Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 11:29, James Pearson 
wrote:

> Jonathan Billings wrote:
> >
> > Amazingly it appears that Red Hat has released another Firefox:
>
> Red Hat just follow the Mozilla ESR stream release cycle, which is
> currently ESR 78 with point releases come out every 4 weeks or so
>
> Each ESR stream is supported by Mozilla for about a year, with each major
> release based on the standard 'rapid release' version at the time - i.e.
> the previous ESR version was 68, based on the Firefox rapid release version
> 68 and the current ESR version is 78, based on the Firefox rapid release
> version 78. The ESR point releases coincide with the rapid release major
> releases, although the ESR point releases are just for security bug fixes
> (occasionally contains other non-security bug fixes), whereas the rapid
> release new major versions may have new features, security and bug fixes
> plus other enhancements added etc
>
> Therefore the ESR release is more stable over a longer period - and so
> best suited for 'Enterprise' use
>
> The current ESR version is 78.4.0 - with 78.5.0 coming in November and
> 78.6.0 in December - so I'm guessing Red Hat might release 78.5.0 before
> EL6 reaches EOL at the end of November ?
>
> I have no idea if the latest 78.4.0 release from Red Hat will fix the
> sound issues on EL6
>
>

OK I got a VM installed with EL6 and ran firefox --debug. The errors seem
to be

[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 7fffd72b46d0 OpenCubeb()
failed to init cubeb: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/AudioStream.cpp, line 331
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd72cb400
[OnMediaSinkAudioError]: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3891
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd72cb400
Decode error: NS_ERROR_DOM_MEDIA_MEDIASINK_ERR (0x806e000b) -
OnMediaSinkAudioError: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3470
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 7fffd72b4fc0 OpenCubeb()
failed to init cubeb: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/AudioStream.cpp, line 331
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd6edd400
[OnMediaSinkAudioError]: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3891
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd6edd400
Decode error: NS_ERROR_DOM_MEDIA_MEDIASINK_ERR (0x806e000b) -
OnMediaSinkAudioError: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3470
[Thread 0x7fffcdcf5700 (LWP 3638) exited]
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 7fffd72b5160 OpenCubeb()
failed to init cubeb: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/AudioStream.cpp, line 331
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd6edd400
[OnMediaSinkAudioError]: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3891
[Child 3570, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7fffd6edd400
Decode error: NS_ERROR_DOM_MEDIA_MEDIASINK_ERR (0x806e000b) -
OnMediaSinkAudioError: file
/builddir/build/BUILD/firefox-78.3.0/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp,
line 3470

when I try to play sounds from https://hpr.dogphilosophy.net/test/

I am doing this in my spare time outside of moving and some other items..
so I am not sure 'how fast' I can get to this. [My current guess is that
the Firefox requirement for pulseaudio in 78+ is looking for a different
version ABI that EL6 supports.]





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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[James Pearson]

Jonathan Billings wrote:
>
> Amazingly it appears that Red Hat has released another Firefox:

Red Hat just follow the Mozilla ESR stream release cycle, which is currently 
ESR 78 with point releases come out every 4 weeks or so

Each ESR stream is supported by Mozilla for about a year, with each major 
release based on the standard 'rapid release' version at the time - i.e. the 
previous ESR version was 68, based on the Firefox rapid release version 68 and 
the current ESR version is 78, based on the Firefox rapid release version 78. 
The ESR point releases coincide with the rapid release major releases, although 
the ESR point releases are just for security bug fixes (occasionally contains 
other non-security bug fixes), whereas the rapid release new major versions may 
have new features, security and bug fixes plus other enhancements added etc

Therefore the ESR release is more stable over a longer period - and so best 
suited for 'Enterprise' use

The current ESR version is 78.4.0 - with 78.5.0 coming in November and 78.6.0 
in December - so I'm guessing Red Hat might release 78.5.0 before EL6 reaches 
EOL at the end of November ?

I have no idea if the latest 78.4.0 release from Red Hat will fix the sound 
issues on EL6

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:21:10PM +0100, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
>
> Am 26.10.20 um 12:45 schrieb Jonathan Billings:
> > On Oct 23, 2020, at 14:45, Leon Fauster via CentOS 
> > wrote:
> > > Mozilla released version 68.12.0, on August 25, 2020 ->
> > > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/68.12.0/releasenotes/
> > > 
> > > RH has an ELS phase - if it gets fixed then only for paying customers.
> > 
> > Amazingly it appears that Red Hat has released another Firefox:
> > 
> > https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:4330
> > 
> > 
> 
> and - sound issues fixed?

I don't know.  The changelog doesn't indicate anything about sound
issues, just security fixes.  Its unlikely that anything but security
fixes are being tracked anymore.  I don't have any CentOS6 systems
left to test it on.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 26.10.20 um 12:45 schrieb Jonathan Billings:
On Oct 23, 2020, at 14:45, Leon Fauster via CentOS  
wrote:

Mozilla released version 68.12.0, on August 25, 2020 ->
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/68.12.0/releasenotes/

RH has an ELS phase - if it gets fixed then only for paying customers.


Amazingly it appears that Red Hat has released another Firefox:

https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:4330 





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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Oct 23, 2020, at 14:45, Leon Fauster via CentOS  wrote:
> Mozilla released version 68.12.0, on August 25, 2020 ->
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/68.12.0/releasenotes/
> 
> RH has an ELS phase - if it gets fixed then only for paying customers.

Amazingly it appears that Red Hat has released another Firefox:

https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:4330

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 23.10.20 um 11:18 schrieb James Pearson:

Peter wrote:


What confuses me here is why would Red Hat rebase a package so close to
EOL.  Now that they have they're stuck with either leaving a severly
broken firefox or providing a fix less than 6 weeks before EOL.  I
honestly don't know which way they'll go here but it just seems to me
like it was a very poor decision to rebase firefox in RHEL6 so close to
EOL to begin with.


I'm guessing that as Firefox ESR 68 is now a year 'out-of-date' (and no longer 
supported by Mozilla), that they wanted to provide a more up to date version 
for those that want to continue using EL6 after its EOL ?



Mozilla released version 68.12.0, on August 25, 2020 ->
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/68.12.0/releasenotes/

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 05:19, James Pearson 
wrote:

> Peter wrote:
> >
> > What confuses me here is why would Red Hat rebase a package so close to
> > EOL.  Now that they have they're stuck with either leaving a severly
> > broken firefox or providing a fix less than 6 weeks before EOL.  I
> > honestly don't know which way they'll go here but it just seems to me
> > like it was a very poor decision to rebase firefox in RHEL6 so close to
> > EOL to begin with.
>
> I'm guessing that as Firefox ESR 68 is now a year 'out-of-date' (and no
> longer supported by Mozilla), that they wanted to provide a more up to date
> version for those that want to continue using EL6 after its EOL ?
>
> Just a thought, has anyone checked that the Redhat RHEL 6 build of ESR 78
> works or or not? i.e. could it be an issue just with the CentOS build ?
>
>
Someone reported up thread that the RHEL-6 version of ESR78 does not have
working sound either. The main issue is that it is hard to debug this just
from emails. I would need to get a RHEL-6 system with ESR68 running from
command line with debug turned on and look to see what it is talking to on
sound. I would then need to do the same with ESR78 to see what it tries to
talk to. My guesses is that the API/ABI that the application ESR78 expects
the kernel/glibc/etc sound system that GNOME/KDE/kernel etc moved to in the
3.x services and the older 2.6 was deprecated and removed. This would then
take someone going through the code changes between 68 and 78 to see what
and why it was removed and if it is possible to put back in.


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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[James Pearson]

Peter wrote:
>
> What confuses me here is why would Red Hat rebase a package so close to
> EOL.  Now that they have they're stuck with either leaving a severly
> broken firefox or providing a fix less than 6 weeks before EOL.  I
> honestly don't know which way they'll go here but it just seems to me
> like it was a very poor decision to rebase firefox in RHEL6 so close to
> EOL to begin with.

I'm guessing that as Firefox ESR 68 is now a year 'out-of-date' (and no longer 
supported by Mozilla), that they wanted to provide a more up to date version 
for those that want to continue using EL6 after its EOL ?

Just a thought, has anyone checked that the Redhat RHEL 6 build of ESR 78 works 
or or not? i.e. could it be an issue just with the CentOS build ?

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Peter]

On 22/10/20 10:25 am, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

Basically that says that upstream no longer thinks that Firefox is runnable
on RHEL-6/CentOS-6 anymore. I think there was a similar problem at the end
of EL-5 when a 'YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE' fix from Mozilla was released and
while a lot of work was done by Red Hat to get it to work on RHEL-5, some
items (and I really think it was sound and plugins) did not work. At the
tail end of a release, most 'desktop' concerns are very hard to figure out
as 10 year old software API's are rarely kept working by the various
'upstreams'.

I want to be clear that I do understand this is causing major issues for
users. I think a lesson learned from EL-5 and EL-6 is that EL releases need
to be clearer on the difference between desktops and servers. There seems
to be a point where desktop utilities fixes are mainly going to be
'reasonable effort' versus 'guaranteed' to be 100%... usually in the last 6
months of a release. That way users can plan better that a certain amount
of work is going to be needed by them to continue it working.


What confuses me here is why would Red Hat rebase a package so close to 
EOL.  Now that they have they're stuck with either leaving a severly 
broken firefox or providing a fix less than 6 weeks before EOL.  I 
honestly don't know which way they'll go here but it just seems to me 
like it was a very poor decision to rebase firefox in RHEL6 so close to 
EOL to begin with.



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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Yves Bellefeuille]

On Wednesday 21 October 2020, Stephen John Smoogen  
wrote:

> > [yves@home firefox]$ ./firefox
> > ./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found
> > (required by ./firefox)
> > ./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found
> > (required by ./firefox)
> >
> > CentOS 6 only goes up to glibc 2.12.
> 
> Basically that says that upstream no longer thinks that Firefox is
> runnable on RHEL-6/CentOS-6 anymore. 

That message was from Firefox 78.4 ESR downloaded from Mozilla. 
Obviously Red Hat does think that it's possible to run Firefox 78.3 ESR 
on RHEL 6, because they shipped it. They just didn't get the sound 
working properly.

But end of life is in 6 weeks, so perhaps nobody will bother fixing the 
problem.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Styma, Robert (Nokia - US/Phoenix)]

>
> Basically that says that upstream no longer thinks that Firefox is runnable
> on RHEL-6/CentOS-6 anymore. I think there was a similar problem at the end
> of EL-5 when a 'YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE' fix from Mozilla was released and
> while a lot of work was done by Red Hat to get it to work on RHEL-5, some
> items (and I really think it was sound and plugins) did not work. At the
> tail end of a release, most 'desktop' concerns are very hard to figure out
> as 10 year old software API's are rarely kept working by the various
> 'upstreams'.

> I want to be clear that I do understand this is causing major issues for
> users. I think a lesson learned from EL-5 and EL-6 is that EL releases need
> to be clearer on the difference between desktops and servers. There seems
> to be a point where desktop utilities fixes are mainly going to be
> 'reasonable effort' versus 'guaranteed' to be 100%... usually in the last 6
> months of a release. That way users can plan better that a certain amount
> of work is going to be needed by them to continue it working.

Upgrades for users would be a lot easier if the "upgrade" option on the install 
was more of an upgrade.   I have seen the arguments on how Ubuntu upgrades 
leave unneeded packages littering the machine.  However, at a minimum I would 
think an upgrade should keep /etc/hosts, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, the list if repos in use.   This would at least 
put the machine in a usable state from the get go.  Saving a list of the 
applications which would not be reloaded as part of the upgrade would also be 
useful.  It would at least make it possible to get a running start at 
rebuilding the users environment.   My issues come from the conversion of 
CentOS 4 and 5 to 6.   Maybe it is all better going to CentOS 8 (wishful 
thinking?)


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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 14:03, Yves Bellefeuille  wrote:

> Leon Fauster via CentOS  wrote:
>
> >  ... or a general problem. Does some one tried the version from
> >  mozilla?
> >
> >  https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-esr
> >
> >  Can't test it - I don't run EL6 workstations anymore ...
>
> [yves@home firefox]$ ./firefox
> ./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found (required
> by ./firefox)
> ./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required
> by ./firefox)
>
> CentOS 6 only goes up to glibc 2.12.
>
>
Basically that says that upstream no longer thinks that Firefox is runnable
on RHEL-6/CentOS-6 anymore. I think there was a similar problem at the end
of EL-5 when a 'YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE' fix from Mozilla was released and
while a lot of work was done by Red Hat to get it to work on RHEL-5, some
items (and I really think it was sound and plugins) did not work. At the
tail end of a release, most 'desktop' concerns are very hard to figure out
as 10 year old software API's are rarely kept working by the various
'upstreams'.

I want to be clear that I do understand this is causing major issues for
users. I think a lesson learned from EL-5 and EL-6 is that EL releases need
to be clearer on the difference between desktops and servers. There seems
to be a point where desktop utilities fixes are mainly going to be
'reasonable effort' versus 'guaranteed' to be 100%... usually in the last 6
months of a release. That way users can plan better that a certain amount
of work is going to be needed by them to continue it working.



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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Yves Bellefeuille]

Leon Fauster via CentOS  wrote:

>  ... or a general problem. Does some one tried the version from
>  mozilla?
>
>  https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-esr
>
>  Can't test it - I don't run EL6 workstations anymore ...

[yves@home firefox]$ ./firefox
./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found (required
by ./firefox)
./firefox: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required
by ./firefox)

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 10/20/20 3:32 PM, Robert Nichols wrote:
> On 10/20/20 2:45 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:59 -0400 CentOS mailing list
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>>>
   I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
   systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
   Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.
>>>
>>> It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
>>> also HTML 5.
>>>
>>> To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
>>> Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.
>>
>> Also, it is specific to FF 78.  FF 68 and eveythhing else in CentOS 6
>> that
>> uses audio, works just fine.  This suggests it is possibly a FF 78
>> problem.
>> Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8?  Does anyone know?
> 
> FF 78 seems to work OK here in a CentOS 8 VM.
> FF 78 is apparently not offered to CentOS 7. Failed in testing, perhaps??
> Latest firefox version for CentOS 7 is 68.0.12.0-1.
> 
It will be in 7.9.2009 as an update.  Should be in CR sometime within a
week.  It is in git.centos.org now:

https://git.centos.org/rpms/firefox/commits/c7

I released the CR up to 7.9.2009 GA for x86_64, aarch64, ppc64le yesterday:

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-cr-announce/2020-October/thread.html

Status of 7.9.2009:
https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_7

TL;DR
Keep an eye on the CR Announce list for firefox 78 in el7 .. and keep an
eye on the Building_7 for 7.9,.2009 status.  Probably 14 or so days
(estimate) to a full release.




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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 21.10.20 um 01:00 schrieb Robert Heller:

At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:07:27 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:



On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Heller wrote:


Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8?


firefox-78.2.0-2.el8_2.x86_64

Working fine for me here on several computers.


OK, so it is a FF78 / RHel 6 (implies CentOS 6) specific problem.



... or a general problem. Does some one tried the version from mozilla?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-esr

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Yves Bellefeuille]

Robert Heller  wrote:

>  OK, so it is a FF78 / RHel 6 (implies CentOS 6) specific problem.

I've reported it to Red Hat as bug 1889920:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1889920

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

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At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:07:27 -0600 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
> Robert Heller wrote:
> 
> > Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8? 
> 
> firefox-78.2.0-2.el8_2.x86_64
> 
> Working fine for me here on several computers.

OK, so it is a FF78 / RHel 6 (implies CentOS 6) specific problem.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Nichols]

On 10/20/20 2:45 PM, Robert Heller wrote:

At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:59 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:



Jonathan Billings  wrote:


  I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
  systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
  Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.


It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
also HTML 5.

To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.


Also, it is specific to FF 78.  FF 68 and eveythhing else in CentOS 6 that
uses audio, works just fine.  This suggests it is possibly a FF 78 problem.
Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8?  Does anyone know?


FF 78 seems to work OK here in a CentOS 8 VM.
FF 78 is apparently not offered to CentOS 7. Failed in testing, perhaps??
Latest firefox version for CentOS 7 is 68.0.12.0-1.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Heller wrote:

> Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8? 

firefox-78.2.0-2.el8_2.x86_64

Working fine for me here on several computers.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 10/20/20 2:04 PM, R C wrote:
> RHEL 6 has the same problem, also firefox 78 on a 64 bit machine.

And if this is the case, it should also be broken in CentOS until it is
fixed in RHEL source code.

> 
> 
> On 10/20/20 11:35 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>>
>>>   I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
>>>   systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
>>>   Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.
>> It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
>> also HTML 5.
>>
>> To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
>> Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.
>>



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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:59 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

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> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> 
> >  I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
> >  systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
> >  Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.
> 
> It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
> also HTML 5.
> 
> To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
> Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.

Also, it is specific to FF 78.  FF 68 and eveythhing else in CentOS 6 that 
uses audio, works just fine.  This suggests it is possibly a FF 78 problem.  
Does FF 78 sound work properly in CentOS 7 and 8?  Does anyone know?

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:59 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> 
> >  I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
> >  systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
> >  Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.
> 
> It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
> also HTML 5.
> 
> To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
> Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.

Or try to make a phone call with Google Hangouts or listen to a voicemail with 
Google Voice...

> 

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[R C]

RHEL 6 has the same problem, also firefox 78 on a 64 bit machine.


On 10/20/20 11:35 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:

Jonathan Billings  wrote:


  I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
  systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
  Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.

It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
also HTML 5.

To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.


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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Yves Bellefeuille]

Jonathan Billings  wrote:

>  I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
>  systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
>  Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.

It isn't just 32-bit, but also 64-bit, and it isn't just Flash, but
also HTML 5.

To notice the bug, all you have to do is try to watch any video at
Youtube or elsewhere, if the video has sound.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:56:38 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
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> Akemi Yagi  wrote:
> 
> >  This issue?
> >
> >  https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=17767
> 
> This is a huge bug! Using Firefox to watch videos is a basic activity.

Even worse is that it is a failure for Google Voice and Google Hangouts -- I
use these to implement my home phone at present. I cannot use my cell phone,
since I don't have cell service at my house and cannot afford to pay
$60+/month for a cruddy copper landline.

> 
> The bug with grub2 a few months ago was even more serious: it made
> systems unbootable. It's discomfiting to see two major bugs so close
> to each other.
> 

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 12:56:38PM -0400, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> Akemi Yagi  wrote:
> 
> >  This issue?
> >
> >  https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=17767
> 
> This is a huge bug! Using Firefox to watch videos is a basic activity.
> 
> The bug with grub2 a few months ago was even more serious: it made
> systems unbootable. It's discomfiting to see two major bugs so close
> to each other.

I'm less concerned with firefox being broken on 32-bit CentOS 6
systems when the platform is only going to live for another month.
Frankly, I'm glad to see flash die just a little earlier.

It's not really comparable to the terrible EFI/shim issue that
happened, which was terrible for servers and workstations that can't
be reached remotely because they're wedged in the boot, especially in
these times when a lot of people are WFH.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Yves Bellefeuille]

Akemi Yagi  wrote:

>  This issue?
>
>  https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=17767

This is a huge bug! Using Firefox to watch videos is a basic activity.

The bug with grub2 a few months ago was even more serious: it made
systems unbootable. It's discomfiting to see two major bugs so close
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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 10:26:50PM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:
> On 10/17/20 3:38 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78, and
> > FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?  
> > As
> > a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is 
> > otherwise
> > up-to-date.
> 
> I'm seeing the same problem (I'm not using any mic) on several CentOS 6 
> systems.
> I posted about it here back on Sept. 29.
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-September/351667.html
> 
> Downgrading, and excluding the 78.3.0-1 from yum is my workaround.

Well, the good news is you have over a month to migrate away from
CentOS 6, which goes end of life at the end of November, 2020.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Nichols]

On 10/17/20 3:38 PM, Robert Heller wrote:

I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78, and
FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?  As
a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is otherwise
up-to-date.


I'm seeing the same problem (I'm not using any mic) on several CentOS 6 systems.
I posted about it here back on Sept. 29.
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-September/351667.html

Downgrading, and excluding the 78.3.0-1 from yum is my workaround.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:08:49 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

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> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 3:38 PM Robert Heller  wrote:
> 
> > I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78,
> > and
> > FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?
> > As
> > a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is
> > otherwise
> > up-to-date.
> >
> 
> Are you sure it's not the auto mute feature they introduced?
> 
> https://www.engadget.com/2019-02-04-firefox-66-prevent-auto-playing-video-audio.html

Well, if it was introduced in Firefox 66, that means it is in Firefox 68, 
right?  But the audio works just fine in Firefox 68.  And why would the auto 
mute have any affect on the mic?

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:34:11 -0700 CentOS mailing list  
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> On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 1:38 PM Robert Heller  wrote:
> 
> > I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78,
> > and
> > FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?
> > As
> > a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is
> > otherwise
> > up-to-date.
> >
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> 
> This issue?
> 
> https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=17767

Yeah, it appears so.

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Akemi Yagi]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 1:38 PM Robert Heller  wrote:

> I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78,
> and
> FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?
> As
> a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is
> otherwise
> up-to-date.
>
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This issue?

https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=17767

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Re: [CentOS] Firefox 78 under CentOS 6 -- no sound?

[Jon Pruente]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 3:38 PM Robert Heller  wrote:

> I did a yum update on my CentOS 6 laptop and it upgraded Firefox to 78,
> and
> FF stopped seeing my mic and speakers.  Is there some magic I need to do?
> As
> a short term (?) fix, I downgraded back to Firefox 68.  My system is
> otherwise
> up-to-date.
>

Are you sure it's not the auto mute feature they introduced?

https://www.engadget.com/2019-02-04-firefox-66-prevent-auto-playing-video-audio.html
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