Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-13 Thread Michael Lampe
Michael Lampe wrote:

 In other words: my BIOS is broken. But it's broken for all Lenovo
 Notebooks. So ...

It seems mine is particularly broken: The BIOS isn't even lying, it 
realy disables ASPM!

That at least is my conclusion after looking at this

   https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Kernel/PowerManagementASPM

and a closer inspection of 'lspci -vvv'.

The backported patch may be correct after all.

It may be a candiate for centosplus kernel.

If someone else wants to test: I can upload a kernel with this patch 
applied.

-Michael
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-12 Thread Patrick Lists
On 12-02-12 23:57, Michael Lampe wrote:
 After going from CentOS 5.7 to 6.2, a lot of things turned out to be
 much better, but there are also quite some regressions. The most obvious
 one is power consumption on my notebook. It was notably lower before.

 The ASPM issue introduced in 2.6.38 was widely reported and discussed,
 and the 6.2 kernel has exacatly this code as a backport.

 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f671e2dbff6eb5ef4e2600adbec550c13b8fe72


 So I started to experiment with the upstream patch:

 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c076351c4027a56d5005a39a0b518a4ba393ce2;hp=69166fbf02c7a21745013f2de037bf7af26e4279


 To make it apply, one needs to change 'pci_is_pcie(pdev)' into
 'pdev-is_pcie'. One also needs to fiddle a little with the first chunk.

 I came up with the patch attached, but unfortunately the new kernel
 showed no improvement. Most probably I got something wrong.

 Anyone else here who tried this or is interested in sorting this out?

Iirc to enable ASPM on Fedora the kernel must be booted with 
pcie_aspm=force. Maybe you need to use that option too? For more info 
see: 
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_aspm_solutionnum=1

Regards,
Patrick
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Lampe
Patrick Lists wrote:

 Iirc to enable ASPM on Fedora the kernel must be booted with
 pcie_aspm=force. Maybe you need to use that option too? For more info
 see:
 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_aspm_solutionnum=1

That's no general solution. It may work, but (e.g.) it doesn't work for 
me on my Thinkpad X301. There are side-effects.

The idea of the upstream patch is to mimic Windows:

  With 3.2.5 ASPM disabled means: When the ACPI says ASPM is
  disabled Linux will leave it alone, which is what Windows is
  doing. The assumption is that explicitly disabling ASPM is more
  problematic than doing nothing.

(Copied somewhere from LKML.)

In other words: my BIOS is broken. But it's broken for all Lenovo 
Notebooks. So ...


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Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-12 Thread Rob Kampen
On 02/13/2012 12:39 PM, Michael Lampe wrote:
 Patrick Lists wrote:

 Iirc to enable ASPM on Fedora the kernel must be booted with
 pcie_aspm=force. Maybe you need to use that option too? For more info
 see:
 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_aspm_solutionnum=1
 That's no general solution. It may work, but (e.g.) it doesn't work for
 me on my Thinkpad X301. There are side-effects.

 The idea of the upstream patch is to mimic Windows:

 With 3.2.5 ASPM disabled means: When the ACPI says ASPM is
 disabled Linux will leave it alone, which is what Windows is
 doing. The assumption is that explicitly disabling ASPM is more
 problematic than doing nothing.

 (Copied somewhere from LKML.)

 In other words: my BIOS is broken. But it's broken for all Lenovo
 Notebooks. So ...

So for those of us that do not understand the intricacies of ASPM / BIOS 
/ ACPI, how do we ensure we are getting the best (least) power consumption?
I have a new ASUS G73S with i7 8 core processor - running CentOS 6.2 and 
loving it - no idea if this has or does not have ASPM support.
What do I need to do to test / check?
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Lampe
Rob Kampen wrote:

 So for those of us that do not understand the intricacies of ASPM / BIOS
 / ACPI, how do we ensure we are getting the best (least) power consumption?

Hey! I was asking for people who can help me backport the upstream fix!

 I have a new ASUS G73S with i7 8 core processor - running CentOS 6.2 and
 loving it - no idea if this has or does not have ASPM support.
 What do I need to do to test / check?

(Nothing. You have a fine battery!)

- dmesg | grep -i aspm
- lspci -vvv | grep -i aspm
- ...
- google, phoronix, etc.
- ...
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Re: [CentOS] Anyone already tried to backport the latest ASPM kernel patch to 6.2?

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Lampe
Michael Lampe wrote:

 Iirc to enable ASPM on Fedora the kernel must be booted with
 pcie_aspm=force. Maybe you need to use that option too? For more info
 see:
 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_aspm_solutionnum=1

 That's no general solution. It may work, but (e.g.) it doesn't work for
 me on my Thinkpad X301. There are side-effects.

 The idea of the upstream patch is to mimic Windows:

 With 3.2.5 ASPM disabled means: When the ACPI says ASPM is
 disabled Linux will leave it alone, which is what Windows is
 doing. The assumption is that explicitly disabling ASPM is more
 problematic than doing nothing.

 (Copied somewhere from LKML.)

[addendum]

The point is: we are in a grey zone here. pcie_aspm=force is one 
extreme, the current default behaviour being the other one (explicit 
disabling!). The BIOS sets up something in-between and then says on 
inquiry: Never did I do anything! I'm not responsible!.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/2/7/273
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