Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nux!
> Sent: den 7 april 2016 18:09
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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> Indeed, it's pretty new AFAIK and I am as surprised Openshot are using it,
> last time I checked - a few weeks back - there was no such option on their
> download page.
> 
> There was an interesting discussion about it on HN a while back
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11187198

Interesting and somewhat infected, it would seem...

As an enduser with Openshot in mind, I just want the app to work.

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Nux!]

Indeed, it's pretty new AFAIK and I am as surprised Openshot are using it, last 
time I checked - a few weeks back - there was no such option on their download 
page.

There was an interesting discussion about it on HN a while back
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11187198

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> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 7 April, 2016 15:27:55
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Lamar Owen
>> Sent: den 7 april 2016 16:21
>> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
>> 
>> It does take more disk space to do this.
>> 
>> And while I have always been a big fan of RPM and of always using the
>> repos for things, I have to say that there are many things RPM packages
>> do not do well for the most part.
> 
> Size is not too much of a problem in my book, as long as I don't have to
> spend hours on end to find out what repos have the proper dep's and doesn't
> mismatch with each other, in order to install the software I wanted in the
> first place.
> 
> An OT sidetrack; has this appimage-thing been going on for some time now?
> Openshot is the first software I've seen that is delivered this way.
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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Lamar Owen
> Sent: den 7 april 2016 16:21
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> It does take more disk space to do this.
> 
> And while I have always been a big fan of RPM and of always using the
> repos for things, I have to say that there are many things RPM packages
> do not do well for the most part.

Size is not too much of a problem in my book, as long as I don't have to
spend hours on end to find out what repos have the proper dep's and doesn't
mismatch with each other, in order to install the software I wanted in the
first place.

An OT sidetrack; has this appimage-thing been going on for some time now?
Openshot is the first software I've seen that is delivered this way.

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Lamar Owen]

On 04/07/2016 09:04 AM, Nux! wrote:

Well, by the looks of it, it bundles all the deps in one archive, so you no 
longer depend on system ones, but also you miss out on system updates.
I use a commercial professional multitrack audio mixing package called 
Mixbus (derived from Ardour, but with specialized DSP for the summing 
and for plugins; the portion derived from Ardour is open source, the DSP 
plugin code is closed source, and thanks to the plugin API is not a 
'derived work' since it would be usable from any plugin host.).  
This is the way Mixbus is bundled, with all deps prebuilt and stashed 
away in the proper /opt tree.


Now, as to 'updates' specifically, yes, this puts it on the developer of 
the package to make sure updates that are necessary are actually 
applied.  OpenSSL, for instance; although, I wouldn't think Openshot 
would use that one (Mixbus doesn't; in fact I'm not sure how it could be 
remotely exploited at all).  So for certain things the 'bundled app' 
makes sense; for a server process it would not.


Mixbus works very well on CentOS 7; I use it every week for longform 
broadcast production and mixdown, and just running the Harrison Consoles 
installer script 'Just Worked' as it was supposed to (if it doesn't the 
Mixbus devs get a message from me.).


Further, the official Ardour.org Ardour packages for Linux are similar 
bundles; at one time if you built it from source using the system 
libraries you were not guaranteed support or that it would even work.  
You run the installer script, and it just works on pretty much any 
modern Linux.  All files, libraries, etc for all dependencies are loaded 
into the appropriate /opt tree (example:

[lowen@localhost ~]$ ls -d /opt/M*
/opt/Mixbus-2.5_14392 /opt/Mixbus-3.1.66.uninstall.sh
/opt/Mixbus-2.5_14392.uninstall.sh  /opt/Mixbus-3.2.22
/opt/Mixbus-3.1.66 /opt/Mixbus-3.2.22.uninstall.sh
[lowen@localhost ~]$ du -h --max-depth=1 /opt/Mixbus-3.2.22
104M/opt/Mixbus-3.2.22/bin
212K/opt/Mixbus-3.2.22/etc
132M/opt/Mixbus-3.2.22/lib
17M/opt/Mixbus-3.2.22/share
252M/opt/Mixbus-3.2.22
[lowen@localhost ~]$
Note that multiple versions at a time are fully supported, and the 
uninstaller is ready (and able) to run at any time.  In fact, the 
installation script asks you one by one if you want to uninstall any of 
the prior versions.  As you can see, I currently have three versions 
installed side-by-side.  The installer script is in the open source 
portion of the program, available through the Ardour git.


It does take more disk space to do this.

And while I have always been a big fan of RPM and of always using the 
repos for things, I have to say that there are many things RPM packages 
do not do well for the most part.


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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

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> Behalf Of Nux!
> Sent: den 7 april 2016 15:04
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> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> Well, by the looks of it, it bundles all the deps in one archive, so you
no
> longer depend on system ones, but also you miss out on system updates.
> 
> As an example, should there be another openssl vulnerability, "yum update
> openssl" will not save you, you'll have to wait for the Openshot dev to
issue
> an updated appimage.

Let's hope the Openshot-devs are responsible ones!

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Nux!]

Well, by the looks of it, it bundles all the deps in one archive, so you no 
longer depend on system ones, but also you miss out on system updates.

As an example, should there be another openssl vulnerability, "yum update 
openssl" will not save you, you'll have to wait for the Openshot dev to issue 
an updated appimage.

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> From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 7 April, 2016 11:39:22
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nux!
>> Sent: den 7 april 2016 11:29
>> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
>> 
>> Very nice, it probably has to do with http://appimage.org/
>> So the appimage did not work on EL6?
>> 
>> Anyway, hope to see more apps like this. :-)
>> Big win for the users usability wise, not sure how security will be
> impacted.
>> 
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>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se>
>> > To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, 7 April, 2016 10:02:42
>> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
>> 
>> >> > >>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
>> >> > >>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to
>> > find the
>> >> > >> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So what's the easy way?
>> >> > > Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O
>> >
>> > Just a heads-up;
>> >
>> > I just installed CentOS 7 x64 on a test machine to try stuff out at
> work.
>> > Went to openshot.org to download Openshot, and noticed they now have
>> > appimages.
>> > Just chmod +x the appimage-file and run it.
>> >
>> > Worked like a charm on C7!
>> > It was really fast as well, compared to running the previous version on
>> > CentOS 6.
>> >
>> > I might have to upgrade to CentOS 7 at home too... 8-}
> 
> You tell me.
> In any case, I'm not that used to apps that "just work" while working with
> linux!
> 
> I too hope to see more of this, especially on those softwares with
> dependencies that are sometimes hard to fulfill.
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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nux!
> Sent: den 7 april 2016 11:29
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> Very nice, it probably has to do with http://appimage.org/
> So the appimage did not work on EL6?
> 
> Anyway, hope to see more apps like this. :-)
> Big win for the users usability wise, not sure how security will be
impacted.
> 
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> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se>
> > To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, 7 April, 2016 10:02:42
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> >> > >>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
> >> > >>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to
> > find the
> >> > >> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
> >> > >
> >> > > So what's the easy way?
> >> > > Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O
> >
> > Just a heads-up;
> >
> > I just installed CentOS 7 x64 on a test machine to try stuff out at
work.
> > Went to openshot.org to download Openshot, and noticed they now have
> > appimages.
> > Just chmod +x the appimage-file and run it.
> >
> > Worked like a charm on C7!
> > It was really fast as well, compared to running the previous version on
> > CentOS 6.
> >
> > I might have to upgrade to CentOS 7 at home too... 8-}

You tell me.
In any case, I'm not that used to apps that "just work" while working with
linux!

I too hope to see more of this, especially on those softwares with
dependencies that are sometimes hard to fulfill.

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Nux!]

Very nice, it probably has to do with http://appimage.org/
So the appimage did not work on EL6?

Anyway, hope to see more apps like this. :-)
Big win for the users usability wise, not sure how security will be impacted.

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> From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 7 April, 2016 10:02:42
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
>> Sent: den 14 mars 2016 07:31
>> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
>>
>> > >>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
>> > >>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to
> find the
>> > >> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
>> > >
>> > > So what's the easy way?
>> > > Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O
> 
> Just a heads-up;
> 
> I just installed CentOS 7 x64 on a test machine to try stuff out at work.
> Went to openshot.org to download Openshot, and noticed they now have
> appimages.
> Just chmod +x the appimage-file and run it.
> 
> Worked like a charm on C7!
> It was really fast as well, compared to running the previous version on
> CentOS 6.
> 
> I might have to upgrade to CentOS 7 at home too... 8-}
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
> Sent: den 14 mars 2016 07:31
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
>
> > >>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial 
> > >>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to
find the
> > >> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
> > >
> > > So what's the easy way?
> > > Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O

Just a heads-up;

I just installed CentOS 7 x64 on a test machine to try stuff out at work.
Went to openshot.org to download Openshot, and noticed they now have
appimages.
Just chmod +x the appimage-file and run it.

Worked like a charm on C7!
It was really fast as well, compared to running the previous version on
CentOS 6.

I might have to upgrade to CentOS 7 at home too... 8-}

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Beattie
> Sent: den 11 mars 2016 16:53
> To: 'CentOS mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> On 3/11/2016 2:02 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
> >>
> >> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to find
the
> >> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
> >
> > So what's the easy way?
> >
> > Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O
> 
> Maybe Fedora, maybe Ubuntu?  It's more time-consuming than hard to build
> a virtual machine these days, and it's not even that time-consuming.  Is
there
> a distro that already has what you want all packaged up?  Run it in a VM.
> Take a snapshot first if you want to try something potentially system-
> breaking or that's going to spew files everywhere.  On a single-user
machine,
> the performance should be within a few percent of running on the bare
> metal.  So, if you test drive some beta software and it doesn't perform
well
> on a VM, it's probably not going to be much better running on a same-spec
> physical machine.
> 
> NB: I administer several hundred virtual desktops, so I chugged rather
than
> sipped the virtualization Kool-Aid.  :-)

Performance was just what I had in mind.
Editing video is rather hard on both cpu, ram and hd-access.

Maybe I should give Openshot a try in a VM. Nothing like real hard facts.
8-)

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

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Ubuntu in a docker?

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> From: "Chris Beattie" <cbeat...@geninfo.com>
> To: "CentOS mailing list" <centos@centos.org>
> Sent: Friday, 11 March, 2016 15:53:29
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

> On 3/11/2016 2:02 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>>>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
>>>
>>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to find the
>>> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
>> 
>> So what's the easy way?
>> 
>> Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O
> 
> Maybe Fedora, maybe Ubuntu?  It's more time-consuming than hard to build a
> virtual machine these days, and it's not even that time-consuming.  Is there a
> distro that already has what you want all packaged up?  Run it in a VM.  Take 
> a
> snapshot first if you want to try something potentially system-breaking or
> that's going to spew files everywhere.  On a single-user machine, the
> performance should be within a few percent of running on the bare metal.  So,
> if you test drive some beta software and it doesn't perform well on a VM, it's
> probably not going to be much better running on a same-spec physical machine.
> 
> NB: I administer several hundred virtual desktops, so I chugged rather than
> sipped the virtualization Kool-Aid.  :-)
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Chris Beattie]

On 3/11/2016 2:02 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>>> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial
>>
>> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to find the
>> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them.
> 
> So what's the easy way?
> 
> Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O

Maybe Fedora, maybe Ubuntu?  It's more time-consuming than hard to build a 
virtual machine these days, and it's not even that time-consuming.  Is there a 
distro that already has what you want all packaged up?  Run it in a VM.  Take a 
snapshot first if you want to try something potentially system-breaking or 
that's going to spew files everywhere.  On a single-user machine, the 
performance should be within a few percent of running on the bare metal.  So, 
if you test drive some beta software and it doesn't perform well on a VM, it's 
probably not going to be much better running on a same-spec physical machine.

NB: I administer several hundred virtual desktops, so I chugged rather than 
sipped the virtualization Kool-Aid.  :-)

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Sorin Srbu]

> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Akemi Yagi
> Sent: den 10 mars 2016 20:27
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??
> 
> >
> > Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial as one
> > might wish. it requires PyQt5k, which isn't in centos repos, nor in
> > epel, nux, or elrepo. googling indicates it's hard to build on C7.
> >
> 
> It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to find the
> required packages in Fedora and rebuild them. At least that is what I'm
> planning to do...


So what's the easy way?

Switch to Ubuntu or something? 8-O

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Akemi Yagi]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Fred Smith 
wrote:

>
> Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial as one
> might wish. it requires PyQt5k, which isn't in centos repos, nor in
> epel, nux, or elrepo. googling indicates it's hard to build on C7.
>

It is not trivial at all. The best way to handle this will be to find the
required packages in Fedora and rebuild them. At least that is what I'm
planning to do...

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Fred Smith]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 01:52:43PM -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:27:07AM -0800, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Fred Smith 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm interested in trying out the new OpenShot beta (2.06) on CentOS 7.
> > > Openshot requires Python3.
> > >
> > > so I look at available packages where I find a bunchof python3 packages
> > > as well as python34 packages.
> > >
> > > I'm assuming that python34 is version 3.4 of python, while python3 is some
> > > other 3.x version.
> > >
> > > Can anyone here explain to me what are the differences, any compatibility
> > > across these versions, and how to tell which I need for OpenShot?
> > >
> > 
> > The dependencies section of OpenShot 2 beta README says:
> > 
> >  Python 3.0+
> > 
> > So, I would assume either one (python3 or python34) would work. But I have
> > not tried building it under EL7 myself (on my ToDo list though).
> > 
> > Akemi
> 
> thanks, Akemi!
> 
> Related question:
> there are only a relative few python34 packages listed in yum, and quite
> a few more python3 packages. I wonder if (some of??) those python3
> packages are compatible with python34? it would seem that unless that
> is the case, that python34 would be less useful due to lack of various
> features.

Looks like installing openshot 2.x on C7 isn't as trivial as one
might wish. it requires PyQt5k, which isn't in centos repos, nor in
epel, nux, or elrepo. googling indicates it's hard to build on C7.

:-(

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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Fred Smith]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:27:07AM -0800, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Fred Smith 
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm interested in trying out the new OpenShot beta (2.06) on CentOS 7.
> > Openshot requires Python3.
> >
> > so I look at available packages where I find a bunchof python3 packages
> > as well as python34 packages.
> >
> > I'm assuming that python34 is version 3.4 of python, while python3 is some
> > other 3.x version.
> >
> > Can anyone here explain to me what are the differences, any compatibility
> > across these versions, and how to tell which I need for OpenShot?
> >
> 
> The dependencies section of OpenShot 2 beta README says:
> 
>  Python 3.0+
> 
> So, I would assume either one (python3 or python34) would work. But I have
> not tried building it under EL7 myself (on my ToDo list though).
> 
> Akemi

thanks, Akemi!

Related question:
there are only a relative few python34 packages listed in yum, and quite
a few more python3 packages. I wonder if (some of??) those python3
packages are compatible with python34? it would seem that unless that
is the case, that python34 would be less useful due to lack of various
features.

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   Show me your ways, O LORD, teach me your paths;
 Guide me in your truth and teach me,
 for you are God my Savior,
And my hope is in you all day long.
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Re: [CentOS] Openshot 2.x (beta) on C7??

[Akemi Yagi]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Fred Smith 
wrote:

> I'm interested in trying out the new OpenShot beta (2.06) on CentOS 7.
> Openshot requires Python3.
>
> so I look at available packages where I find a bunchof python3 packages
> as well as python34 packages.
>
> I'm assuming that python34 is version 3.4 of python, while python3 is some
> other 3.x version.
>
> Can anyone here explain to me what are the differences, any compatibility
> across these versions, and how to tell which I need for OpenShot?
>

The dependencies section of OpenShot 2 beta README says:

 Python 3.0+

So, I would assume either one (python3 or python34) would work. But I have
not tried building it under EL7 myself (on my ToDo list though).

Akemi
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