Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-13 Thread John Doe
From: John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com

 But I'd really be happy to not see them recommended here unless the
 person making the recommendation takes ownership of all support issues
 that the user has from said recommendation.  That seems fair :)

Maybe the yum priorities plugin paragraph in the wiki page should appear in 
flashing bold...
I would even make its default installation mandatory...

JD
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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread Eric Viseur
Well, just like you could use any RHEL5 repo with CentOS 5, any RHEL6 should
be compatible with CentOS 6.  If you're looking for names, this can be
useful : http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

2011/7/12 Edson - PMSS edson.ama...@saosebastiao.sp.gov.br

 Which extra repositories can be used with CentOS 6?

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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Eric Viseur wrote:
 Well, just like you could use any RHEL5 repo with CentOS 5, any RHEL6 
 should be compatible with CentOS 6.  If you're looking for names, this 
 can be useful : http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

Beside those there should be these also:
virtualmin
pidgin
playonlinux
virtualbox

On their respective domains, but I am yet to install any C6 system in 
order to check it.

Ljubomir
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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:01:09PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 virtualmin

Perhaps we can avoid advocating repos that stomp all over base and
replace core components?




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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 09:09:36 AM John R. Dennison wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:01:09PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
  virtualmin
 
 Perhaps we can avoid advocating repos that stomp all over base and
 replace core components?

Perhaps they could be listed, with a note that says they do that?  

For example, a repo with an up to date KDE would have to do that, and I'm 
looking for that particular thing.  I'd prefer to have EL6 on one box, but KDE 
4.6 at least, and if that means a few other things have to get 'stomped on' 
then so be it. And, yeah, I'm probably capable of rolling that myself, if need 
be, for my own private use.

Even if that means a separate wiki page for 'repositories that stomp all over 
core deps.'  With a caveat that using these repos would mean potential lack of 
help in the main centos list/forum/IRC and that users of said repo would 
probably need to go to that repo's list/forum/IRC for any meaningful support.
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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:24:54AM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:
 
 Perhaps they could be listed, with a note that says they do that?  

They will still end up here and on IRC wondering why their system is
broken at some point.  The wiki is populated with repos that should be
flagged as This repo will cause tears of impotent rage or just
removed.  

 For example, a repo with an up to date KDE would have to do that, and
 I'm looking for that particular thing.  I'd prefer to have EL6 on one
 box, but KDE 4.6 at least, and if that means a few other things have
 to get 'stomped on' then so be it. And, yeah, I'm probably capable of
 rolling that myself, if need be, for my own private use.

You're capable of supporting your own boxes :)

 Even if that means a separate wiki page for 'repositories that stomp
 all over core deps.'  With a caveat that using these repos would mean
 potential lack of help in the main centos list/forum/IRC and that
 users of said repo would probably need to go to that repo's
 list/forum/IRC for any meaningful support.

They'll still end up in #centos if history is any past indicator.  The
repos in the wiki that horse-stomp base are, for the most part, listed
as such; wording needs to be quite a bit stronger.  In a different
color and point size.  Flashing might be useful as well.

But I'd really be happy to not see them recommended here unless the
person making the recommendation takes ownership of all support issues
that the user has from said recommendation.  That seems fair :)





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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John R. Dennison wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 03:01:09PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
 virtualmin
 
 Perhaps we can avoid advocating repos that stomp all over base and
 replace core components?

I just added several that are on my list. Virtualmin repo is where 
Webmin rpms are located. I avoided giving any links, so who ever decides 
to check it out will have to read their web site and hopefully will 
understand his own actions.

Given that most of the noobs try to compile packages from tar's, my 
approach is actually more benign than what they would do on their own. 
And majority of users will not be interested in Virtualmin anyhow. But I 
will be extra careful about this.

In next month or two I will raise possibility to (in some safe form) add 
Priority lines in yum repo files, and to start a campaign in educating 
CentOS users in safe ways to use existing repositories to avoid 
compilations of packages on their own.

Ljubomir
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Re: [CentOS] Repositories for CentOS 6

2011-07-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 09:46:21 AM John R. Dennison wrote:
 They will still end up here and on IRC wondering why their system is
 broken at some point.  

Indeed.  If history is any indicator, even changes in the base repos will do 
the same.  (recent history, even, like as in less than an hour ago.)

 The wiki is populated with repos that should be
 flagged as This repo will cause tears of impotent rage or just
 removed.  

Which reminds me of a question but which I'll ask privately.

  And, yeah, I'm probably capable of
  rolling that myself, if need be, for my own private use.
 
 You're capable of supporting your own boxes :)

Well, to a point I could support them myself.  It is in fact easier to roll a 
package set than it is to support said package set (which is why it would be 
for my private use, as I'm not willing at this juncture to both roll a package 
set *and* go back into the package set support business; been there, done that, 
got the bruises to show for it).  It would be an opportunity to learn more 
about KDE, though.  Perhaps more than I want to know.

 They'll still end up in #centos if history is any past indicator.  

Yep.

 But I'd really be happy to not see them recommended here unless the
 person making the recommendation takes ownership of all support issues
 that the user has from said recommendation.  That seems fair :)

More than fair.  And that would be something I'd be willing to do if I do find 
someone else's repo that does modern KDE; if I don't have to spend the time to 
roll the package set, leaves more time to help support said package set.
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