.com" and honestly,
its a fantastic tool for community support with really nice features for
computer centric discussion.

https://enterpriselinux.slack.com/shared_invite/MTY4MTM5NjQ2NTc5LTE0OTE5OTkyNTctMjkyNGU1NWQzOA

My hope is that those running Rhel and Centos can have a common place to
flame war about SystemD, what to do when FreeIPA replication breaks and how
to give your network interfaces sensible names without having to use a
pastebin.

Thoughts? Experiances?



Well it claims to have sent me an e-mail but so far it hasn't.

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[CentOS] Enterprise Linux Slack

[Andrew Holway]

Hallo,

Considering the relative decline of IRC (sorry folks) I have set up a Slack
for Enterprise Linux. I've been using "pythondev.slack.com" and honestly,
its a fantastic tool for community support with really nice features for
computer centric discussion.

https://enterpriselinux.slack.com/shared_invite/MTY4MTM5NjQ2NTc5LTE0OTE5OTkyNTctMjkyNGU1NWQzOA

My hope is that those running Rhel and Centos can have a common place to
flame war about SystemD, what to do when FreeIPA replication breaks and how
to give your network interfaces sensible names without having to use a
pastebin.

Thoughts? Experiances?

Cheers,

Andrew
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