Variables
Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351200 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
If it's a local variable in a function, you'll scope it as local.varname If it's a local variable in a CFM page, you'll scope it as variables.varname if it's in the request scope, then it's request.varname if it's in the session, then it's session.varname application, application.varname form, form.varname ad nauseum.. On 5/16/2012 9:26 AM, N kips wrote: Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Variables
If the var is used only within a single program a regular local var is fine. If the var needs to persist and be recalled from another program later (i.e., a program where the var is not passed as a URL or form value), then use the session.var. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
The larger question here is developing an understanding of the scopes available in ColdFusion and why you would or wouldn't use them. This is a very fundamental thing that's quite important to understand in order to develop quality ColdFusion applications. Before continuing I'd recommend reading the following: Adobe ColdFusion 9 * Scope types http://adobe.ly/KfuPoP Adobe ColdFusion 9 * Using scopes http://adobe.ly/KfuYsi Adobe ColdFusion 9 * CFC variables and scope http://adobe.ly/Kfv5E5 Hope that helps... -Cameron On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM, N kips nich...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel
Hello Byron and everyone, Do you have any idea how long it will be before they release the final version of WSP with this enhancement? Thanks for the information. Peter Donahue - Original Message - From: Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:32 AM Subject: Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel Looks like WSP just released a beta with 2012 support, may want to check into upgrading. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com On May 15, 2012 10:44 AM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.com wrote: Good morning everyone, Last week I had my VPS provider upgrade Microsoft SQL 2008 to Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Web Edition. I'm using Web Site Panel to manage the server and hosted Web sites. If we're to use a database to provide access to information for site visitors we need to create the database, the users, and to connect to the database via OBDC. After some tinkering around by myself and some research by the VPS provider we discovered that the current version of Web Site Panel does not yet support MSSQLS2012. The Web Edition of MSSQL2012 is installed on the VPS. Since I would appreciate being able to use the server applications I'm paying for I wanted to find out if anyone else up here that uses Web Site Panel has upgraded to MSSQLS2012 and delta with the issues of the incompatibility of this new version of SQL Server 2012. I'll be interested in hearing some possible work-arounds for interfacing a Web site with MSSQLS2012 Web Edition until full support for it is included in Web Site Panel. We're also considering using MYSQL as an alternative until the issues with WSP and MSSQLS2012 are resolved. Since our main need for an online database is for storing personal information we really wouldn't need WSP in the picture. I have Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Express ready to install on our machines and believe I could connect to the online database via SQL Management Studio. Since I have SQL Express for the local machine and want to connect to a full version of MSSQL are there compatibility issues with doing this other than not having particular database functionality available something one can get around with ColdFusion? And since mention has been made of CF10 being released does it include a way to connect to a database without the need for an application like Web Site Panel? I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Presently I'm having to connect to the VPS via Web Interfaces due to not having the remote desktop license for my screen reader something I plan to remedy later this year. Since MSSQL2012 Web is on the VPS is there a way to connect to it via a Web URL? Sorry if this is somewhat OT for this list. If someone can assist me with these issues or refer me to the proper list for help I'll appreciate that very much. All the best. Peter Donahue No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper. Isaiah 54:17 While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day. Anonymo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel
your prob better off asking that on the WSP forums or the WSP discussion list https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/websitepanel http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/websitepanel WSP releases are not very frequent though. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.comwrote: Hello Byron and everyone, Do you have any idea how long it will be before they release the final version of WSP with this enhancement? Thanks for the information. Peter Donahue - Original Message - From: Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:32 AM Subject: Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel Looks like WSP just released a beta with 2012 support, may want to check into upgrading. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com On May 15, 2012 10:44 AM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.com wrote: Good morning everyone, Last week I had my VPS provider upgrade Microsoft SQL 2008 to Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Web Edition. I'm using Web Site Panel to manage the server and hosted Web sites. If we're to use a database to provide access to information for site visitors we need to create the database, the users, and to connect to the database via OBDC. After some tinkering around by myself and some research by the VPS provider we discovered that the current version of Web Site Panel does not yet support MSSQLS2012. The Web Edition of MSSQL2012 is installed on the VPS. Since I would appreciate being able to use the server applications I'm paying for I wanted to find out if anyone else up here that uses Web Site Panel has upgraded to MSSQLS2012 and delta with the issues of the incompatibility of this new version of SQL Server 2012. I'll be interested in hearing some possible work-arounds for interfacing a Web site with MSSQLS2012 Web Edition until full support for it is included in Web Site Panel. We're also considering using MYSQL as an alternative until the issues with WSP and MSSQLS2012 are resolved. Since our main need for an online database is for storing personal information we really wouldn't need WSP in the picture. I have Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Express ready to install on our machines and believe I could connect to the online database via SQL Management Studio. Since I have SQL Express for the local machine and want to connect to a full version of MSSQL are there compatibility issues with doing this other than not having particular database functionality available something one can get around with ColdFusion? And since mention has been made of CF10 being released does it include a way to connect to a database without the need for an application like Web Site Panel? I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Presently I'm having to connect to the VPS via Web Interfaces due to not having the remote desktop license for my screen reader something I plan to remedy later this year. Since MSSQL2012 Web is on the VPS is there a way to connect to it via a Web URL? Sorry if this is somewhat OT for this list. If someone can assist me with these issues or refer me to the proper list for help I'll appreciate that very much. All the best. Peter Donahue No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper. Isaiah 54:17 While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day. Anonymo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
Also, be careful using var as a variable name. It is a reserved keyword in ColdFusion. As Scott mentioned, you can make a variable local to a function by calling it local.varname. You can also make it local to a function by using the var keyword when you create the variable: cfset var foo = bar HTH, Carl ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Not instantiating object
hi, same person here. I am trying to migrate this to another server. However, I cannot read my old CF7 settings. I have a java folder with classes in it that are used by the project. The java folder is at c:/java. I recall that I need to update the Coldfusion Administrator so that these classes can be used. However, I can not determine where I should update these. I did this in the mappings section. My logical path is set to /java and my directory path is set to c:/java. I've been banging my head against this for at least two days. Can someone please tell me how to get these classes working? thank you. daniel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Not instantiating object
it is probably easier if you justr put then in one of the existing paths rather than add a new one c:\coldfusion9\runtime\lib On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, daniel kessler dani...@umd.edu wrote: hi, same person here. I am trying to migrate this to another server. However, I cannot read my old CF7 settings. I have a java folder with classes in it that are used by the project. The java folder is at c:/java. I recall that I need to update the Coldfusion Administrator so that these classes can be used. However, I can not determine where I should update these. I did this in the mappings section. My logical path is set to /java and my directory path is set to c:/java. I've been banging my head against this for at least two days. Can someone please tell me how to get these classes working? thank you. daniel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351208 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF, Bots sessionTimeouts
I maintain a well-trafficked site on CF9 that has occasional memory problems that ultimately requires restarts. I am fairly certain the cause of my problems is related to bot hits and the server's memory they take up. I am attempting to set low sessionTimeouts to all bots to remedy this situation. I've listed a few code samples below I found while researching a solution. Is there a best practice as to handle this? Any additional code samples would be welcome. Thanks, Che Method #1 cfif structKeyExists(cookie, CFID) cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,10,0) cfelse cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,0,2) /cfif Method #3 cfif isBoolean(URLSessionFormat(true)) cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,10,0) cfelse cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,0,2) /cfif Method #3 cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,10,0) cfif len(cgi.http_user_agent) gt 0 cfloop list=bot\b,crawl\b,crawler\b,spider\b,\brss,addthis,alexa,bender,custo,doco mo,esobisubscriber,ezooms,funwebproducts,giganot,google web preview,heritrix,ia archiver,ichiro,jeeves,mail.ru,netseer,nutch,powermarks,simple server monitor,slurp,sogou,twiceler,vse,vortex,websurfer,yahoocachesystem index=i delimiters=, cfif reFind(i, lcase(cgi.http_user_agent)) cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,0,2) cfbreak /cfif /cfloop cfelse cfset this.sessionTimeout = createTimeSpan(0,0,0,2) /cfif ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351209 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel
Hello Russ and everyone, Thanks for the suggestion. I have another issue to bring to their attention so will bring it to their attention. Much of WSP is screen reader-friendly but reaching particular administrative areas such as Configuration, Reports, Databases, Mail, and probably a few others can be a rodeo as these are not active hyper links or do not have an assigned keyboard shortcut making access to these areas with a keyboard easier. Thanks again for the suggestion. Peter Donahue - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel your prob better off asking that on the WSP forums or the WSP discussion list https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/websitepanel http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/websitepanel WSP releases are not very frequent though. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.comwrote: Hello Byron and everyone, Do you have any idea how long it will be before they release the final version of WSP with this enhancement? Thanks for the information. Peter Donahue - Original Message - From: Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:32 AM Subject: Re: MSSQL2012 And Web Site Panel Looks like WSP just released a beta with 2012 support, may want to check into upgrading. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com On May 15, 2012 10:44 AM, Peter Donahue pdonah...@satx.rr.com wrote: Good morning everyone, Last week I had my VPS provider upgrade Microsoft SQL 2008 to Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Web Edition. I'm using Web Site Panel to manage the server and hosted Web sites. If we're to use a database to provide access to information for site visitors we need to create the database, the users, and to connect to the database via OBDC. After some tinkering around by myself and some research by the VPS provider we discovered that the current version of Web Site Panel does not yet support MSSQLS2012. The Web Edition of MSSQL2012 is installed on the VPS. Since I would appreciate being able to use the server applications I'm paying for I wanted to find out if anyone else up here that uses Web Site Panel has upgraded to MSSQLS2012 and delta with the issues of the incompatibility of this new version of SQL Server 2012. I'll be interested in hearing some possible work-arounds for interfacing a Web site with MSSQLS2012 Web Edition until full support for it is included in Web Site Panel. We're also considering using MYSQL as an alternative until the issues with WSP and MSSQLS2012 are resolved. Since our main need for an online database is for storing personal information we really wouldn't need WSP in the picture. I have Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Express ready to install on our machines and believe I could connect to the online database via SQL Management Studio. Since I have SQL Express for the local machine and want to connect to a full version of MSSQL are there compatibility issues with doing this other than not having particular database functionality available something one can get around with ColdFusion? And since mention has been made of CF10 being released does it include a way to connect to a database without the need for an application like Web Site Panel? I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Presently I'm having to connect to the VPS via Web Interfaces due to not having the remote desktop license for my screen reader something I plan to remedy later this year. Since MSSQL2012 Web is on the VPS is there a way to connect to it via a Web URL? Sorry if this is somewhat OT for this list. If someone can assist me with these issues or refer me to the proper list for help I'll appreciate that very much. All the best. Peter Donahue No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper. Isaiah 54:17 While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery brought to day. Anonymo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Not instantiating object
it is probably easier if you justr put then in one of the existing paths rather than add a new one c:\coldfusion9\runtime\lib I'll try that to get by, but I need to duplicate the production environment. It's difficult to update these settings? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351211 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
And no north american sales rep to be found to discuss purchasing licenses. We're a reseller, and may be able to help you with that if you like. If you're interested, let me know and I'll put you in touch with our sales team (or you can just email sa...@figleaf.com). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
Big public announcements at conferences are a great thing. And pretty common. However, when companies do that, they usually also release the damn product at the same time. At least they build a good product. Coldfusion: great engineering, crappy marketing. Judah On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week. Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
well considering it was not announced it seems it was perhaps not an official release, as it was ust found by accident, so perhaps the official release was meant to be at CFO, they were just making sure they had it online ready to download in advance. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Big public announcements at conferences are a great thing. And pretty common. However, when companies do that, they usually also release the damn product at the same time. At least they build a good product. Coldfusion: great engineering, crappy marketing. Judah On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week. Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
blogging is not marketing, at least not corporate marketing. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Actually Adobe did announce it via their blogs, even Ray Camden blogged about it. http://blogs.coldfusion.com/post.cfm/adobe-coldfusion-10-is-now-available -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Yeah...someone needs to go and smack the Adobe marketing department around a bit...If it wasn't for this, none of us would have even known about it. -Original Message- From: Tim Claremont [mailto:timothy.clarem...@viahealth.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:14 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire... And not one mention of it (or any other CF version for that matter) on the Adobe.com home page. Way to promote, Adobe. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Not instantiating object
I have a java folder with classes in it that are used by the project. The java folder is at c:/java. I recall that I need to update the Coldfusion Administrator so that these classes can be used. However, I can not determine where I should update these. I did this in the mappings section. My logical path is set to /java and my directory path is set to c:/java. Java classes don't use or require mappings. They need to be specified in your JVM's CLASSPATH. If you're using CF Standard, you can add directories to the classpath in the Java and JVM menu of your CF Administrator. If you're using CF Enterprise, you may have to edit the jvm.config directly. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or ons ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
It was announced - at least on a private list. I have not seen the Public announcement yet. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On May 16, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: well considering it was not announced it seems it was perhaps not an official release, as it was ust found by accident, so perhaps the official release was meant to be at CFO, they were just making sure they had it online ready to download in advance. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Big public announcements at conferences are a great thing. And pretty common. However, when companies do that, they usually also release the damn product at the same time. At least they build a good product. Coldfusion: great engineering, crappy marketing. Judah On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week. Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351217 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
True, but I don't think Adobe likes CF.Objective() that much. CF.Objective() is a CFML Developers conference, so people from Railo and BlueDragon are typically there, presenting, promoting the competing products. This has really irritated a few people at Adobe in the past. So in this case is makes sense that Adobe releases ColdFusion prior to CF.Objective() and then at the conference mentions that Oh BTW, We launched ColdFusion 10 earlier this week. And yes, some of the people at Adobe have been that petty. I've seen it in person and on the twitter feeds in the past. Not sure if this is still true today. But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. Just My Humble Opinion. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: Big public announcements at conferences are a great thing. And pretty common. However, when companies do that, they usually also release the damn product at the same time. At least they build a good product. Coldfusion: great engineering, crappy marketing. Judah On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Again - maybe the BIG public announcement will be at CF.Objective() key note this week. Who knows what goes through the minds of marketing people ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351218 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only one) this year at CF.Objective(). -Cameron On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: True, but I don't think Adobe likes CF.Objective() that much. CF.Objective() is a CFML Developers conference, so people from Railo and BlueDragon are typically there, presenting, promoting the competing products. This has really irritated a few people at Adobe in the past. So in this case is makes sense that Adobe releases ColdFusion prior to CF.Objective() and then at the conference mentions that Oh BTW, We launched ColdFusion 10 earlier this week. And yes, some of the people at Adobe have been that petty. I've seen it in person and on the twitter feeds in the past. Not sure if this is still true today. But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. Just My Humble Opinion. -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
And I'm pretty sure Adobe gave the opening keynote this morning... On Wed, 16 May 2012 14:52:58 -0400, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only one) this year at CF.Objective(). -Cameron ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF10 + Wamp ?
I had a little time today and I wanted to throw the trial version of CF10 on a spare machine. However, I was trying to install wampserver2.2d-x32.exe and then CF10 on top of it. I noticed that CF did not copy over the CFIDE etc directories to the default wamp directory (c:\wamp\www). I finally had to run it off of the default web server included with CF. Has anyone else also experienced this? Server info: Windows xp (It's what I have available) WAMP: wampserver2.2d-x32.exe Apache Ver 2.2.21 CF 10 32bit version Thanks, Mallory Woods ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351221 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
Actually a Platinum Sponsor. But they also went years without being a sponsor. I really hope it's an out of date opinion!!! Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only one) this year at CF.Objective(). -Cameron On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: True, but I don't think Adobe likes CF.Objective() that much. CF.Objective() is a CFML Developers conference, so people from Railo and BlueDragon are typically there, presenting, promoting the competing products. This has really irritated a few people at Adobe in the past. So in this case is makes sense that Adobe releases ColdFusion prior to CF.Objective() and then at the conference mentions that Oh BTW, We launched ColdFusion 10 earlier this week. And yes, some of the people at Adobe have been that petty. I've seen it in person and on the twitter feeds in the past. Not sure if this is still true today. But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. Just My Humble Opinion. -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
Tomorrow - the actual conference starts Thursday Morning. And yes they are giving the keynote. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 16, 2012, at 1:55 PM, ssl...@rubbergumball.net wrote: And I'm pretty sure Adobe gave the opening keynote this morning... On Wed, 16 May 2012 14:52:58 -0400, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is an out of date opinion. Adobe is a Gold Sponsor (the only one) this year at CF.Objective(). -Cameron ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Wil Genovese wrote: But this release of CF10 just two days before CF.Objective() and not AT Cf.Objective() reminded me of the past pettiness. The opening keynote is on Thursday at 14:00 UTC. That is not just past the deadline for the Friday news in a big part of the world, but is Ascention Thursday. About the only day worse for announcements is Christmas. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF10 + Wamp ?
Apache uses an Apache Tomcat Connector (mod_jk) to talk to CF10/Tomcat Look in the mod_jk.conf file in your apache conf directory. That will telll you where CFIDE is physically On my machine it is C:\ColdFusion10\cfusion\wwwroot On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Mallory Woods mallory.wo...@gmail.comwrote: I had a little time today and I wanted to throw the trial version of CF10 on a spare machine. However, I was trying to install wampserver2.2d-x32.exe and then CF10 on top of it. I noticed that CF did not copy over the CFIDE etc directories to the default wamp directory (c:\wamp\www). I finally had to run it off of the default web server included with CF. Has anyone else also experienced this? Server info: Windows xp (It's what I have available) WAMP: wampserver2.2d-x32.exe Apache Ver 2.2.21 CF 10 32bit version Thanks, Mallory Woods ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351225 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
well considering it was not announced it seems it was perhaps not an official release, as it was ust found by accident, ... When I first posted, it wasn't an accident. Ben Forta had posted an announcement on his blog and I happened to see it within a few minutes in my RSS news reader and decided to pass along the good news. Word travels pretty quickly within the CF community... as previously mentioned the buzz has been here, on Twitter, Facebook group, lots of blog activity, etc. Anyone who watches any CF-related community will know within a couple of days (not to mention their presence at cf.Objective() which is going on now). Those are the people who really matter, in my opinion, as they will continue to spread the word far and wide. I'm not sure what people are expecting from Adobe on the marketing or advertising front around the release. As excited as I am to see ColdFusion evolve, I also realize that Adobe is a huge company with a lot of products to tend to, many of which are more important to them from a marketing standpoint than ColdFusion is (Creative Suite sales are probably an order of magnitude greater than CF sales, so while CF is profitable, it's likely a drop in the bucket compared with the heavy hitters that have a broader market appeal). A mention on the homepage would be nice though. :) -Just ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351226 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF10 + Wamp ?
Also you might need to restart Apache for the changes to Apache conf files to stick. At least that has been my experience. HTH G! On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Apache uses an Apache Tomcat Connector (mod_jk) to talk to CF10/Tomcat Look in the mod_jk.conf file in your apache conf directory. That will telll you where CFIDE is physically On my machine it is C:\ColdFusion10\cfusion\wwwroot On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Mallory Woods mallory.wo...@gmail.comwrote: I had a little time today and I wanted to throw the trial version of CF10 on a spare machine. However, I was trying to install wampserver2.2d-x32.exe and then CF10 on top of it. I noticed that CF did not copy over the CFIDE etc directories to the default wamp directory (c:\wamp\www). I finally had to run it off of the default web server included with CF. Has anyone else also experienced this? Server info: Windows xp (It's what I have available) WAMP: wampserver2.2d-x32.exe Apache Ver 2.2.21 CF 10 32bit version Thanks, Mallory Woods ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF10 + Wamp ?
Thanks. I will check. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Apache uses an Apache Tomcat Connector (mod_jk) to talk to CF10/Tomcat Look in the mod_jk.conf file in your apache conf directory. That will telll you where CFIDE is physically On my machine it is C:\ColdFusion10\cfusion\wwwroot On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Mallory Woods mallory.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I had a little time today and I wanted to throw the trial version of CF10 on a spare machine. However, I was trying to install wampserver2.2d-x32.exe and then CF10 on top of it. I noticed that CF did not copy over the CFIDE etc directories to the default wamp directory (c:\wamp\www). I finally had to run it off of the default web server included with CF. Has anyone else also experienced this? Server info: Windows xp (It's what I have available) WAMP: wampserver2.2d-x32.exe Apache Ver 2.2.21 CF 10 32bit version Thanks, Mallory Woods ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote: (Creative Suite sales are probably an order of magnitude greater than CF sales, so while CF is profitable, it's likely a drop in the bucket compared with the heavy hitters that have a broader market appeal). A mention on the homepage would be nice though. :) And this is the chicken and egg conundrum that has been going round and round ever since Adobe acquired CF. In order to improve the broader market appeal of CF, you have to invest in marketing and sales of the product. But if the product is not already a big hitter in a rather large portfolio, it is unlikely to be deemed worthy of that level of marketing and sales...wash, rinse, repeat. Still, fine engineering. Cheers, Juda ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
and yet Adobe can't be bothered to e-mail it's paid customers of previous versions to tell them - sad and even sadderthis is par for the course. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
In reality though, they only soft launched it yesterday. We don't know yet what publicity and marketing efforts will come out in the days and weeks ahead... Are they going to put as big of a push as we'd like to see behind it? Sadly, I doubt it, but I suspect they'll do more than nothing. Personally, I'd like to see a smart campaign riding the growing focus on alternative JVM languages. On 5/16/12 1:15 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: and yet Adobe can't be bothered to e-mail it's paid customers of previous versions to tell them - sad and even sadderthis is par for the course. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351231 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Holy sweet mother of Jeremy Allaire...
Adobe's overall approach to this product has been weak since 8 was released. In fact sometime after 8 Adobe notified us they would not renew our annual support contract, which we were paying a fair amount for at the time. It just would have been nice as a fairly substantial licensee to have a sales contract in place before the product release as in versions past. They would also have given us a near real timeline for release so we could be ready with a product offering from day one. This time around we were guessing more beginning of july. Still really love this product, but I still get the impression it's never going to have the corporate backing it once did. Product would be better off open sourced and community driven with a free community version and fee based support and enterprise level versions. More or less how Railo has gone. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: best practice on session variable persistence and ssl?
Hey there. Many thanks on these great responses. This is very helpful as we think this through. May have some follow up thoughts / questions as we go. Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351233 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF10 + Wamp ?
Installed to my workstation today, the cfide was left in c:/coldfusion10 instead of the ./wwwroot. Install on a server this did not happen. Also selected cfdocs on the install but no where to be found. Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com On May 16, 2012 3:04 PM, Mallory Woods mallory.wo...@gmail.com wrote: I had a little time today and I wanted to throw the trial version of CF10 on a spare machine. However, I was trying to install wampserver2.2d-x32.exe and then CF10 on top of it. I noticed that CF did not copy over the CFIDE etc directories to the default wamp directory (c:\wamp\www). I finally had to run it off of the default web server included with CF. Has anyone else also experienced this? Server info: Windows xp (It's what I have available) WAMP: wampserver2.2d-x32.exe Apache Ver 2.2.21 CF 10 32bit version Thanks, Mallory Woods ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF8/CF9 installers with Verity going away
This is a post from the CF Server Team Blog that I thought worthy of passing along. If you believe you will need to install CF8 or CF9 with Verity bundled in the future and do not already have the installers, go grab them now... --- From: http://blogs.coldfusion.com/post.cfm/availability-of-coldfusion-9 Our contract with Verity will soon end and we will no longer be able to allow downloads that have Verity in it (CF9/CF8 installers have Verity) post 31st of May. For this reason, we are coming out with a CF 9.0.2 without Verity. Post 31st May, anyone who wants to get hold of CF9 bits will be given access to CF9.0.2 as we can no longer provide the CF9 bits. CF9.0.2 will be made available on the website as well post 31st May. But if anyone needs the CF9 bits with Verity, they need to download now (before 31st of May) from the website here: http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/downloads.html The same rationale applies to CF8. Anyone who needs CF8 bits can reach out to Adobe support and get access to the CF8 installer before 31st of May. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
