encrypted files
hi everyone, any suggestion about this would be very much appreciated. I have been given some work to make some changes to an existing site and all the .cfm and .cfc files are encrypted. The original developers are REFUSING to supply us with the decrypted version even though the client says they own the site/pages which they paid big bucks for. The developers say yes the client does own the pages but only in encrypted format which to me means owning a car which has no body or engine. I've tried this tool http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetailextid=1007043 but all files became 0KB with nothing in them. What can I(we) do? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348030 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: encrypted files
there are some decryption tools out there, but they are pretty old and do not work with files encrypted with current version of CF. I would ask your client to review their contract with the original developers and see if it does state that they will only provide the encrypted files. It the contract states that all code is owned by the client and does not expressly stated encrypted only then they don't think they have much of a leg to stand on and your client could threaten them with legal action base don the fact that they are in breach of their contract. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Akos Fortagh akos.fort...@yahoo.com wrote: hi everyone, any suggestion about this would be very much appreciated. I have been given some work to make some changes to an existing site and all the .cfm and .cfc files are encrypted. The original developers are REFUSING to supply us with the decrypted version even though the client says they own the site/pages which they paid big bucks for. The developers say yes the client does own the pages but only in encrypted format which to me means owning a car which has no body or engine. I've tried this tool http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetailextid=1007043 but all files became 0KB with nothing in them. What can I(we) do? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: encrypted files
No, this is entirely legal, depending upon the initial contract. The client may have the right to use the code for as long as they wish, but the intellectual property of that code remains within the sole ownership of the developer. It is not uncommon at all. Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 10/10/2011 8:54 AM, Akos Fortagh wrote: hi everyone, any suggestion about this would be very much appreciated. I have been given some work to make some changes to an existing site and all the .cfm and .cfc files are encrypted. The original developers are REFUSING to supply us with the decrypted version even though the client says they own the site/pages which they paid big bucks for. The developers say yes the client does own the pages but only in encrypted format which to me means owning a car which has no body or engine. I've tried this tool http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetailextid=1007043 but all files became 0KB with nothing in them. What can I(we) do? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348032 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hiding email address from spiders
Hi Al I replaced all email addresses with a coldfusion email form and then started getting a bunch of automated spam. Putting in an image based challenge that the sender must manually replicate stopped all the spam dead. The form is at http://www.clergyleadership.com/email.cfm Rob I had the same problem.. what I did is store the email addresses in a database and then replace the email link with a link to a feedback form on your website. When people want to email someone, they click the link, fill out and submit the form. They never get to see the actual email address. In my case, I needed to stop the recipients from getting spam, so I have the emails going into a queue where I have to approve them before they are sent. I check it every few hours - just a page of all of the emails. Usually easy to spot bad ones.. and I have a radio button for send / delete next to each one. Takes a few minutes a day. and got rid of 100% of spam to the recipients. I just use an autonumber to link them, but you can use a UUID so people can't easily guess the sequence. ( I use a form field to make it a little harder.) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: encrypted files
Don't do anything else without your lawyer going over the original contract under which the software was supplied. The original devs may be correct and for all you know your current clients may be attempting to have you violate copyright. -- Shu Ha Ri: Agile and .NET blog http://www.bifrost.com.au/ On 10 October 2011 20:54, Akos Fortagh akos.fort...@yahoo.com wrote: hi everyone, any suggestion about this would be very much appreciated. I have been given some work to make some changes to an existing site and all the .cfm and .cfc files are encrypted. The original developers are REFUSING to supply us with the decrypted version even though the client says they own the site/pages which they paid big bucks for. The developers say yes the client does own the pages but only in encrypted format which to me means owning a car which has no body or engine. I've tried this tool http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetailextid=1007043but all files became 0KB with nothing in them. What can I(we) do? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
So the spirit of your question seems to be can you replicate sessions without software load balancing? The basic answer is that you can't. Session replication is a function of the CF load balancing features. However, there are other ways to read your question. If you are asking if you can swap sessions around without allowing your coldfusion servers to have software-based failover, I am not completely sure about that. It seems like something that should be possible, but I can't think of how, it's been a couple versions and a few years since I've managed clustered servers. Do you really want to disable software failover, though? It will be more intelligent than your hardware failover. Finally, I want to point out that session replication is typically a bad idea. It will eat up your network bandwidth and feast on your CPUs. It will have all your available memory for dessert. If one of your servers crashes because it is out of RAM, the other one will do the same. So how do you get around it? Obviously sticky sessions on your HWLB is the first step. But assuming your servers will crash, how do your replicate session data? There are lots of ways, and it depends on your application and what the application rules are for what data to store where. Sometimes session data can just be discarded and lost - things like saved search criteria. Sometimes you can rebuild it from data in your database - you just need a link from the session to the user information; you could use a cookie or put it in your database. You can also take advantage of CF's caching engine, Ehcache, which can do clustered cache, in memory, on disk, even state servers, and combinations of these all. Don't use client variables... just... don't. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Brad Parker bpar...@uhlig.com wrote: Here's a question hopefully someone can answer. Is it possible to use session replication to multiple instances on different physical servers without having to use CF load-balancing? We have a hardware load balancer in front of the web servers. I would like hardware appliance to handle the load-balancing and failover in the event a failure. All I want CF to do is replicate the sessions so they are available on the other servers if the load balancer marks a server as unavailable. Is this possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
Over the years I have found session replication to be very network intensive between the machines. I wrote a session persistence tag that drops it to a database and rebuilds it as necessary. It works well if you don't go changing your session scope on every page and you don't have too much in there. http://sessionswap.riaforge.org/ I recently refactored this to use some stored procedures that just do a SELECT for the reads and an INSERT for the writes (got rid of the updates) I then have another job that cleans up the old session data every 5 minutes. It works very well with 6,000 concurrent users. You could do the same in a short amount of work. John Blayter Land line: 303.731.3009 Mobile: 303.325.1979 http://www.blayter.com/john/ Denver ColdFusion User Group Manager http://denvercfug.org/ On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Nathan Strutz str...@gmail.com wrote: So the spirit of your question seems to be can you replicate sessions without software load balancing? The basic answer is that you can't. Session replication is a function of the CF load balancing features. However, there are other ways to read your question. If you are asking if you can swap sessions around without allowing your coldfusion servers to have software-based failover, I am not completely sure about that. It seems like something that should be possible, but I can't think of how, it's been a couple versions and a few years since I've managed clustered servers. Do you really want to disable software failover, though? It will be more intelligent than your hardware failover. Finally, I want to point out that session replication is typically a bad idea. It will eat up your network bandwidth and feast on your CPUs. It will have all your available memory for dessert. If one of your servers crashes because it is out of RAM, the other one will do the same. So how do you get around it? Obviously sticky sessions on your HWLB is the first step. But assuming your servers will crash, how do your replicate session data? There are lots of ways, and it depends on your application and what the application rules are for what data to store where. Sometimes session data can just be discarded and lost - things like saved search criteria. Sometimes you can rebuild it from data in your database - you just need a link from the session to the user information; you could use a cookie or put it in your database. You can also take advantage of CF's caching engine, Ehcache, which can do clustered cache, in memory, on disk, even state servers, and combinations of these all. Don't use client variables... just... don't. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Brad Parker bpar...@uhlig.com wrote: Here's a question hopefully someone can answer. Is it possible to use session replication to multiple instances on different physical servers without having to use CF load-balancing? We have a hardware load balancer in front of the web servers. I would like hardware appliance to handle the load-balancing and failover in the event a failure. All I want CF to do is replicate the sessions so they are available on the other servers if the load balancer marks a server as unavailable. Is this possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348036 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
autosuggest event with angle brackets
I have a form field that needs to hold firstname lastname emailaddress and
I would like to use an autosuggest event to make it work. The problem is the
angle brackets: I can get the autosuggest list to look right if I send it the
suggested values using lt;/gt; but then it returns the lt;/gt; inside the
field content. Is there some javascript I can use to replace the returned value
with the version that uses the real angle brackets?
Here's the test version of the code I'm using, adapted from the cf docs:
html
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
head
cfajaximport tags=cfinput-autosuggest
script
var init = function()
{
autosuggestobj =
ColdFusion.Autosuggest.getAutosuggestObject('nameemail');
autosuggestobj.itemSelectEvent.subscribe(foo);
}
var foo = function(event,args)
{
var msg = ;
msg = msg + Event: + event + \n\n;
msg = msg + Selected Item: + args[2] + \n\n;
msg = msg + Index: + args[1]._nItemIndex + \n\n;
var newmsg = msg.replace(lt;,); //just playing w/replace
var newnewmsg = newmsg.replace(gt;,);
alert(newnewmsg);
}
var getName = function(){
return [Joe Smith lt;joesm...@.comgt;,Jane Smythe
lt;jsmy...@456.comgt; ,Jon Gggg lt;j...@jgjg.netgt;,Clyde Farmer
lt;clydefar...@z.comgt;,Alka Seltzer
lt;aselt...@amazzz.comgt;,Pendant Hang lt;ph...@claws.comgt;,Penny Utah
lt;pu...@zyxwvut.netgt;,Amy Winston lt;awins...@gluggg.orggt;];
}
/script
/head
body
center
h3Attaching an event handler to the autosuggest object/h3
cfform name=mycfform method=post
Name:br /
cfinput
type=text
name=nameemail
size=40
autosuggest=javascript:getName({cfautosuggestvalue})
autosuggestMinLength=1
autosuggestBindDelay=1
ifirst last lt;emailgt;/i
cfset ajaxOnLoad(init)
/cfform
/center
/body
/html
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RE: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
Ditto to Nate's comments. When you think about it you can imagine the challenges for yourself. To truly do session replication you need enough physical memory to devise heaps big enough for any one instance in the cluster to store all the sessions (it's own and the replicated ones) for all the other instances in the cluster. So if your sessions take up a modest 256 megs (for example) and you have 4 machines then each machine will need a gig just for replicated sessions. Meanwhile, network traffic increases exponentially with each cluster member due to session info flying back and forth between the various instances... so you probably should put session traffic on it's own network (multi-homed machines and private subnet perhaps) then there is the computation power it takes to keep it all in synch... over all it's functional on a small scale but does not scale upward very well - as each new instance has an exponential increase on the resource required. -Mark Mark Kruger - CFG CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com O: 402.408.3733 x105 E: mkru...@cfwebtools.com Skype: markakruger -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication So the spirit of your question seems to be can you replicate sessions without software load balancing? The basic answer is that you can't. Session replication is a function of the CF load balancing features. However, there are other ways to read your question. If you are asking if you can swap sessions around without allowing your coldfusion servers to have software-based failover, I am not completely sure about that. It seems like something that should be possible, but I can't think of how, it's been a couple versions and a few years since I've managed clustered servers. Do you really want to disable software failover, though? It will be more intelligent than your hardware failover. Finally, I want to point out that session replication is typically a bad idea. It will eat up your network bandwidth and feast on your CPUs. It will have all your available memory for dessert. If one of your servers crashes because it is out of RAM, the other one will do the same. So how do you get around it? Obviously sticky sessions on your HWLB is the first step. But assuming your servers will crash, how do your replicate session data? There are lots of ways, and it depends on your application and what the application rules are for what data to store where. Sometimes session data can just be discarded and lost - things like saved search criteria. Sometimes you can rebuild it from data in your database - you just need a link from the session to the user information; you could use a cookie or put it in your database. You can also take advantage of CF's caching engine, Ehcache, which can do clustered cache, in memory, on disk, even state servers, and combinations of these all. Don't use client variables... just... don't. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Brad Parker bpar...@uhlig.com wrote: Here's a question hopefully someone can answer. Is it possible to use session replication to multiple instances on different physical servers without having to use CF load-balancing? We have a hardware load balancer in front of the web servers. I would like hardware appliance to handle the load-balancing and failover in the event a failure. All I want CF to do is replicate the sessions so they are available on the other servers if the load balancer marks a server as unavailable. Is this possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348038 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: autosuggest event with angle brackets
Edit: well that didn't come through at all clear. What I'm trying to say is that I need to pass the and-lt-semi and and-gt-semi (the html format version of the less than and greater than signs) inside of the list in order to get the autosuggest list to display them as angle brackets, but I don't want and-lt-semi and and-gt-semi to appear in the form field returned. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
If you really need to have scope shared across servers you can use a distributed EHCache implementation. That way the shared data can even be offloaded from the app servers onto its own set of servers. Instead of just accessing everything via session. in your application you'd use a facade to the shared cache data and key it off of the user's session cookie. Rob Brooks-Bilson has written quite a bit about setting up distributed EHCache. Cheers, .jonah On 10/10/11 1:25 PM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Ditto to Nate's comments. When you think about it you can imagine the challenges for yourself. To truly do session replication you need enough physical memory to devise heaps big enough for any one instance in the cluster to store all the sessions (it's own and the replicated ones) for all the other instances in the cluster. So if your sessions take up a modest 256 megs (for example) and you have 4 machines then each machine will need a gig just for replicated sessions. Meanwhile, network traffic increases exponentially with each cluster member due to session info flying back and forth between the various instances... so you probably should put session traffic on it's own network (multi-homed machines and private subnet perhaps) then there is the computation power it takes to keep it all in synch... over all it's functional on a small scale but does not scale upward very well - as each new instance has an exponential increase on the resource required. -Mark Mark Kruger - CFG CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com O: 402.408.3733 x105 E: mkru...@cfwebtools.com Skype: markakruger -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication So the spirit of your question seems to be can you replicate sessions without software load balancing? The basic answer is that you can't. Session replication is a function of the CF load balancing features. However, there are other ways to read your question. If you are asking if you can swap sessions around without allowing your coldfusion servers to have software-based failover, I am not completely sure about that. It seems like something that should be possible, but I can't think of how, it's been a couple versions and a few years since I've managed clustered servers. Do you really want to disable software failover, though? It will be more intelligent than your hardware failover. Finally, I want to point out that session replication is typically a bad idea. It will eat up your network bandwidth and feast on your CPUs. It will have all your available memory for dessert. If one of your servers crashes because it is out of RAM, the other one will do the same. So how do you get around it? Obviously sticky sessions on your HWLB is the first step. But assuming your servers will crash, how do your replicate session data? There are lots of ways, and it depends on your application and what the application rules are for what data to store where. Sometimes session data can just be discarded and lost - things like saved search criteria. Sometimes you can rebuild it from data in your database - you just need a link from the session to the user information; you could use a cookie or put it in your database. You can also take advantage of CF's caching engine, Ehcache, which can do clustered cache, in memory, on disk, even state servers, and combinations of these all. Don't use client variables... just... don't. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Brad Parkerbpar...@uhlig.com wrote: Here's a question hopefully someone can answer. Is it possible to use session replication to multiple instances on different physical servers without having to use CF load-balancing? We have a hardware load balancer in front of the web servers. I would like hardware appliance to handle the load-balancing and failover in the event a failure. All I want CF to do is replicate the sessions so they are available on the other servers if the load balancer marks a server as unavailable. Is this possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348040 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: encrypted files
On 10/10/2011 10:41 AM, James Holmes wrote: Don't do anything else without your lawyer going over the original contract under which the software was supplied. The original devs may be correct and for all you know your current clients may be attempting to have you violate copyright. This is great advice for all developers when dealing with clients. The client may feel they are in the right, but the contract may say otherwise. No matter what, it looks like you could be the man in the middle of a legal mess if you would decrypt the source and provide it back to the client. My suggestion, run away! -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348041 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
One option is to use client vars, but they cannot store complex vars and changing from session to client scope is a PITA in any sizeable app. here is one trick I have used. as u know there is a cookie on the users machine which identifies the session, it contains the cfid and cftoken or JessionID if your using that, Whenever a session is created/changed, dump the contents out to WDDX or JSON file on a network shared resource using the info form the cookie as the filename. If the session cookie exists but the data doesn't exist, check for this this file and load it if it does exist. In addition this also provides you with you with session storage in case cf dies, the users do not lose their session data as it will be reloaded when cf restarts. Don't forget to run a schedule to cleanup old files. HTH Russ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ColdFusion 9 Session Replication
One option is to use client vars, but they cannot store complex vars and changing from session to client scope is a PITA in any sizeable app. ... here is one trick I have used. Interesting discussion so far. I'm surprised nobody has brought up what seems to be the obvious solution, at least in my opinion: persist to the database. My personal opinion is that if something is important enough to store as part of a session, it's probably important enough to throw back to the database and store with the user's profile/account in perpetuity. My approach has usually been to store any settings or session data to the database at the point it's set/created and reload it with each page request as part of normal operations. The applications I generally work on are very data-intensive so one additional query to grab user preferences and other session-like data is trivial in the grand scheme of things. This won't work if you're trying to persist complex objects in the session scope, of course, but it's a limitation I can live in my applications. It's a small price to pay knowing that an app can seamlessly scale from one to two to 300 servers without code changes around session management or dealing with special cache servers or clustering systems. In any case, find a solution that works for your needs and run with it. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
