Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-30 Thread Sorin Srbu
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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

Sorin Srbu wrote:
snip
  Anyway, I get a bad block message when running fsck, and am
not sure
 whether this is a interface problem between the chair and the monitor
or
 something with the tech preview.
snip

Having just live through this issue, I recommend you run
the extended (long) SMART test on all your drives and check
the reports. The relevant package to install is smartmontools.
It's worth investing a little time in setting up the package.
I ended up with this incantation in /etc/smartd.conf :

/dev/hda -T normal -p  -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) -m
root@localhost

To execute the extended tests (doesn't mess with your data):
# smartctl --test=long /dev/hda

To view the test results about 80 minutes later:
# smartctl --log=selftest /dev/hda

and so on.

Good info, thanks!
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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-28 Thread Giuseppe Tanzilli - ServerPlan
Hi,
it works just fine for me, but there is no quota support in the 5.5 ext4
release

Giuseppe

Il 28/01/2011 08:51, Sorin Srbu ha scritto:
 -Original Message-
 From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
 Behalf Of compdoc
 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:09 PM
 To: 'CentOS mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

 For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on
 CentOS 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you
 feel the
 stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
 comments welcome.


 I've recently been using ext4 because I have servers with large(ish)
 storage
 volumes, and because I know that the next version of centos will support it
 better than 5.5.

 I only use it for storage, where I use rsync to copy terabytes of data to
 and from the servers.

 It works fine - it's been set and forget so far. Very fast read/write
 speeds.
 Same story here. I'm building a new backup server from scratch (with no old
 data on it), and while ext3 is nice and stable it's also pretty slow when we
 start talking sevenish terabytes.

 My main concern is all the writing on the interweb regarding running an fsck
 and a tune2fs after having formatted the filesystem to ext4; some say you
 should while some say it isn't necessary. 
   Anyway, I get a bad block message when running fsck, and am not sure
 whether this is a interface problem between the chair and the monitor or
 something with the tech preview.



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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-28 Thread cpolish
Sorin Srbu wrote:
snip
   Anyway, I get a bad block message when running fsck, and am not sure
 whether this is a interface problem between the chair and the monitor or
 something with the tech preview.
snip

Having just live through this issue, I recommend you run
the extended (long) SMART test on all your drives and check
the reports. The relevant package to install is smartmontools. 
It's worth investing a little time in setting up the package.
I ended up with this incantation in /etc/smartd.conf :

/dev/hda -T normal -p  -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) -m 
root@localhost

To execute the extended tests (doesn't mess with your data):
# smartctl --test=long /dev/hda

To view the test results about 80 minutes later:
# smartctl --log=selftest /dev/hda

and so on.
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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-28 Thread Les Mikesell
On 1/28/2011 10:02 AM, cpol...@surewest.net wrote:
 Sorin Srbu wrote:
 snip
  Anyway, I get a bad block message when running fsck, and am not sure
 whether this is a interface problem between the chair and the monitor or
 something with the tech preview.
 snip

 Having just live through this issue, I recommend you run
 the extended (long) SMART test on all your drives and check
 the reports. The relevant package to install is smartmontools.
 It's worth investing a little time in setting up the package.
 I ended up with this incantation in /etc/smartd.conf :

 /dev/hda -T normal -p  -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) -m 
 root@localhost

 To execute the extended tests (doesn't mess with your data):
 # smartctl --test=long /dev/hda

 To view the test results about 80 minutes later:
 # smartctl --log=selftest /dev/hda

 and so on.

Are there guidelines about what are reasonable results or will the 
'Smart Health Status' tell you enough after the tests run?

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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-28 Thread cpolish
Les Mikesell wrote:

 Are there guidelines about what are reasonable results or will the 
 'Smart Health Status' tell you enough after the tests run?

In a recent study[1] of a large population of hard drives 
these assertions stood out:

  [A]fter their first scan error, drives are 39 times more 
  likely to fail within 60 days than drives with no such errors. 

  Drives with one or more reallocations do fail more of-
  ten than those with none. The average impact on AFR
  appears to be between a factor of 3-6x.

  After their first reallocation, drives are over 14 times
  more likely to fail within 60 days than drives without
  reallocation counts, making the critical threshold for this
  parameter also one.

  After the first offine reallocation, drives have over
  21 times higher chances of failure within 60 days than
  drives without offine reallocations...

  The critical threshold for probational counts is also one: 
  after the first event, drives are 16 times more likely to 
  fail within 60 days than drives with zero probational counts.

[1] Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population
Eduardo Pinheiro, Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz A. Barroso
Google Inc.
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[CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread Sorin Srbu
Hi all,

For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
comments welcome.

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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread James Hogarth
On 27 January 2011 15:06, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
 Hi all,

 For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
 stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
 comments welcome.



Well for what it's worth it worked out well enough for Redhat that it
is a fully supported filesystem in 5.6 and the default in 6.0... same
admin tools as ext3 so not much to learn as it were...
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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27 January 2011 15:06, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
 Hi all,

 For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
 stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
 comments welcome.



 Well for what it's worth it worked out well enough for Redhat that it
 is a fully supported filesystem in 5.6 and the default in 6.0... same
 admin tools as ext3 so not much to learn as it were...
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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread compdoc
For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
comments welcome.


I've recently been using ext4 because I have servers with large(ish) storage
volumes, and because I know that the next version of centos will support it
better than 5.5.

I only use it for storage, where I use rsync to copy terabytes of data to
and from the servers.

It works fine - it's been set and forget so far. Very fast read/write
speeds.




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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread Blake Hudson

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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64
From: compdoc comp...@hotrodpc.com
To: 'CentOS mailing list' centos@centos.org
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:08:46 AM
 For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
 stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
 comments welcome.


 I've recently been using ext4 because I have servers with large(ish) storage
 volumes, and because I know that the next version of centos will support it
 better than 5.5.

 I only use it for storage, where I use rsync to copy terabytes of data to
 and from the servers.

 It works fine - it's been set and forget so far. Very fast read/write
 speeds.

I've been using it for the same purpose on a volume that is ~2.4TB,
rsyncing a few 100's of GB/day. Works better than tape. No issues so far
(maybe 6 months or so).
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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread Jerry Franz
On 01/27/2011 07:37 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
 On 27 January 2011 15:06, Sorin Srbusorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se  wrote:
 Hi all,

 For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on CentOS
 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you feel the
 stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
 comments welcome.


 Well for what it's worth it worked out well enough for Redhat that it
 is a fully supported filesystem in 5.6 and the default in 6.0... same
 admin tools as ext3 so not much to learn as it were...


However, be very, ah, *cautious* about trying any ext4 options beyond 
the RH defaults. I tried creating some with extents and other 
non-default options yesterday and it immediately triggered kernel panics 
when I tried to mount the resulting file systems. On the other side, 
I've been running default ext4 options on CentOS5 on some machines for 
years now with no hiccups at all.

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Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

2011-01-27 Thread Sorin Srbu
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf Of compdoc
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:09 PM
To: 'CentOS mailing list'
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ext4 on CentOS 5.5 x64

For those of you that have been using the ext4 technology preview on
CentOS 5.5, how has it panned out? Does it perform as expected? How do you
feel the
stability, creation of the FS and the administration of it is? Ideas and
comments welcome.


I've recently been using ext4 because I have servers with large(ish)
storage
volumes, and because I know that the next version of centos will support it
better than 5.5.

I only use it for storage, where I use rsync to copy terabytes of data to
and from the servers.

It works fine - it's been set and forget so far. Very fast read/write
speeds.

Same story here. I'm building a new backup server from scratch (with no old
data on it), and while ext3 is nice and stable it's also pretty slow when we
start talking sevenish terabytes.

My main concern is all the writing on the interweb regarding running an fsck
and a tune2fs after having formatted the filesystem to ext4; some say you
should while some say it isn't necessary. 
Anyway, I get a bad block message when running fsck, and am not sure
whether this is a interface problem between the chair and the monitor or
something with the tech preview.

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