Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Itamar Reis Peixoto]

who want's to help me to develop an Alternative to cPanel and package it
for Centos and Fedora

please contact me.

thank you.



On 12/23/2016 10:57 PM, FrancisM wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 at 17:59, Nux!  wrote:
>
>> If you want free/foss then Virtualmin.
>>
>>
>>
>> Very good panel, good support and they have been highly consistent over
>> the years and very receptive.
>>
>>
>>
>> CPanel has also improved massively in the last few years, well worth the
>> price.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>>
>>
>>
>> Nux!
>>
>> www.nux.ro
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>>> From: "FrancisM" 
>>> To: "CentOS mailing list" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2016 15:17:56
>>> Subject: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel
>>
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the 'cwp
>>> control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
>>> http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
>>> Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about or
>>> recommend.
>>> Thank you all.
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>> I have have tried the virtualmin and it seems its easy to undersdand and
>> easy to use it. And the other that catches my eyes is their cloudmin i have
>> not yet tried and looking forward to run some few test in it probobly after
>> holidays.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[FrancisM]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 at 17:59, Nux!  wrote:

> If you want free/foss then Virtualmin.
>
>
>
> Very good panel, good support and they have been highly consistent over
> the years and very receptive.
>
>
>
> CPanel has also improved massively in the last few years, well worth the
> price.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
>
>
> Nux!
>
> www.nux.ro
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> > From: "FrancisM" 
>
> > To: "CentOS mailing list" 
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2016 15:17:56
>
> > Subject: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel
>
>
>
> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the 'cwp
>
> > control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
>
> > http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
>
> >
>
> > Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about or
>
> > recommend.
>
> >
>
> > Thank you all.
>
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>
> I have have tried the virtualmin and it seems its easy to undersdand and
> easy to use it. And the other that catches my eyes is their cloudmin i have
> not yet tried and looking forward to run some few test in it probobly after
> holidays.


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Nux!]

If you want free/foss then Virtualmin. 

Very good panel, good support and they have been highly consistent over the 
years and very receptive.

CPanel has also improved massively in the last few years, well worth the price.

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- Original Message -
> From: "FrancisM" 
> To: "CentOS mailing list" 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2016 15:17:56
> Subject: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

> Dear All,
> 
> Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the 'cwp
> control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
> http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
> 
> Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about or
> recommend.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Dave Stevens]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 22:16:15 +0100
Dario Lesca  wrote:

> Il giorno gio, 15/12/2016 alle 15.17 +, FrancisM ha scritto:
> > Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow  
> 
> ISPconfig is open source and work well.
> 
> http://www.ispconfig.org/documentation/
> 

as is virtualmin - virtualmin.com

d


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 15/12/2016 alle 15.17 +, FrancisM ha scritto:
> Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow

ISPconfig is open source and work well.

http://www.ispconfig.org/documentation/

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Johnny Hughes]

On 12/15/2016 11:23 AM, Andrew Holway wrote:
> I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
> OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
> thing anymore.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew

You are talking about 2 different market segments.

End user single server setups need something making it easy for non-IT
and non 'server' savvy users to control their individually maintained
machines.  These users want and need some kind of control panel to
control their machine.  They need it regardless of how they are getting
their individual machines, and whether those are Bare Metal, Virtual
Machines, or even containers.  cPanel is (IMHO) the best thing for these
non computer savvy users.

The things you mention are indeed the way most organizations who have a
professional IT staff are moving.






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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[FrancisM]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 at 02:10, Dave Stevens  wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:23:31 +0100
>
> Andrew Holway  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
>
> > OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
>
> > thing anymore.
>
> >
>
> > Cheers,
>
> >
>
> > Andrew
>
>
>
> the people at virtualmin.com don't agree. Neither do I, I use it a lot
>
> and like it.
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
> >
>
> > On 15 December 2016 at 16:17, FrancisM 
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Dear All,
>
> > >
>
> > > Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the
>
> > > 'cwp control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
>
> > > http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
>
> > >
>
> > > Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about
>
> > > or recommend.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thank you all.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Dave Stevens]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:23:31 +0100
Andrew Holway  wrote:

> I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
> OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
> thing anymore.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew

the people at virtualmin.com don't agree. Neither do I, I use it a lot
and like it.

D

> 
> On 15 December 2016 at 16:17, FrancisM 
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the
> > 'cwp control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
> > http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
> >
> > Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about
> > or recommend.
> >
> > Thank you all.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 06:23:31PM +0100, Andrew Holway wrote:
> I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
> OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
> thing anymore.

For what it's worth, someone just mentioned this on the NYCBUG mailing list

http://ajenti.org/ 

No personal experience.


> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 15 December 2016 at 16:17, FrancisM  wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the 'cwp
> > control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Andrew Holway]

I think most of the market is moving towards AWS Elastic Beanstalk,
OpenShift and Docker. It seems control panels are not really much of a
thing anymore.

Cheers,

Andrew

On 15 December 2016 at 16:17, FrancisM  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Im looking for alternative for cPanel and somehow I read that the 'cwp
> control web panel' (http://centos-webpanel.com) and Sentora (
> http://www.sentora.ga) is the good alternative for cPanel.
>
> Is there someone using this application and what can you tell about or
> recommend.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Stephen Cox]

Also check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Atopian]

The bluequartz/blueonyx projects currently target CentOS as its
platform.  It is the based off the code used for the old Sun Cobalt
appliances.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:
 Hello all,



 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP of my
 own on a Debian box he colo’d running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I’m also just going to use
 the

 default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.

 Main requirements are fairly straightforward:

 1. able to add/manage domains, ssl cert management, manage DNS records
 2. able to manage email accounts and anti-spam settings
 3. able to add/manage mysql and pgsql (nice to have)
 4. user management - ftp/ssh accounts, password change, etc.
 5. nice to have: add a wordpress blog / xcart store to a site
 6. nice to have: users have own login to do some of the above for their
 domain only
 7. nice to have: integrated website stats (awstats or equiv)
 8. not optional - should have a focus on security

 Stuff like viewing logs, automated billing, hosting plans, managing backups,
 bandwidth monitoring, uploading web pages, managing server patches,
 adding new software, etc. I don't mind leaving off or doing myself.  Willing
 to

 pay a license, but not a huge budget.

 I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with this list
 for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
 ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
 through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
 expensive.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Arun Khan]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:

 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP of my
 own on a Debian box he colo’d running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I’m also just going to use
 the

Joining the discussion somewhat late.

I have not seen OPENLSM mentioned in any of the responses.

http://openlsm.sourceforge.net/features.php

It is on my back burner 2 do list so I have not had a chance to use
it and comment on it.

Take it for a spin and see if it meets your requirements.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Lanny Marcus]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:
 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP of my
 own on a Debian box he colo’d running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I’m also just going to use
 the
snip

Josh: I would suggest you create a thread like this, in one of the sub
forums, on WebHostingTalk.com

I realize that your friend does not want to spend the $ for cPanel,
which, BTW, has an excellent reputation for their Support. As an end
user of Shared Hosting, now using cPanel, after 10+ years on Ensim
Shared Servers, IMHO, cPanel is what your friend needs, to get more
customers. If your friend is going to provide free web hosting, that's
one thing, but if he is looking for clients who pay him, cPanel is the
most popular CP out there.  My interest is in the content of my web
sites, and  cPanel has things in it that I truly appreciate. GL
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Rudi Ahlers]

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Garry Dale garry.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Trutwin, Joshua wrote:
 Hello all,

 Hi, Josh. The CentOS lists are really not the appropriate place for this
 thread. No doubt there are many members of the CentOS community who can
 and will help. However, I'm quite certain that CentOS is wholly separate
 from the other, so threads on the CentOS lists should only pertain to
 CentOS. Perhaps those willing to assist you might contact you
 personally.  Just a friendly suggestion from a user.

 Regards.
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Garry, what the OP has asked has a lot todo with CentOS. He's looking
for a web based management tool-set to manage his CentOS server, by
the way.

As per your definition, the list should have been much much quieter
and stuff like Gnome, KDE, web cams, etc, etc, etc should then also be
removed from the list?



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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[John R Pierce]

On 02/24/11 12:42 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
 Garry, what the OP has asked has a lot todo with CentOS. He's looking
 for a web based management tool-set to manage his CentOS server, by
 the way.

 As per your definition, the list should have been much much quieter
 and stuff like Gnome, KDE, web cams, etc, etc, etc should then also be
 removed from the list?


yes, in fact.

this list is intended to be for things that are specific to CentOS and 
not generic to Linux, or even generic to RHEL.   Now, if webmin worked 
in RHEL5 but didn't work in CentOS, that could be a good on topic 
discussion.

My centos system runs apache and php and postgres, and on top of that 
I'm running drupal, and I'm having some problems with my theme template 
CSS.   hey, its on centos, shouldn't I discuss that here?  Most 
certainly NOT.




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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Lucian]

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
 On 02/24/11 12:42 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
 My centos system runs apache and php and postgres, and on top of that
 I'm running drupal, and I'm having some problems with my theme template
 CSS.   hey, its on centos, shouldn't I discuss that here?  Most
 certainly NOT.

John,

Agreed.
The problem is the community around Centos is quite large and we need
sometimes to ask for other's opinion regarding adjacent subjects. Who
else are we going to ask?
We need an offto...@centos.org list.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[William Warren]

On 2/23/2011 9:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote:


Hello all,

I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP 
of my
own on a Debian box he colo'd running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and 
custom
built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on 
and I

don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I'm also just going to 
use the


default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.

Main requirements are fairly straightforward:

1. able to add/manage domains, ssl cert management, manage DNS records
2. able to manage email accounts and anti-spam settings
3. able to add/manage mysql and pgsql (nice to have)
4. user management - ftp/ssh accounts, password change, etc.
5. nice to have: add a wordpress blog / xcart store to a site
6. nice to have: users have own login to do some of the above for 
their domain only

7. nice to have: integrated website stats (awstats or equiv)
8. not optional - should have a focus on security

Stuff like viewing logs, automated billing, hosting plans, managing 
backups,

bandwidth monitoring, uploading web pages, managing server patches,
adding new software, etc. I don't mind leaving off or doing myself.  
Willing to


pay a license, but not a huge budget.

I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with 
this list

for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
expensive.

Josh


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Juergen Gotteswinter]

Am 24.02.11 14:17, schrieb William Warren:
 On 2/23/2011 9:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote:

 Hello all,

 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP
 of my
 own on a Debian box he colo'd running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and
 custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on
 and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I'm also just going to
 use the

 default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.

 Main requirements are fairly straightforward:

 1. able to add/manage domains, ssl cert management, manage DNS records
 2. able to manage email accounts and anti-spam settings
 3. able to add/manage mysql and pgsql (nice to have)
 4. user management - ftp/ssh accounts, password change, etc.
 5. nice to have: add a wordpress blog / xcart store to a site
 6. nice to have: users have own login to do some of the above for
 their domain only
 7. nice to have: integrated website stats (awstats or equiv)
 8. not optional - should have a focus on security

 Stuff like viewing logs, automated billing, hosting plans, managing
 backups,
 bandwidth monitoring, uploading web pages, managing server patches,
 adding new software, etc. I don't mind leaving off or doing myself. 
 Willing to

 pay a license, but not a huge budget.

 I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with
 this list
 for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
 ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
 through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
 expensive.

 Josh


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Les Mikesell]

On 2/24/11 2:42 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:

 Garry, what the OP has asked has a lot todo with CentOS. He's looking
 for a web based management tool-set to manage his CentOS server, by
 the way.

If you just want to manage 'a server' through a web interface, you might like 
ClearOS, which is mostly Centos components under the covers.  But I don't think 
it handles virtual servers underneath it.  Webmin is OK for what it does and 
can 
keep you from making some stupid typos in the config files, but you still have 
to understand what each program and all of its options do.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Lucian]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:

 I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with this list
 for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
 ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
 through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
 expensive.

+1 for Virtualmin.
People will brag that it's insecure etc, but it has always done the
job for me and I have more than 100 installations of it. I never had
security problems because of it.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[David Sommerseth]

On 23/02/11 16:24, Lucian wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:
 +1 for Virtualmin.
 People will brag that it's insecure etc, but it has always done the
 job for me and I have more than 100 installations of it. I never had
 security problems because of it.

That one user with more than 100 installations haven't experienced security
issues with a product doesn't mean that there is no security issues.

It can just as much mean nobody tried to hack any of those installations,
or that they have tried but not succeeded yet, or that there are no
security issues ... but to distinguish this, then you need to have more
solid arguments than I haven't experienced it ... because you might not
have experienced it _yet_.


kind regards,

David Sommerseth

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Rudi Ahlers]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:
 Hello all,



 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP of my
 own on a Debian box he colo’d running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I’m also just going to use
 the

 default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.

 Main requirements are fairly straightforward:

 1. able to add/manage domains, ssl cert management, manage DNS records
 2. able to manage email accounts and anti-spam settings
 3. able to add/manage mysql and pgsql (nice to have)
 4. user management - ftp/ssh accounts, password change, etc.
 5. nice to have: add a wordpress blog / xcart store to a site
 6. nice to have: users have own login to do some of the above for their
 domain only
 7. nice to have: integrated website stats (awstats or equiv)
 8. not optional - should have a focus on security

 Stuff like viewing logs, automated billing, hosting plans, managing backups,
 bandwidth monitoring, uploading web pages, managing server patches,
 adding new software, etc. I don't mind leaving off or doing myself.  Willing
 to

 pay a license, but not a huge budget.

 I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with this list
 for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
 ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
 through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
 expensive.

 Josh

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How many domains do you need to manage that cPanel is too expensive?

Have you looked at the free alternatives, like:
ehcp
Webmin + Virtualmin
vhcs
ISPConfig
etc?

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Andy Hull]

On 11-02-23 09:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote:


Hello all,

I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP 
of my
own on a Debian box he colo'd running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and 
custom
built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on 
and I

don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I'm also just going to 
use the


default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.



I recently ran across DTC (gplhost.com). It seems to have all the major 
bells and whistles, but I have not made it far enough down the Back 
Burner Todo List to actually check it out myself yet.


Originally, I heard about it on FLOSS Weekly on the Twit Network: 
http://twit.tv/floss144


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[John Hinton]

On 2/23/2011 9:49 AM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote:


I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with 
this list

for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
expensive.

Josh



Josh,

I have been running webmin/virtualmin/usermin for a number of years. A 
few things factored into my decision. The main one was I didn't want to 
be stuck inside of a 'box'. So far, 'almost anything' you want to do via 
command line has no interference with what is done via the interface. 
Also, within most of the modules, is the ability to simply open the 
config files for the service and do direct edits. The Webmin project is 
very active. If you have a problem or perceived bug, and no one else 
gets around to answering, you will normally hear back from Jamie Cameron 
the man behind it all, within hours of making a post. That is very rare 
these days. Basically, I find the system very flexible and highly 
configurable. In fact, there are several of my ideas for the system that 
have been put into place. In fact one, years ago, was to get the CentOS 
OS recognized within the system and it was done and of course still does.


The downside is that the interfaces are a bit geeky. One thing I would 
like to see is a total rewrite of all the module interfaces in Usermin 
in an attempt to better define things for the layman. Yes, the end user 
can do things that you allow. No, most end users won't really understand 
what they're trying to do. I think those 'boxes' in Plesk and cPanel 
better address those items due to the nature of 'boxes'. When I say 
'boxes', I'm referring to the Windows world config boxes that pop up 
forcing you down a particular road with no method for customizations.


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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Lucian]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM, David Sommerseth
d...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
 That one user with more than 100 installations haven't experienced security
 issues with a product doesn't mean that there is no security issues.

I absolutely agree. Didn't want to imply Webmin is unhackable; it's
just not that bad as some people say it is.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Lucian]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:47 PM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
The Webmin project is very active. If you have
 a problem or perceived bug, and no one else gets around to answering, you
 will normally hear back from Jamie Cameron the man behind it all, within
 hours of making a post. That is very rare these days.

Yup, their support is awesome, at least this was my experience.
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Trutwin, Joshua]

 +1 for Virtualmin.
 People will brag that it's insecure etc, but it has always done the job for me
 and I have more than 100 installations of it. I never had security problems
 because of it.

Thanks for all the posts.

Curious about the people will brag that it's insecure - is there a poor track 
record of security problems with webmin?

I noticed these: 

http://www.webmin.com/security.html 
http://tensixtyone.com/perma/woes-of-webmin
http://doxfer.webmin.com/Webmin/SecuringWebmin

I certainly don't plan to allow access to webmin save for a couple selected 
IP's and I'm not surprised to see any web application have security 
vulnerabilities.  But if it's on par with something like phpbb as far as 
security problems go, I'll probably look elsewhere. 

Josh
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[John Hinton]

On 2/23/2011 12:18 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:

 That one user with more than 100 installations haven't experienced security
 issues with a product doesn't mean that there is no security issues.

 It can just as much mean nobody tried to hack any of those installations,
 or that they have tried but not succeeded yet, or that there are no
 security issues ... but to distinguish this, then you need to have more
 solid arguments than I haven't experienced it ... because you might not
 have experienced it _yet_.


 kind regards,

 David Sommerseth

You are right David. The more you run on a server, the more you are 
vulnerable. That said, every control panel I have read about also has a 
history of security issues. So does just about every other 'server' 
application at one time or another. Each time this discussion comes up, 
security is mentioned. I don't want to start something here... I run 
some sendmail servers and some postfix servers. I find it odd that folks 
talk about the long history of security issues with sendmail. Well, 
sendmail has a long history. Postfix does not. Both seem to address 
any issues rapidly and that is what matters. Both seem to be very robust.

There is another real world side to this. There is always some 
percentage of a chance that you will be taken down due to a security 
issue. There is always a percentage of a chance that you will be taken 
down by a system admin that lacks experience in some area. I would say 
system admins break things far more often than the outside world. And, 
in the real world of hosting, we are constantly 'pressed' for a 'Control 
Panel'. Clients simply expect it these days. I would dare say that those 
'percentages' of uptime are greater with a control panel and an average 
admin, and any security issues that come with that, vs. no control panel 
and maybe a really dumb thing being done by someone. Heck, I'm generally 
my own worst enemy on my systems. Not that the outside world hasn't done 
some things to me over the years.

Still a good point David. Adding anything like this does provide other 
ways in. I can say that having been on the Webmin list for about 7 or 8 
years, very rarely has there been something critical to address. Most 
have been compatibility issues with various OSs.

John Hinton
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[John Hinton]

On 2/23/2011 2:04 PM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote:
 +1 for Virtualmin.
 People will brag that it's insecure etc, but it has always done the job for 
 me
 and I have more than 100 installations of it. I never had security problems
 because of it.
 Thanks for all the posts.

 Curious about the people will brag that it's insecure - is there a poor 
 track record of security problems with webmin?

 I noticed these:

 http://www.webmin.com/security.html
 http://tensixtyone.com/perma/woes-of-webmin
 http://doxfer.webmin.com/Webmin/SecuringWebmin

 I certainly don't plan to allow access to webmin save for a couple selected 
 IP's and I'm not surprised to see any web application have security 
 vulnerabilities.  But if it's on par with something like phpbb as far as 
 security problems go, I'll probably look elsewhere.
No where close! And I know that from a few phpbb installs being hacked 
on some of my webmin servers. LOL!!!

John Hinton
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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Trutwin, Joshua]

  I certainly don't plan to allow access to webmin save for a couple selected
  IP's and I'm not surprised to see any web application have security
  vulnerabilities.  But if it's on par with something like phpbb as far as 
  security
  problems go, I'll probably look elsewhere.

 No where close! And I know that from a few phpbb installs being hacked on
 some of my webmin servers. LOL!!!

Haha same (pristing phpbb, latest source, hacked in weeks).  I don't even know 
what to compare to phpbb - phpnuke maybe?  I won't even bother mentioning a 
certain DNS server as it's already being discussed ad nauseum.  :)

Anyway - OT now.  Appreciate the feedback on the thread, I have some research 
to do...

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[yonatan pingle]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:
 Hello all,



 I'm looking to setup a new CentOS box for a buddy of mine who
 wants to do hosting on a server via CoLo, Years ago I whipped up a CP of my
 own on a Debian box he colo’d running a basterdized qmail/tinydns and custom
 built httpd/mysql/etc (I was young).  It worked ok but time to move on and I
 don't have time to maintain all those packages.  I also don't have
 time to write another CP or port my PoS to it.  I’m also just going to use
 the

 default  packages (bind, postfix, etc) instead of the DJB stuff.

 Main requirements are fairly straightforward:

 1. able to add/manage domains, ssl cert management, manage DNS records
 2. able to manage email accounts and anti-spam settings
 3. able to add/manage mysql and pgsql (nice to have)
 4. user management - ftp/ssh accounts, password change, etc.
 5. nice to have: add a wordpress blog / xcart store to a site
 6. nice to have: users have own login to do some of the above for their
 domain only
 7. nice to have: integrated website stats (awstats or equiv)
 8. not optional - should have a focus on security

 Stuff like viewing logs, automated billing, hosting plans, managing backups,
 bandwidth monitoring, uploading web pages, managing server patches,
 adding new software, etc. I don't mind leaving off or doing myself.  Willing
 to

 pay a license, but not a huge budget.

 I was leaning towards webmin/virtualmin but thought I'd check with this list
 for any suggestions.  Had bad experiences with Plesk from a while
 ago so leaving that off the table.  We have experience with cPanel
 through another fail host, it's ok but too much stuff and too
 expensive.

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Hey there,
some are run with ispconfig some with cPanel , some use DirectAdmin
control panel ,
DirectAdmin which proven itself to be a reliable hosting panel layman
friendly , would be my suggestion.
if you are talking about hosting your own stuff, it won't be needed
,but when it comes to providing third party access to the account,
cPanel or DirectAdmin are the best choice.




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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Ross Walker]

On Feb 23, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Trutwin, Joshua jtrut...@csbsju.edu wrote:

 +1 for Virtualmin.
 People will brag that it's insecure etc, but it has always done the job for 
 me
 and I have more than 100 installations of it. I never had security problems
 because of it.
 
 Thanks for all the posts.
 
 Curious about the people will brag that it's insecure - is there a poor 
 track record of security problems with webmin?
 
 I noticed these: 
 
 http://www.webmin.com/security.html 
 http://tensixtyone.com/perma/woes-of-webmin
 http://doxfer.webmin.com/Webmin/SecuringWebmin
 
 I certainly don't plan to allow access to webmin save for a couple selected 
 IP's and I'm not surprised to see any web application have security 
 vulnerabilities.  But if it's on par with something like phpbb as far as 
 security problems go, I'll probably look elsewhere. 

One nice thing, depending on how you look at it, about webmin is it's in Perl 
so it's easy to customize and audit (if you have enough time).

You could conceivably strip it down to the bare essentials needed and audit it 
line by line to give you some comfort level. Then run it with selinux enabled 
and everything properly labeled so if someone does break it they can't get too 
far.

Just make sure for Internet facing services it isn't setup to allow access to 
essential system configs, where even selinux wouldn't help you.

-Ross

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Re: [CentOS] Alternative to cPanel

[Garry Dale]

Trutwin, Joshua wrote:
 Hello all,

Hi, Josh. The CentOS lists are really not the appropriate place for this 
thread. No doubt there are many members of the CentOS community who can 
and will help. However, I'm quite certain that CentOS is wholly separate 
from the other, so threads on the CentOS lists should only pertain to 
CentOS. Perhaps those willing to assist you might contact you 
personally.  Just a friendly suggestion from a user.

Regards.
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