[Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Hi Harry, Has much has I like Centos and RH for big sophisticated setup, it would not be my first choice for your project. For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME). For me CentOS x64 is #1 choice for enterprise (+500 users with Terabytes of storage ) sever solution. If you have little experience configuring a RH server, get ready to spend lots of time getting everything going as nicely as Clarkconnect does it. For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu. cheers, alain Harry Sukumar wrote: Hello All!!! I was wondering if you can help me little bit…. I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it’s a very remote school and they don’t have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what’s in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through) Firewall Apache Squirrel mail DNS DHCP I am not sure where to start with this project Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!! -- Many Thanks Harry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Alain Terriault scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM: How do you mean big sophisticated setup? I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-) Hi Harry, Has much has I like Centos and RH for big sophisticated setup, it would not be my first choice for your project. For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME). For me CentOS x64 is #1 choice for enterprise (+500 users with Terabytes of storage ) sever solution. If you have little experience configuring a RH server, get ready to spend lots of time getting everything going as nicely as Clarkconnect does it. For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu. cheers, alain Harry Sukumar wrote: Hello All!!! I was wondering if you can help me little bit…. I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it’s a very remote school and they don’t have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what’s in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through) Firewall Apache Squirrel mail DNS DHCP I am not sure where to start with this project Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!! -- Many Thanks Harry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) Matt -- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio University (740) 593-1263 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Matt Hyclak wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort. Ralph pgpTWPd7U9cSf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) Safty first... http://www.psychologymatters.org/solomon.html ...and not all trees are green in the spring and summer. ;) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Given the cost and ease of setup, CentOS is a great choice, using one of the machines as a server and the other as clients. CentOS is very robust, and can be configured for one machine to hundreds, so to ear mark it as only a Enterprise package is wrong, and no there isn't a great deal of setup involved. With the tools that come with the package a working server can easily be configured and running in a afternoon, so the task isn't all that tough. Plus you have the wealth of the CentOS community to help if you get in trouble. That's my nickels worth, you can keep the extra three cents... john plemons Ralph Angenendt wrote: Alain Terriault wrote: For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME). [...] For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu. For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red. This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them - Vendor Lock-In. Ralph ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1497 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 8:32 AM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:22:03PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: Matt Hyclak wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort. Someone had to :-) If it makes you feel any better, it looks like they've switched back to Red. Matt -- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio University (740) 593-1263 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Matt Hyclak wrote on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:18:25 -0400: Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) I'm sure that's why he wrote *favorite* color ;-) Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Hyclak wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort. Ralph Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the fact that he's from Columbus mhr (18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI. ;^) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alain Terriault scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM: How do you mean big sophisticated setup? I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-) 'ear, 'ear! I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40), none of which did it for me. CentOS, in one month, impressed me enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge capabilities. It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other, non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were CentOS problems...). Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...). mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
MHR wrote: Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were, in fact, painted yellow. It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school buses with sirens. I haven't seen any in a while, although there are some white ones, too. they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Little substance .. I have live and still working system with .. - Centos with +100 users, ldap (LAM), sendmail (or postfix), web, samba, netatalk, dhcp .. all with certificates on a bunch of dell 1950 and MD1000. Because it is scalable, stable 24/7 and for 100 users+ worth all the time spending configuring it. The only problem with this setup are kernel updates.. the only time I bring down the servers ;-) - Clarkconnect (or SME) for small lab, because it is all done in 30 minutes and then you can easily give a miniadmin access to the lab manager. They make nice, small, safe effective Gateway or server. They are not a sysadmin (shell) playing ground, 95% of the work is done from the web interface, a little bit like webmin. Clark is commercial but inexpensive and well supported. SME is free, but the config system looks to much like the old Netinfo system from NextStep .. bring back bad memory. Try Clark, if it not what you are looking for, go with CentOS or RH they are very stable and effective OS for server. It will require you more time to get it all working properly. Sure you can install and create accounts in /etc/passwd in minutes .. but if you want all the goodies and security (SSL, email, sasl, LDAP, backup, raid ..) you are in for lots of fun (work). - Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free. RedHat has nice educational discount, if I remember $50/workstation and $200/server Bonne chance, alain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Angenendt Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:08 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup] Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them - Vendor Lock- In. Ralph BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-MS-SIGNATURE:YES N:Terriault;Alain FN:Alain Terriault ORG:McGill University, Music Faculty TITLE:LAN Manager TEL;WORK;VOICE:514 398 5988 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(514) 830-9159 X-MS-OL-DEFAULT-POSTAL-ADDRESS:1 URL;WORK:http://www.music.mcgill.ca/lan EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PHOTO;TYPE=JPEG;ENCODING=BASE64: /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CABgAD8DASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDzfUtROo3Gm2XS2iYzOvQE9Rn6dfxNT+KD JPDZXkZw0cpDH03In9Risy0hMbhlz5qhlOR6qRV5ZXNpNZsAdkuRnqVI/wD1UAVtLlksb7DK QpbIx0Gev4V0dzaK1ys0M/kWzj+EfdPVs+tYSNE0LKWC3AP8QG0j39/8a0tOu1tkCTA+W3ow K/rQBsafqEqWwtLVFkkJJZmJ2xjryPpUc9239lTQ7rlzuCz7ZAFUDAJz74JqnNqEbTZil+aU bWaWZm2DPQc8d6zNTZbwRiwPlpEMupXiTLHP14oAvWVtafZJEjkb7MG3KAMbiepPr0PPtUUD W8Osnyoonidco+7DEY6Dpim77gTOoiiWQhEZ1XhUI6Af196y9TstSu7tl0uEzqrHkqFwPTn3 zQB6HqnhqJoV1Kyw5BGfL5BHPXj0zz7VyF86WupGa6gKI4OHxkE5/wA/ma3/AAT4thX7RDLt MJhOAVJXPzHHrjmtSTxV4Q1axNvrlhKs75AMbfMnocjk/jQB5zf+UkpkhLAZzgdsjP5elZEW ppExVIgXJOfk610Fx9hN5Jbr5igYETDLBh/MZ/SuWngdtUu7VQqyREgKMc4/WgC/FcHBNzHy xzgNggf7R610turG0tprW28yTf5MbviNORuI9W4Pt1rmNNeIbRIE3kZLOCDx6HFdVpt89hau jCQzSlXUKMlMhlODnhiPx4oAqIVudoZZDLG5BRVOACQQT6dCOK6mWOWC1hkgR54UAxbxgM56 jfg44rktKinvDK01+kG6ddqTsfMfOQDjr+v866/UdAubaOK5lnMmIxGyqmdvPX39/r7UAM+F /he51D4b65eWs0IaS3mBhaHcxAHGGzkHjivDpY2mdlE0glUfLk45r7H+B9lb2vhCOIMm5oiW 54JPNeG+L/DUel+Kbi3u7ULKG3KrHhkPRg3f/PpQB5zpV7rFjgwzvjqM/MBjnoakF0bjUl1C Z0EsjgywjIbphu2PXvXsdr8PtQvI7Y28dvbWl0MNIsyyfuzycgEkHIA7cmvHfGog0rxheW+l lvIs5TEgY5zjg5+vP50Ab66Vcx3xMUkcluf3ins49vQ1bktrq2jZvMGJXBAHUsM9/b196j0K 5FxpHnIpxCAQo6YJx+FXpi1zaweROqxSEjLKcqe4zjGef1oAWyhuL25luolFuu9BHKw3Fyp5 IyOeW657VuXWsSWkjNFJqlw0ZMEnk4YgjpwRxwDzXS+GH0n+yZLa4khFqj+WEl+UhgM8Z781 i+J9Z0bRdLjtNHm8xplytwsu/Ztboep/vD8qAJvhfrGo3enfZtJMi3bAqXf7in+8ff2rb8W+ EfENx4k06TVphd2bRpALxF4UAk4b35NT+FvGfhPTLGIJaHT0jQJkSAqv+Oa77S/EFlrCrHZX sNxG43YUg0AWIoLfR9CFvEoENtFy3dsA8n8ya+Ib95L+/u7tlJknleQ+xJJr7F+Ll8NI8C6x coxUrbNGpz/E/wAoP5mvkfSHjdgjByfQdz6H2oA0vCxltrQGRiFO7ap79MfhnNdZaqI7e2gE sUSySqHMgyQGJ5PPuOnpUdhpgUrI1uS+AxO35F56E9j04rD1DUBPqLHDiKFwRlAmcHnOOvOf WgD0K30Ow1Az2ekTrHfRbopAz8ygDllwc1Dc+HLrRIUvmsLG5hkUB8OxUHjaSvXPX86zIb6P
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 09:53:29AM -0700, MHR enlightened us: Matt Hyclak wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us: This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine? Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-) I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort. Ralph Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the fact that he's from Columbus mhr (18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI. ;^) My wife's family is primarily from West Virginia, so Ann Arbor has two strikes against it: the fact that it's Ann Arbor and Rich Rodriguez ;-) I suppose that's off topic for here, though... Matt -- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio University (740) 593-1263 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
I realise linux distros are rather a religious matter where each individual/user/sysadmin/whatever think that their particular distro is the best. 8-) With that said, in my case, chosing CentOS was actually a no-brainer, as our department had already settled with RHEL3/4 for application reasons years ago. Furthermore, since CentOS is a binary compatible with RHEL, and looks and feel the same (minus the RHEL-logos), it's also easy to test things out with a free OS first. I however really started out with Fedora Core for a short while, but was flustered with the fast update-schedule. Anyway, I don't even know or remember how I found out about CentOS, only that I felt this strange rush, much like when you put a nice well-worn-in suit or something and it doesn't chafe anywhere. I never bothered looking for another distro after finding CentOS. I even installed it for the beloved mother after I found a potential rootkit on her WinXP Home Ed-machine. I had had it at that point... After installing CentOS5 for her, I applied the Redmond theme and let her play around for a bit with it. Worked like a charm. The hd died on her machine a few months back so I reinstalled it for her again, this time w/o the Redmond theme, and it still works like a charm for her. From a user-perspective, if a 50ish-year-old woman with no interest in OS:es (or anything IT for that matter) can use CentOS without a hitch, then neither should anybody else. It just works, which I rather like, to put it mildly... If there ever was a linux-success story, this is the one. [advocate mode]If you like CentOS, please buy a RHEL entitlement whenever possible. Remember, if there is no RHEL, there won't be a CentOS either, and CentOS is too good to loose.[/advocate mode] That's my 3 oere. 8-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MHR Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:02 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup] On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alain Terriault scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM: How do you mean big sophisticated setup? I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-) 'ear, 'ear! I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40), none of which did it for me. CentOS, in one month, impressed me enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge capabilities. It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other, non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were CentOS problems...). Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...). mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John R Pierce Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:11 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup] MHR wrote: Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were, in fact, painted yellow. It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school buses with sirens. I haven't seen any in a while, although there are some white ones, too. they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Sorin Srbu wrote: Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-) God, and that included my kitchen floor! -Ross __ This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy or printout thereof. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ross S. W. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorin Srbu wrote: Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-) God, and that included my kitchen floor! Okay, where did you get those AWESOME drugs? I want some mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Sorin Srbu wrote: Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-) Throw in a little brown and you've described a tie-dyed shirt I wore in high school. Just the other day my wife and I were looking at our old neighborhood with google street view. Unfortunately, some places have really gone downhill since then. -- Toby Bluhm Alltech Medical Systems America, Inc. 30825 Aurora Road Suite 100 Solon Ohio 44139 440-424-2240 ext203 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
William L. Maltby wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:22 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort. Retort? I could've sworn it was a troll. ;- Na, no troll. The reply stating a favorite was an opinion, possibly useful to the OP if he investigated. As a suggestion, the poster had no obligation to offer supporting facts, evidence, research, etc. Sorry, there is one thing I really don't like: Giving out advice without telling why. Because it is really useless for the guy who got that advice. Why should he follow down that path? Why was he given that advice? Is there really a reason to put some research time into that advice? In this regard, it was no different than *many* other opinions on many topics offered on the list that don't support a suggestion with rigorous analytical processes. And as usual, the OP can request more info or google. Yes. Opinions. Opinions are good, but should be backed up - and not only when you're queried why you have that opinion. And FYI, I've seen yellow and green fire trucks somewhere in the several places I've lived. And trees that are red (redwoods in northern California). Good thing I live in Europe :) Cheers, Ralph pgpKJSHeT3VBH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Alain Terriault, Mr. wrote: Okay, I can see where you are getting with Clarkconnect and SME. That really might be easier for people who aren't into administrating servers. - Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free. But this contradicts what you said above. If you want hasslefree administration for the one or two servers, you don't want to lose that on a desktop which you have to update at least once a year and where updates can give you headaches because something major changed. Giving out stable Desktops is one of the things where CentOS really shines. And: These Desktops are for research and work, not for having the latest and greatest software. Ralph pgpJtD7G0zDet.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Hi Harry, Some good suggestions so far, and I would add these:- 1. Use postfix for your email, not sendmail. Postfix is much easier to configure and use. 2. Install Webmin - a web based server config tool. This will make package customization easier if you're new to Linux. 3. Look into LDAP for centralized user authentication. You don't want to have to create users on 24 machines if you don't need to. If you're keen to host your own email and web site, then you'll need a domain name that is linked to your IP address - e.g. somewhereinFNQ.qld.edu.au I guess you'll need to liaise with the Qld Edu department on making those DNS changes. Anyway, if you get stuck with anything, please don't hesitate to contact me off-line if you prefer. I'm in the Adelaide Hills, so in global terms that's just next door really. Cheers, Ian smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Ian Blackwell wrote: Hi Harry, Some good suggestions so far, and I would add these:- 1. Use postfix for your email, not sendmail. Postfix is much easier to configure and use. 2. Install Webmin - a web based server config tool. This will make package customization easier if you're new to Linux. 3. Look into LDAP for centralized user authentication. You don't want to have to create users on 24 machines if you don't need to. If you're keen to host your own email and web site, then you'll need a domain name that is linked to your IP address - e.g. somewhereinFNQ.qld.edu.au I guess you'll need to liaise with the Qld Edu department on making those DNS changes. Anyway, if you get stuck with anything, please don't hesitate to contact me off-line if you prefer. I'm in the Adelaide Hills, so in global terms that's just next door really. Cheers, Ian PS: Don't forget about a backup strategy. If you're going to host all this data (emails, docs, etc.) on a server, then you need to make sure you put a good backup policy in place. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Go with CentOS on all machines, not only the servers. The turnaround time for Fedora is a tad bit high IMO. I assume your time is not without limits, and with CentOS you'll be supported till like 2014 with patches and stuff IIRC. Fedora is 1,5yrs/release I think. If you can afford it, use RHEL on the server (I think you'll be fine with the most basic entitlement). Remember, if nobody buys RHEL there won't be any CentOS. Install one client and set it up like you want it and create a kickstart-file. Use that file when installing the other clients. For proxy, why not use a separate old machine together with Smoothwall Express 3.0? It's a firewall appliance that includes a transparant proxy which requires no setup on the client-side. Plenty of mods too, like content-filtering to filter out pron and other filth. See here for info on Smoothwall http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=smoothwall. Smoothwall can fix your dhcp-thing too. Installation in general of SW is a laugh, it's that simple. Just keep track of the red (ext) and green (int) networks. 8-) I suggest you start with installing the server and then the proxy/Smoothwall. HTH. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Sukumar Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:04 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] School Server Setup Hello All!!! I was wondering if you can help me little bit.. I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through) Firewall Apache Squirrel mail DNS DHCP I am not sure where to start with this project Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!! -- Many Thanks Harry smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Frank Cox scribbled on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:32 AM: If, for example, the school has only dial-up Internet access, or if they pay by the megabyte for data transfer, then you might want to restrict external traffic in some way and setting up a public webserver isn't the way. Smoothwall can help with that too. Time-restricted access that is. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:20 AM, lingu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: install.I recommend u either fedora6 or fedora 8. 6 ?!?! Why in the name of the holy penguin would anybody want to install FC6 today? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
lingu wrote: Desktop: Fedora is a good move but check out the stable version and install.I recommend u either fedora6 or fedora 8.Keep in mind if you I think it worth to use CentOS on desktops too or, may be it would be even better, Scientific Linux - it's like CentOS is a rebuild of RHEL. You got binary compatible packages for all purposes. I make school-alike server with many features you are requested, but now it lacks of internationalization, all interface on russian. It now has DHCP+DNS with dynamic updates, central LDAP authentication for Samba, Apache, Squid, Sendmail and Dovecot, virus filtering with ClamAV on Squid and Sendmail (through c-icap and milter), spam protection with black and greylisting, internet usage accounting and managing and more. You can see source on our site: http://www.abbris.ru/officemaster May be it's not so pretty code yet, but it written by administrator for non-it-aware people and those who use it like it. You can see some screenshots on our site (http://www.abbris.ru), but, sorry all in russian. You can help us to make it better and localize it to other languages if you want. All code is GPL licensed and will be available on sf.net soon. With best regards, Sergey. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Please check the attachment - Original Message - From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup Harry Sukumar wrote: I was wondering if you can help me little bit I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured If you have one machine that could reasonably act as a server, you could load k12ltsp (a CentOS based distribution that adds the ability to network-boot thin clients and some educational programs) on it and be done. In any case you might find the information here useful: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page along with their mail list. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Diskless Installations.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
gopinath wrote: Please check the attachment Yes, you can enable diskless booting on a stock Centos if you work at it, but if you install the k12ltsp distro it will come up working out of the box and with 2 NICs it will be configured to run one interface connected to your normal internet-facing LAN and boot clients connected to the other using a private address range - and it will NAT for other machines on the private side. It also comes with squidguard and the other things you are likely to need for a classroom/lab setup - and a mail list with a lot of people with experience in that environment. Just be sure to get the 5EL version which is Centos based - the others are currently outdated. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] School Server Setup
does/will this school have a website, or at least one web page somewhere, where it presents itself and mentions that it uses Free Software? If yes, please let me know, I'd like to add a link to it on this page: At this stage they have nothing and this is where I am getting involved to setup website for them as well Marco once I get the project going I will send you the link to the school website and you can add the link on http://digifreedom.net/node/55 -- Thanks Harry S ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Hi Gopinath, Thank you for the reply, All the client machines have 1GB Ram and 80GB of hard disk so I don't think its efficient to run think client setup on the machines But thank any way Cheers Harry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gopinath Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 6:55 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup Please check the attachment - Original Message - From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup Harry Sukumar wrote: I was wondering if you can help me little bit I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured If you have one machine that could reasonably act as a server, you could load k12ltsp (a CentOS based distribution that adds the ability to network-boot thin clients and some educational programs) on it and be done. In any case you might find the information here useful: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page along with their mail list. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
2008/6/11, Harry Sukumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Gopinath, Thank you for the reply, All the client machines have 1GB Ram and 80GB of hard disk so I don't think its efficient to run think client setup on the machines But thank any way Cheers Harry It is efficient in terms of spared free time. Go with http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page or reinvent the wheel. Cheers, Alex. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Alexander Georgiev wrote: 2008/6/11, Harry Sukumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Gopinath, Thank you for the reply, All the client machines have 1GB Ram and 80GB of hard disk so I don't think its efficient to run think client setup on the machines But thank any way Cheers Harry It is efficient in terms of spared free time. Go with http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page or reinvent the wheel. Yes the big win with thin clients is that one install is all you need for the 25 seats and there's not much you can do from the terminals to break it. However, you would need something like a dual xeon server with 4 gigs of RAM to act as the server. If you have to go with standalone workstations, you'll probably want some fast image-based cloning method to install and maintain them. Clonezilla is pretty good for that: http://www.clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] School Server Setup
Hello All!!! I was wondering if you can help me little bit I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through) Firewall Apache Squirrel mail DNS DHCP I am not sure where to start with this project Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!! -- Many Thanks Harry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Hi, For your setup i i will suggest you to follow the implementation in below manner. Desktop: Fedora is a good move but check out the stable version and install.I recommend u either fedora6 or fedora 8.Keep in mind if you want to run kde desktop then u need at least 512MB ram.GNOME is the alternative desktop comes with fedora. Server: Go with centos 5 Configure proxy and dhcp and dns first. Test it from all clients for the internet access. Once it is fine then go with apache and squirrel mail.sendmail comes along with centos so tha u can tweak certain parameters in sendmail to get your things done for mailingg with squirrel mail. After you tested all of the above then setup iptables for security. I will suggest you to go thru the below links for basic linux configuration. http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/ Regards lingu subramanian On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Harry Sukumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All!!! I was wondering if you can help me little bit…. I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through) Firewall Apache Squirrel mail DNS DHCP I am not sure where to start with this project Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!! -- Many Thanks Harry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
Harry Sukumar wrote: I was wondering if you can help me little bit I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it's a very remote school and they don't have enough funds to go commercial The school has only till grade 6 They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world Currently what's in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured If you have one machine that could reasonably act as a server, you could load k12ltsp (a CentOS based distribution that adds the ability to network-boot thin clients and some educational programs) on it and be done. In any case you might find the information here useful: http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page along with their mail list. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:03:50 +1000 Harry Sukumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure where to start with this project Could you possibly be a bit more vague with regard to your requirements? What tasks, exactly, do you wish to accomplish? Since you mention Apache and Squirrelmail, I assume you want to set up a web server and email server. For what purpose? Internal use only? Public access? Do you really need a webserver to accomplish your purpose, or is Apache just a handy buzzword that you've heard about in the past? If, for example, the school has only dial-up Internet access, or if they pay by the megabyte for data transfer, then you might want to restrict external traffic in some way and setting up a public webserver isn't the way. Is the webserver for student projects? Of what nature? Teacher use? Online test administration? Student records? Posting report cards or attendance records? Something else completely? What else do you want to do? What are the specifications of the 25 computers that you have to do this job with? If they are low-powered machines, you may want to look at ltsp -- there is even a special for schools version of ltsp called k12-ltsp that may meet your needs right out-of-the-box. Are all of these computers intended to go into one or two rooms, i.e. a computer lab? Or is it one or two per classroom? What are the teachers going to do with the computers once they are in place? Is someone available to show them how to use them? (Don't just tell the teachers here's a computer, have a nice day.) Please try to provide more specific information about your exact requirements, what you wish to accomplish, what tasks are going to be automated, and what hardware and connectivity you have available. Have you thought about the actual hardware outside of the computers themselves? Do you have routers and ethernet switches available? Can you get them if you require them? What about wiring between classrooms or desks? Can you run your own ethernet cable? Do you know where to get some connectors and a roll or two or three of cat 5? Got a crimper? Know where to buy or borrow one? That should give you some things to consider and look into -- it's the product of two minutes of thought on my part and I'm sure you can come up with a lot more than this if you give it some consideration of your own. Simply stated, don't start a journey until you know what your destination is. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
