Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter
on 4/5/2011 11:46 PM John R Pierce spake the following: On 04/05/11 11:32 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: A lot of the anxiety seems to be about the silence about any kind of progress. there's a fair amount of traffic on centos-devel archives here, http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-April/thread.html Most of the traffic lately is the same is it done yet stuff on here. The rest is developer and distro bashing/defending. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter (was: Centos 6 Update?)
This was done on a trailling basis for a couple side arch's builders by me and another. It turns out to be a lot of chatter and 'noise', and not much 'signal' Although it might not be of any real use in indicating when a version would be ready, I think it helps a lot psychologically when people can see that something is being done, even if it's discovering bugs that will push back the release. A lot of the anxiety seems to be about the silence about any kind of progress. A tweet or post of that nature once a week takes maybe all of 1 minute to send but would reduce a lot of the unpleasant noise I see being tossed up on the forum and lists. I suspect it would be less frustrating for the devs as well by reducing the amount of bitching and offers of help they don't want at this point. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter
On 04/05/11 11:32 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: A lot of the anxiety seems to be about the silence about any kind of progress. there's a fair amount of traffic on centos-devel archives here, http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-April/thread.html ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter
On 4/6/11, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 04/05/11 11:32 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: A lot of the anxiety seems to be about the silence about any kind of progress. there's a fair amount of traffic on centos-devel archives here, http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2011-April/thread.html Apologies, I wasn't subscribed to the dev list since I didn't think I would had been able to contribute anything. Fortunately, I'm also not fixated about when exactly is Centos 6 coming out. Maybe the standard reply to those chasing for status on Centos 6 should be Please subscribe to devel list to follow updates since chances are the majority of them are only checking the site or the user list. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter
Le 06/04/2011 09:08, Emmanuel Noobadmin a écrit : Apologies, I wasn't subscribed to the dev list since I didn't think I would had been able to contribute anything. Fortunately, I'm also not fixated about when exactly is Centos 6 coming out. Maybe the standard reply to those chasing for status on Centos 6 should be Please subscribe to devel list to follow updates since chances are the majority of them are only checking the site or the user list. Hi Emmanuel, You don't have to subscribe to dev's mailing list, only consult the archives : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/ Alain -- == Alain Péan - LPP/CNRS Administrateur Système/Réseau Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas - UMR 7648 Observatoire de Saint-Maur 4, av de Neptune, Bat. A 94100 Saint-Maur des Fossés Tel : 01-45-11-42-39 - Fax : 01-48-89-44-33 == ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter
On 04/06/2011 07:32 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Although it might not be of any real use in indicating when a version would be ready, I think it helps a lot psychologically when people can see that something is being done, even if it's discovering bugs that will push back the release. As Russ already pointed out, the build status indicator isnt really of much value. However, something that *might* be of some value is if people can actually get a perspective on present state. Thats something I'm working on and hope to have in place once we get 6 out of the door. Part of the reason why people think I'm out of sync in my estimates is down to the fact that package change and implications of those packages include downwards deps as well. So we can be at 95% done, with 1 package change taking us down to 75% and it goes on. I guess people like Dag and Hendrik just done understand these sort of things very well. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter (was: Centos 6Update?)
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Digimer wrote: As an aside, does the CentOS build environment (understanding that it needs to be built, too), able to tweet something like last build; X packages OK, Y packages failed? This was done on a trailling basis for a couple side arch's builders by me and another. It turns out to be a lot of chatter and 'noise', and not much 'signal' I would venture: It would be more polite and civil chatter than what this thread has put into the CentOS mailing list archives. *cringes at the difficulty that strangers face, wading through our slop looking for helpful tidbits of know-how* Thought for posting guidelines for this list: If it's not a request for help with a CentOS component, or an answer thereto, it probably doesn't belong on this list Insert spiffy .sig here: Life is complex: it has both real and imaginary parts. //me *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.Hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter (was: Centos 6 Update?)
On 04/04/2011 06:45 PM, Gilbert Sebenste wrote: Maybe its users need to realize that: 1. This entire thing is run by volunteers 2. This has been a very difficult release because of various apparent RedHat changes 3. Some releases were be faster---or slower--- than others 4. Centos 4.9, 5.6 and 6.0 hit at pretty much the same time 5. A properly configured firewall and the latest 5.5 patches, along with smart web browsing, indicates that there should be few if any security problems with C5.5 as it is now (sure, there are bugs, most of them local or DOS attacks, and I have yet to hear of one yet) 6. When it seems like they are close, another bug or issue(s) is/are found 7. I'm beta testing software done by volunteers and people are complaining about when's the new release, when there are multiple issues evolving/changing externally that hamper our release. So with #7, I personally get why this has been late, as defined by some users. But, as Karanbir and others have stated: there is no timeline, it's when we can get to it. Typically 4-8 weeks, but this one has proven problematic. And again, more fingers in the honeypot can make things worse, especially when a release is trying to get pushed out the door. Now, Karanbir does realize that communication needed to be improved, and when there's new developments, he posts it now on Twitter. But I'd rather him solve the issues, than dealing with the repeated um, hey guys, you're REALLY late now!. I'm sure they wanted it out the door two months ago. During a release is not when a project needs help. It's starting on the next one...thinking CentoS 5.7/6.1. Otherwise, some people really need to sit down and think if CentOS is what is needed, or RHEL. And as RedHat throws more monkey wrenches into their source, which could force anyone making a distro from RHEL harder and harder in the future, are you willing to wait 12-16 weeks for a new release? If not, head to RHEL in your next budget cycle, or something else. But having been there, done that, the only thing I would have done differently with C5.6 is posted a few times still have issues we're working on, no release date in sight yet, or words to that effect, and Karanbir is doing that now. Well, did; he said it should be syncing to the mirrors soon. Yay! Can't wait to upgrade. Thank you. :) As an aside, does the CentOS build environment (understanding that it needs to be built, too), able to tweet something like last build; X packages OK, Y packages failed? The reason I ask is that this would relieve some workload for the devs, and people who need to know the progress could simply follow the tweets. No more requests for when is it ready? No more needing to explain we ran into problems or what not. Heck, someone could even chart the progress by feeding the build stats into a graph. So this way, no one would have to give time lines, make guesses or wonder. It just magically appears and users can interpret it any way they wish. An idea that is freely discarded. :P -- Digimer E-Mail: digi...@alteeve.com AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter (was: Centos 6 Update?)
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Digimer wrote: As an aside, does the CentOS build environment (understanding that it needs to be built, too), able to tweet something like last build; X packages OK, Y packages failed? This was done on a trailling basis for a couple side arch's builders by me and another. It turns out to be a lot of chatter and 'noise', and not much 'signal' -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Feeding CentOS build results to twitter (was: Centos 6 Update?)
On Monday, April 04, 2011 10:43:08 PM R P Herrold wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Digimer wrote: As an aside, does the CentOS build environment (understanding that it needs to be built, too), able to tweet something like last build; X packages OK, Y packages failed? This was done on a trailling basis for a couple side arch's builders by me and another. It turns out to be a lot of chatter and 'noise', and not much 'signal' Very true but, at least in my experience, signal doesn't matter in such a case cause most people that waited and complained anyway don't know what to really look for. They just want a progress meter of some form... A simple countdown of package numbers would probably be sufficient. Peter. -- Censorship: noun, circa 1591. a: Relief of the burden of independent thinking. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos