Re: Is this an example of irony?
Not so much an example of irony, in the true literary sense. I would file this under 'karma'. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Michael Dinowitz mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote: Repeat after me. It is not right to laugh at the misfortune of others no matter how much they deserve it. Syria: Isis chief executioner found beheaded with cigarette in his mouth http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-isis-chief-executioner-found-beheaded-cigarette-his-mouth-1482101 Alternate subject was: Smoking kills ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:373072 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
I may be biased.....
but this is, in my opinion, and in terms of pure athletic ability, the best catch in the history of the NFL. https://vine.co/v/O1MTUa37TBr Even if you do not like American football, you have to appreciate that catch. In terms of drama, and improbability, I think the 'helmet catch' from Super Bowl 42 is probably the best catch of all time. Commons denominator of those 2 catches? Both were thrown by Eli Manning. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372994 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: I may be biased.....
I did. Read an article by Peter King where he interviewed Beckham's coach at LSU. The coach said that what he did Sunday was nothing compared to what he has seen him do in practice. That kid has the potential to be a superstar. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: There was no Superbowl 42, and there was no catch on the helmet. Nope. Didn't happen. *la la la la la* did you see him practicing exactly these catches in the pregame warmup? those were awesome, too. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: but this is, in my opinion, and in terms of pure athletic ability, the best catch in the history of the NFL. https://vine.co/v/O1MTUa37TBr Even if you do not like American football, you have to appreciate that catch. In terms of drama, and improbability, I think the 'helmet catch' from Super Bowl 42 is probably the best catch of all time. Commons denominator of those 2 catches? Both were thrown by Eli Manning. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: I may be biased.....
He seems to have had a good upbringing. Appears to be quite humble and have a good head on his shoulders. I think he will be fine. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: Let's hope not. Unfortunately, the league and their press arm (and the main media in echo) more often ruin a kid with the spotlight than help him. I hope he has good support, and better advisors than the Giants usually provide. New York is a tough and unforgiving place to grow up. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I did. Read an article by Peter King where he interviewed Beckham's coach at LSU. The coach said that what he did Sunday was nothing compared to what he has seen him do in practice. That kid has the potential to be a superstar. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: There was no Superbowl 42, and there was no catch on the helmet. Nope. Didn't happen. *la la la la la* did you see him practicing exactly these catches in the pregame warmup? those were awesome, too. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: but this is, in my opinion, and in terms of pure athletic ability, the best catch in the history of the NFL. https://vine.co/v/O1MTUa37TBr Even if you do not like American football, you have to appreciate that catch. In terms of drama, and improbability, I think the 'helmet catch' from Super Bowl 42 is probably the best catch of all time. Commons denominator of those 2 catches? Both were thrown by Eli Manning. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372999 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I read that differently. It's saying the people have spoken and the want to try a different direction. If the new Senate caves in to Democrats demands then they are not fulfilling the promises that got them elected. They're saying, pass bills that the people want even though the dem's will block them. Then when re-election is up, they'll be on record as voting against the will of the people. I think its cute you think any politician votes with the will of their people. Unless, by 'people', you mean those who fill their war chests instead of their constituency . -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372889 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: We've had no compromise for six years and the people are done. Yep, and both sides of the aisle get the blame there. Neither side was willing to 'negotiate in good faith'. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372890 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
I don't recall you having this same attitude when the midterms in Bush's second term went the same way, but for the democrats. Or when president Obama was elected...twice. Or, is it only 'the will of the people' when Republicans win? On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and the side that was in power went against the will of the people. And now they're gone. . On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: We've had no compromise for six years and the people are done. Yep, and both sides of the aisle get the blame there. Neither side was willing to 'negotiate in good faith'. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372893 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Nothing about the Democrats massive defeat?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: All of it leads to a crash. It's the nature of the beast. Can't have prosperity without the occasional recession. It's just the way it works. We can only hope the former lasts longer than the latter. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372894 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
'Nobody' wanted Obamacare, and yet, he was re-elected. Maybe you have a different definition for the word 'nobody' And, whatever credibility you may have had left you just pissed away by bringing up ebola. More Americans have been married to Kim Kardashian than have died from Ebola, yet it was made out to be a huge risk and that President Obama somehow 'failed' in his duties because he listened to actual doctors. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody wanted Obamacare, nobody wants the Dream Act. Those are probably the two most important issues this cycle. There are dozens of others like IRS, Fast and Furious, Ebola, Benghazi, Iraq, Serria, Israel, Iran...but the former two are what drove people to vote out the traitors. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall you having this same attitude when the midterms in Bush's second term went the same way, but for the democrats. Or when president Obama was elected...twice. Or, is it only 'the will of the people' when Republicans win? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Nothing about the Democrats massive defeat?
Indeed. I used to work with a guy who 'played' the market - not a day trader, he was trying to build a nest egg for when he retired (which was quite a big egg when he did retire). One thing he would frequently do is, when there was a dip in the market, he would invest more money in certain stocks or mutual funds. When they rebounded - which they almost always did, he would move some out to a more stable investment. He told me he made most of his money this way. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Can't have prosperity without the occasional recession. It's just the way it works. We can only hope the former lasts longer than the latter. And then there's also the concept of, buy low, sell high Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
This discussion just turned into a childish rant. No, that happened when you brought ebola into the conversation. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Nothing about the Democrats massive defeat?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking it signalled the population's sentiments and an indicator for 2016 election period. A ton of that depends on how the next 12-18 months plays out. I'm going to put my ideologue hat aside for a moment and talk pure DC politics. Truth be told, if the GOP wants to maintain control they need to not go after the button issues, rather McConnell needs to be the exact opposite of Harry Reid. As Majority Leader, Reid controlled the items that came to the floor of the Senate. There were a number of items in your list that could have been debated, amended and voted on that Reid did not bring to the floor. Boehner did the same thing as Reid in the House. More proof that the two sides are not that different from each other. From a political perspective it would actually be better for the GOP to run the Congress as openly and transparently as possible. Let there be debates and let the American people see where their elected officials actually stand on all of the issues. I am not sure the financial backers of all politicians want/would allow that. I shudder to think what would happen if a politician actually listened to the will of their constituency. It's funny, Viv, you said that the DNC needs to, start playing the GOP game. As Jerry said, national elections are like a pendulum. I agree to a large degree, look back over time and you'll see the shifting. I also disagree because I don't think that the American public has been convinced that the GOP will need to be replaced then. The GOP did a great job of convincing people that their current lot in life is solely the responsibility of the Democratic party, more specifically, President Obama. Unless, they are well off, in which case, the President and Democrats had nothing to do with it. I hope that President Obama and Congress can come up with real compromises, and not what we have seen in recent years where neither side is willing to budge, at all, on any issue. Ted Cruz was strutting around talking about repealing Obamacare now that GOP has majority in the Senate and refused to answer the question if he will support McConnell as Majority Leader - nothing could kill the feeling of unity the GOP is feeling right now than some in-fighting in their own party. Presidential year elections have larger voter turn-out and even more money involved. Ideologue that I am (and I can afford to be, I'm *not* an elected official nor am I a part of any party organization), my hope is that both sides field fresh candidates. I'm expecting to be disappointed in that but I can hope. We're going to see the DNC decry anything that the GOP has done, the GOP go after administrative bogey-men and at least 17.5% of the candidates will have a video where there sleeves are rolled up and they are holding their suit coat over their shoulder. I am already dreading the election in 2 years. It will be yet another election where we need to choose form the best of bad choices. We need some serious campaign reform, sadly, no one currently in office would ever go for it. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372872 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Governing: Don't do it, it's a trap!
That's like telling a Bully who's been thrashing you every day that you're prepared to share your lunch with him lol. He still has not understood that the GOP hate him, and have been at war with him since he became President, and there was never any chance at compromise. I remain hopeful that real compromise will eventually make a return to Washington. Sadly, though, in that arena, I do not think we have hit 'rock bottom' yet. Compromise does not mean that the Republicans agree to vote on Democratic supported policies after being threatened, or vice versa. It means working together to come up with a solution that both sides can live with AND benefits the nation as a whole - that last part is pretty important. I am so sick of the country being held hostage because the immature asshats in Washington think they can bully their way to a 'compromise' -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372880 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Past Discussion : Being a victim DOES affect your view of Justice.
But, not necessarily in the way you presented it. more likely to punish wrongdoing as a third party to a nonviolent offense than when [they're] victimized by it. First..it talks about 'non-violent' crimes. Second, this goes against what you had argued. If I recall, your stance was that a woman who was gang raped would/should/could not be part of a jury in a rape case. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: A while back, on the Rice domestic Violence issue I was of the opinion that being the victim of a crime such as Rape , would affect your view on punishment and justice for a similar crime. Many people were of the opinion that being the victim of a violent crime, even one of such a severe sexual nature, would not affect the view of Justice for that crime. Science says it does. Being the victim of a crime does affect your view on justice, and punishment. http://mic.com/articles/102728/science-explains-why-true-justice-is-actually-a-myth ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372846 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Past Discussion : Being a victim DOES affect your view of Justice.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: THBBBTT :-p So many semantics. If it affects the thought process about determination of punishment, it affects verdict. I disagree. one may not agree that a certain crime should be punishable by death, but I do not think that would interfere with them being able to determine if the person was guilty of said crime. That is a pretty big leap of logic/faith. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372849 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Playoffs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:50 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: How sweet it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMJyiHIaBY Some of you seriously get to do this every year Been 29 years around here. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372742 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
I don't consider myself to be an 'anti-Apple fan boy'. I consider myself an 'anti-Apple fan boy fan boy'. Loathe the people who thin everything Apple does is do is innovative and no other devices could not possibly be worthwhile because it does nto have an Apple logo on it. Apple could market ice and there are a small (but very vocal) group of people would claim it was a 'game changer' and that Apple freezes water better than anyone ever did. That is what I loathe. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like there still is some issue: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html but anyway, I'm not gonna put anyone down for getting an android device. It just seems that there are as many anti-apple fan boys as apple fan boys around. There's still no perfect phone out there. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: To be fair, that blog post is 2 years old and things have gotten a fair bit better in the intervening time. It is true, though, that when I had a phone purchased through a carrier (T-Mobile) it lagged the official release of Android by several months. I'd eventually get it, but it was a reliable time lag. The combination of handset-specific mods (TouchWiz UI on my Samsung) with carrier-specific junk and support definitely was a bottleneck. That is one of the many reasons I opted to buy a Nexus 5 direct from Google with stock Android for my last phone purchase. Cheers, Judah On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: except when it doesn't http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Same thing applies to Android and Windows phones. -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest the nice thing about it is that Apple can issue a software fix and *all* the phones that can run IOS8 will get it. You won't have to buy a new phone to get the fix :) On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:38 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: What did Apple do better? Advertise On Sep 26, 2014 2:29 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-ios8-camera-problems,news-19585.h tml Seems like a software update can fix this. . On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, J.J. Merrick j...@panos.cc wrote: I think his point is that the camera is to the point where it gives him the controls etc that mimic the tools he has in his DSLR and that the optics are super crisp. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372713 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
I did not say nothing they do is a 'game changer', rather pointing out the ludicrousness of people thinking everything they do is a game changer. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: The apple iPod was a game changer ^_^ They did the dedicated digital music player better than anyone else ever did, or has done since ;-D On 27 September 2014 11:12, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: people would claim it was a 'game changer' and that Apple ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372715 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
I was an Apple convert. Had a 17 inch MacBook pro. Wife and I both had I phones. I was all in. When it came time to replace the MacBook Pro, I tried to justify the cost difference. For me, a Mac did not make me more productive. Many claim it makes them much more productive - leading me to believe that either I did not know how to use OS X, or they don't know how to use Windows. None of the tools I use for web development are Mac specific and are all cross platform. For me, I saw no advantage of one OS over the other, so I went with what cost less. Which was a Windows machine from Dell. On Sep 27, 2014 8:20 PM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, you get what you pay for. I was a devout windows and android user. I used to mock apple folks. Then I was offered a work in kind deal, and for some reason, I chose to be paid in the form of a 17 MacBook Pro. It took a while, but in the end, I was a convert. Now I have an iPhone, iPad and of course the Mac. I love them all. I love the interoperability of all three devices. I am looking forward to Yosemite to come out for the Mac to see what new level of interoperability I get. I still have two Windows machines in my house. they run Windows 7 and 8. I don't know why I hang onto them, but on rare occasions I will fire one up. I may turn one of them into a linux machine running Apache, PHP and ColdFusion as well as MySQL for a development web server since the sites I host are all on Linux servers. I don't think that Apple does anything revolutionary. IMO, it appears to me that they see what's out there, what people like and don't like, and make/upgrade a product that has the things that folks want, and not much of what they don't want. Again, my opinion. I don't mind that Apple waits a while to develop something that Android has been doing for a while. I am patient. I was not jonesing for a SWYPE keyboard, but as soon as I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 8, I paid the whopping .99 cents to get it. I am looking forward to seeing how the iWatch is going to work. From what I read, Apple took what Samsung has been doing with their watch, and making tweaks so that it's what people want, and leaving out what they don't want. In the end, its all about what you like. I won't bash a windows or android user (I will bash Windows 8 though) just because they like their systems. As was said in this thread, to each their own. Sent from my iPad On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: The click wheel interface was pretty innovative at the time. I remember that my brother had one from Dell at the same time I got my first iPod classic. Hands down, it was easier to navigate the iPod. The other difference was the quality of the components. Audiophiles would use the iPod along with the FLAC codec to store their digital collections because of the quality if the DAC. As for apple products being overpriced, I'm sure there are a lot of people that feel that way. I don't happen to be one of them. I also think that other companies have quality products e.g. Lenovo, but you end up spending a similar amount because you have to get the higher end product. On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: How did they do an MP3 player better than anyone else? Even the cheap crappy ones you can buy for 5 bucks play music just as good. My old Creative Labs MP3 player that came out long before there was ever an iPod played music just as good as an iPod years before there was an iPod. It synced with my computer's music folder...the only thing special about it was the introduction of iTunes to download music...though if I remember correctly, my player hooked up with Rhapsody. I never saw what was so innovative about it. Apple products are overpriced status symbols. Ever since the PC's became just as powerful in the graphics department, Apple hasn't been anything special. Hel...the only way they were able to improve their OS was to make it a Linux shell... Eric -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com javascript:;] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest The apple iPod was a game changer ^_^ They did the dedicated digital music player better than anyone else ever did, or has done since ;-D On 27 September 2014 11:12, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: people would claim it was a 'game changer' and that Apple ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372719 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
Its not the camera, it the photographer. A professional can make stunning images using a pin-hole camera. But, yea, the camera is pretty sweet. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:37 AM, J.J. Merrick j...@panos.cc wrote: I will say that the camera on the iPhone 6 is pretty awesome. Here is a pro friend of mine that did a shoot with it the other day: http://jeremycowart.com/2014/09/johnnyswim-iphone-shoot/ -J.J. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: maybe the deal is regional...I have 4 lines unlimited everything and then 2 sims for my iPads and it's $120 before fees and taxes -- $142 afterwards. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to sign up for T-Mobile, four lines with my own phone and it was $240 a month. I've had Verizon since the 90's and have never found a provider that's cheaper or better coverage. But I keep checking every couple of years. . On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: actually, I guess it's not really a discount on the plan, you are just not financing your phone in your monthly payment. I also don't have to sign a contract this way. My last carrier was Virgin Mobile. Their LTE service was meh...so I decided to switch after a year of using them. Now I've joined with my family on t-mobile on that 4 phones/$100 plan. If I get tired of them, I can switch to another carrier any time I want. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: typically, yes. I pay $25/month for unlimited everything right now. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
You forgot that it bends after being in yoru pocket better than any phone out there, too. :-P On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you wondering, here's what the iPhone 6 does better than any other phone out there on the market: The 64 bit A8 Processor is better and faster than anything else on the market. The fingerprint scanner is the best performing scanner on the market, and it is absolutely better than Samsung's S5 implementation The camera has an autofocus system usually reserved for DSLRs. Hand off of tasks between Apple devices is great, and a productivity booster for many. Pick up writing an email, an SMS, or sharing documents immediately between devices. (moving from your desktop to your iPad in your bedroom, for example, would be seamless) ApplePay is a tremendous innovation, with the ability to radically change the way we use Credit Cards So these aren't necessarily revolutionary changes, but neither has anything the competition has done been revolutionary. However, once again, Apple takes its incremental improvements and implements them correctly and with a marketing flair that appeals to its customer base. Which is why the iPhone launch always boast the best sell throughs of any mobile device. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372639 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What the iPhone 6 does better than the rest
I just don't understand why it is being seen as super important or revolutionary or whatever but maybe I'm missing the details. Because Apple zealots view everything Apple does as awesome and innovative, even when it isn't. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372659 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: There seems to be no end to the corruption....
If any of this is true, I am not sure how Goodell stays. It was reported that Anheiser-Busch could walk away from their sponsorship agreement if there is a league wide 'scandal' and other major sponsors have expressed concerns over the NFL's image. No way they let some of their biggest sponsors/partners walk away. Sad that it has to come down to the possibility of losing a shit-ton of money to make necessary changes. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: at this point, I don't see how heads will not roll. Anyone who knows anything about the NFL knows that every team has a team of investigators that include former police and FBI. It's not hard to find the truth, or at least get ahold of a police report. It's pretty obvious that coverups were occurring in order to bring in the all mighty dollar. It's unfortunate that those involved in this alleged coverup don't realize that-as the story mentioned-learning about a coverup is worse than just admitting the truth. I really hope that many folks - including Goodall - are fired and fined severely. Sent from my iPad On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: http://bit.ly/1tBfABt If any of this is true, and goes unpunished, I may be done with the NFL. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372616 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sci-Fi Space Ships Comparison Chart
Without hesitation, a YT-1300 (Millennium Falcon) On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: You have to look at it full size to really get the effect, but I find this very cool. http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-Spaceships-398790051 If you could have a spaceship, which one would you want? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sci-Fi Space Ships Comparison Chart
Close second would be the Battelstar Galactica On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Without hesitation, a YT-1300 (Millennium Falcon) On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: You have to look at it full size to really get the effect, but I find this very cool. http://dirkloechel.deviantart.com/art/Size-Comparison-Science-Fiction-Spaceships-398790051 If you could have a spaceship, which one would you want? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
There seems to be no end to the corruption....
http://bit.ly/1tBfABt If any of this is true, and goes unpunished, I may be done with the NFL. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Who's rocking iOS8??
I have had SWYPE style keyboard on my last 2 Android devices and I can say I think it is one of the best features of any phone, especially for people with fat fingers like me. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote: I have it on my 4s. Favorite features so far: Better email handling (swipe email left/right for more options) Searchlight now searches everything including the Web Camera - Timelapse and timer. Notification responses Location Services for apps that support it can be changed from when Using rather than always or never Haven't updated the keyboard to Swype yet. But the new predictive keyboard is better (if less amusing) than autocorrect. Oh and also this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/apple-will-no-longer-unloc k-most-iphones-ipads-for-police-even-with-search-warrants/2014/09/17/2612af5 8-3ed2-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html Sandy -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:29 AM To: cf-community Subject: Who's rocking iOS8?? I installed the new keyboard, SWYPE. It is great for one handed text entry in all programs! I feel as though the phone, a 5s, is a bit snappier under iOS 8, and I like the camera software updates. Anyone found other useful new features? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372584 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Who's rocking iOS8??
Not sure I would agree that the iPhone is 'behind' Android. Yea, there are some features Android users have had for a while that are 'new' in the iPhone, but I am sure there are things in the iPhone 6 that will wind up in the GS6 (or whatever version will be next). Anyone who says Android is crap or iOS is crap is not worth listening to. Regardless of what OS your phone runs, you have an amazing piece of technology in your hands. I am not a fan of iOS - I hate the 'one button to rule them all'. I had an iPhone for 2+ years and I NEVER got used to the fact that button did NOT let you go 'back'. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I really do like the predictive keyboard. What a HUGE difference. I know that iOS is behind the androids, but honestly I don't care. In fact, I am glad that Apple is lagging a bit so that they have a chance to see what folks really like and don't like. For instance, the Samsung watch thingy is not working out as well as they would have wanted it to, and Apple is looking hard at that and making a watch that people want. To be honest, I doubt I'd get one because outside of the Army, I don't wear a watch. I will try out the SWYPE keyboard. I tried it out on android devices and like it. I need to sit down and play around with some of the other features, but so far iOS 8 is really sweet. Can't wait for the new OSX to come out so that my MacBook, iPad and phone play better together. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Who's rocking iOS8??
Do you mean recognize music like Shazam or SoundHound? On Sep 18, 2014 2:56 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: I read that Siri will recognise music now, and link directly to an iTunes buy listing on the notification screen. That sounds very neat. I was playing around with the voice dictation as well, which actually seems to be quite good! On 18 September 2014 14:51, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: I had an IPhone for a few years... as soon as my contract was up I got the Galaxy Note... I have an IPad I really like especially with music.. the onsong app is a big help with jams. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372601 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Who's rocking iOS8??
That is pretty cool.. On Sep 18, 2014 9:53 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Do you mean recognize music like Shazam or SoundHound? Yes. It's actually powered by Shazam. You ask Siri what's playing and she invokes the Shazam to tell you. http://www.cnet.com/how-to/siri-can-now-name-that-tune-via-ios-8/ -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Is anyone really surprised? I am not. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: He hasn't responded about the brown shooting either On Sep 11, 2014 1:37 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, let me get this straight. When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking for trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have 'attacked' him. Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' her first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing that on? Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice for the fallout for his actions is pathetic. When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining about a double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you really are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We can't know whether this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there more to it. Maybe the woman is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. It's also possible that she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on each other for awhile then enjoy the makeup sex that ensues. I know that sounds crazy, but there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to judge people's lives when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as it seems, the fiance apparently got over the event. Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that their lives have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident and moved on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What they've built together since now is in ruins. TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, without regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse for their own gain. It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to discuss from the outside looking in. On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for trouble'? http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: They *both* were victims of assault. If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray Rice, and did the same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she be charged with assault? Of course she should. The both did things that were wrong. On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do
Re: When the list was a community
9/11 was actually my first full day in IT - at the same company at which I worked as a paramedic. Since I was still certified as a paramedic, and still a manager at the company, I was tasked with setting up a staging area at a municipal airport in Wall Township, NJ. The plan was that as people were removed from the wreckage patients who were no severely injured would be transported to airports similar to the one in Wall so that hospitals close to Ground Zero would not get overwhelmed. At the staging area, we coordinated over 150 people form about 50 different agencies - ensuring we had a procedure when patients arrived - we were all convinced that we would soon be very busy. We did not have TV or Internet access at the airport so we relied on updates via phone calls we would receive occasionally. Even though we were about 40 miles from Ground Zero, we could see the smoke. After about 9:00 PM, we received no patients. We were advised that our services would no longer be needed. About 12 hours after the Towers collapsed it hit me that very few, if any, people would emerge from the rubble alive. I cried the entire way home. The next day, 9/12, I was part of a very large contingent of paramedics, nurses and EMTs from my company who went to Liberty State Park - across the Hudson River from Ground Zero - in Jersey City, NJ. For a good portion of the day, this was my view - http://bit.ly/Zjx4Hg (and yes, I am in that picture). Later in the afternoon on 9/12 volunteers were requested to assist at Ground Zero - myself and quite a few others raised out hands and we headed over to Manhattan to do what we could. We were stationed in an area north of the main rubble pile and waited.and waited..and waited. And still, we saw no patients. About midnight, we were relieved by other crews from other agencies. I cried the entire way home. Over the next few days and weeks, my company sent dozens of crews to assist. I was on a few of those crews, sitting around waiting...and waiting. I cried the entire way home after each of those 'shifts'. I used to say that as long as I was physically able to do the job, I would. Even after leaving the field full time, I still worked as a paramedic once a week. But, I came to realize something, what I did was not fair to my family. While I was up trying to help others, my wife (pregnant with our second child) and my son were home alone - and terrified that the attacks were not over. I realized that I could not put my family through something like that again because I was (and still am) the type of person who would have been running up to help while every one else was running down. While I still worked for the EMS company, even though I was in IT, I was required to remain certified and be available from time to time to pick up shifts when needed - it was part of my deal to move from 'Operations' to IT. I left that company in Oct. of 2003 and moved to the DC area. That December, after 14 years, I let my paramedic certification lapse. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: That day was so surreal. I remember checking the NY Times front page around 7 or so (my time) in the morning and i see a little blip: BREAKING NEWS: Plane crashes into World Trade center. I remember thinking some idiot novice pilot crashed his cessna into a skyscraper. I remember showing it to my coworker and we had a little chuckle over itman, how can you be so dumb as to hit a building THAT big. Needless to say, a few minutes later we weren't laughing anymore. My boss came around and sent everyone home not long after the second tower was hit. It was an absolutely beautiful day here in KC.but the sky looked so ominous anyway. I'll never forget the sight of the contrails in the sky.2 or 3 big looping circles in the sky as all aircraft were immediately ordered to land. Those smoke ribbons in the sky were so beautiful...and yet so amazingly frightening. I was living with my brother at the time and he came home from work too. We grabbed some beers and started throwing horseshoes in the back yard. Sun was shining, beer was cold, company was good..yet we barely talked.had a few nervous laughs.avoided the subject on both of our minds. Later that night I finally cried. The images were just too much. Even now thinking back on it, 13 years later..man.my emotions are still so raw. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote: Memories of 9/11 for me are always and will always be tied to this list. I was more scared that day than I ever really admitted to, and having the members of the list at that time talking to one another, and calling out for each other, and making sure those we knew in NY were safe, was comforting. Comforting during a time when I thought planes were going to drop out of the sky and on our heads. I don't think I left the apartment for days. I was IM'ing with
Re: Ray Rice
So, let me get this straight. When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking for trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have 'attacked' him. Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' her first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing that on? Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice for the fallout for his actions is pathetic. When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining about a double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you really are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We can't know whether this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there more to it. Maybe the woman is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. It's also possible that she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on each other for awhile then enjoy the makeup sex that ensues. I know that sounds crazy, but there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to judge people's lives when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as it seems, the fiance apparently got over the event. Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that their lives have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident and moved on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What they've built together since now is in ruins. TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, without regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse for their own gain. It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to discuss from the outside looking in. On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for trouble'? http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: They *both* were victims of assault. If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray Rice, and did the same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she be charged with assault? Of course she should. The both did things that were wrong. On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble
Re: Pistorious not guilty of murder
Wow...justwow. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell!!? The guy shot his girlfriend 4 times in the bathroom!! He didn't even see her, he shot through the door, they were the only ones in the room! How the hell is this not murder!?? http://gawker.com/judge-oscar-pistorius-did-not-intentionally-kill-his-g-1633392801 So it drops to possible manslaughter, which has no minimum sentencing. He could get probation, or a fine. He cut someone off in the prime of their lives over most possibly an argument or his insecurity or some nonsense like that. I'm really surprised at the verdict. And after the judge said he was an unreliable witness, and wasn't truthful in many instances. So she is saying she KNOWS he's lying ! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Bowing out
I think its cute you think you are open minded. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Dude, you need help. You use personal attacks against everyone you disagree with and then call them abusive because they made you do it? Try to be a little open minded just once in your life. You might enjoy it. As for the AGW, you're the one that yells the sky is falling once a week, I just like to point out there's no scientific to support your claims. Think about it. . On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Maureen wrote: I guess this means the attack cadre has won the battle for the list. Too bad, because it has been fun sharing ideas and opinions over the years Unfortunately, I think that the few unreasonable and borderline abusive people on this list have scared away a great many people over the years. The ones of us who are left either have very thick skins or ignore those threads. I find it useful to remember that among the people who remain here, I agree with many of them on many things. The people I have the most opposite view of (Sam, Rick) are so indoctrinated and invested into their view of the world that no amount of discussion will change their mind. These are people who may have a very hard time getting along with other people in real life as well. It's easy to feel like you have to defend sanity, logic, and the good in the world and try to convince them to change their minds. But you are just talking to a brick wall. It's a waste of time. They have made up their minds and their mission here is only to agitate and troll you. They are not attempting to have an intellectual productive conversation. It's easiest just to ignore them, and/or be amused by them. Likewise, remember that none of us are speaking in a forum of impressionable young minds here. They are not influencing or harming anyone with their viewpoints but themselves. They are not swaying anyone's opinions. Don't feel like you need to defend anyone. None of us are fooled if their statements go unchallenged, we all see them for who they are. No matter how much he tries, Sam is not convincing anyone that Climate Change is the largest conspiracy ever known to man, and Rick is not convincing anyone that beating your spouse is okay if she deserved it. I know that Rick's posts may feel very personal to you, especially since it sounds like you have been a victim of domestic abuse before. I imagine that they feel like (and may actually be, psychologically speaking) actual abusive attacks, especially with the recent devolution into name calling and disrespectful comments. I don't advocate violence unless there is a real reason for it, even against Rick. This is a silly comparison I know, but I can't help but be reminded of the third episode of The Walking Dead, an episode called Tell it to the Frogs where Carol is being abused by her husband and Shane jumps in to defend her, beating Ed within an inch of his life for his abuse. I know you are strong and capable of defending yourself, it's just a scene that I think of when I imagine that like Ed in the show, what a miserable person Rick must be like in his real life, and how this group would jump into action if we were all standing around in person and he felt the sudden need to beat ANY person because they asked for it. Especially a woman. Anyway, those are my random thoughts. I do hope you do continue to lurk and contribute at times. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372529 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. It makes you human, Mo. it makes you human. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372334 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? Typical, misogynistic bullshit. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the situation. There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional athletes realize that. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids
Re: Ray Rice
The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a 'disagreement'. The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else but the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - even then, I am not so sure. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in if you have never seen this happen? It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or anything of the sort. There is a difference. I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders , and those that claim they want to help her to leave her alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. I find that offensive. Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one does. No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation has been exploited. If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This is about money at this point. And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. It isn't. It never was. TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves Yes..Justice has been done Or At least this poor woman won't go through what I went through (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going through anything at all). Ridiculous. On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? Typical, misogynistic bullshit. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the situation. There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional athletes realize that. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing
Re: Ray Rice
This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify his actions because you think she deserved it. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for provoking Ray? On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? Typical, misogynistic bullshit. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the situation. There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional athletes realize that. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his response. You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372345 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Nice backpedaling, Rick. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, I was trying to type: She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he did. Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his response. You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Wrong, Eric! Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for hers! I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this society. Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. Woman can't hide behind their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they lose! Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify his actions because you think she deserved it. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for provoking Ray? On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? Typical, misogynistic bullshit. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the situation. There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional athletes realize that. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her
Re: Ray Rice
Here is the point you are too damn thickheaded to understand. If it was a man, with the same size and strength as the woman, who was punched by Ray Rice, my feelings about the assault would not change at all. I think the size, strength, ability of those involved should come into play in cases like this. Your hyperbole and 'what ifs' are irrelevant. Ray Rice is a professional football player..a running back. He is going to be bigger and/or stronger than most people he will encounter. He needs to learn to control that strength and not respond with a disproportionate amount of force. He had many other ways to end the situation, but he chose to punch her in the face. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I wouldn't hit my wife back, at all. But that's the way I roll. Everyone doesn't have to play by those standards, especially since women have declared they want to be men's equals. But now, if a stranger, who happened to be a woman attacked me, then all bets are off. I'll do what I have to in order to stop the attack; knock her out or whatever. She's not a woman at that point; she's an attacker. Equal pay for equal play. On 9/10/2014 2:30 AM, Maureen wrote: Question for you: if your wife slapped you, would you feel justified in hitting her with your fist? If not, why not? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Oh, bull, Maureen. You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with some cases of abuse. What hubris... On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Of course you are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Just setting the record straight... On 9/10/2014 9:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: Nice backpedaling, Rick. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, I was trying to type: She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he did. Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his response. You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372359 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
If the 'disagreement', as you have classified it, took place in a private residence, and NOT in public, I may (strong emphasis on the word 'may' there) be able to understand (not agree with, but understand ) with that sentiment. But, you see, it didn't. The fact that he punched her in the face IN PUBLIC made it public. There is no one to blame but him for that. The problem with that thinking, though, is where do you draw the line? If punching her once is no one's business, would 2 punches? 3? 4? At what point would others be justified in being concerned for her well being and it not be a 'private' concern between two adults? Sorry, that logic simply does not compute - nor does the fact that you are trying to make it seem like this was some typical spat between two people in a relationship. He punched her in the face and you are calling it a 'disagreement'. If that is a disagreement, I shudder to think what you consider an all out 'fight' On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else. The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal issue between two ADULTs! Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a relationship with a man? WITH ZERO evidence that man is abusive towards her on an ongoing basis!?? What right do you have to diminish her mental capability, her being able to think and make decisions for herself, based on your assumption that she is a battered woman? Don't you see that point? On 10 September 2014 08:53, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for getting hit. You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women are like children. With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think she is in an abusive relationship. That abuse may not always be physical, but abuse need not be physical to be damaging. I have seen, more times than I care to remember, people who defend their abusers and blame everyone else for the problem - and this includes men who were being abused. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that isn't true. YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to something I said. Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. *I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think* *they were also 'looking for trouble'?* It **is** more than a disagreement, and the police took care of it. End of story. Question to you Scott, Is your stance that she is a battered woman trapped in an abusive relationship? On 10 September 2014 09:20, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a 'disagreement'. The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else but the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - even then, I am not so sure. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: I understand you were saying what-if. And in doing so you compared a grown adult to a child. No I wasn't. I never compared an adult to a child. No matter how you slice it, I did not do that. You did that , not me. That's all I was pointing out to you. I understand the point you were trying to make. And I think it was irrelevant, UNLESS you were comparing an adult to a 12 year old child, at which point I thought it was a belittling comparison. *With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think* *she is in an abusive relationship. * And that right there is where we part ways with agreeing. Because you do not have enough information to make that determination. I have experience dealing with victims of abuse. Do you? If you are right, what happens? They continue to be millionaires (assuming they did not piss away the $25 million he has already made from the Ravens). If you are right, he will likely be reinstated by the NFL and signed to a team. If I am right, she will wind up in the hospital or the morgue. Should we not error on the side of caution? And we are not talking about all domestic disputes, we not talking about all women that abuse their husbands, or all husbands that abuse their wives. We are talking about this single isolated incident. Anything else you say is pure and total speculation on your part regarding these two people. And that speculation does neither of them any favours, and isn't Good. If tomorrow evidence comes out that this is an ongoing abuse either by him or by her in their relationship, I'd be the first to say you are right, she needs to get out and everything else that you have said. But as of now, you don't know. You and everyone else is speculating. So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? And by doing so you are basically saying that woman is crazy, she is not in control of her faculties, and so you, TMZ, the Media and the Public get to make decisions for her, and get to decide what is right for her. So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my opinion that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive relationship. Let me flip it. Based on what I saw, I think she abuses Rice, and that Ray Rice is in an abusive relationship. And he snapped in that elevator. He was drunk, she was drunkshe came at him again like she always does, cussing and shouting at him, and slapping him around...and he snapped. How's that? You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am disappointed. On 10 September 2014 10:51, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for getting hit. You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women are like children. With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think she is in an abusive relationship. That abuse may not always be physical, but abuse need not be physical to be damaging. I have seen, more times than I care to remember, people who defend their abusers and blame everyone else for the problem - and this includes men who were being abused. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: It was a very simple question. Let's make it even simpler. You are a Lawyer reviewing a Jury. Your client is accused of rape, and he is innocent. Do you allow the woman who was gang raped four times to be on your Jury? I mean..let's make it REALLY simple. Can you answer that? On 10 September 2014 10:55, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Apple live event is starting!!
I think the idea of a 'smart' watch is pretty cool, but I cannot think of a single use case that would make me, personally go out and buy one. It would be cool to have a golf app to track where I am on the course, but there is one problem...I do not wear a watch when playing golf. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:44 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Has that phenomenon ever been studied? I know several people who cannot wear watchesthey quit working after several days of touching their skin. My mom for one cannot wear a watch, never has been able too...they all die within a few days. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Pocket watches for me, too. Wrist watches, mechanical, battery and even digital do not function for long when attached to my wrists... dunno why... On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:40 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I always did like you Jerry :) On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: I carry a pocket watch. Swiss army. For the same reason. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:19 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I wear a winding mechanical watch on purpose. I can tell direction and relative piston in day and night with it. Time I can guess t mate if need be, for a period On Sep 10, 2014 8:48 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM, William Bowen wrote: Also... it's a fucking phone. I need a new phone and have an iPhone. I'll buy the 6 (the smaller one) when it's available to buy online but I am not standing in line and if the site crashes due to traffic I'll wait a few days. I do like the Apple ecosystem though. oh and a watch. Okay, so I was totally meh about the watch before the event but it's actually impressed me more than I expected. Did you guys watch the event video and see the details? Still meh? I haven't worn a watch in years. I think I am still going to wait for someone else to buy one so I can check it out in person and see how they like it. I can't imagine the battery life will be very good but it has some pretty promising features. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people, without facts. What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they actually) need help? Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the relationship is not an abusive one? Physical abuse is but one type of abuse - and it often goes hand in hand with emotional and sexual abuse I will say that if a man punches his fiance in the face, rendering her unconscious, that is abusive behavior - whether it was the first or 50th time he hit her. Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things out, and can go on to have a happy family? Nope, not at all. But, unless she/he/they want the help, no amount of counseling will work. Also, there are things that counseling might not work for. I think I would put 'knocking your fiance unconscious' on that list - close to the top. On 10 September 2014 11:30, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my opinion that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive relationship. You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am disappointed. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I cannot say, with any confidence, how I would/act feel in that situation - nor would that decision actually be in my hands - that is what lawyers are for. Would that information even be available to the lawyers? (Asking out of ignorance as, as I stated, I have never been privy to the nuances of jury selection) You answered your question as if it was directed at you, but you did not answer mine. So you feel that rape victims are incapable of objectively viewing other rapes cases? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: They already said they were getting help for that incident, and have gotten help. I think it needs to go beyond them getting therapy together. I think they both need therapy separately. He needs to learn not to punch hi fiance in the face and she needs to learn it is not acceptable be his punching bag. And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that was beyond help? I did not say the relationship was beyond help. I said there are things no amount of therapy can fix and that 'punching your fiance in the face' may be one of those things. There are things that I would consider unforgivable in a relationship. Getting punched in the face by your fiance would be on that list. How do you not think that 'punching your fiance in the face' is not 'abusive'? That is what truly boggles my mind. On 10 September 2014 12:09, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they actually) need help? Physical abuse is but one type of abuse - and it often goes hand in hand with emotional and sexual abuse I will say that if a man punches his fiance in the face, rendering her unconscious, that is abusive behavior - whether it was the first or 50th time he hit her. Nope, not at all. But, unless she/he/they want the help, no amount of counseling will work. Also, there are things that counseling might not work for. I think I would put 'knocking your fiance unconscious' on that list - close to the top. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. And that makes it acceptable behavior? On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372409 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You have been on a jury 8 times? That is cool. I served on a grand jury once. That was fascinating. A part of the justice system few get to see. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Gel, i was once dismissed from a jury by the Prosecutor because I answered a question of his that indicated that I understood that *all* persons accused of a crime are considered *innocent* until proven guilty. Whether or not I had been ticketed, arrested, guilty of some infraction, etc. was immaterial to the lawyers line of questioning. Additionally, yes, a Defense attorney *might* try to have a multiply-vicitmized person removed from a jury, but, OTOH might want to keep that person on the jury in order to claim mistrial at a later time. courtroom strategy is a tough call. Prosecution might want a person who was raped multiple times off a jury for exactly the same reason (possibility of mistrial). But to suggest that a person cannot be objective after a given trauma is ludicrous. Sorry, it just is. Ever been in a car accident where someone collided with you? Could you sit on a jury for a vehicular manslaughter charge? Ever had your wallet/watch/phone stolen? Could you sit on a jury for a pickpocket/burglar/petty larceny case? Ever fallen/tripped? Could you sit on a jury for a personal injury case involving wet floors in a publicly accessible space? Ever accidentally shocked yourself doing home electrical repairs? Could you sit on a workplace safety trial that involved high voltage and proper tagging? In case you're wondering, these are all cases from my own experience as a jurist, and the answer to the above 8 questions it yes. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372410 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Rick there are plenty of reasonable people on this list and I don't think any of them agree with you. The unreasonable ones don't agree with him either. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372429 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Now? I think he passed 'dick' sometime yesterday afternoon. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Now you're just being a dick.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I insist that the fault is always with the victim. I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't understand them. And I was trying to gently rebuff her false accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Now you're just being a dick.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372432 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I figured you wouldn't. I have not agreed with Maureen on every issue, but even then, I have not found her to unreasonable. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I can't agree with you. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Rick, It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or female. If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called picking your battles. But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how could you understand this.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I insist that the fault is always with the victim. I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't understand them. And I was trying to gently rebuff her false accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Now you're just being a dick.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372443 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
That is not what she was saying...man you are either really dense, or incredibly obtuse. Not sure which one I would prefer. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? I'm waiting for your consistent, very level headed, thought provoking commentary to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I can't agree with you. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372445 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I try to teach the women (and men) in my life to be careful about what you say and do. Maybe you should take your own advice. Do you recall saying this: 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did.' -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372450 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Good point, Maureen. Someone has skyrocketed to the top of my 'Do not hire/Do not work with' list over the last day or so. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? pause... I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people are responding to him. I propose group block and ignore. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Rick, It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or female. If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called picking your battles. But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how could you understand this.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I insist that the fault is always with the victim. I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't understand them. And I was trying to gently rebuff her false accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Now you're just being a dick.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for trouble'? http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: They *both* were victims of assault. If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray Rice, and did the same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she be charged with assault? Of course she should. The both did things that were wrong. On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372494 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You know what Rick. You are a complete asshole. The assaults are in no way comparative and your attempt to blame the victim is disgusting. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, Judah and Jerry, you're both wrong. I make no equivalency argument, but both were victims of assault. However, both assaults should be treated on their own merits, or lack thereof. Yes, Ray is guilty of his assault and should be punished accordingly, whether he hit a man or a woman. The fact that he hit a woman is of no consequence. The woman, apparently, also hit Ray. Also an assault. She should be punished accordingly. The fact that she was hit harder is of no consequence concerning her behavior. Both were wrong and both should be punished accordingly. If she had hit a very weak man, smaller than her, and knocked him out with the exact same blow(s) as she hit Ray with, should her battery not count against her? Is the determining factor for punishment only the result of the battery? They both were at fault and both should be punished: appropriately. Ray hit her too hard, but she hit first and provoked a response. At some point, enough is enough. Should Ray have waited until she began to hit over the head with a baseball bat, threatening his life, before he responded? Don't twist my meaning. Ray was wrong. She was wrong. Just because she got the worst end of the deal doesn't exonerate her guilt. On 9/8/2014 11:24 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: Ah, gotcha, victime blaming. Yeah, Rick should go to hell. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Today the wife apologised for her role in the incident. Most victims of domestic abuse blame themselves. If the wife was an athlete, and stronger than Rice, and the same thing had happened I just don't think that anyone would be blaming her 100% for what happened. But she wasn't/isn't, so your point is moot. There is a total skew when it comes to situations involving violence between a man and a woman. In cases where the man is much larger ans stronger than the woman, it should be. I also did not see two punches. I saw a single slap when she charged him with fists flying. If you saw a 'slap' you are not watching the same video. This was not a passive abusive scenario. It also was not a scenario where the wife was fighting back to protect herself, she was the aggressor. No, she wasn't. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
More proof you are an asshole. This reeks of 'she had it coming to her'. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Women want equality. They don't want to be treated as weaker. These are the consequences of feminism. You can't have it both ways. On 9/9/2014 10:33 AM, GMoney wrote: What is with all these false equivalencies All these arguments of Well, IF she was a man... are completely irrelevant. She's NOT a man. ANd i know we want to treat anything and everything and everyone as equals, but folks, there is simple nature at work hereand human males, generally, are larger and stronger than females. I have no problem with our laws and our general sense of moral decency reflecting that. If a woman half your size attacks you with a slap...you do NOT have the moral right to land a left hook that looked like something out of Tyson's PUnch Out. If that double standard bothers you..deal with it. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Today the wife apologised for her role in the incident. If the wife was an athlete, and stronger than Rice, and the same thing had happened I just don't think that anyone would be blaming her 100% for what happened. There is a total skew when it comes to situations involving violence between a man and a woman. I also did not see two punches. I saw a single slap when she charged him with fists flying. This was not a passive abusive scenario. It also was not a scenario where the wife was fighting back to protect herself, she was the aggressor. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372154 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Wow...just when I thought you could not possibly sink to a lower level, you pull this out of your ass. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I wouldn't slap my wife, but Ray Rice is not me and neither is he obliged to be. If a woman doesn't want to risk being hit by a man, then SHE needs to exercise restraint before she starts a physical confrontation. In today's world of EQUALITY all bets are off at that point. No one should be allowed to attack someone physically and then be exonerated of all guilt and consequences. If you can't win a physical fight, don't start one. That's the safest route a woman can take. On 9/9/2014 10:46 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: The shot that Rice threw wouldn't pass most states reasonable force statutes if he hit a man. All he needed to do to defend himself would be to block her slaps as they came in. This is a no brainer. Rice is guilty of assault. Better question, would you feel justified in knocking your wife/girlfriend /significant other out she slapped you...? If your answer is yes then you've got bigger issues. On Sep 9, 2014 10:38 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Women want equality. They don't want to be treated as weaker. These are the consequences of feminism. You can't have it both ways. On 9/9/2014 10:33 AM, GMoney wrote: What is with all these false equivalencies All these arguments of Well, IF she was a man... are completely irrelevant. She's NOT a man. ANd i know we want to treat anything and everything and everyone as equals, but folks, there is simple nature at work hereand human males, generally, are larger and stronger than females. I have no problem with our laws and our general sense of moral decency reflecting that. If a woman half your size attacks you with a slap...you do NOT have the moral right to land a left hook that looked like something out of Tyson's PUnch Out. If that double standard bothers you..deal with it. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Today the wife apologised for her role in the incident. If the wife was an athlete, and stronger than Rice, and the same thing had happened I just don't think that anyone would be blaming her 100% for what happened. There is a total skew when it comes to situations involving violence between a man and a woman. I also did not see two punches. I saw a single slap when she charged him with fists flying. This was not a passive abusive scenario. It also was not a scenario where the wife was fighting back to protect herself, she was the aggressor. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
They were both charged, but charges against her were dropped and he was ultimately charged with more serious charges. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: She cussed him, spit on him, and then slapped him before getting into the elevator. She was knocked out when her head hit the railing. It wasn't appropriate force, but the fact that they were BOTH charged says something about the overall incident. On 9 September 2014 11:02, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: If a woman doesn't want to risk being hit by a man, then SHE needs to exercise restraint before she starts a physical confrontation. In today's world of EQUALITY all bets are off at that point. No one should be allowed to attack someone physically and then be exonerated of all guilt and consequences. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
No, she was not. Nothing she did warranted being punched in the face. If you disagree, I feel sorry for any women in your life. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, asshole, it reeks of she was asking for trouble. Was she not asking for trouble, asshole? (Your word, Scott) On 9/9/2014 12:53 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: More proof you are an asshole. This reeks of 'she had it coming to her'. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Women want equality. They don't want to be treated as weaker. These are the consequences of feminism. You can't have it both ways. On 9/9/2014 10:33 AM, GMoney wrote: What is with all these false equivalencies All these arguments of Well, IF she was a man... are completely irrelevant. She's NOT a man. ANd i know we want to treat anything and everything and everyone as equals, but folks, there is simple nature at work hereand human males, generally, are larger and stronger than females. I have no problem with our laws and our general sense of moral decency reflecting that. If a woman half your size attacks you with a slap...you do NOT have the moral right to land a left hook that looked like something out of Tyson's PUnch Out. If that double standard bothers you..deal with it. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Today the wife apologised for her role in the incident. If the wife was an athlete, and stronger than Rice, and the same thing had happened I just don't think that anyone would be blaming her 100% for what happened. There is a total skew when it comes to situations involving violence between a man and a woman. I also did not see two punches. I saw a single slap when she charged him with fists flying. This was not a passive abusive scenario. It also was not a scenario where the wife was fighting back to protect herself, she was the aggressor. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372160 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
She got knocked unconscious and you think the assaults are comparable? You are truly a disgusting human being. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scott, you asshole, I'm comparing the assaults. Each should be viewing on their own. What if the woman had done the same thing to another woman? We should be guilty of anything, you asshole? On 9/9/2014 12:50 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: You know what Rick. You are a complete asshole. The assaults are in no way comparative and your attempt to blame the victim is disgusting. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, Judah and Jerry, you're both wrong. I make no equivalency argument, but both were victims of assault. However, both assaults should be treated on their own merits, or lack thereof. Yes, Ray is guilty of his assault and should be punished accordingly, whether he hit a man or a woman. The fact that he hit a woman is of no consequence. The woman, apparently, also hit Ray. Also an assault. She should be punished accordingly. The fact that she was hit harder is of no consequence concerning her behavior. Both were wrong and both should be punished accordingly. If she had hit a very weak man, smaller than her, and knocked him out with the exact same blow(s) as she hit Ray with, should her battery not count against her? Is the determining factor for punishment only the result of the battery? They both were at fault and both should be punished: appropriately. Ray hit her too hard, but she hit first and provoked a response. At some point, enough is enough. Should Ray have waited until she began to hit over the head with a baseball bat, threatening his life, before he responded? Don't twist my meaning. Ray was wrong. She was wrong. Just because she got the worst end of the deal doesn't exonerate her guilt. On 9/8/2014 11:24 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: Ah, gotcha, victime blaming. Yeah, Rick should go to hell. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372162 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
The fact that the charges against her were dropped and that he was charged with more serious charges kind of deflates your argument. If you honestly view this as a qui pro quo, you are a worse human being than I could possibly imagine. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: What was totally unfair. The battery by both should be considered in isolation, according to the violence perpetrated. We can't go down the road of considering the victim of the battery to determine whether the battery is an offense, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 12:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: They were both charged, but charges against her were dropped and he was ultimately charged with more serious charges. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: She cussed him, spit on him, and then slapped him before getting into the elevator. She was knocked out when her head hit the railing. It wasn't appropriate force, but the fact that they were BOTH charged says something about the overall incident. On 9 September 2014 11:02, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: If a woman doesn't want to risk being hit by a man, then SHE needs to exercise restraint before she starts a physical confrontation. In today's world of EQUALITY all bets are off at that point. No one should be allowed to attack someone physically and then be exonerated of all guilt and consequences. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372164 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Whenever I need to deal with misogynistic douche bags like you, I am thankful that I do not have any daughters who would have to deal with bullshit like yours their entire lives. Nothing she did to him warranted being punched in the face. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote the line I wrote stating that the assaults were comparable, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: She got knocked unconscious and you think the assaults are comparable? You are truly a disgusting human being. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scott, you asshole, I'm comparing the assaults. Each should be viewing on their own. What if the woman had done the same thing to another woman? We should be guilty of anything, you asshole? On 9/9/2014 12:50 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: You know what Rick. You are a complete asshole. The assaults are in no way comparative and your attempt to blame the victim is disgusting. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, Judah and Jerry, you're both wrong. I make no equivalency argument, but both were victims of assault. However, both assaults should be treated on their own merits, or lack thereof. Yes, Ray is guilty of his assault and should be punished accordingly, whether he hit a man or a woman. The fact that he hit a woman is of no consequence. The woman, apparently, also hit Ray. Also an assault. She should be punished accordingly. The fact that she was hit harder is of no consequence concerning her behavior. Both were wrong and both should be punished accordingly. If she had hit a very weak man, smaller than her, and knocked him out with the exact same blow(s) as she hit Ray with, should her battery not count against her? Is the determining factor for punishment only the result of the battery? They both were at fault and both should be punished: appropriately. Ray hit her too hard, but she hit first and provoked a response. At some point, enough is enough. Should Ray have waited until she began to hit over the head with a baseball bat, threatening his life, before he responded? Don't twist my meaning. Ray was wrong. She was wrong. Just because she got the worst end of the deal doesn't exonerate her guilt. On 9/8/2014 11:24 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: Ah, gotcha, victime blaming. Yeah, Rick should go to hell. On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372169 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Oh, so when you said it reeks of 'she was asking for trouble' you did not mean to imply that his response was justified? Because that is what you have done - numerous times. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote where I stated this was an appropriate quid pro quo, you asshole. And, our current atmosphere of an unequal playing field for men and women causes serious misjudgements to be made in our courts of law, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: The fact that the charges against her were dropped and that he was charged with more serious charges kind of deflates your argument. If you honestly view this as a qui pro quo, you are a worse human being than I could possibly imagine. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: What was totally unfair. The battery by both should be considered in isolation, according to the violence perpetrated. We can't go down the road of considering the victim of the battery to determine whether the battery is an offense, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 12:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: They were both charged, but charges against her were dropped and he was ultimately charged with more serious charges. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: She cussed him, spit on him, and then slapped him before getting into the elevator. She was knocked out when her head hit the railing. It wasn't appropriate force, but the fact that they were BOTH charged says something about the overall incident. On 9 September 2014 11:02, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: If a woman doesn't want to risk being hit by a man, then SHE needs to exercise restraint before she starts a physical confrontation. In today's world of EQUALITY all bets are off at that point. No one should be allowed to attack someone physically and then be exonerated of all guilt and consequences. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372171 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I think it's cute that you think it is effective to simply echo the last of my insults - multiple times. I do not have any daughters...and it is because of men with attitudes like yours that I grateful I do not. I could not imagine having to watch them deal with people like you on a regular basis. However, I do have 2 sons and I have taught them to respect others, and, unless someone's life is in danger, violence is rarely (if ever) the best option. Oh, yea, and, don't hit women. By saying 'she was looking for trouble' you are blaming her and exonerating him. You are saying his response was justified. You are saying that it is perfectly OK for a 200+lb professional athlete to punch a much smaller woman in the face. You are part of the problem that women in this country have to face every day of their lives. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I see you're expanding your vocabulary, you misogynistic douche bag asshole. Train your daughters, if you have any, to treat men any way they feel like it, and see how much trouble it brings them. Most men, like myself, would simply control them physically to stop their assault, but some men, like Ray, might resort to more violent means. I can hear your advice, now, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, Honey, you can kick, spit on, curse, slap, or hit a man if you want to and he is not allowed to hit you back. If he does, he is totally at fault for what happens to you. You are completely innocent. Give that advice to your daughter, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, and she may end up seriously injured or dead by following your advice. You are the one who, in the end, are the true misogynistic douche bag asshole, by teaching your daughter to live in your fantasy utopia, rather than the real world where violence exists. The answer to this problem can be found in the Bible (you've heard of that, haven't you?), in Ephesians 5:33: Each one of you must love his wife...and the wife must respect her husband. When that happens from both sides, there is peace. What the husband fails to love (care for) his wife, or the wife fails to respect her husband, the bond is broken and trouble brews. Scott, you misogynistic douche bag asshole... On 9/9/2014 1:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Whenever I need to deal with misogynistic douche bags like you, I am thankful that I do not have any daughters who would have to deal with bullshit like yours their entire lives. Nothing she did to him warranted being punched in the face. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote the line I wrote stating that the assaults were comparable, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: She got knocked unconscious and you think the assaults are comparable? You are truly a disgusting human being. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Rick Faircloth \ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372182 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm glad you enjoy me throwing your language back in your face, Scott. Glad it made you think about resorting to such childish behavior. Actually, it made me think about how much you cannot think on your own. Something you have shown in other posts. Now, more to the point... Can you quote me stating that violence is the best option when one's life is not in danger? I do not recall stating that you did, only that it is something we have tried to instill in our children. If you misinterpreted that, I apologize. Can you quote me stating that he she be exonerated because of her aggression? When you said 'she was looking for trouble', that was the implication. Can you quote me stating that is perfectly ok for a 200+lb professional athlete to punch a much smaller woman in the face? When you said 'she was looking for trouble', that was the implication. And finally, would you advice your sons to allow a woman who began to beat them with a baseball bat not to hit the woman if that was the only way to prevent their death? (And this is not to be conflated with the Ray Rice situation...) Other than to get me to admit that it is OK to hit a woman, this has no bearing on the discussion at hand. Ray Rice's life was not in danger. She did not have a baseball bat, or any kind of weapon. He is much bigger and stronger than she is. He needed to show restraint. He did not. Now he is paying the price for his actions. He is lucky that jail time is not likely to com into play. On 9/9/2014 1:37 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I think it's cute that you think it is effective to simply echo the last of my insults - multiple times. I do not have any daughters...and it is because of men with attitudes like yours that I grateful I do not. I could not imagine having to watch them deal with people like you on a regular basis. However, I do have 2 sons and I have taught them to respect others, and, unless someone's life is in danger, violence is rarely (if ever) the best option. Oh, yea, and, don't hit women. By saying 'she was looking for trouble' you are blaming her and exonerating him. You are saying his response was justified. You are saying that it is perfectly OK for a 200+lb professional athlete to punch a much smaller woman in the face. You are part of the problem that women in this country have to face every day of their lives. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I see you're expanding your vocabulary, you misogynistic douche bag asshole. Train your daughters, if you have any, to treat men any way they feel like it, and see how much trouble it brings them. Most men, like myself, would simply control them physically to stop their assault, but some men, like Ray, might resort to more violent means. I can hear your advice, now, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, Honey, you can kick, spit on, curse, slap, or hit a man if you want to and he is not allowed to hit you back. If he does, he is totally at fault for what happens to you. You are completely innocent. Give that advice to your daughter, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, and she may end up seriously injured or dead by following your advice. You are the one who, in the end, are the true misogynistic douche bag asshole, by teaching your daughter to live in your fantasy utopia, rather than the real world where violence exists. The answer to this problem can be found in the Bible (you've heard of that, haven't you?), in Ephesians 5:33: Each one of you must love his wife...and the wife must respect her husband. When that happens from both sides, there is peace. What the husband fails to love (care for) his wife, or the wife fails to respect her husband, the bond is broken and trouble brews. Scott, you misogynistic douche bag asshole... On 9/9/2014 1:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Whenever I need to deal with misogynistic douche bags like you, I am thankful that I do not have any daughters who would have to deal with bullshit like yours their entire lives. Nothing she did to him warranted being punched in the face. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote the line I wrote stating that the assaults were comparable, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: She got knocked unconscious and you think the assaults are comparable? You are truly a disgusting human being. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Rick Faircloth \ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372193
Re: Ray Rice
Wow...you have gone off the deep end. Bruce Lee may have been short, but he was far from 'weak' - I think knowledge if the martial arts would be considered ';strength' regardless of your size. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Can you quote me, Scott, stating that Rice's response was appropriate? And, you're wrong about assault by a smaller, weaker person. Bruce Lee weighed on 135 lbs, smaller than almost anyone beyond the 8th grade today. But he could easily kill anyone on the plant. How are you going to make that judgement in a split-second, that the person attacking you can't hurt you? You have obviously never been attacked. Your survival instinct kicks in and you fight by any means at your disposal to survive. (And this has nothing to do with Ray Rice, it has to do with your weaker, smaller PERSON scenario.) And no, there is no law in any state against self-defense. And no, if a person asks me for money, I wouldn't just shoot him. (I usually give them some money...) But if I said no and that person began to beat me and I couldn't get him to stop, I would draw my weapon and put him down. He made the choice to get shot. On 9/9/2014 1:42 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So your saying that a man shouldn't show restraint if he is kicked, spit on, cursed at etc.? There's that issue of equivalent response again... Let me break it down for you... If someone physically smaller and weaker than me slaps me and I knock them out either by fist or foot, that is not an equivalent response, I will be charged and convicted of asault, no amount of claims of self defense will hold up. If I restrain that person through joint barring or joint lock, or simply walk away I'm in the clear. It's pretty much the same in all fifty States. To take it a step further... An unarmed man approaches you on the street and says give me your money, and you shoot him dead, you're probably going to prison. Why? Because he was unarmed and you didn't have to kill him to get out of the situation. Regardless of what she did, Ray Rice' response wasn't appropriate to the situation. He could have blocked her slaps, restrained her, or simply gotten off the elevator. He chose to knock her out.. Case closed. On Sep 9, 2014 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I see you're expanding your vocabulary, you misogynistic douche bag asshole. Train your daughters, if you have any, to treat men any way they feel like it, and see how much trouble it brings them. Most men, like myself, would simply control them physically to stop their assault, but some men, like Ray, might resort to more violent means. I can hear your advice, now, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, Honey, you can kick, spit on, curse, slap, or hit a man if you want to and he is not allowed to hit you back. If he does, he is totally at fault for what happens to you. You are completely innocent. Give that advice to your daughter, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, and she may end up seriously injured or dead by following your advice. You are the one who, in the end, are the true misogynistic douche bag asshole, by teaching your daughter to live in your fantasy utopia, rather than the real world where violence exists. The answer to this problem can be found in the Bible (you've heard of that, haven't you?), in Ephesians 5:33: Each one of you must love his wife...and the wife must respect her husband. When that happens from both sides, there is peace. What the husband fails to love (care for) his wife, or the wife fails to respect her husband, the bond is broken and trouble brews. Scott, you misogynistic douche bag asshole... On 9/9/2014 1:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Whenever I need to deal with misogynistic douche bags like you, I am thankful that I do not have any daughters who would have to deal with bullshit like yours their entire lives. Nothing she did to him warranted being punched in the face. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote the line I wrote stating that the assaults were comparable, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: She got knocked unconscious and you think the assaults are comparable? You are truly a disgusting human being. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Rick Faircloth \ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You said 'she was looking for trouble' - the implication being that she got it..and it was deserved. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Can you quote me stating that Ray's response was justified? I don't think so, because it wasn't. I imply nothing; you misinterpret my remarks. The problem is on your end. You just don't understand the nuances... On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Oh, so when you said it reeks of 'she was asking for trouble' you did not mean to imply that his response was justified? Because that is what you have done - numerous times. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Quote where I stated this was an appropriate quid pro quo, you asshole. And, our current atmosphere of an unequal playing field for men and women causes serious misjudgements to be made in our courts of law, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 1:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: The fact that the charges against her were dropped and that he was charged with more serious charges kind of deflates your argument. If you honestly view this as a qui pro quo, you are a worse human being than I could possibly imagine. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: What was totally unfair. The battery by both should be considered in isolation, according to the violence perpetrated. We can't go down the road of considering the victim of the battery to determine whether the battery is an offense, you asshole. On 9/9/2014 12:55 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: They were both charged, but charges against her were dropped and he was ultimately charged with more serious charges. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: She cussed him, spit on him, and then slapped him before getting into the elevator. She was knocked out when her head hit the railing. It wasn't appropriate force, but the fact that they were BOTH charged says something about the overall incident. On 9 September 2014 11:02, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: If a woman doesn't want to risk being hit by a man, then SHE needs to exercise restraint before she starts a physical confrontation. In today's world of EQUALITY all bets are off at that point. No one should be allowed to attack someone physically and then be exonerated of all guilt and consequences. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372217 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You wouldn't...unless, of course it is someone who you will be marrying. Then, I would like to think you would know. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: And how are you going to determine whether or not your aggressor knows martial arts or not before you make you decision to defend yourself? Or perhaps your aggressor has a knife you have not seen and is about to stick it straight into your gut. Are you going to pass out a questionnaire before you respond. I'll shoot first and ask questions later. I choose not to take the chance that my children and grandchildren will be left without a father or grandfather before risking my life before responding to someone who might be trying to kill me. I hope you get to live in your fantasy world for a long time, Scott. Because if you're ever confronted by the real world, you won't survive for long. On 9/9/2014 1:57 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Wow...you have gone off the deep end. Bruce Lee may have been short, but he was far from 'weak' - I think knowledge if the martial arts would be considered ';strength' regardless of your size. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Can you quote me, Scott, stating that Rice's response was appropriate? And, you're wrong about assault by a smaller, weaker person. Bruce Lee weighed on 135 lbs, smaller than almost anyone beyond the 8th grade today. But he could easily kill anyone on the plant. How are you going to make that judgement in a split-second, that the person attacking you can't hurt you? You have obviously never been attacked. Your survival instinct kicks in and you fight by any means at your disposal to survive. (And this has nothing to do with Ray Rice, it has to do with your weaker, smaller PERSON scenario.) And no, there is no law in any state against self-defense. And no, if a person asks me for money, I wouldn't just shoot him. (I usually give them some money...) But if I said no and that person began to beat me and I couldn't get him to stop, I would draw my weapon and put him down. He made the choice to get shot. On 9/9/2014 1:42 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So your saying that a man shouldn't show restraint if he is kicked, spit on, cursed at etc.? There's that issue of equivalent response again... Let me break it down for you... If someone physically smaller and weaker than me slaps me and I knock them out either by fist or foot, that is not an equivalent response, I will be charged and convicted of asault, no amount of claims of self defense will hold up. If I restrain that person through joint barring or joint lock, or simply walk away I'm in the clear. It's pretty much the same in all fifty States. To take it a step further... An unarmed man approaches you on the street and says give me your money, and you shoot him dead, you're probably going to prison. Why? Because he was unarmed and you didn't have to kill him to get out of the situation. Regardless of what she did, Ray Rice' response wasn't appropriate to the situation. He could have blocked her slaps, restrained her, or simply gotten off the elevator. He chose to knock her out.. Case closed. On Sep 9, 2014 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I see you're expanding your vocabulary, you misogynistic douche bag asshole. Train your daughters, if you have any, to treat men any way they feel like it, and see how much trouble it brings them. Most men, like myself, would simply control them physically to stop their assault, but some men, like Ray, might resort to more violent means. I can hear your advice, now, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, Honey, you can kick, spit on, curse, slap, or hit a man if you want to and he is not allowed to hit you back. If he does, he is totally at fault for what happens to you. You are completely innocent. Give that advice to your daughter, you misogynistic douche bag asshole, and she may end up seriously injured or dead by following your advice. You are the one who, in the end, are the true misogynistic douche bag asshole, by teaching your daughter to live in your fantasy utopia, rather than the real world where violence exists. The answer to this problem can be found in the Bible (you've heard of that, haven't you?), in Ephesians 5:33: Each one of you must love his wife...and the wife must respect her husband. When that happens from both sides, there is peace. What the husband fails to love (care for) his wife, or the wife fails to respect her husband, the bond is broken and trouble brews. Scott, you misogynistic douche bag asshole... On 9/9/2014 1:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Whenever I need to deal with misogynistic douche bags like you, I am thankful that I do not have
Re: Ray Rice
And we are all extremely happy that you did. Good to know that the 1950's attitude towards women is not dead yet. Shows we still have some work to do. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Well, I've just reached a point with the implosion of our society that it's time to speak up and take a stand. On 9/9/2014 2:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: Angel, a long term member of the list. On Sep 9, 2014 2:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scout, what goes gellie mean? I couldn't find a definition I was sure you're using. On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: I'm more surprised by gellie personally. On Sep 9, 2014 11:25 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: My opinion of some people on this list has changed...not for the better. Agreed. There are no words. I cannot fathom even knowing someone having the same attitude as Rick. Perhaps she should not have slapped him, but couples argue and get into minor altercations. It happens. Even if she was punching him as hard as she could repeatedly, that is no excuse to knock her out cold. Remember that Jay-Z video in an elevator, Beyonce's sister attacking him. He stepped back, she was not hurting him. He did not knock her out cold. Rick you are completely on the wrong side of this argument and you look like an asshole for it. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: On 9/9/2014 1:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm glad you enjoy me throwing your language back in your face, Scott. Glad it made you think about resorting to such childish behavior. Actually, it made me think about how much you cannot think on your own. Something you have shown in other posts. Your right, I do have trouble being original when it comes to childish insults... Your lack or originality is not limited to insults...take your stance on any political issue..right out of the Conservative Playbook. Good job, Rush and the others would be extremely proud. Now, more to the point... Can you quote me stating that violence is the best option when one's life is not in danger? I do not recall stating that you did, only that it is something we have tried to instill in our children. If you misinterpreted that, I apologize. You should apologize, since you have continuously misinterpreted my words. Wait...you misinterpreted my words and I apologize means I need to apologize when I misinterpret yours? That there is some special logic.. Can you quote me stating that he she be exonerated because of her aggression? When you said 'she was looking for trouble', that was the implication. No implication on my part. I state what I mean, exactly. Your own refusal to understand common English causes your bias towards my remarks. Deny it all you want, the implication was there. 'She was looking for trouble'...and she found it, right? Can you quote me stating that is perfectly ok for a 200+lb professional athlete to punch a much smaller woman in the face? When you said 'she was looking for trouble', that was the implication. See my states above in response. And finally, would you advice your sons to allow a woman who began to beat them with a baseball bat not to hit the woman if that was the only way to prevent their death? (And this is not to be conflated with the Ray Rice situation...) Other than to get me to admit that it is OK to hit a woman, this has no bearing on the discussion at hand. I'm trying to determine if your don't hit a female applies under every circumstance or only in times that you determine appropriate. In other words, do you have situational ethics or consistent ethics. If someone is being beaten with a baseball bat, I think that would, in most cases, fall under the 'life at risk' clause that previously stated. Ray Rice's life was not in danger. She did not have a baseball bat, or any kind of weapon. He is much bigger and stronger than she is. He needed to show restraint. He did not. Now he is paying the price for his actions. He is lucky that jail time is not likely to com into play. Didn't I mention that the baseball bat scenario had nothing to do with the Ray Rice situation? It was simply a means to determine the level of your convictions. But it did have something to do with Ray Rice...why else bring it up in a conversation about Ray Rice? -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, asshole, it reeks of she was asking for trouble. When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed provocatively? -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:37 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his fiance unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way. As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself by shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right? I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she was asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how she was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a man the right to rape her. However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to defend himself. In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to defend herself. On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, asshole, it reeks of she was asking for trouble. When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed provocatively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372233 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:34 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: You have no concept of proportional response. I'd say she paid for whatever minor infractions led to this. And then some. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Was not inferring anything, I asked for clarification because it seemed like that is what you were saying. This was not a stranger, this was his fiance. So, your 'dangerous stranger' hypothetical is irrelevant and a pathetic attempt to push the blame on the victim. For the third time, I do not have daughters. If I did, would not want them to dress provocatively for a myriad of reasons. Among them is the fact that people might consider it an invitation because she would be 'looking for trouble'. Though, I am not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand. How would you feel if it was your daughter that Ray Rice dragged out of the elevator? Would you still think she was 'looking for trouble'? On Sep 9, 2014 6:54 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop inferring from my remarks. I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I would not even hit my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a stranger, even a woman, appeared to me to be a mortal threat, the stranger would be shot. For instance, if she came at me with a knife or a gun, she would be shot. I'm not going to take the chance of getting killed to avoid shooting someone. She attacked and provoked a response. What should I do? Just allow her to kill me? But, concerning dressing provocatively: didn't you say you have daughters, Scott? Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, why not? On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his fiance unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way. As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself by shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right? I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she was asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how she was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a man the right to rape her. However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to defend himself. In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to defend herself. On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, asshole, it reeks of she was asking for trouble. When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed provocatively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372273 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Ray Rice
Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? On Sep 9, 2014 8:13 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Personally I think they should both be castigated for using violence. I don't know if I would necessarily call her a victim...she looks like she was able to beat the crap out of him in return...not to excuse what he did...both should have assault charges filed. Unless it can be shown that she was purely defending herself...that is the standard that police use. If both parties are hitting each other...both parties get arrested to sort it out. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Ray Rice Days... On Sep 9, 2014 7:33 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/nfl-commissioner-goodell-does-no t-rule -out-ray-rice-return-to-football-he-has-paid-the-price/ -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop inferring from my remarks. I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I would not even hit my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a stranger, even a woman, appeared to me to be a mortal threat, the stranger would be shot. For instance, if she came at me with a knife or a gun, she would be shot. I'm not going to take the chance of getting killed to avoid shooting someone. She attacked and provoked a response. What should I do? Just allow her to kill me? But, concerning dressing provocatively: didn't you say you have daughters, Scott? Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, why not? On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his fiance unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way. As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself by shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right? I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she was asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how she was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a man the right to rape her. However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to defend himself. In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to defend herself. On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: No, asshole, it reeks of she was asking for trouble. When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed provocatively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372288 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372291 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372299 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the situation. There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional athletes realize that. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion
Re: Ray Rice
No..they were not. He was not a victimof anything. And to try and paint him as such shows how misogynistic you really are. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: They *both* were victims of assault. If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray Rice, and did the same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she be charged with assault? Of course she should. The both did things that were wrong. On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think they were also 'looking for trouble'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372318 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's fiance, right? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Oh, bull, Maureen. You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with some cases of abuse. What hubris... On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his soon-to-be wife in the face. I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person who the the punch. Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of mind is/was. On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The intervention of the media did nothing to help the couple or their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs to be viewed objectively. Remove the knockout , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving you to much credit. I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would ever consider. To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It just does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - apparently, I am not the only one. I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the victim? On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. I wonder
Re: Ray Rice
Pretty sure he just earned my first ever filter. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Rick managed to promote himself to my second ever kill filter on this list, after Sam. Life's too short to deal with shit like this, ya know? Pity, but there it is. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: And we are all extremely happy that you did. Good to know that the 1950's attitude towards women is not dead yet. Shows we still have some work to do. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Well, I've just reached a point with the implosion of our society that it's time to speak up and take a stand. On 9/9/2014 2:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: Angel, a long term member of the list. On Sep 9, 2014 2:27 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Scout, what goes gellie mean? I couldn't find a definition I was sure you're using. On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: I'm more surprised by gellie personally. On Sep 9, 2014 11:25 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: My opinion of some people on this list has changed...not for the better. Agreed. There are no words. I cannot fathom even knowing someone having the same attitude as Rick. Perhaps she should not have slapped him, but couples argue and get into minor altercations. It happens. Even if she was punching him as hard as she could repeatedly, that is no excuse to knock her out cold. Remember that Jay-Z video in an elevator, Beyonce's sister attacking him. He stepped back, she was not hurting him. He did not knock her out cold. Rick you are completely on the wrong side of this argument and you look like an asshole for it. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372320 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: change to hosts not resolving - windows 8
Are you using http:// in the address bar? If not, try that. On Aug 28, 2014 7:32 PM, Matthew Smith chedders...@gmail.com wrote: I have this in hosts: 127.0.0.1 theartoflovingcatsanddogsdotcom but I am just getting goolge results. where am I wrong? -- Regards, chedder is bedder ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372002 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Football Season
I looked into this last season (the last few seasons, actually) and I could not find any legal ways to watch 'out of market games' (other than 'Games of the week' on CBS and Fox) without DirecTV. On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote: Hello everyone! Yeah, I'm still lurking ... did ya miss me? ;) Didn't think so :P So football season is almost here, and we're almost ready to cut the cord on Dish or any form of TV subscription and switch to either Apple or Amazon as a solution. We don't watch anything live, and I want to save the $125 a month. That said... football season is almost here :( What are my options to watching live football? AT HOME. I don't care if I have to pay a nominal fee for a streaming service, etc. So I am not only looking for a free solution... just one that I don't know about that may exist somewhere. As a caveat: I DO NOT - repeat - DO NOT have access to UVerse or Cable. Our only options here in the boonies are satellite services. Thanks!! -E ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: RIP Robin Williams...
Rest in peace, O, Captain. My Captain. On Aug 11, 2014 7:46 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: *twisting my ears* Nanoo Nanoo brother... He died of an apparent suicide. :-( ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sometimes...
Having them 'attend' the scrum is fine. Having them disrupt the scrum with stuff that is 'outside of scope' for scrum is not. As contractors, we should not simply give the client what they ask for (often times, what they as for is not what they want). We should guide the client to what is best for the project. This includes letting them know that for an 'agile' process, it is not best for the project if they attend the meeting and take things off the rails. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:17 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this. It's true that sometimes if a client wants something done a certain way, even if you now it's wrong, you just have to do it. However, if the client is asking me to do something systemically and fundamentally wrong that will destroy my soul and make me want to slowly kill myself by eating glass shards... Those things I will not do. You are the only person in control of your destiny. I love ya Cam, but that's a little melodramatic. I'm not talking about contract killings here...just clients who want to attend my daily standups. Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371936 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sometimes...
We do scrum on the phone - should I stand up when it is my turn? :D On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: It's meant to be taken literally, i believe. You want people standing because studies have shown people are more engaged when they are standing up, as opposed to sitting. Also you don't want people getting comfortable.while standing you are more inclined to get to the point so you can get out of there and sit back down. So, I think it IS meant to be taken literally. It is here. (My team doesn't stand...but we don't do true Agile...we just borrow the parts of it that I can tolerate) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, I always thought that was a euphemismâ¦..we just turn our chairs around and circle up. I think some managers are taking it a little too literally On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Uhmmm that's kind of unnecessary, we never physically stand at our stand ups. On Aug 5, 2014 10:41 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I also have an issue with this gimmicky stand up crap...way to make a disabled person stand out and feel singled out...i always feel uncomfortable in those because everyone else is standing up and I have to sit down. -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:18 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sometimes... On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with this. It's true that sometimes if a client wants something done a certain way, even if you now it's wrong, you just have to do it. However, if the client is asking me to do something systemically and fundamentally wrong that will destroy my soul and make me want to slowly kill myself by eating glass shards... Those things I will not do. You are the only person in control of your destiny. I love ya Cam, but that's a little melodramatic. I'm not talking about contract killings here...just clients who want to attend my daily standups. Annoying, non-Agilebut not exactly soul crushing :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371937 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sometimes...
I guess my point should have been: If you don't follow the guidelines for something, it is not really fair to complain about it when things go wrong. There are parts of 'agile' I loathe. Other parts I like - scrum being one of them, I find it keeps me focused more on what needs to be done. But I won't fault 'agile' if we only follow some of the guidelines and things go south. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Having them 'attend' the scrum is fine. Having them disrupt the scrum with stuff that is 'outside of scope' for scrum is not. As contractors, we should not simply give the client what they ask for (often times, what they as for is not what they want). We should guide the client to what is best for the project. This includes letting them know that for an 'agile' process, it is not best for the project if they attend the meeting and take things off the rails. Mehi don't see the point in trying to conform a project to a methodology, as opposed to the other way around. My project is a high visibility, highly critical, rapidly changing project. The needs and requirements change almost daily. As such, client input can be necessary daily. So they asked to use our scrums for that. Seems stupid for me to say No, Agile doesn't work that way Seems more reasonable to say Our project is pretty unique, let's adapt Agile to work the way we need it. So that's how we scrum, and we make it work. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371941 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sometimes...
I hear ya. That is why I don't go to planning meetings. The PM does and then we discuss what work needs to be done. On Aug 5, 2014 4:19 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: I just don't like the planning meetings...which i'm in as we speak, going on it's 5th hour. That's all. My only complaint. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I guess my point should have been: If you don't follow the guidelines for something, it is not really fair to complain about it when things go wrong. There are parts of 'agile' I loathe. Other parts I like - scrum being one of them, I find it keeps me focused more on what needs to be done. But I won't fault 'agile' if we only follow some of the guidelines and things go south. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Having them 'attend' the scrum is fine. Having them disrupt the scrum with stuff that is 'outside of scope' for scrum is not. As contractors, we should not simply give the client what they ask for (often times, what they as for is not what they want). We should guide the client to what is best for the project. This includes letting them know that for an 'agile' process, it is not best for the project if they attend the meeting and take things off the rails. Mehi don't see the point in trying to conform a project to a methodology, as opposed to the other way around. My project is a high visibility, highly critical, rapidly changing project. The needs and requirements change almost daily. As such, client input can be necessary daily. So they asked to use our scrums for that. Seems stupid for me to say No, Agile doesn't work that way Seems more reasonable to say Our project is pretty unique, let's adapt Agile to work the way we need it. So that's how we scrum, and we make it work. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371944 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Sometimes...
Againif you spend that much time in meetings, you are not doing 'agile' correctly. On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: AMEN!!! Our shop is going full blown Agile, and the meetings are driving me nuts. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: LoL, that is priceless. I'm so glad our team isn't agile. Waste of frigging time that is... 2 days a sprint wasted to meetings. Working with the agile process I see LOL -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:14 PM To: cf-community Subject: Sometimes... Sorry, have to vent. Work's being a bit more bang head here-ish than usual. Guess the next skills I need to develop to advance my career are telepathy, time travel and insomnia. Happy Friday, folks! Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371909 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
