Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Mathieu Baudier
 'yum update' runs into the following error message.

 Package libuser-devel-0.54.7-2.1.el5_5.2.i386.rpm is not signed

 I got this too, there's two ways around it:

 1) Wait until the package is signed and then update.

 2) Run: yum update --nogpgcheck

Other workarounds for this particular issue have just been suggested here:
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110547.html
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110551.html
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/21/2011 01:04 AM, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
 'yum update' runs into the following error message.

 Package libuser-devel-0.54.7-2.1.el5_5.2.i386.rpm is not signed

 I got this too, there's two ways around it:

 1) Wait until the package is signed and then update.

 2) Run: yum update --nogpgcheck
 
 Other workarounds for this particular issue have just been suggested here:
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110547.html
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110551.html


This issue has been taken care of on all the CentOS mirrors about 10
hours ago.



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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/21/2011 09:26 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
 Other workarounds for this particular issue have just been suggested here:
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110547.html
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110551.html

I find it strange that people are making such recommendations. A non 
verifyable signature is a MASSIVE deal. Working 'around' that is to stop 
doing what you are doing, and not do any package centric operation till 
the issue is fixed and resolved in an acceptable manner.

- KB
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/21/2011 12:49 AM, Ben McGinnes wrote:
 2) Run: yum update --nogpgcheck

please dont do that :(

- KB
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote:

 On 04/21/2011 09:26 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
 Other workarounds for this particular issue have just been suggested here:
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110547.html
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110551.html

 I find it strange that people are making such recommendations. A non
 verifyable signature is a MASSIVE deal. Working 'around' that is to stop
 doing what you are doing, and not do any package centric operation till
 the issue is fixed and resolved in an acceptable manner.

It's all too often the advice you'll see.  On Spacewalk, the standard response
to dealing with unsigned (or signed with an unimported key) is to disable all
gpg checks.  It's cringeworthy, and wrong on so many levels.

jh
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Mathieu Baudier
 Other workarounds for this particular issue have just been suggested here:
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110547.html
 http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-April/110551.html

 I find it strange that people are making such recommendations. A non
 verifyable signature is a MASSIVE deal. Working 'around' that is to stop
 doing what you are doing, and not do any package centric operation till
 the issue is fixed and resolved in an acceptable manner.

Sorry, but not everybody is on production machines.

Since the OP could not analyze himself the error message, one could
safely assume he is not dealing with critical production environments.
Maybe he was just told: install quickly this CentOS in VirtualBox,
just to make sure our app is compatible, and in that case the sooner
the better.

My advice and those of others where underlying the security risk.
The one of Akemi seems pretty safe (not installing the update).

To put it shortly: Freedom, as in free software, is about doing
whatever you want.

This being say, I do agree that having a non signed package is a MASSIVE deal.
Do we have more details about what's going on here?
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011, Mathieu Baudier wrote:

 Sorry, but not everybody is on production machines.

 Since the OP could not analyze himself the error message, one could
 safely assume he is not dealing with critical production environments.
 Maybe he was just told: install quickly this CentOS in VirtualBox,
 just to make sure our app is compatible, and in that case the sooner
 the better.

 My advice and those of others where underlying the security risk.
 The one of Akemi seems pretty safe (not installing the update).

 To put it shortly: Freedom, as in free software, is about doing
 whatever you want.

Not updating is entirely sensible and sounds like the best default position.
Installing a package you'd expect to be signed when it isn't signed should
ring alarm bells.

Freedom includes being free to make poor decisions.

jh
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 04/21/2011 12:26 PM, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
 Sorry, but not everybody is on production machines.

Security and integrity of an install is not optional, wherever you might 
be. Imho anyway.

 Maybe he was just told: install quickly this CentOS in VirtualBox,
 just to make sure our app is compatible, and in that case the sooner
 the better.

 My advice and those of others where underlying the security risk.
 The one of Akemi seems pretty safe (not installing the update).

If there is reason to suspect a mirror or installation is compromised, 
one should - again imho - not be doing any operations against that.

 To put it shortly: Freedom, as in free software, is about doing
 whatever you want.

thats true, but there is also a sense of responsibility that comes with 
that advice that is handed out and who / where its being handed out. One 
could potentially assume that the people on this list would know what 
they are talking about and would only advice based on whats considered 
best practices. The fact that the OP didnt know what was going on would 
be a good sign to assume that he was looking for people who did know 
what was going on eg. Telling people to jump off a cliff, just because 
you can isnt nice. Freedom or otherwise.

 This being say, I do agree that having a non signed package is a MASSIVE deal.
 Do we have more details about what's going on here?

yes, a package was released, unsigned, and has been fixed. ( and 4 more 
tests added to the release process to make sure that this does not 
happen again; or atleast reduce the chance of this going out ).

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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote:

 yes, a package was released, unsigned, and has been fixed. ( and 4 more
 tests added to the release process to make sure that this does not
 happen again; or atleast reduce the chance of this going out ).

And if people stick with the sane practice of only trusting signed packages,
this is quickly caught and the only cost is a short delay while updated
packages are pushed out.

If people think that disabling gpg checking is a good idea, you risk this
finding its way into their yum.conf.  That's exactly what you've seen amongst
some spacewalk users.

jh
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Mathieu Baudier
 Not updating is entirely sensible and sounds like the best default position.
 Installing a package you'd expect to be signed when it isn't signed should
 ring alarm bells.

I agree that my first answer was probably wrong, even with all
disclaimers and warnings.

I thought of a technical way (--nogpgcheck) to solve the issue,
whereas the right answer was definitely procedural (as you point out,
not updating, what I would have done on my own systems).

I apologize, but I did my best...

 Freedom includes being free to make poor decisions.

I fully agree with you.
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/21/2011 08:34 AM, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
 Not updating is entirely sensible and sounds like the best default position.
 Installing a package you'd expect to be signed when it isn't signed should
 ring alarm bells.
 
 I agree that my first answer was probably wrong, even with all
 disclaimers and warnings.
 
 I thought of a technical way (--nogpgcheck) to solve the issue,
 whereas the right answer was definitely procedural (as you point out,
 not updating, what I would have done on my own systems).
 
 I apologize, but I did my best...
 
 Freedom includes being free to make poor decisions.
 
 I fully agree with you.

Maybe this would work out:

yum --nogpgcheck update libuser-devel

then you can update everything else later with gpg on.

Although, like I said, this particular issue has now been corrected.



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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread m . roth
Johnny Hughes wrote:
 On 04/21/2011 08:34 AM, Mathieu Baudier wrote:
 Not updating is entirely sensible and sounds like the best default
 position.
 Installing a package you'd expect to be signed when it isn't signed
 should ring alarm bells.

 I agree that my first answer was probably wrong, even with all
 disclaimers and warnings.
snip
 Maybe this would work out:

 yum --nogpgcheck update libuser-devel

 then you can update everything else later with gpg on.

I *like* that answer. And command line only, so the next time you go to
yum update, it'll get the fixed package.

 Although, like I said, this particular issue has now been corrected.

And *very* quickly.

  mark

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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-21 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday, April 21, 2011 07:56:27 AM John Hodrien wrote:
 If people think that disabling gpg checking is a good idea, you risk this
 finding its way into their yum.conf.  That's exactly what you've seen amongst
 some spacewalk users.

FWIW, there are some out there who don't even think unsigned packages are a 
problem.  As an extreme example of this, recently I saw on LinuxToday where 
there was a thread in an archlinux list about signed packages; most of the devs 
didn't consider them a priority.  At all.

One reason arch won't be in production here any time soon.

Unless you know exactly what you are doing and the full ramifications of doing 
it you should never disable gpgcheck, since mirrors can be hacked.
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[CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-20 Thread Olaf Mueller
Hello,

'yum update' runs into the following error message.

Package libuser-devel-0.54.7-2.1.el5_5.2.i386.rpm is not signed


regards
Olaf
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Re: [CentOS] rpm libuser-devel is not signed

2011-04-20 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 21/04/11 5:26 AM, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 Hello,
 
 'yum update' runs into the following error message.
 
 Package libuser-devel-0.54.7-2.1.el5_5.2.i386.rpm is not signed

I got this too, there's two ways around it:

1) Wait until the package is signed and then update.

2) Run: yum update --nogpgcheck


Regards,
Ben



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