Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-04 Thread Fred Smith 
On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 02:26:59PM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 11/03/2017 12:09 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 06:48:11AM -0700, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> >> On 11/02/2017 03:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>  Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> > Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
> >
> >> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
> >> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
> >> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
> >> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
> >> starting point).
> >
> > On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> > GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> > uses the battery more efficiently, however.
> >
>  The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
>  I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
>  and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
>  KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
>  traveling, for mail and browsing.
> 
>  What *are* you going to be doing with it?
> >>>
> >>> mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
> >>> have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
> >>> build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
> >>> with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
> >>> many of those "other" things are taken care of there.
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-3000/spd/inspiron-11-3162-laptop
> >>
> >> I use that when i want to travel light .. with an SSD and 8gb of RAM (it
> >> says 4gb max, 8gb will work), I get good performance and I can do
> >> anything I need while traveling.  Everything works with CentOS Linux 7
> >> (wifi, graphics, volume buttons, touchpad, etc)
> >  
> > Johnny:
> > how hard is it to replace RAM or SSD? and battery, too, when that time
> > comes. 'cause I'd want to do like you and definitely upgrade it right
> > away, cause that 2gig RAM and abysmal 32G storage is pathetic.
> > 
> > and I'm going to guess that 1.6 Ghz processor is similar to the 1.6b Ghz
> > Atom I now have, but hopefully less canine-like.
> > 
> > I'd be interested in the 14 inch model except it has the same wimpy specs.
> > so, again how much hassle  (and cost) is involved in upgrading like you did?
> > 
> > thanks again!
> 
> OH .. mine the Insprion 11 that is a generation older than that and does
> not have an eMMC
> 
> The memory and hard drive were easy to replace .. BUT .. that one might
> not be.
> 
> I have not had to replace the battery.
> 
> This is the one I have:
> https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2468360,00.asp
> 

Ah, they've wimped out on the system specs since then. the one they
are selling now has only 2G RAM and 32G storage.

Actually, I'm interested in the cheaper 15 inch model which not only
has 4 G RAM and 500G HD, but a built-in DVD drive! that's surprising,
even the $1500 laptops these days don't come with an optical drive.
I'd quibble with the display resolution, 15" is big enough for higher
resolution. but it's certainly better than my 10" netbook in that
regard.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-03 Thread Johnny Hughes 
On 11/03/2017 12:09 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 06:48:11AM -0700, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 11/02/2017 03:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
>> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
>> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
>> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
>> starting point).
>
> On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> uses the battery more efficiently, however.
>
 The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
 I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
 and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
 KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
 traveling, for mail and browsing.

 What *are* you going to be doing with it?
>>>
>>> mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
>>> have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
>>> build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
>>> with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
>>> many of those "other" things are taken care of there.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-3000/spd/inspiron-11-3162-laptop
>>
>> I use that when i want to travel light .. with an SSD and 8gb of RAM (it
>> says 4gb max, 8gb will work), I get good performance and I can do
>> anything I need while traveling.  Everything works with CentOS Linux 7
>> (wifi, graphics, volume buttons, touchpad, etc)
>  
> Johnny:
> how hard is it to replace RAM or SSD? and battery, too, when that time
> comes. 'cause I'd want to do like you and definitely upgrade it right
> away, cause that 2gig RAM and abysmal 32G storage is pathetic.
> 
> and I'm going to guess that 1.6 Ghz processor is similar to the 1.6b Ghz
> Atom I now have, but hopefully less canine-like.
> 
> I'd be interested in the 14 inch model except it has the same wimpy specs.
> so, again how much hassle  (and cost) is involved in upgrading like you did?
> 
> thanks again!

OH .. mine the Insprion 11 that is a generation older than that and does
not have an eMMC

The memory and hard drive were easy to replace .. BUT .. that one might
not be.

I have not had to replace the battery.

This is the one I have:
https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2468360,00.asp



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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-03 Thread Fred Smith 
On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 06:48:11AM -0700, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 11/02/2017 03:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> >>> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
> >>>
>  Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
>  your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
>  to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
>  pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
>  starting point).
> >>>
> >>> On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> >>> GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> >>> uses the battery more efficiently, however.
> >>>
> >> The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
> >> I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
> >> and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
> >> KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
> >> traveling, for mail and browsing.
> >>
> >> What *are* you going to be doing with it?
> > 
> > mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
> > have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
> > build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
> > with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
> > many of those "other" things are taken care of there.
> > 
> > Fred
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-3000/spd/inspiron-11-3162-laptop
> 
> I use that when i want to travel light .. with an SSD and 8gb of RAM (it
> says 4gb max, 8gb will work), I get good performance and I can do
> anything I need while traveling.  Everything works with CentOS Linux 7
> (wifi, graphics, volume buttons, touchpad, etc)
 
Johnny:
how hard is it to replace RAM or SSD? and battery, too, when that time
comes. 'cause I'd want to do like you and definitely upgrade it right
away, cause that 2gig RAM and abysmal 32G storage is pathetic.

and I'm going to guess that 1.6 Ghz processor is similar to the 1.6b Ghz
Atom I now have, but hopefully less canine-like.

I'd be interested in the 14 inch model except it has the same wimpy specs.
so, again how much hassle  (and cost) is involved in upgrading like you did?

thanks again!


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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-03 Thread Valeri Galtsev 

On Fri, November 3, 2017 8:48 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 11/02/2017 03:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
 Valeri Galtsev  wrote:

> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
> starting point).

 On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
 GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
 uses the battery more efficiently, however.

>>> The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I
>>> mentioned,
>>> I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on
>>> it,
>>> and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
>>> KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it
>>> while
>>> traveling, for mail and browsing.
>>>
>>> What *are* you going to be doing with it?
>>
>> mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
>> have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
>> build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
>> with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
>> many of those "other" things are taken care of there.

To add to that: with Dell always watch which WiFi you are ordering, avoid
by all means "dell" WiFi which as such does not exist, it is just
re-branded as dell anything, so you actually don't know what chipset you
get until the machine is in your hands. Luckily Dell got better, and you
can choose Intel WiFi, and that is virtually guaranteed to work with any
modern Linux kernel (FreeBSD may be a bit behind, they probably still
haven't added to wireless stack what is necessary for _the_latest_ Intel
WiFi).

Just my $0.02

Valeri

>>
>> Fred
>>
>
>
>
> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-3000/spd/inspiron-11-3162-laptop
>
> I use that when i want to travel light .. with an SSD and 8gb of RAM (it
> says 4gb max, 8gb will work), I get good performance and I can do
> anything I need while traveling.  Everything works with CentOS Linux 7
> (wifi, graphics, volume buttons, touchpad, etc)
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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-03 Thread Johnny Hughes 
On 11/02/2017 03:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>>> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>>>
 Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
 your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
 to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
 pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
 starting point).
>>>
>>> On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
>>> GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
>>> uses the battery more efficiently, however.
>>>
>> The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
>> I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
>> and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
>> KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
>> traveling, for mail and browsing.
>>
>> What *are* you going to be doing with it?
> 
> mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
> have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
> build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
> with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
> many of those "other" things are taken care of there.
> 
> Fred
> 



http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-3000/spd/inspiron-11-3162-laptop

I use that when i want to travel light .. with an SSD and 8gb of RAM (it
says 4gb max, 8gb will work), I get good performance and I can do
anything I need while traveling.  Everything works with CentOS Linux 7
(wifi, graphics, volume buttons, touchpad, etc)



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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Fred Smith 
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 06:34:06PM -0700, Alice Wonder wrote:
> On 11/02/2017 10:41 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> >I'm looking to replace my (old, creaky) netbook (Acer Aspire One D255e,
> >a screaming dual core 1.6 GHz Atom, and a whole 2 gigs of RAM) with
> >something faster but not too large. Sometimes (usually) the netbook is
> >painfully slow.
> >
> >Something like a  hi-res 14 (or 15) inch screen (full HD), minimum of 4 gigs
> >RAM, HD of a half terabyte or bigger.
> >
> >I'd like to not have to go over 600-700 dollars, so I know my choices
> >are somewhat limited if I want to avoid the 400-500 dollar windows 10
> >junk^H^H^H^Hsystems from BJs, etc.
> >
> >Something with a quad-core processor, and all hardware works with C7.
> >
> >I've glanced at Lenovo Thinkpads on amazon where there are several
> >"factory refurbished" ones with similar specs to what I mention above
> >in the $500-700 range, but I don't know if they're any good or not
> >
> >I'm open to suggestions from any/all of you!
> >
> >thanks in advance!
> >
> >Fred
> >
> 
> CentOS works well on T-Series thinkpads but be careful of the video,
> some use an nvidia card which at least historically had issues in
> Linux that caused the battery to run down faster and caused the
> laptop to run hot.
> 
> T series thinkpads use Intel wifi that "just works" with CentOS - at
> least in my limited experience. Many laptops require 3rd party
> drivers with proprietary firmware to get the wifi working, which can
> be a pain in the neck when point release update happens (e.g. 7.3 to
> 7.4) because you then have to rebuild the RPM in the new point
> release or the driver won't work, and often that means downloading a
> new nosrc.rpm - which may not immediately be available.
> 
> Somewhere there's a list of wifi hardware that works out of the box
> with the Linux kernel, whatever brand you buy I would recommend the
> wifi device is on that list.

thanks, Alice, I'll keep your advice in mind.

Fred

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Alice Wonder 

On 11/02/2017 10:41 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

I'm looking to replace my (old, creaky) netbook (Acer Aspire One D255e,
a screaming dual core 1.6 GHz Atom, and a whole 2 gigs of RAM) with
something faster but not too large. Sometimes (usually) the netbook is
painfully slow.

Something like a  hi-res 14 (or 15) inch screen (full HD), minimum of 4 gigs
RAM, HD of a half terabyte or bigger.

I'd like to not have to go over 600-700 dollars, so I know my choices
are somewhat limited if I want to avoid the 400-500 dollar windows 10
junk^H^H^H^Hsystems from BJs, etc.

Something with a quad-core processor, and all hardware works with C7.

I've glanced at Lenovo Thinkpads on amazon where there are several
"factory refurbished" ones with similar specs to what I mention above
in the $500-700 range, but I don't know if they're any good or not

I'm open to suggestions from any/all of you!

thanks in advance!

Fred



CentOS works well on T-Series thinkpads but be careful of the video, 
some use an nvidia card which at least historically had issues in Linux 
that caused the battery to run down faster and caused the laptop to run hot.


T series thinkpads use Intel wifi that "just works" with CentOS - at 
least in my limited experience. Many laptops require 3rd party drivers 
with proprietary firmware to get the wifi working, which can be a pain 
in the neck when point release update happens (e.g. 7.3 to 7.4) because 
you then have to rebuild the RPM in the new point release or the driver 
won't work, and often that means downloading a new nosrc.rpm - which may 
not immediately be available.


Somewhere there's a list of wifi hardware that works out of the box with 
the Linux kernel, whatever brand you buy I would recommend the wifi 
device is on that list.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Fred Smith 
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 09:16:48PM -0400, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> On Thursday 02 November 2017, Fred Smith  
> wrote:
> 
> > mostly portable email and browsing.
> 
> For that, almost anything will do, of course.

only if it actually works for Linux/C7.

My netbook used to be good for that too, but it is now so slow
I can hardly stand it, so I'm looking for a step up.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Yves Bellefeuille 
On Thursday 02 November 2017, Fred Smith  
wrote:

> mostly portable email and browsing.

For that, almost anything will do, of course.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Fred Smith 
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 02:09:04PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> > Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
> >
> >> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
> >> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
> >> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
> >> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
> >> starting point).
> >
> > On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> > GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> > uses the battery more efficiently, however.
> >
> The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
> I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
> and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
> KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
> traveling, for mail and browsing.
> 
> What *are* you going to be doing with it?

mostly portable email and browsing. if it is good enough it'll probably
have dev tools on it too for the uncommon occasions when I need to
build something. If it is good enough I may find other thiings to do
with it, but I have a reasonably powerful desktop also running C7, so
many of those "other" things are taken care of there.

Fred

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread m . roth 
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>
> On Thu, November 2, 2017 2:41 pm, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>>
>>>  And you are talking about 8 years old system on what would be called
>>>  decent hardware about the same 8 years back, right?
>>
>> The hardware is 6 years old and, at the time, Tech Report called it
>> "the best netbook we've ever tested". So it was quite good (for a
>> netbook) at the time.
>>
>> Everything depends on the OP's intended use, of course. I just wanted
>> to disagree that you need better hardware for Linux than for Windows,
>> or at least for CentOS 6 than Windows 7.
>
> No I never intended to say you need better hardware for Linux than for
> Windows. It is opposite in my opinion, but both these systems pace at
> similar curve with their demands. To the contrary to Windows and Linux,
> FreeBSD has much slower increase in demands, namely, when Linux and
> Windows go up about hardware specs about exponentially, FreeBSD goes much
> closer to linear. And therefore, I would predict that the laptop with the
> specs of OP will nicely run FreeBSD in 7 years, whereas it will feel slow,
> obsolete etc in about 3 (maybe 4) years if one runs latest Linux or MS
> Windows on it then.
>
> I hope, this time I finally managed to make myself clear ;-)
>
> Valeri
> [The guy who runs hardware for 7-9 years, sometimes longer]

Wimp. We just surplssed, earlier this year, our old supercomputer, an SGI
Altrix 3000 circa 2003. (To be fair, it was only fired up a few
times a year, so that one software maintainer could build for
collaborators around the wolrd with old hardware.)

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Valeri Galtsev 

On Thu, November 2, 2017 2:41 pm, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>>  And you are talking about 8 years old system on what would be called
>>  decent hardware about the same 8 years back, right?
>
> The hardware is 6 years old and, at the time, Tech Report called it
> "the best netbook we've ever tested". So it was quite good (for a
> netbook) at the time.
>
> Everything depends on the OP's intended use, of course. I just wanted
> to disagree that you need better hardware for Linux than for Windows,
> or at least for CentOS 6 than Windows 7.

No I never intended to say you need better hardware for Linux than for
Windows. It is opposite in my opinion, but both these systems pace at
similar curve with their demands. To the contrary to Windows and Linux,
FreeBSD has much slower increase in demands, namely, when Linux and
Windows go up about hardware specs about exponentially, FreeBSD goes much
closer to linear. And therefore, I would predict that the laptop with the
specs of OP will nicely run FreeBSD in 7 years, whereas it will feel slow,
obsolete etc in about 3 (maybe 4) years if one runs latest Linux or MS
Windows on it then.

I hope, this time I finally managed to make myself clear ;-)

Valeri
[The guy who runs hardware for 7-9 years, sometimes longer]

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Leroy Tennison 
And I agree too, running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS on an HP Pavilion dv7 is acceptable, 
running Windows 7 was dog slow - hard drive crashed and we lost the Windoze 
license, sad story, all I could do was install Linux and go on instead of 
dual-booting when I needed Windoze - such a shame :-) :-) :-)

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Subject: Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

Valeri Galtsev <galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:

>  And you are talking about 8 years old system on what would be called
>  decent hardware about the same 8 years back, right?

The hardware is 6 years old and, at the time, Tech Report called it
"the best netbook we've ever tested". So it was quite good (for a
netbook) at the time.

Everything depends on the OP's intended use, of course. I just wanted
to disagree that you need better hardware for Linux than for Windows,
or at least for CentOS 6 than Windows 7.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Yves Bellefeuille 
Valeri Galtsev  wrote:

>  And you are talking about 8 years old system on what would be called
>  decent hardware about the same 8 years back, right?

The hardware is 6 years old and, at the time, Tech Report called it
"the best netbook we've ever tested". So it was quite good (for a
netbook) at the time.

Everything depends on the OP's intended use, of course. I just wanted
to disagree that you need better hardware for Linux than for Windows,
or at least for CentOS 6 than Windows 7.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Valeri Galtsev 

On Thu, November 2, 2017 1:03 pm, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
>> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
>> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
>> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
>> starting point).
>
> On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> uses the battery more efficiently, however.

And you are talking about 8 years old system on what would be called
decent hardware about the same 8 years back, right?

Valeri

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread m . roth 
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
>> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
>> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
>> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
>> starting point).
>
> On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
> GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
> uses the battery more efficiently, however.
>
The reql question is what the o/p wants the system *for*. As I mentioned,
I have my '09 HP Netbook (1101?), and I just loaded CentOS 6 i386 on it,
and it runs acceptably. Now, once I switch the WM from *bleah* Gnome to
KDE, or maybe something lighter, I'll be fine... but I only use it while
traveling, for mail and browsing.

What *are* you going to be doing with it?

   mark

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Yves Bellefeuille 
Valeri Galtsev  wrote:

> Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be
> your pain anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend
> to use Linux on it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources
> pretty much exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower
> starting point).

On my Acer Aspire One 522 (two-core AMD C-50 1.0 GHz processor with 2
GB of RAM), CentOS 6 is noticeably smoother than Windows 7. Windows
uses the battery more efficiently, however.

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Re: [CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Valeri Galtsev 

On Thu, November 2, 2017 12:41 pm, Fred Smith wrote:
> I'm looking to replace my (old, creaky) netbook (Acer Aspire One D255e,
> a screaming dual core 1.6 GHz Atom, and a whole 2 gigs of RAM) with
> something faster but not too large. Sometimes (usually) the netbook is
> painfully slow.
>
> Something like a  hi-res 14 (or 15) inch screen (full HD), minimum of 4
> gigs
> RAM, HD of a half terabyte or bigger.

Not intending to contradict (if that ends up as pain, it will be your pain
anyway ;-) but I would go higher with specs if you intend to use Linux on
it. Linux tends to grow its demands for resources pretty much
exponentially (same as Windows does, only from lower starting point). It
is so during last decade and a half. Consistently. If you decide to run
FreeBSD on the laptop, then these specs will be OK (in my estimate) for
some 5-7 years, as FreeBSD's demands to hardware grow much slower, not
quite linear but close to it than to exponent or even power law.

>
> I'd like to not have to go over 600-700 dollars, so I know my choices
> are somewhat limited if I want to avoid the 400-500 dollar windows 10
> junk^H^H^H^Hsystems from BJs, etc.
>
> Something with a quad-core processor, and all hardware works with C7.
>
> I've glanced at Lenovo Thinkpads on amazon where there are several
> "factory refurbished" ones with similar specs to what I mention above
> in the $500-700 range, but I don't know if they're any good or not

"Factory refurbished" is always big red flag for me (Lenovo is another big
red flag - I mentioned elsewhere why). This basically means that this
particular model is poorly designed (and/or manufactured), so it comes
with defects or fails withing short period of time so customers are so
outraged that they return it, or Lenovo prefers to get them "luckier" new
sample of the same, and buff-up and sale the bad one as refurbished, with
lower expectations of whoever buys it.

Anyway, your reasoning will be of more value for you, as it will be your
money that will be affected.

Good luck!

Valeri

>
> I'm open to suggestions from any/all of you!
>
> thanks in advance!
>
> Fred
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[CentOS] modestly priced laptop for C7

2017-11-02 Thread Fred Smith 
I'm looking to replace my (old, creaky) netbook (Acer Aspire One D255e,
a screaming dual core 1.6 GHz Atom, and a whole 2 gigs of RAM) with
something faster but not too large. Sometimes (usually) the netbook is
painfully slow.

Something like a  hi-res 14 (or 15) inch screen (full HD), minimum of 4 gigs
RAM, HD of a half terabyte or bigger.

I'd like to not have to go over 600-700 dollars, so I know my choices
are somewhat limited if I want to avoid the 400-500 dollar windows 10
junk^H^H^H^Hsystems from BJs, etc.

Something with a quad-core processor, and all hardware works with C7.

I've glanced at Lenovo Thinkpads on amazon where there are several
"factory refurbished" ones with similar specs to what I mention above
in the $500-700 range, but I don't know if they're any good or not

I'm open to suggestions from any/all of you!

thanks in advance!

Fred

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