Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
On 01/16/2011 06:26 PM, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Am 16.01.11 15:15, schrieb Manuel Wolfshant: On 01/16/2011 04:03 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote: If this approach is accepted I would be glad to help draft the cover page, and to help with polishing sub-pages; having over the years dealt with JDK via Sun(Oracle) RPMs, building JDK via the Jpackage approach, and simple JRE/plugin installations. Your idea looks fine to me. The existing page is so obsolete that I never pointed anyone to it during the last year... I always suggested download Sun's rpm, install, go live your life I'm fine with that. Java is completely over my horizon, regarding usage. If it doesn't run with openjdk, I normally don't run it, neither on servers nor on desktops. So that probably leaves two instructions (well, three) for that page: a) Use openjdk (if on 5, 6) b) Use SUN JDK/JRE if the above does not work for you, here's how to do it. c) Use jpackage nosrc.rpms if you insist on compliance to FHS For b) and c) stress that people *must* care about updates for themselves. Bonus points: Here's how to use Java in your browser. Especially stress the update issue here. Do I see that correctly? Absolutely right. Bonus points for emphasizing that the rpms derived from the .nosrc.rpm MUST be recreated at each update. Which is what finally made me give up using this approach. IIRC I wanted to automate the process , but with each [minor] release there were small diffs which invited to manual intervention, hence making the automated build impossible. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Am 16.01.11 13:30, schrieb Jasper Siepkes: If anyone is interested I could put up a wiki page outlining the steps to create RPM's with JPackage ? It's all about choice (isn't _23 the current one, though?). So if you want to write something up which can also be put on that page, feel free - different people seem to have different needs :) Regards, Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Ralph Angenendt wrote on 01/15/2011 03:39 PM: ... To me the article looks good, if you can incorporate it into the current wiki article (and not just replace that). I beg to differ. The current Wiki article contains a lot of confusing and obsolete information, and in trying to cover a multitude of Java versions and different approaches for CentOS 4 and 5, fails to do any of it well. Modifying it to merge in still more approaches such as the two currently under discussion in this thread, and soon CentOS 6, will add additional confusion. I would propose instead that a new cover page replace the current page. It should comprise an introduction to Java on CentOS; briefly discuss JRE, JDK, alternatives, and browser plugins; and provide links to sub-pages; one of which may be the current page and/or multiple sub-pages derived from it. Each subpage of JavaOnCentOS should be a concise method to install a particular Java flavor on a specific CentOS version, and should include its own detailed procedure on alternatives and plugins if appropriate. Obsolete pages and information could either be pruned or preserved in a Historical section. The two new submissions should each get their own sub-page. A section at the end, perhaps Other Voices, could point to recommended external pages, such as parts of the Jpackage site, or other HowTos. If this approach is accepted I would be glad to help draft the cover page, and to help with polishing sub-pages; having over the years dealt with JDK via Sun(Oracle) RPMs, building JDK via the Jpackage approach, and simple JRE/plugin installations. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Jasper Siepkes wrote on 01/16/2011 07:30 AM: ... If anyone is interested I could put up a wiki page outlining the steps to create RPM's with JPackage ? Very much so, particularly your spec mods and details on your alternatives configuration, which seems to cover more bases than I have done in the past. Phil ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
On 01/16/2011 04:03 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote on 01/15/2011 03:39 PM: ... To me the article looks good, if you can incorporate it into the current wiki article (and not just replace that). I beg to differ. The current Wiki article contains a lot of confusing and obsolete information, and in trying to cover a multitude of Java versions and different approaches for CentOS 4 and 5, fails to do any of it well. Modifying it to merge in still more approaches such as the two currently under discussion in this thread, and soon CentOS 6, will add additional confusion. I would propose instead that a new cover page replace the current page. It should comprise an introduction to Java on CentOS; briefly discuss JRE, JDK, alternatives, and browser plugins; and provide links to sub-pages; one of which may be the current page and/or multiple sub-pages derived from it. Each subpage of JavaOnCentOS should be a concise method to install a particular Java flavor on a specific CentOS version, and should include its own detailed procedure on alternatives and plugins if appropriate. right Obsolete pages and information could either be pruned or preserved in a Historical section. neah. the old page should be either updated or deleted/replaced. it's close to useless as it is now. The two new submissions should each get their own sub-page. A section at the end, perhaps Other Voices, could point to recommended external pages, such as parts of the Jpackage site, or other HowTos. If this approach is accepted I would be glad to help draft the cover page, and to help with polishing sub-pages; having over the years dealt with JDK via Sun(Oracle) RPMs, building JDK via the Jpackage approach, and simple JRE/plugin installations. Your idea looks fine to me. The existing page is so obsolete that I never pointed anyone to it during the last year... I always suggested download Sun's rpm, install, go live your life ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Am 16.01.11 15:15, schrieb Manuel Wolfshant: On 01/16/2011 04:03 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote: If this approach is accepted I would be glad to help draft the cover page, and to help with polishing sub-pages; having over the years dealt with JDK via Sun(Oracle) RPMs, building JDK via the Jpackage approach, and simple JRE/plugin installations. Your idea looks fine to me. The existing page is so obsolete that I never pointed anyone to it during the last year... I always suggested download Sun's rpm, install, go live your life I'm fine with that. Java is completely over my horizon, regarding usage. If it doesn't run with openjdk, I normally don't run it, neither on servers nor on desktops. So that probably leaves two instructions (well, three) for that page: a) Use openjdk (if on 5, 6) b) Use SUN JDK/JRE if the above does not work for you, here's how to do it. c) Use jpackage nosrc.rpms if you insist on compliance to FHS For b) and c) stress that people *must* care about updates for themselves. Bonus points: Here's how to use Java in your browser. Especially stress the update issue here. Do I see that correctly? Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Am 16.01.11 15:15, schrieb Manuel Wolfshant: On 01/16/2011 04:03 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote: Obsolete pages and information could either be pruned or preserved in a Historical section. neah. the old page should be either updated or deleted/replaced. it's close to useless as it is now. I'm with Manuel here. Don't keep things just because they were there once. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] HowTos/JavaOnCentOS Wiki page revision?
Am 14.01.11 19:16, schrieb Milos Blazevic: Hi all, in respect of the recent CentOS forum thread, (found here https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flattopic_id=28126forum=38) I wrote a Sun/Oracle Java Installation Manual for CentOS 5 - posted on my Wiki Profile page, http://wiki.centos.org/MilosBlazevic?action=show and would like update the Java Wiki page with this content. To me the article looks good, if you can incorporate it into the current wiki article (and not just replace that). Of course, for this to happen only after a thorough revision of the manual by the community. All critics and suggestions are most welcome. Okay, I haven't thouroughly reviewed it, but didn't find obvious issues while reading it :) Regards, Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
