Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Mark LaPierre]

I would like to take this opportunity send profuse thanks to the CentOS 
build team for all the awesome work that they do.  Don't ever think that 
your hard work is not appreciated.


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Johnny Hughes]

On 5/9/19 11:03 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 11:56, Warren Young  wrote:
> 
>> On May 9, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>>>
>>> As an initial goal, we would love to have a release in a month ..
>>
>> That’s about the average time for 7.x releases, which I assume are far
>> less work to get out than a point-zero.
>>
>> Is this goal realistic?
>>
>>
> It is a soft goal. If everything works out, this would be the earliest it
> could happen. This is meant for the people wondering why on May 12th it
> isn't there or May 20th or June 1st. As various parts of reality come up
> the dates will be updated in the schedule.

Right.  A very soft .. pulled out the air .. things go perfectly ..
goal. At the very earliest type of thing.

> 
> 
>> I’d consider any ship date before about September to be “success.”

We will have to see how it goes.

One thing that is very different about this is 'Modularity'.  There are
Modules repos as well as Source repos:

https://git.centos.org/projects/modules/*

https://git.centos.org/projects/rpms/*

But we are on it :D




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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 11:56, Warren Young  wrote:

> On May 9, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> >
> > As an initial goal, we would love to have a release in a month ..
>
> That’s about the average time for 7.x releases, which I assume are far
> less work to get out than a point-zero.
>
> Is this goal realistic?
>
>
It is a soft goal. If everything works out, this would be the earliest it
could happen. This is meant for the people wondering why on May 12th it
isn't there or May 20th or June 1st. As various parts of reality come up
the dates will be updated in the schedule.


> I’d consider any ship date before about September to be “success.”
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Warren Young]

On May 9, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> 
> As an initial goal, we would love to have a release in a month ..

That’s about the average time for 7.x releases, which I assume are far less 
work to get out than a point-zero.

Is this goal realistic?

I’d consider any ship date before about September to be “success.”
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Johnny Hughes  said:
> We obviously can not yet make an educated guess on WHEN this process
> might or might not be completed .. or WHEN the new version will be
> available.

So, next Tuesday then? :)

Thanks for the update, and all the hard work!

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Johnny Hughes]

On 5/7/19 9:07 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux 8.
> 
> More details at
> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4
> 
> 

A summary about this process will be maintained here:

https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8

We were working with the beta packages (and fedora as necessary) to
create the Loop O packages for x86_64, i686, ppc64le, aarch64 arches ..
to be used to create our initial set of test packages from the source
code released to git.centos.org.

We will also have an armhfp arch .. but there is no RHEL 8 Beta for that
arch and that initial bootstrap process will be much different than the
other RHEL supported arches.  As such, it will be done completely
differently on a separate build system. And that process will likely
include a couple more of the iteration loops and have more bootstrap
processes, etc.

We obviously can not yet make an educated guess on WHEN this process
might or might not be completed .. or WHEN the new version will be
available.  We are shifting to a new koji build setup for the CentOS
Linux 8 process.  We are also shifting to a new pungi process for
creating images, install media, etc.  All of this is new to the project
for building distros and it is a learning process for us as well.

As an initial goal, we would love to have a release in a month .. but of
course, we really do not have ample information at this time to make a
real estimate of time required or obstacles we may encounter .. This is
very much an iterative process with each step depending on the step
before .. and each step may need to be repeated several time before we
can move on. As we continue on with the process, we will update the
above link, and as we get closer we will provide a better estimate.

Rest assured that we are working on this and other than security updates
for CentOS Linux 6 and 7 (which will take priority when they happen) ..
this is our top priority.  And as usual, our volunteer QA team will be
helping us tremendously in completing this process.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes



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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Mark Milhollan]

You can experience RHEL8 via the developer version allowing you to work 
out how your configurations and management will have to change, which 
may coincide with CentOS arriving by the time you finish.



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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 07/05/2019 à 16:23, Alessandro Baggi a écrit :
> When c8 will be released?
> When epel repository will be usable with C8?

I must be a true CentOS user at heart. Because my first thought was
something more in the line of: "Why the rush? CentOS 7.6 has just been
released. We're good here."

:o)

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 11:05:29 -0700
John Pierce  wrote:
> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:59 AM Marko Vojinovic 
> wrote:
> >
> > Which Fedora release was used as a base(*) for RHEL 8?
> 
> Wikipedia says, "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 is based on Fedora 28

Oh, RHEL 8 has just been released, and there is already a wikipedia
article about it, I'm impressed! ;-)

So, it's based on F28, thanks for the info!

:-)
Marko


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[John Pierce]

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:59 AM Marko Vojinovic  wrote:

>
> Which Fedora release was used as a base(*) for RHEL 8?




>
>

Wikipedia says, "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 is based on Fedora 28
,
upstream Linux
kernel  4.18, systemd
 239, and GNOME 3.28."


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tue, 7 May 2019 10:07:15 -0400
Rich Bowen  wrote:

> This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux 8.

Which Fedora release was used as a base(*) for RHEL 8?

(*) As far as I am aware, RH constructs each release by taking a
snapshot of a current Fedora, and then tweaking it into a latest RHEL
version, roughly speaking...

:-)
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 04:23:06PM +0200, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
> Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:
> >This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
> >Enterprise Linux 8.
> >
> >More details at
> >https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4
> >
> >
> 
> Hi Rich,
> thank you for the great news.
> 
> When c8 will be released?

Like a Gallo wine, it will be released when it is ready. There's a huge
amount of work to get it ready, so lets all refrain from bugging the
developers, please?


> When epel repository will be usable with C8?

Whenever it's ready...



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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[mark]

Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On 2019-05-07 11:00, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:
>> Am 2019-05-07 17:51, schrieb Fabian Arrotin:
>>> On 07/05/2019 16:23, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
 Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:

> This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red
> Hat Enterprise Linux 8.

 Hi Rich,
 thank you for the great news.

 When c8 will be released?
 When epel repository will be usable with C8?

>>> Please let's stop trolling this channel already .. we're busy on it,
>>> so no need to ask in loop ...
>>
>> You forgot to preempt the "But why didn't you start with the
>> betas?"-question. ;-)
>>
>
> I am mot in the CentOS team, and I am not going to bug them about new
> release. I know they are busy on that task as they always have been.
>
> I decided to just express my gratitude to CentOS team for the great
> thing we all enjoy using!
>
What Valeri said. I'm sort of looking forward to it, because my new lady
wants me to redo her laptop with Linux, being unutterably fed up with
Lose10 (as friends said 20+ years ago, you never win with Windows, you
only lose), and I didn't think C6, what I have on my workstation at
home, was the right way to go.

However... I'd rather y'all didn't release it before its time. 

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 2019-05-07 11:00, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:

Am 2019-05-07 17:51, schrieb Fabian Arrotin:

On 07/05/2019 16:23, Alessandro Baggi wrote:

Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:

This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux 8.

More details at
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4 







Hi Rich,
thank you for the great news.

When c8 will be released?
When epel repository will be usable with C8?

Thanks in advance


Please let's stop trolling this channel already .. we're busy on it, so
no need to ask in loop ...



You forgot to preempt the "But why didn't you start with the 
betas?"-question.

;-)


I am mot in the CentOS team, and I am not going to bug them about new 
release. I know they are busy on that task as they always have been.


I decided to just express my gratitude to CentOS team for the great 
thing we all enjoy using!


Valeri



RHEL8 is available, for sale, right now.

I'm sure that if a business case can be made, RHEL8 is worth it.


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[rainer]

Am 2019-05-07 17:51, schrieb Fabian Arrotin:

On 07/05/2019 16:23, Alessandro Baggi wrote:

Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:

This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux 8.

More details at
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4





Hi Rich,
thank you for the great news.

When c8 will be released?
When epel repository will be usable with C8?

Thanks in advance


Please let's stop trolling this channel already .. we're busy on it, so
no need to ask in loop ...



You forgot to preempt the "But why didn't you start with the 
betas?"-question.

;-)

RHEL8 is available, for sale, right now.

I'm sure that if a business case can be made, RHEL8 is worth it.


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Fabian Arrotin]

On 07/05/2019 16:23, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
> Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:
>> This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux 8.
>>
>> More details at
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Rich,
> thank you for the great news.
> 
> When c8 will be released?
> When epel repository will be usable with C8?
> 
> Thanks in advance

Please let's stop trolling this channel already .. we're busy on it, so
no need to ask in loop ...

Thanks !

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Digimer  said:
> If past releases are anything to go by, I would expect it will take a
> few months. Figuring out how to rebuild all the RPMs to get binary
> compatibility is a slow process. Be patient with the CentOS devs, please. :)

To add to that - the whole switch to modularity with RHEL 8 adds
complications to the build system that have to be figured out.  I
believe for example that EPEL can't use modules yet (the details on that
are still being worked out).
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Digimer]

On 2019-05-07 10:23 a.m., Alessandro Baggi wrote:
> Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:
>> This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
>> Enterprise Linux 8.
>>
>> More details at
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Rich,
> thank you for the great news.
> 
> When c8 will be released?
> When epel repository will be usable with C8?

... And so it begins.

If past releases are anything to go by, I would expect it will take a
few months. Figuring out how to rebuild all the RPMs to get binary
compatibility is a slow process. Be patient with the CentOS devs, please. :)

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Alessandro Baggi]

Il 07/05/19 16:07, Rich Bowen ha scritto:

This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux 8.

More details at
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4




Hi Rich,
thank you for the great news.

When c8 will be released?
When epel repository will be usable with C8?

Thanks in advance
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[CentOS] RHEL 8 released

[Rich Bowen]

This morning Red Hat announced the general availability of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux 8.

More details at
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-enterprise-linux-8-every-enterprise-every-cloud-every-workload?sc_cid=701f201OIIOAA4


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