Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/2/21 5:42 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: You may need to rebuild gcc from different source rpms to get Objective-C in EL-8. The RHEL gcc source rpms did not produce Objective-C rpms or binaries when I looked at it in 2019. That would explain the gcc rpms in the upsteam nightly repo (https://packages.inverse.ca/SOGo/nightly/5/rhel/8/x86_64/RPMS/) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 20:41, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 3/1/21 4:31 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: > > Do those scripts also handle the building of Objective-C, which is > > needed to build SOGo? I have been toying with this off and on, > > there's an independent repo somewhere that has the EL8 builds of Obj-C > > and SOGo, but I haven't had time to get everything set up. > > > I'm still running on 7, where gnustep is available from EPEL. I think > you'd need to manually rebuild gnustep for CentOS 8. > > You may need to rebuild gcc from different source rpms to get Objective-C in EL-8. The RHEL gcc source rpms did not produce Objective-C rpms or binaries when I looked at it in 2019. -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 4:31 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote: Do those scripts also handle the building of Objective-C, which is needed to build SOGo? I have been toying with this off and on, there's an independent repo somewhere that has the EL8 builds of Obj-C and SOGo, but I haven't had time to get everything set up. I'm still running on 7, where gnustep is available from EPEL. I think you'd need to manually rebuild gnustep for CentOS 8. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> I've had good success with SOGo, and I publish scripts for building the free release as rpm packages: Do those scripts also handle the building of Objective-C, which is needed to build SOGo? I have been toying with this off and on, there's an independent repo somewhere that has the EL8 builds of Obj-C and SOGo, but I haven't had time to get everything set up. On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 2:03 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 3/1/21 5:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: > > Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on > > a certain tool? > > > I've had good success with SOGo, and I publish scripts for building the > free release as rpm packages: > > https://github.com/gordonmessmer/build-sogo > > If you decide to pay for a license, the vendor publishes their own rpm > (yum) repository. > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Am 01.03.21 um 20:21 schrieb Simon Matter: On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 12:46, Simon Matter wrote: On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 10:42, Simon Matter wrote: Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Because building with modules in EPEL is very limited. I think https://pagure.io/epel/issue/75 covers many of the issues and the frustration of dealing with them. I found this link last Saturday but didn't want to give up too quickly. I wasn't aware that the situation with EPEL8 is so bad because a) we just started migrating systems to CentOS 8 when the bad news came some weeks ago about CentOS, and b) because we mostly built our own RPMs and didn't depend on EPEL in the past. Now that building became more difficult with the new modularity, it seemed a good thing to rely more on EPEL - just to discover that EPEL is also lacking so much in 8. EPEL has always been in the need of more people who can volunteer time to help maintain and package things. However for the last 5 years (so even before EL8) the need has gotten worse: 1) The core maintainers who pushed EL6 and EL7 have been increasingly 'retired to management' at their respective jobs. Are they Red Hat paid people? If so it confirms my impression that EPEL is not seen very important by Red Hat. 2) Usage has grown greatly with the expectation that what is in EL6 will be in EL7 will be in EL8. As I did and still do a lot of packages which should build on multiple EL versions, I now that it's also a result of the big changes between EL6 and EL7 with the move to systemd. It has resulted in a LOT of additional work for packagers and maybe some got tired a bit. I did at least. 3) Package complexity has grown exponentially. You need more and more packages in the repo as 'buildrequires' or 'install' but are not 'leaf nodes' like say squirrelmail. Some of it is also selfmade. New init system, changing packaging rules, new required build tools, tricky new modularity to just name a few. Other systems like the different BSD ports show that it could be made easier. 4) Most people who 'maintain' the package in Fedora see that as a full time job already and dealing with EPEL issues/complaints is added unpaid work they don't care less for. [For some reason a good many people who open bugs for EPEL packages expect the same level of support as they would for a paid for enterprise product.. and feel like being jerks is the way to get that from EPEL.] Here is probably the biggest problem: a lot of packages are made for Fedora. Then, when EL is forked from Fedora, all additional packages seem to get stripped off. Later, when EL becomes available, some kind soul has to reimplement what has been stripped off before. Doesn't reality come close here? 5) Many upstreams have gone whole-hog into containers and will only work with/deal with the set of tools in their container versus in RPMs or debs. They are especially that way for laggard operating systems like Enterprise Linux or LTS versions. To me this seems like a security nightmare - like closed sorce. 6) Building *good rpms is hard. Building *good modules is harder. However building *good containers makes modularity look easy. So it is easier to just grab someone elses and YOLO. *good = a package which is reproducible, upgradable, secure, debugable, maintainable and probably 10 other features everyone silently expects from EPEL packages versus some one who did a tar2rpm I know what you mean but IMHO the real problem is that bulding good packages became too complicated. In your list above you forgot that you also have to care about SELinux and other nice things. RH could help here by providing all missing sub packages (devel etc.). Not sure about the reasons in not shipping it but for a different support life cycles or in this case for the absent of support, it can be communicated, like for Streams, SCL, etc. They have already different life cycles (compared to BaseOS). If its for delaying OS rebuilders - well, its wasting just time. I would build some EPEL packages if I am not forced to rebuild distro packages just to get the Buildrequires fulfilled. Damm, this was the main workload in 2019 with RHEL8 GA ... -- Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 14:21, Simon Matter wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 12:46, Simon Matter > wrote: > > > > > EPEL has always been in the need of more people who can volunteer time to > > help maintain and package things. However for the last 5 years (so even > > before EL8) the need has gotten worse: > > 1) The core maintainers who pushed EL6 and EL7 have been increasingly > > 'retired to management' at their respective jobs. > > Are they Red Hat paid people? If so it confirms my impression that EPEL is > not seen very important by Red Hat. > > I am pretty sure that whatever I will say would confirm your impression :). In this case, most of the people I am talking about have been outside of Red Hat volunteers versus Red Hat employees. Many of the original people involved have become VP's, CIO's and other places in upper management in their companies. Others have not but found that real life in other ways got in the way. It happens with any volunteer activity. Does that mean Red Hat never took EPEL seriously? Maybe. But the same can be said of the EPEL users. Most of the rules for package inclusion and the retirement problem I have said are public knowledge brought up over and over through the years and yet most people only 'see' them when EPEL is 'broken' to them. There is a continual forgetting that for the first 2 years of EPEL-7 we didn't have as many packages as we did in EPEL-6.. and that 'EPEL is so broke'. There is an expectation that someone is paid to work on this when no one is. Anyway this rant has had to be revised multiple times so I am ending it here. -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 3/1/21 5:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? I've had good success with SOGo, and I publish scripts for building the free release as rpm packages: https://github.com/gordonmessmer/build-sogo If you decide to pay for a license, the vendor publishes their own rpm (yum) repository. Or you could try https://packages.inverse.ca/SOGo/nightly/5/rhel/8/x86_64/ That is a link to their yum repo. I have not used SOGo on C-8 but I find them to be quite stable on C-7 and there is nothing that says you have to update every day. In addition, SOGo provides active sync which works really well on smart phones. It makes the phone think it is connected to an exchange server which makes for simple configuration and it "just works". Regards, -- Tom m...@tdiehl.org ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> On 3/1/21 5:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: >> Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation >> on >> a certain tool? > > > I've had good success with SOGo, and I publish scripts for building the > free release as rpm packages: > > https://github.com/gordonmessmer/build-sogo > > If you decide to pay for a license, the vendor publishes their own rpm > (yum) repository. > Thanks Gordon, I'll have a look. Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 12:46, Simon Matter wrote: > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 10:42, Simon Matter >> wrote: >> > >> >> > Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about >> >> >> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I >> have >> >> to >> >> >> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades >> but >> >> >> yes, >> >> >> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Leon >> >> >> >> Hi Leon, thanks. >> >> I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? >> >> >> >> >> > Because building with modules in EPEL is very limited. I think >> > https://pagure.io/epel/issue/75 covers many of the issues and the >> > frustration of dealing with them. >> > >> >> I found this link last Saturday but didn't want to give up too quickly. >> >> I wasn't aware that the situation with EPEL8 is so bad because a) we >> just >> started migrating systems to CentOS 8 when the bad news came some weeks >> ago about CentOS, and b) because we mostly built our own RPMs and didn't >> depend on EPEL in the past. >> >> Now that building became more difficult with the new modularity, it >> seemed >> a good thing to rely more on EPEL - just to discover that EPEL is also >> lacking so much in 8. >> >> > EPEL has always been in the need of more people who can volunteer time to > help maintain and package things. However for the last 5 years (so even > before EL8) the need has gotten worse: > 1) The core maintainers who pushed EL6 and EL7 have been increasingly > 'retired to management' at their respective jobs. Are they Red Hat paid people? If so it confirms my impression that EPEL is not seen very important by Red Hat. > 2) Usage has grown greatly with the expectation that what is in EL6 will > be > in EL7 will be in EL8. As I did and still do a lot of packages which should build on multiple EL versions, I now that it's also a result of the big changes between EL6 and EL7 with the move to systemd. It has resulted in a LOT of additional work for packagers and maybe some got tired a bit. I did at least. > 3) Package complexity has grown exponentially. You need more and more > packages in the repo as 'buildrequires' or 'install' but are not 'leaf > nodes' like say squirrelmail. Some of it is also selfmade. New init system, changing packaging rules, new required build tools, tricky new modularity to just name a few. Other systems like the different BSD ports show that it could be made easier. > 4) Most people who 'maintain' the package in Fedora see that as a full > time > job already and dealing with EPEL issues/complaints is added unpaid work > they don't care less for. [For some reason a good many people who open > bugs > for EPEL packages expect the same level of support as they would for a > paid > for enterprise product.. and feel like being jerks is the way to get that > from EPEL.] Here is probably the biggest problem: a lot of packages are made for Fedora. Then, when EL is forked from Fedora, all additional packages seem to get stripped off. Later, when EL becomes available, some kind soul has to reimplement what has been stripped off before. Doesn't reality come close here? > 5) Many upstreams have gone whole-hog into containers and will only work > with/deal with the set of tools in their container versus in RPMs or debs. > They are especially that way for laggard operating systems like Enterprise > Linux or LTS versions. To me this seems like a security nightmare - like closed sorce. > 6) Building *good rpms is hard. Building *good modules is harder. However > building *good containers makes modularity look easy. So it is easier to > just grab someone elses and YOLO. > > *good = a package which is reproducible, upgradable, secure, debugable, > maintainable and probably 10 other features everyone silently expects from > EPEL packages versus some one who did a tar2rpm I know what you mean but IMHO the real problem is that bulding good packages became too complicated. In your list above you forgot that you also have to care about SELinux and other nice things. My biggest concern is how this is going to be fixed? Are there any plans from anyone? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 5:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? I've had good success with SOGo, and I publish scripts for building the free release as rpm packages: https://github.com/gordonmessmer/build-sogo If you decide to pay for a license, the vendor publishes their own rpm (yum) repository. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 12:46, Simon Matter wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 10:42, Simon Matter > wrote: > > > >> > Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: > >> > >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about > >> >> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have > >> to > >> >> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but > >> >> yes, > >> >> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) > >> >> > >> > > >> > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Leon > >> > >> Hi Leon, thanks. > >> I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? > >> > >> > > Because building with modules in EPEL is very limited. I think > > https://pagure.io/epel/issue/75 covers many of the issues and the > > frustration of dealing with them. > > > > I found this link last Saturday but didn't want to give up too quickly. > > I wasn't aware that the situation with EPEL8 is so bad because a) we just > started migrating systems to CentOS 8 when the bad news came some weeks > ago about CentOS, and b) because we mostly built our own RPMs and didn't > depend on EPEL in the past. > > Now that building became more difficult with the new modularity, it seemed > a good thing to rely more on EPEL - just to discover that EPEL is also > lacking so much in 8. > > EPEL has always been in the need of more people who can volunteer time to help maintain and package things. However for the last 5 years (so even before EL8) the need has gotten worse: 1) The core maintainers who pushed EL6 and EL7 have been increasingly 'retired to management' at their respective jobs. 2) Usage has grown greatly with the expectation that what is in EL6 will be in EL7 will be in EL8. 3) Package complexity has grown exponentially. You need more and more packages in the repo as 'buildrequires' or 'install' but are not 'leaf nodes' like say squirrelmail. 4) Most people who 'maintain' the package in Fedora see that as a full time job already and dealing with EPEL issues/complaints is added unpaid work they don't care less for. [For some reason a good many people who open bugs for EPEL packages expect the same level of support as they would for a paid for enterprise product.. and feel like being jerks is the way to get that from EPEL.] 5) Many upstreams have gone whole-hog into containers and will only work with/deal with the set of tools in their container versus in RPMs or debs. They are especially that way for laggard operating systems like Enterprise Linux or LTS versions. 6) Building *good rpms is hard. Building *good modules is harder. However building *good containers makes modularity look easy. So it is easier to just grab someone elses and YOLO. *good = a package which is reproducible, upgradable, secure, debugable, maintainable and probably 10 other features everyone silently expects from EPEL packages versus some one who did a tar2rpm -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 10:42, Simon Matter wrote: > >> > Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: >> >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about >> >> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have >> to >> >> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but >> >> yes, >> >> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) >> >> >> > >> > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... >> > >> > -- >> > Leon >> >> Hi Leon, thanks. >> I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? >> >> > Because building with modules in EPEL is very limited. I think > https://pagure.io/epel/issue/75 covers many of the issues and the > frustration of dealing with them. > I found this link last Saturday but didn't want to give up too quickly. I wasn't aware that the situation with EPEL8 is so bad because a) we just started migrating systems to CentOS 8 when the bad news came some weeks ago about CentOS, and b) because we mostly built our own RPMs and didn't depend on EPEL in the past. Now that building became more difficult with the new modularity, it seemed a good thing to rely more on EPEL - just to discover that EPEL is also lacking so much in 8. Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 10:42, Simon Matter wrote: > > Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: > > >> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about > >> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to > >> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but > >> yes, > >> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) > >> > > > > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... > > > > -- > > Leon > > Hi Leon, thanks. > I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? > > Because building with modules in EPEL is very limited. I think https://pagure.io/epel/issue/75 covers many of the issues and the frustration of dealing with them. > Simon > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 11:02 AM, Simon Matter wrote: On 3/1/21 10:27 AM, Jay Hart wrote: Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Simon, I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't get squirrelmail running. I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. I know this is irrelevant to CentOS and RedHat Enterprise, as I run these on FreeBSD (in separate dedicated jail). I do have both of them: roundcube and squirrelmail. When I tell my users about the options, I tell them roundcube is modern and fancy. Squirrelmail, though same good, is more older style. So, they have choices to match their taste. And again, this is irrelevant to Linux. But both roundcube and squirrelmail will not be phased out in close future (my own estimate), though squirrelmail has reached the stage when new features will not be added (nothing bad about that in my book). Valeri Hi Valeri, I've just checked FreeBSD ports: - squirrelmail latest with php 8 Just for record: list of available packages (note PHP version): squirrelmail-php73-20200422 squirrelmail-php74-20200422 squirrelmail-php80-20200422 - roundcube 1.4.11 (latest) with php 7.4 - rainloop 1.15.0 (latest) with php 8 - horde-webmail 5.2.22 (latest) with php 8 Once again a slap in my face as an EL user :-) But I have an idea, I'll look at the squirrelmail port closely and see how I can include the updated code in my RPMs. Sounds like a solution - or move everything to FreeBSD. I'm running a FreeBSD test VM for years and I really like the upgrades the FreeBSD way! Running things in FreeBSD jails (only inseparable things in the same jail) makes things extremely easy: such as upgrades to higher version, updates, migration of servers, or when what you need depends on different things which are incompatible. Several servers I run do not exist as a machines, or individual systems: a host may be a bunch of (2-5) different jails. And I for one consider FreeBSD jails much more secure and significantly slimmer an any virtualization solutions on Linux. But don't ask me to prove the point ;-) Valeri Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 10:56:11 -0600 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > PS Not everything that paces fast with new "releases" and which > releases security patches even more often (yes, I look at you, > Mozilla firefox and thunderbird) is "pretty much dead". and claws for me or roundcube works fine. d ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> > > On 3/1/21 10:27 AM, Jay Hart wrote: >> >> Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: >> >> On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: >>> ... >>> I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a >>> lot >>> of >>> PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is >>> true >>> for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only >>> contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. >>> >>> ... >> >> Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as >> a >> podmans systemd service? >> >> https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ >> >> https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= >> 2.0 >> required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created >> manually) > > Hi Thomas, > > Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about > docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have > to > create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but > yes, > I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon >>> >>> Hi Leon, thanks. >>> I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> ___ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS@centos.org >>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> >> >> Simon, >> >> I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that >> I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have >> C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't >> get squirrelmail running. >> >> I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail >> to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same >> SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. >> >> I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail >> more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does >> seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. >> > > I know this is irrelevant to CentOS and RedHat Enterprise, as I run > these on FreeBSD (in separate dedicated jail). I do have both of them: > roundcube and squirrelmail. When I tell my users about the options, I > tell them roundcube is modern and fancy. Squirrelmail, though same good, > is more older style. So, they have choices to match their taste. > > And again, this is irrelevant to Linux. But both roundcube and > squirrelmail will not be phased out in close future (my own estimate), > though squirrelmail has reached the stage when new features will not be > added (nothing bad about that in my book). > > Valeri Hi Valeri, I've just checked FreeBSD ports: - squirrelmail latest with php 8 - roundcube 1.4.11 (latest) with php 7.4 - rainloop 1.15.0 (latest) with php 8 - horde-webmail 5.2.22 (latest) with php 8 Once again a slap in my face as an EL user :-) But I have an idea, I'll look at the squirrelmail port closely and see how I can include the updated code in my RPMs. Sounds like a solution - or move everything to FreeBSD. I'm running a FreeBSD test VM for years and I really like the upgrades the FreeBSD way! Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 10:41 AM, Christopher Wensink wrote: Jay, I agree, the last post on https://squirrelmail.org/ was an announcement for PHP 5.4 and 5.5 Compatibility from 5/30/2013. The last plugin update was 3/28/2014. I consider squirrelmail pretty much dead at this point. No. it is not. It is not actively developed, no new featured are added for quite some time. Squirrelmail can be downloded here: https://squirrelmail.org/download.php Where you can see year 2021 stable version snapshots. Latest you can download works with PHP 7. As I said in another comment: they do not do new development. But they actively support what it is now, and in my estimate it will not be phased out in any observable future. Yes I had to do this kind of homework when I was rebuilding [freebsd jail with] webmail services. Valeri PS Not everything that paces fast with new "releases" and which releases security patches even more often (yes, I look at you, Mozilla firefox and thunderbird) is "pretty much dead". There are great examples, like: netscape navigator (in its time), cvs (in its time and still here), subversion, squirrelmail, mailman 2 to name few. On 3/1/2021 10:27 AM, Jay Hart wrote: Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Simon, I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't get squirrelmail running. I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. MTC, Jay ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 10:27 AM, Jay Hart wrote: Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Simon, I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't get squirrelmail running. I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. I know this is irrelevant to CentOS and RedHat Enterprise, as I run these on FreeBSD (in separate dedicated jail). I do have both of them: roundcube and squirrelmail. When I tell my users about the options, I tell them roundcube is modern and fancy. Squirrelmail, though same good, is more older style. So, they have choices to match their taste. And again, this is irrelevant to Linux. But both roundcube and squirrelmail will not be phased out in close future (my own estimate), though squirrelmail has reached the stage when new features will not be added (nothing bad about that in my book). Valeri MTC, Jay ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Jay, I agree, the last post on https://squirrelmail.org/ was an announcement for PHP 5.4 and 5.5 Compatibility from 5/30/2013. The last plugin update was 3/28/2014. I consider squirrelmail pretty much dead at this point. On 3/1/2021 10:27 AM, Jay Hart wrote: Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Simon, I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't get squirrelmail running. I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. MTC, Jay ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Christopher Wensink IS Administrator Five Star Plastics, Inc 1339 Continental Drive Eau Claire, WI 54701 Office: 715-831-1682 Mobile: 715-563-3112 Fax: 715-831-6075 cwens...@five-star-plastics.com www.five-star-plastics.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
>> Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: > ... > I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot > of > PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is > true > for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only > contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. > > ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) >>> >>> Hi Thomas, >>> >>> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about >>> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to >>> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but >>> yes, >>> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) >>> >> >> Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... >> >> -- >> Leon > > Hi Leon, thanks. > I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? > > Simon > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > Simon, I'm in same boat as you. I have a C6 machine running squirrelmail that I've been trying to get upgraded. I bought a new machine and have C8 installed, postfix, dovecot, SA, the works, running. But, I couldn't get squirrelmail running. I'm also very interested in the answer to this question, "what webmail to run on C8" (or stream in the future). I've looked at the same SW apps you have and have not really gotten a warm fuzzy over anything. I wonder if another tact to take would be to try to get squirrelmail more "modern". I know Les is still doing a bit of dev, but it does seem like squirrelmail is lagging behind. MTC, Jay ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: >>> >>> On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... >>> >>> Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a >>> podmans systemd service? >>> >>> https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 >>> required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) >> >> Hi Thomas, >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about >> docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to >> create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but >> yes, >> I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) >> > > Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... > > -- > Leon Hi Leon, thanks. I'm wondering why these things are not in EPEL? Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Per the docs, the nextcloud back end is required: https://github.com/nextcloud/mail#readme On 3/1/2021 9:19 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Has anyone tried the NextCloud Mail client? The UI looks pretty nice, but I have not played with it: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/mail Chris Hi Chris, I have bit tried it but I'm wondering if the mail app can we used standalone without the nextcloud backend? And since it's based on Horde, I'm wondering if it's so easy to run on EL8. What IS interesting is that nextcloud itself is in EPEL8! Simon On 3/1/2021 8:47 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi Simon, we used to use Squirrelmail also, but have since migrated to RoundCube. It's easy enough to install on a CentOS 7 server (we don't use EL8) by downloading directly from the Roundcube website and following the installation instructions. The interface is clean, modern, and the project gets frequent updates. Updates have been mostly painless, but they can overwrite some of the customizations one might have made so that is a pain (mostly any CSS customizations or changes to the default .htaccess file which relates to PHP upload size). I don't recall needing any hard to find RPMs - we generally don't stray further than what is available via the CentOS repositories or EPEL. Well, I know it's not a problem on EL7 but I'd like to upgrade to something which is a bit more future proof. There's even a roundcube package in EPEL7 but none in EPEL8, and I guess I know why :-) Seems quite difficult to do this on EL8: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Install-Requirements Simon --Blake On 3/1/2021 7:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Christopher Wensink IS Administrator Five Star Plastics, Inc 1339 Continental Drive Eau Claire, WI 54701 Office: 715-831-1682 Mobile: 715-563-3112 Fax: 715-831-6075 cwens...@five-star-plastics.com www.five-star-plastics.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Christopher Wensink IS Administrator Five Star Plastics, Inc 1339 Continental Drive Eau Claire, WI 54701 Office: 715-831-1682 Mobile: 715-563-3112 Fax: 715-831-6075 cwens...@five-star-plastics.com www.five-star-plastics.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Am 01.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Simon Matter: On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Hey Simon, take a look at Remi's repository ... -- Leon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> Has anyone tried the NextCloud Mail client? The UI looks pretty nice, > but I have not played with it: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/mail > > Chris Hi Chris, I have bit tried it but I'm wondering if the mail app can we used standalone without the nextcloud backend? And since it's based on Horde, I'm wondering if it's so easy to run on EL8. What IS interesting is that nextcloud itself is in EPEL8! Simon > > On 3/1/2021 8:47 AM, Simon Matter wrote: >>> Hi Simon, we used to use Squirrelmail also, but have since migrated to >>> RoundCube. It's easy enough to install on a CentOS 7 server (we don't >>> use EL8) by downloading directly from the Roundcube website and >>> following the installation instructions. The interface is clean, >>> modern, >>> and the project gets frequent updates. Updates have been mostly >>> painless, but they can overwrite some of the customizations one might >>> have made so that is a pain (mostly any CSS customizations or changes >>> to >>> the default .htaccess file which relates to PHP upload size). >>> >>> I don't recall needing any hard to find RPMs - we generally don't stray >>> further than what is available via the CentOS repositories or EPEL. >> Well, I know it's not a problem on EL7 but I'd like to upgrade to >> something which is a bit more future proof. There's even a roundcube >> package in EPEL7 but none in EPEL8, and I guess I know why :-) >> >> Seems quite difficult to do this on EL8: >> https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Install-Requirements >> >> Simon >> >>> --Blake >>> >>> On 3/1/2021 7:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> ___ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS@centos.org >>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >>> >> >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > -- > Christopher Wensink > IS Administrator > Five Star Plastics, Inc > 1339 Continental Drive > Eau Claire, WI 54701 > Office: 715-831-1682 > Mobile: 715-563-3112 > Fax: 715-831-6075 > cwens...@five-star-plastics.com > www.five-star-plastics.com > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Has anyone tried the NextCloud Mail client? The UI looks pretty nice, but I have not played with it: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/mail Chris On 3/1/2021 8:47 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi Simon, we used to use Squirrelmail also, but have since migrated to RoundCube. It's easy enough to install on a CentOS 7 server (we don't use EL8) by downloading directly from the Roundcube website and following the installation instructions. The interface is clean, modern, and the project gets frequent updates. Updates have been mostly painless, but they can overwrite some of the customizations one might have made so that is a pain (mostly any CSS customizations or changes to the default .htaccess file which relates to PHP upload size). I don't recall needing any hard to find RPMs - we generally don't stray further than what is available via the CentOS repositories or EPEL. Well, I know it's not a problem on EL7 but I'd like to upgrade to something which is a bit more future proof. There's even a roundcube package in EPEL7 but none in EPEL8, and I guess I know why :-) Seems quite difficult to do this on EL8: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Install-Requirements Simon --Blake On 3/1/2021 7:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Christopher Wensink IS Administrator Five Star Plastics, Inc 1339 Continental Drive Eau Claire, WI 54701 Office: 715-831-1682 Mobile: 715-563-3112 Fax: 715-831-6075 cwens...@five-star-plastics.com www.five-star-plastics.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> > On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: >> ... >> I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot >> of >> PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true >> for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only >> contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. >> >> ... > > Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a > podmans systemd service? > > https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ > > https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 > required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) Hi Thomas, Thanks for your suggestion. No, I'm not really thinking about docker/podman. I prefer having clean system installs, even if I have to create RPMs myself. This has worked fine for the last two decades but yes, I'm afraid, this is considered old school these days :-) Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> Hi Simon, we used to use Squirrelmail also, but have since migrated to > RoundCube. It's easy enough to install on a CentOS 7 server (we don't > use EL8) by downloading directly from the Roundcube website and > following the installation instructions. The interface is clean, modern, > and the project gets frequent updates. Updates have been mostly > painless, but they can overwrite some of the customizations one might > have made so that is a pain (mostly any CSS customizations or changes to > the default .htaccess file which relates to PHP upload size). > > I don't recall needing any hard to find RPMs - we generally don't stray > further than what is available via the CentOS repositories or EPEL. Well, I know it's not a problem on EL7 but I'd like to upgrade to something which is a bit more future proof. There's even a roundcube package in EPEL7 but none in EPEL8, and I guess I know why :-) Seems quite difficult to do this on EL8: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Install-Requirements Simon > > --Blake > > On 3/1/2021 7:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 >> systems. >> >> This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a >> problem >> and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering >> what >> to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. >> >> We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like >> avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer >> PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. >> >> I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot >> of >> PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true >> for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only >> contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. >> >> Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation >> on >> a certain tool? >> >> Thanks, >> Simon >> >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
On 3/1/21 2:57 PM, Simon Matter wrote: ... I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. ... Have you considered to run the official Roundcube container image as a podmans systemd service? https://hub.docker.com/r/roundcube/roundcubemail/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/improved-systemd-podman (Podman >= 2.0 required, but it's only a systemd service file to be created manually) - Thomas ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Hi Simon, we used to use Squirrelmail also, but have since migrated to RoundCube. It's easy enough to install on a CentOS 7 server (we don't use EL8) by downloading directly from the Roundcube website and following the installation instructions. The interface is clean, modern, and the project gets frequent updates. Updates have been mostly painless, but they can overwrite some of the customizations one might have made so that is a pain (mostly any CSS customizations or changes to the default .htaccess file which relates to PHP upload size). I don't recall needing any hard to find RPMs - we generally don't stray further than what is available via the CentOS repositories or EPEL. --Blake On 3/1/2021 7:57 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
> Hi Simon, > > I'm sure you must have noticed, but just to be clear: your aging C7 > system has more life in it than a C8 system. C8 dies this December, C7 > is projected to 30/6/24. > Martin Hi Martin, thanks for the hint. Yes, I'm aware of it. With EL6 and EL7 I mean CentOS6/7 but with EL8 I mean RHEL, CentOS (Stream) or any other RHEL clone. Simon > > On 01/03/2021 13:57, Simon Matter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 >> systems. >> >> This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a >> problem >> and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering >> what >> to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. >> >> We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like >> avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer >> PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. >> >> I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot >> of >> PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true >> for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only >> contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. >> >> Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation >> on >> a certain tool? >> >> Thanks, >> Simon >> >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > -- > J Martin Rushton MBCS > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Hi Simon, I'm sure you must have noticed, but just to be clear: your aging C7 system has more life in it than a C8 system. C8 dies this December, C7 is projected to 30/6/24. Martin On 01/03/2021 13:57, Simon Matter wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- J Martin Rushton MBCS ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Recommendations for webmail client on EL8
Hi all, I'm still trying to find solutions to replace some aging EL6 and EL7 systems. This time I'm looking at email. Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPd are not a problem and also additional things like DKIM are fine. However, I'm wondering what to use to replace good old squirrelmail with. We had a heavily patched squirrelmail with lots of nice things like avelsieve plugin. Since squirrelmail is dead and unable to run on newer PHP, I'd like to use some other tool instead. I was looking at Roundcube but it seems difficult on EL8 because a lot of PHP stuff is missing and not available as RPMs. I guess the same is true for the python things needed for Mailpile. In the end my list only contains Cypht, Rainloop and Afterlogic Webmail lite. Is there anybody running webmail on EL8? Can you make a recommendation on a certain tool? Thanks, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
