Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 4/16/2015 2:13 PM, Steve Clark wrote: On 04/15/2015 12:55 PM, Steve Clark wrote: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, Thanks to all that replied, I am leaning towards the Dell M4800 mobile WS, it seems pretty impressive and can be ordered with Either RHEL 6.4 $$$, or Ubuntu LTS (no $$$) so if I get it I will go that route. Only question I still have is whether to go AMD FirePro 5100 (standard) or a Nvidia option. Any thoughts or experiences. Thanks again. I have the Nvidia one on my M6800, and it works without the nvidia proprietary drivers just fine. -chuck -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 4/15/2015 11:55 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, I'm running on a Dell M6800, with the high end graphics option, and everything just works out of the box. I did the install of Scientific Linux myself (based on CentOS 6). No problems. I had CentOS 5 on it first, but that was missing drivers for the wireless and sound (if I remember correctly). -chuck -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop with CentOS only support
ken wrote: Looking for my next linux laptop too, I'm loving this thread. A tangential yet very much related question: In the past when I've purchased a computer and put linux on it, I always had to keep Windows on it (dual-boot) in case there was a probable hardware problem and I had to walk through the tech supporter's manual with her doing Windows things to make the determination. So if I get a laptop from dell and it has linux only installed on it by them, can I still get tech support from dell for their hardware? Has anyone been down this road yet? If you do, as I said, get an business laptop, not the consumer grade. And even then... if you need support, you'll have to get them to route you to enterprise support, since the laptop/desktop support still don't know Linux. On the other hand, if you do talk to them, you could always point out that the OMSA disc boots CentOS mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 04/15/2015 12:55 PM, Steve Clark wrote: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, Thanks to all that replied, I am leaning towards the Dell M4800 mobile WS, it seems pretty impressive and can be ordered with Either RHEL 6.4 $$$, or Ubuntu LTS (no $$$) so if I get it I will go that route. Only question I still have is whether to go AMD FirePro 5100 (standard) or a Nvidia option. Any thoughts or experiences. Thanks again. -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop with CentOS only support
Looking for my next linux laptop too, I'm loving this thread. A tangential yet very much related question: In the past when I've purchased a computer and put linux on it, I always had to keep Windows on it (dual-boot) in case there was a probable hardware problem and I had to walk through the tech supporter's manual with her doing Windows things to make the determination. So if I get a laptop from dell and it has linux only installed on it by them, can I still get tech support from dell for their hardware? Has anyone been down this road yet? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
Hi, Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 04/15/2015 01:01 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Some quick googles only turned up articles about RHEL on Dell Laptops in 2012 - nothing with RHEL seems to be current only with Ubuntu 14.04 . Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
CentOS 6 and 7 both boot up and seem to work just fine on the Dell Latitude E6420, which is a 2-3 year old model frequently available 'refurbished' for quite cheap from lease returns. That specific model is a 14, and has an optional 1600x900 screen (which I advise, the default 1280x600(?) screen is just too low resolution to be useful). 2nd generation Core I5 typically, 8gb ram typically, nice and rugged, albeit a bit heavy when compared with an ultrabook. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
Usually works fine, but try with livecd, if possible in shop? Thinkpads usually work fine with Linux too. -- Eero 2015-04-15 20:35 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: On 04/15/2015 01:01 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Some quick googles only turned up articles about RHEL on Dell Laptops in 2012 - nothing with RHEL seems to be current only with Ubuntu 14.04 . Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On Wed, April 15, 2015 12:38 pm, Eero Volotinen wrote: Usually works fine, but try with livecd, if possible in shop? Thinkpads usually work fine with Linux too. I for one gave up on Lenovo totally after the started doing this (I paste our network security group's message with references they gave, do your own reading and use your own brain). I know this is about what they do in Windows system they ship, and we all are mostly using Linux or BSD, but once they started doing such things in Windows, you can expect them done similar things in BIOS, etc... Just do your own reading and use your own brain ;-) Quote We wanted to pass this along to you in case you hadn't seen it: http://marcrogers.org/2015/02/19/lenovo-installs-adware-on-customer-laptops-and-compromises-all-ssl /Lenovo is installing adware that uses a man-in-the-middle attack to break secure connections on affected laptops in order to access sensitive data and inject advertising. As if that wasnt bad enough they installed a weak certificate into the system in a way that means affected users cannot trust any secure connections they make TO ANY SITE// / The following describes how to remove the superfish adware: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2886278/how-to-remove-the-dangerous-superfish-adware-presintalled-on-lenovo-pcs.html However, note that removing the adware alone isn't enough. One needs to remove the certificate manually. The following MicrosoftKB describes how to remove a trusted root certificate from the Trust Root Store: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293819. /Quote Valeri -- Eero 2015-04-15 20:35 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: On 04/15/2015 01:01 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Some quick googles only turned up articles about RHEL on Dell Laptops in 2012 - nothing with RHEL seems to be current only with Ubuntu 14.04 . Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 15/04/15 17:55, Steve Clark wrote: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, I am running CentOS6 and 7 on a Lenovo X1 Carbon gen2. For suspend to work, you will need a newer kernel ( the xen4centos 3.10 LTS based kernel works fine ). On CentOS-7, with kernel 3.10.0-229 works fine out of the box. I know that CentOS-6 works fine, out of the box, on the precision m4800's if you want to Dell. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
Eero Volotinen wrote: Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Yup. And it'll be slightly cheaper, since you won't be paying for an M$ license Just make sure to spend more, though, and buy a business-class machine, not a consumer grade even Dell's are less good. mark, with his work laptop Latitude from almost 6 years ago Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
I would avoid the Thinkpad X1 Carbon 2nd generation if I was you (I'm writing this on one). The 1st gen is much better (my wife has one) and I hear that the 3rd gen is too, but just stay away from the 2nd gen (so much grief). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
On 04/15/2015 12:38 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Usually works fine, but try with livecd, if possible in shop? Thinkpads usually work fine with Linux too. Thinkpads are also specifically the laptops that Red Hat issues internally for Linux laptops .. so RHEL (and therefore CentOS, since built from RHEL sources) should continue to have support for thinkpads both now and into the future. -- Eero 2015-04-15 20:35 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: On 04/15/2015 01:01 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Dell provides laptops with RHEL ws. Buy one of that kind ? Some quick googles only turned up articles about RHEL on Dell Laptops in 2012 - nothing with RHEL seems to be current only with Ubuntu 14.04 . Eero 2015-04-15 19:55 GMT+03:00 Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com: Hello, Has anyone used the Dell M3800 (ubuntu) laptop to run CentOS 6.x? If so how did it work out? Also does anyone have a fairly new laptop they are running CentOS 6.x on, that they are happy about? I am in the market for a new laptop and it must run CentOS 6.x. Thanks, -- Stephen Clark -- Stephen Clark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS
2015-04-16 0:07 GMT+03:00 Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org: On 04/15/2015 12:38 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Usually works fine, but try with livecd, if possible in shop? Thinkpads usually work fine with Linux too. Thinkpads are also specifically the laptops that Red Hat issues internally for Linux laptops .. so RHEL (and therefore CentOS, since built from RHEL sources) should continue to have support for thinkpads both now and into the future. I currently use thinkpad w530 at work, but with ubuntu. great laptop. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Robert Heller wrote: Just about all of the low-end Dell boxes (laptops or desktops) tend to be low-quality boxes -- you gets what you pay for. Higher end Dells seem to be OK (eg 'Workstations', servers, etc.). In October I found a discard Dell Optiplex GX50 - older low-end dell. Found it in an illegal dump pile in a field. Replaced dead hard drive, re-attached heat sink to CPU (had become detached, probably when dumped - perhaps a blessing, whoever built it had used way too much thermal paste). It's been running CentOS 5.x 24/7 since without a hitch. But for laptops I think you are correct, and my found computer did have a problem (dead drive) when found. -=- Back to laptop question - I have always preferred the Thinkpad T20 series over anything else. I would suggest running Ubuntu on it, I have moved all my desktop stuff to Ubuntu. Most laptop vendors that I have seen that pre-install Ubuntu install the 32-bit version. I use 64-bit and have no regrets, so I would recommend burning the 64-bit iso and installing that. Two notes though with 64bit - 1) Don't use the Ubuntu packaged flash plugin. It is 32-bit and will pull in a bunch of 32-bit plugins. Get the alpha 64-bit plugin for Linux from Adobe. Works very well for me (in Ubuntu and CentOS) - and is more stable than the 32-bit plugin running in a wrapper. 2) I have no clue about installing a native 64-bit Java plugin. I don't have one and don't want one. Maybe icedtea is working for 64-bit better now? I got sick and tired of Java media in web pages being generally crappy and problematic, so I refuse to install a Java plugin anymore, but if you need Java plugin (IE for your work) check to make sure 64-bit browser plugin exists before going 64-bit (though 32-bit may work via wrappers) General Desktop Note - CentOS or Ubuntu or Fedora - 1) Give Google Chrome and Midori a try. I really like both, Chrome is a little more polished but not open source, Midori is open source but has some bugs still with HTML5 multimedia (IE it won't play them if they are not set to autostart, but also won't revert to fallback) 2) If you don't mind using software that isn't FOSS, spend the money on the fluendo codec package - http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/complete-set-of-playback-plugins/ It handles h.264/WMV/DivX/etc. extremely well, just works, and comes packaged in both RPM and .deb (as well as tarball). It does not provide AC3 decoding, that's my only gripe, but it does just about everything else much better in my experience than the free gstreamer plugins. I haven't tried the fluendo DVD player (which does do AC3 decoding) but reviews I've seen on it are not very good, stick with something like VLC or Xine (my choice) for DVD playback seems to be better. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/8/2010 3:06 PM, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 16:35 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: Well, centos is not optimal system for laptop due to old drivers and so on. Personally I prefer ubuntu, fedora or opensuse on laptops.. or OSX. Well that is really what the OP asked for NOT. There have been good answers so far, why do Apple-junkies always tend to advertise apple stuff even to other long time apple users? Assuming you wanted an answer... For one thing the powerbooks got 'close lid, sleep, open lid wake up, grab a fresh network connection and continue' right about a decade ago but they still only have one mouse button, making them a PITA for anything other than OS X. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Michael A. Peters wrote: Back to laptop question - I have always preferred the Thinkpad T20 series should read T Series - T20 is quite deprecated now ;) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
but they still only have one mouse button, making them a PITA for anything other than OS X. On Fedora 12 you have the middle and right button with the trackpad (with resp two and three fingers, along with two fingers scrolling etc.). It works very well. Even before I regularly used Linux on Macs (used to be PPC) and I had keyboard shortcuts to simulate clicks (which is what Mac OS users had to do as well) On CentOS this is indeed the biggest problem. (I did not succeed in simulating the buttons as I used to do on Fedora! any hints/ideas would be welcome...). This is probably a showstopper if you want only CentOS (as I said previously I combine it with Fedora 12) and are not often in a situation where you can use an USB mouse. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 22:31 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: You can also run Linux on Apple computers. He was advertising OSX not Apple hardware financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Assuming you wanted an answer... For one thing the powerbooks got 'close lid, sleep, open lid wake up, grab a fresh network connection and continue' right about a decade ago and the odds of that working with any PC hardware/OS combination even today are pretty dismal and it makes a laptop nearly useless if you can't just open it in a new location and click the next link on a page within a few seconds. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com It is personal preference. I have a Macbook Pro running Fedora 12 just fine. It does go to sleep and wake up and reconnect with ZERO issues. I also have a Macbook Pro running CentOS just fine as well. However Fedora is a lot farther ahead driver wise and application wise. It also took longer to configure CentOS to a good state. Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
It is personal preference. I have a Macbook Pro running Fedora 12 just fine. It does go to sleep and wake up and reconnect with ZERO issues. same I also have a Macbook Pro running CentOS just fine as well. However Fedora is a lot farther ahead driver wise and application wise. It also took longer to configure CentOS to a good state. I agree. I have CentOS 5.4, Fedora 12, Debian stable and MacOS 10.6 on this MacBook Pro (2008). I use Fedora when I need flexibility (like in the train or plane), and CentOS when I'm settled down somewhere and want a powerful computer for (java) development. Both share an LVM logical volume with all non distro stuff (like checked out code, maven repository, media files, etc.) You pay a bit more for the Apple hype, but they are excellent computers IMHO. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Chris W Tucker wrote: Assuming you wanted an answer... For one thing the powerbooks got 'close lid, sleep, open lid wake up, grab a fresh network connection and continue' right about a decade ago and the odds of that working with any PC hardware/OS combination even today are pretty dismal and it makes a laptop nearly useless if you can't just open it in a new location and click the next link on a page within a few seconds. It is personal preference. I have a Macbook Pro running Fedora 12 just fine. It does go to sleep and wake up and reconnect with ZERO issues. Yes, it is not impossible to make other OS/hardware combinations work, just rare. Some hardware doesn't even provide a 'lid open' event. I just ran into that with a new sony CW model. It came with windows 7 configured to only sleep a short time, then hibernate instead of the hybrid mode you'd obviously want for a quick wakeup as long as possible, and it makes you hit a key or the power button before it wakes up. I also have a Macbook Pro running CentOS just fine as well. However Fedora is a lot farther ahead driver wise and application wise. It also took longer to configure CentOS to a good state. I'm not sure I'd call it running CentOS if you had to add drivers/components/firmware to make it work. Even on my dual-boot laptop I tend to run the linux partiton under vmware player instead of booting into it. One of the things I use it for is to access linux disks through a USB -ide/sata adapter cable and the 2.x versions of vmware handle that well enough to be usable. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Christoph Maser wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 22:31 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: You can also run Linux on Apple computers. He was advertising OSX not Apple hardware That was not advertising. There is a big difference between advertising and a user stating a preference, presumably with reasons based on experience. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Am Samstag, den 09.01.2010, 18:49 +0100 schrieb Les Mikesell: Christoph Maser wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 22:31 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: You can also run Linux on Apple computers. He was advertising OSX not Apple hardware That was not advertising. There is a big difference between advertising and a user stating a preference, presumably with reasons based on experience. Sure, your opinion. But to me the question was a suitable laptop for running CentOS not what is the best OS to run on a laptop Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Christoph Maser wrote: You can also run Linux on Apple computers. He was advertising OSX not Apple hardware That was not advertising. There is a big difference between advertising and a user stating a preference, presumably with reasons based on experience. Sure, your opinion. But to me the question was a suitable laptop for running CentOS not what is the best OS to run on a laptop And as you might have noticed, there weren't an overwhelming number of replies from people happy with their experience with CentOS on laptops. It's not unreasonable to use/recommend the best thing for the intended purpose and CentOS isn't a particularly good fit on a laptop. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On 01/09/2010 06:31 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Christoph Maser wrote: Sure, your opinion. But to me the question was a suitable laptop for running CentOS not what is the best OS to run on a laptop And as you might have noticed, there weren't an overwhelming number of replies from people happy with their experience with CentOS on laptops. It's not unreasonable to use/recommend the best thing for the intended purpose and CentOS isn't a particularly good fit on a laptop. That's your opinion. I'm perfectly happy running CentOS on my Dell XPS M1330, and furthermore pretty much everything works fine straight out of the box: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/XPS_M1330 Those that are happy don't always speak up. Mostly it's those who are unhappy or have things not working that you hear from. JMHO. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
I also have a Macbook Pro running CentOS just fine as well. However Fedora is a lot farther ahead driver wise and application wise. It also took longer to configure CentOS to a good state. I'm not sure I'd call it running CentOS if you had to add drivers/components/firmware to make it work. So what you are essentially saying is any OS that you install on any machine, that you have to add drivers to, is not running that OS?? Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
That's your opinion. I'm perfectly happy running CentOS on my Dell XPS M1330, and furthermore pretty much everything works fine straight out of the box: Wait, that cannot be so. Another happy user? :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Chris W Tucker wrote: I also have a Macbook Pro running CentOS just fine as well. However Fedora is a lot farther ahead driver wise and application wise. It also took longer to configure CentOS to a good state. I'm not sure I'd call it running CentOS if you had to add drivers/components/firmware to make it work. So what you are essentially saying is any OS that you install on any machine, that you have to add drivers to, is not running that OS?? Not in the sense that you can say the OS 'works' on the hardware in question. You might say you can make it work if you add/replace parts. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
So what you are essentially saying is any OS that you install on any machine, that you have to add drivers to, is not running that OS?? Not in the sense that you can say the OS 'works' on the hardware in question. You might say you can make it work if you add/replace parts. Ok, I will say this is totally subjective. I will conclude by saying that my Macbook pro is running CentOS 5.4 just fine, with no hardware removal or replacement :) I have an older Toshiba satellite used just for a file server, and it has 5.3 on it. To me, and employees, they work just fine. Almost any OS, M$ Windows included, has needed drivers at some point. Cheers, Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Chris W Tucker wrote: So what you are essentially saying is any OS that you install on any machine, that you have to add drivers to, is not running that OS?? Not in the sense that you can say the OS 'works' on the hardware in question. You might say you can make it work if you add/replace parts. Ok, I will say this is totally subjective. I will conclude by saying that my Macbook pro is running CentOS 5.4 just fine, with no hardware removal or replacement :) I have an older Toshiba satellite used just for a file server, and it has 5.3 on it. To me, and employees, they work just fine. Almost any OS, M$ Windows included, has needed drivers at some point. Agreed on the subjective point. If you don't need features, you don't miss the fact that they might not work and some people might use a laptop as a stationary desktop replacement. But for me, the point of a laptop is to be able to resume your work in a matter of seconds anywhere. On the other hand, my use might be atypical in that I keep a Centos freenx session running on a stable server and can reconnect to it from anywhere if I want a full environment and would do that rather than try to duplicate it to run standalone on a laptop. This works the same with the NX client whether it runs on linux, windows, or OSX so I usually just run thunderbird and firefox locally because they are equally OS-agnostic and don't mind network restarts and fire up the NX connection for my Centos work, with a VMware image available if I need it. If I didn't have a stable server or reasonable connectivity everywhere I might need a different approach. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Ryan Pugatch r...@linux.com wrote: James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Others have already suggested it, but I figured I'd chime in. I have had good luck with Thinkpads and CentOS. I am currently running CentOS 5.4 on a T61 and an X31. If you decide to go that route, you will probably need to spend a little time hacking at the setup to get it to a level where you are happy with using it. However, I believe you'll ultimately be satisfied as I am. thinkwiki.org is a good resource for figuring out what you need to get certain laptop features to work properly. Also, you will likely need to use rpmforge and/or elrepo drivers. My Dell Latitude D400 works beautifully with CentOS 5.4. I even wrote a Wiki on it on setting it up. I think the only thing I had to do by hand was set up the volume up and down and mute buttons -- and CentOS/Gnome provides an application for that. So, once I found that, it was a snap. I should mention, I also changed out my BroadCom WiFi card for an Intel, since there is native CentOS support for Intel (the BroadCom chip set happened to be one of the not fully supported versions). That was about $15 from eBay, and the BroadCom WiFi card went into my wife's Dell (she didn't have an internal card and uses XP). -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.4 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Ned Slider n...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: On 01/09/2010 06:31 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Christoph Maser wrote: Sure, your opinion. But to me the question was a suitable laptop for running CentOS not what is the best OS to run on a laptop And as you might have noticed, there weren't an overwhelming number of replies from people happy with their experience with CentOS on laptops. It's not unreasonable to use/recommend the best thing for the intended purpose and CentOS isn't a particularly good fit on a laptop. That's your opinion. I'm perfectly happy running CentOS on my Dell XPS M1330, and furthermore pretty much everything works fine straight out of the box: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/XPS_M1330 And my Dell Latitude D400 works great. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Dell/Latitude-D400 Those that are happy don't always speak up. Mostly it's those who are unhappy or have things not working that you hear from. Exactly. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.4 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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James B. Byrne wrote: CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. Hi The Dell Precision line can come with RHEL 5, so will work fine with CentOS. I'm sure about M4400. Regards mg. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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How about Thinkpad W500 ? It is a bit expensive, but .. with UBuntu or OpenSUSE os. -- Eero I can second this, I recently obtained a Thinkpad W500 and it has been working flawlessly under Fedora 12. I will hazard a guess that the wireless may not work out of the box in CentOS, but everything else *should* be fine. Plus, with a screen that gets to 1900x1200 I no longer require a second monitor. The one I have has: Core2Duo T9900 @ 3.06GHz 6GB PC3-6500 DDR3 320GB 7200 RPM drive Fedora 12 is nice because it supports almost everything out of the box, sounds works 100%, network 100%... etc. The only thing that doesn't work is the fingerprint reader because fprintd doesn't have support for the device (I had the same problem on my Toshiba Tecra A10). Also, as far as I have read, Fedora 11/12 will be the base for the upcoming RHEL 6 and therefore CentOS 6.x so theoretically if it works in F12, you will be alright for the next CentOS release. Tait signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Quoting Tait Clarridge t...@clarridge.ca: How about Thinkpad W500 ? It is a bit expensive, but .. with UBuntu or OpenSUSE os. -- Eero I can second this, I recently obtained a Thinkpad W500 and it has been working flawlessly under Fedora 12. I will hazard a guess that the wireless may not work out of the box in CentOS, but everything else *should* be fine. Plus, with a screen that gets to 1900x1200 I no longer require a second monitor. The one I have has: Core2Duo T9900 @ 3.06GHz 6GB PC3-6500 DDR3 320GB 7200 RPM drive Fedora 12 is nice because it supports almost everything out of the box, sounds works 100%, network 100%... etc. The only thing that doesn't work is the fingerprint reader because fprintd doesn't have support for the device (I had the same problem on my Toshiba Tecra A10). Also, as far as I have read, Fedora 11/12 will be the base for the upcoming RHEL 6 and therefore CentOS 6.x so theoretically if it works in F12, you will be alright for the next CentOS release. Well, centos is not optimal system for laptop due to old drivers and so on. Personally I prefer ubuntu, fedora or opensuse on laptops.. or OSX. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Thank you for the many helpful suggestions. I have to spend a bit more time researching this evidently. Sincerely, -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 01/07/2010 02:14 PM Robert Heller wrote: At Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:37:46 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Sorry about the dead HP, but congratulation on being able to dump Microsoft. I've always kept it on mine (doing a dual-boot) just because when I have a hardware problem and have to call up tech support, they want me to run MS stuff for testing and if I only have Linux, they say they don't support Linux and so I then own the hardware problem. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. I currently have 21 days uptime on my notebook, a four-plus-year-old Dell Inspiron 600m. I've often had more than double that uptime. I bought it with a half gig video RAM (not shared), a half gig of system RAM, and a 60M HD, the latter two of which I upgraded to 2G RAM and 320G HD. It's solid. Yes, I've had about one hardware problem a year, but got an extended warranty, so I just call up their tech support, walk through the problem with them (they've always been reasonable or better than reasonable), and someone comes to the house, generally the next day and fixes it in a half hour. At the end of the fourth year the extended warranty could no longer be renewed. I called them up again because, with all the typing I do, I wore the letters of several of the keys. Other than that, the keyboard was fine. But they replaced it. In fact, with some confusion over whether I was going to replace it myself of someone else was to come out, I wound up with a spare new keyboard. Similarly, the touchpad was worn down. They replaced that too. The hardware tech also wanted to give me a new screen, but I told him-- at least twice-- that, no, I really didn't need it. The CD/DVD R/W was questionable, so they replaced that too. While the tech was here, I had him take out and blow out the fan (which was really clogged up). With the RAM and HD upgrades I did myself, I pretty much have a new machine. I had one other Dell laptop before this, corporate supplied, and I was happy with that one too. This 600m is cool because it has a swappable bay. That is, I press a button on the side and the CD/DVD drive slides out and I can put a second battery or a floppy drive in its place. With the second battery in it, I've run this machine for more than seven (7) hours unplugged. The Intel wireless (b/g) has always worked fine. The only headache there was getting it correctly right on Linux initially. No problems at all attributable to hardware. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. This Dell sort of has the same issue. I fixed this by spending $3 on a TV tray a little wider than the laptop, big enough so that the DVD tray can pop out enough to insert/remove the disks, but with lips low enough lips to not get in the way of plugging in USB sticks and other stuff. The little bit of extra space is a handy place for pens and pencils and sharpies, scraps of paper and USB sticks. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I ran opensuse for the first four years on this machine, then switched over to centos. Way too many folks on the opensuse lists with severe ego/attitude problems. Ubuntu isn't on my OS horizon simply because I don't want to type sudo fifty or a hundred times a day. And I prefer rpm/yum to other package management systems. It's what my job calls for and I don't have a choice in that. The (relatively) old programming maxim, Fast, good, cheap... pick two, generally applies to buying a laptop too. Hope you find something which works well for you. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows I have an (old) IBM Thinkpad X25 and it works great (yes, it is older). Unless you buy a used laptop, you will pay the Microsoft Tax. It is
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 16:35 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: Well, centos is not optimal system for laptop due to old drivers and so on. Personally I prefer ubuntu, fedora or opensuse on laptops.. or OSX. Well that is really what the OP asked for NOT. There have been good answers so far, why do Apple-junkies always tend to advertise apple stuff even to other long time apple users? Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 1/8/10 11:06 PM, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 16:35 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: Well, centos is not optimal system for laptop due to old drivers and so on. Personally I prefer ubuntu, fedora or opensuse on laptops.. or OSX. Well that is really what the OP asked for NOT. There have been good answers so far, why do Apple-junkies always tend to advertise apple stuff even to other long time apple users? You can also run Linux on Apple computers. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 1/8/2010 3:06 PM, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.01.2010, 16:35 +0100 schrieb Eero Volotinen: Well, centos is not optimal system for laptop due to old drivers and so on. Personally I prefer ubuntu, fedora or opensuse on laptops.. or OSX. Well that is really what the OP asked for NOT. There have been good answers so far, why do Apple-junkies always tend to advertise apple stuff even to other long time apple users? Assuming you wanted an answer... For one thing the powerbooks got 'close lid, sleep, open lid wake up, grab a fresh network connection and continue' right about a decade ago and the odds of that working with any PC hardware/OS combination even today are pretty dismal and it makes a laptop nearly useless if you can't just open it in a new location and click the next link on a page within a few seconds. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Others have already suggested it, but I figured I'd chime in. I have had good luck with Thinkpads and CentOS. I am currently running CentOS 5.4 on a T61 and an X31. If you decide to go that route, you will probably need to spend a little time hacking at the setup to get it to a level where you are happy with using it. However, I believe you'll ultimately be satisfied as I am. thinkwiki.org is a good resource for figuring out what you need to get certain laptop features to work properly. Also, you will likely need to use rpmforge and/or elrepo drivers. - Ryan ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On 1/7/10 8:37 PM, James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. How about Thinkpad W500 ? It is a bit expensive, but .. with UBuntu or OpenSUSE os. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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At Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:37:46 -0500 (EST) CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. Low-end (read: cheap) Dell laptops tend to be junk. Dell is somewhat between a rock and a hard place WRT selling computers with an O/S *other* then MS-Windows, due to M$ OEM licensing. Also, Dell (and other makers) have had troubles with people chosing the *cheaper* Ubuntu computers only to discover that MS-Windows software not working on them and returning them as 'defective' (this is probably a mis-information issue by the marketing people). You may have to call Dell up and work you way through the phone sales idiots to get what you want. Another alternitive is an older model IBM Thinkpad -- they have *Intel's* wireless adapters built-in -- Intel's wireless adaptors are the most painless wireless adapters in existence since they are supported by an open-source driver that is included with the base kernel distro. Almost all others require all sorts of fun and games to get working under Linux. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows I have an (old) IBM Thinkpad X25 and it works great (yes, it is older). Unless you buy a used laptop, you will pay the Microsoft Tax. It is almost impossible to buy a *new* laptop with anything other than MS-Windows pre-installed (unless you buy a MacBook). PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ OK, my IBM Thinkpad X25 has a 1.4ghz P4 (32-bit), will support up to 1gig of RAM, as big an *IDE* hard drive (I believe 160gig drives are available), but has no DVD/CD drive (I have a 40gig drive in it presently). I'm presently running CentOS 4.8, but plan on upgrading to CentOS 5.4 soon. Note: 64 bit, core duo 2, 2-4+ Gb RAM, and writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive are somewhat counter indicated with Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in), Battery life 2.0 hrs.. You will need to make a trade off here (i.e. the extra 'goodies' will mean more weight and/or less battery life). Another note: unless you are doing something like s...@home, you *don't really need* a multi-core processor. 99% of desktop applications are single threaded (and there is no point in multi-threading them). Only Firefox is 'multi-threaded', but the extra threads are all I/O bound most of the time (mostly downloading content, which is bad news on a dialup connection...[wishing a single-threaded version of Firefox existed]). (Multi-core processors draw more power than a single core processor and need more cooling...) Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows hel...@deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Eero Volotinen wrote: On 1/7/10 8:55 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: On 1/7/10 8:37 PM, James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. How about Thinkpad W500 ? It is a bit expensive, but .. with UBuntu or OpenSUSE os. Also Dell (http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/dell/rhino/) E6500 / M6400 is good solution. -- Eero FWIW I am using CentOS 5.4 x86-64 on a Thinkpad X200 and 32 bit on a Thinkpad A31. Until recently I was using CentOS 5.3/4 32bit on a Thinkpad x31. All have been/are very reliable and are used 8-10 hrs per day in software development. I too prefer this environment to Windows. roger wells ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On 1/7/2010 1:14 PM, Robert Heller wrote: Low-end (read: cheap) Dell laptops tend to be junk. Dell is somewhat between a rock and a hard place WRT selling computers with an O/S *other* then MS-Windows, due to M$ OEM licensing. Also, Dell (and other makers) have had troubles with people chosing the *cheaper* Ubuntu computers only to discover that MS-Windows software not working on them and returning them as 'defective' (this is probably a mis-information issue by the marketing people). I don't think the return issue is actually true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_netbooks/ -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Another alternitive is an older model IBM Thinkpad -- they have *Intel's* wireless adapters built-in -- Intel's wireless adaptors are the most painless wireless adapters in existence since they are supported by an open-source driver that is included with the base kernel distro. Almost all others require all sorts of fun and games to get working under Linux. I think that Thinkpad W-series is the best of Linux laptops, it is still sad that they are using ati card instead of nvidia. My work computer is fujitsu-siemens celsius H250, it is very good but build quality is poor .. Usually this kind of laptops can take up to 8GB of main memory. -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/7/2010 1:14 PM, Robert Heller wrote: Low-end (read: cheap) Dell laptops tend to be junk. Dell is somewhat between a rock and a hard place WRT selling computers with an O/S *other* then MS-Windows, due to M$ OEM licensing. Also, Dell (and other makers) have had troubles with people chosing the *cheaper* Ubuntu computers only to discover that MS-Windows software not working on them and returning them as 'defective' (this is probably a mis-information issue by the marketing people). I don't think the return issue is actually true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_netbooks/ I'd agree though that the low-end Dells have quality issues. Though I haven't returned any of the five or so Inspirons that I've purchased, all of them have had issues that required in-warranty repair. These range from physical sound issues, hinges popping open, unequal LCD illumination, and DVD Reader failures. The two XPSs I own have been rock solid, however. The Inspirons run CentOS well though. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On 1/7/2010 1:49 PM, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/7/2010 1:14 PM, Robert Heller wrote: Low-end (read: cheap) Dell laptops tend to be junk. Dell is somewhat between a rock and a hard place WRT selling computers with an O/S *other* then MS-Windows, due to M$ OEM licensing. Also, Dell (and other makers) have had troubles with people chosing the *cheaper* Ubuntu computers only to discover that MS-Windows software not working on them and returning them as 'defective' (this is probably a mis-information issue by the marketing people). I don't think the return issue is actually true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_netbooks/ I'd agree though that the low-end Dells have quality issues. Though I haven't returned any of the five or so Inspirons that I've purchased, all of them have had issues that required in-warranty repair. These range from physical sound issues, hinges popping open, unequal LCD illumination, and DVD Reader failures. The two XPSs I own have been rock solid, however. The Inspirons run CentOS well though. I've always thought the Latitude line was a lot more reliable than the Inspirons. I carried a D600 everywhere for years, then a D630 more recently with no problems with either, but they have just changed the whole series. I have Windows/Ubuntu dual-booting on the D630 only because Centos 5.0 didn't work with the wifi - but the current version might. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Roger K. Wells wrote: Eero Volotinen wrote: On 1/7/10 8:55 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: On 1/7/10 8:37 PM, James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. How about Thinkpad W500 ? It is a bit expensive, but .. with UBuntu or OpenSUSE os. Also Dell (http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/dell/rhino/) E6500 / M6400 is good solution. -- Eero FWIW I am using CentOS 5.4 x86-64 on a Thinkpad X200 and 32 bit on a Thinkpad A31. Until recently I was using CentOS 5.3/4 32bit on a Thinkpad x31. All have been/are very reliable and are used 8-10 hrs per day in software development. I too prefer this environment to Windows. roger wells perhaps I should have mentioned: 1. Wireless works on all three 2. Battery life on X200 exceeds 2 hours 3. X200 is Intel core duo 2, 4 Gb RAM, 250Gb encrypted HD. 4. X200 OS is 2.6.18-164.9.1.el5.centos.plus #1 SMP Wed Dec 16 11:24:24 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 5. X200 is new in August, A31, X31 are a few years old 6. I use a LG USB DVD burner for X200 X31 (X31 is now WXP again) rkw ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
At Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:49:40 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/7/2010 1:14 PM, Robert Heller wrote: Low-end (read: cheap) Dell laptops tend to be junk. Dell is somewhat between a rock and a hard place WRT selling computers with an O/S *other* then MS-Windows, due to M$ OEM licensing. Also, Dell (and other makers) have had troubles with people chosing the *cheaper* Ubuntu computers only to discover that MS-Windows software not working on them and returning them as 'defective' (this is probably a mis-information issue by the marketing people). I don't think the return issue is actually true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_netbooks/ I'd agree though that the low-end Dells have quality issues. Though I haven't returned any of the five or so Inspirons that I've purchased, all of them have had issues that required in-warranty repair. These range from physical sound issues, hinges popping open, unequal LCD illumination, and DVD Reader failures. The two XPSs I own have been rock solid, however. The Inspirons run CentOS well though. Just about all of the low-end Dell boxes (laptops or desktops) tend to be low-quality boxes -- you gets what you pay for. Higher end Dells seem to be OK (eg 'Workstations', servers, etc.). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows hel...@deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. I have an Everex StepNote laptop that works fine with CentOS (came with Ubuntu, but I don't like that), but I would not recommend any Everex computers to anyone. For one thing, the company is out of business, so all warranties are DOA. My laptop works fine, so far, except that the headset plug for earphones (and, hence, extension speakers) does not work. I'm not in a financial position to get it repaired, so I have a fine, multimedia capable laptop with a crappy, mono speaker that sounds like most laptop speakers - tinny and crappy. Aside from that, mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Le jeudi 07 janvier 2010 19:37:46, James B. Byrne a écrit : PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. Not a Panasonic CF-52 :-( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477708 -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
Hey On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:37 PM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows If you can take a little smaller screen you might think about getting a IBM X301. I love mine to bits. It is a really good piece of kit. A little pricey but you pay for quality. I really USE my laptops and never had a problem with a Think Pad (X series) PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Works pretty much out of the box with CentOS 5. rpmforge has the rest. Full install took me less then 2 hours. -- My www page: www.ribalba.de Email / Jabber: riba...@gmail.com Skype : ribalba ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:37 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote: So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. I'm writing this on a ThinkPad T61 (used), which meets all your requirements. I'm running Fedora 12 for a couple of reasons: NetworkManager and power managment have matured a lot since F6/CentOS 5. Also, the current generation mulitmedia apps are easier to install on F12. All the hardware was recognized and supported out of the box. I haven't tried CentOS on it, but it should also work. (I'm hoping for CentOS 6 within the next year so I won't have to reinstall fedora too often). Previously, I was using CentOS 5.4 on a ThinkPad A20 (500MHz 512MB), which was useable, but slow. The website thinkwiki.org is a good resource for those looking to run Linix on a ThinkPad. You might also search for service manual for the laptop. That will tell you whether the manufacurer think it is serviceable. A MacBook is another idea. They have genuine UNIX, better than average sound, a well-integrated system, no Windows. Jim ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Laptop for CentOS-5
On 07/01/10 18:37, James B. Byrne wrote: I have a defective HP-Compaq nx9420 and so I am looking to replace it. I have pretty much decided to buy no further MicroSoft based products and would very much like to hear recommendations for a suitable notebook host to provide me with Linux based alternative. Given that all the basic functionality required is provided, the main thing that I am looking for is reliability of the host itself. I do a deal of traveling so physical robustness is an issue. But I also use my notebook for hours at a time, generally every day. This means that I am typically on a/c current rather than batteries and that power regulation and heat dissipation are also concerns. The power regulator circuit is in fact what I believe has failed on the nx9420. Not infrequently I have the notebook on my chest or lap while working at home. So the ventilation clearances provided by a flat desk support are frequently absent and the notebook design must accommodate this. I would like to use CentOs as this is what I am most familiar with. But, I am open to CentOS alternatives like Ubuntu or even a non-Linux alternative like a PowerMac with OS-X. I have already looked at the Dell site on the basis of a friends recommendation. While Dell mentions Ubuntu is available for some of their notebook computers they do not seem to provide any way to actually configure a system with it. So, my desires are: WANT: Robust construction Reliable quality Reasonable weight ( 2.5 kg all in) Supported sound and video reproduction of reasonable quality 15-17 lcd screen Out-of-the-box support for wireless networking Battery life 2.0 hrs. Not MS-Windows PREFER: 64 bit core duo 2 2-4+ Gb RAM 120+ Gb HDD writable multi-mode DVD/CD drive CentOS-5+ Your system suggestions, both for hardware and OS, are most welcome. I'm not really into the whole laptop market scene my self, so I'm not going to suggest any hardware. However, I do wonder, why you don't simply buy a laptop that suits your needs, then simply wipe the OS off? (If it was the evil that is MS on it) Though it may get price changes (Due to MS Tax), but sometimes I find in laptops the price tax isn't all that high any more. For example, you could get choose a Windoze machine, but before buying, look into the technical details, then Google the parts to see what will work and what won't and if need be, choose another :-). As for OS Choice, my personal preferences are: Absolutely needs reliability (Such as Server): CentOS/RHEL General Use (Such as Standard PC): Fedora (Latest, upgrade as soon as new one is out) I've never used Mac OSX so I have no comments with it :-) Just my 2c :-) -- Jake ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
