RE: CF running out of steam
So CF is a great for getting into development for newbies, but expect to pay an enterprise level price. And if you are an enterprise, then you'll probably using something else anyway because you won't really need a newbie product. I recognise I'm not at the level on CF that many of you are here, but I have been able to develop quite nice eCommerce and CMS applications. What I don't like so much is that all I need, pretty much, is about 50% of what CF can do, having bought into a get started easily product, yet I'm still stuffed with enterprise level prices. IMO, CF has failed to identify where it actually sits in the market and to offer a range of functionalities and price tag that match. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 15 March 2013 14:27 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam programming. CF does what you need with server-side programming. But server-side application development tools are basically a commodity at this point. You can do anything with anything. There's nothing I can not quite. make sure you're sitting down not drinking anything, then check the price of an arcGIS server license (inside the US, prices outside the US might make your head explode). plus you need at least one desktop seat (about the same cost as enterprise cf) just to manage your arcGIS servers. in large enterprise projects that make use of that kind of server platform, cf's relatively cheap a very nice fit especially where you have to dip into java libs to get stuff done, run off reports, etc. Yeah, my comparison was aimed at general-purpose server-side programming environments, not stuff like arcGIS. And CF is definitely cheap for enterprise software - and that might actually be a problem in the enterprise, as people in the enterprise often equate cost with value. (There's no other explanation I have for the continued success of Oracle.) If you compare CF to ASP.NET, or to common J2EE environments, or to PHP, CF is easier to use, but not so much easier that everyone's going to switch to it from those other things. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Hi Ray, I can see that to a developer that Adobe page looks incredibly sexy. The problem being that it is not always (usually not?) the developers who hold the purse strings. Many times in this list over the last few years I have seen threads from developers asking for help in selling CF to customers or their management. Why the hell isn't Adobe doing this for them already?? Jenny -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2013 21:58 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam Oh I think the home page is great. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html If you meant the _Adobe_ home page, I think it is great too, but I'm probably biased. ;) I can't see many coders going to adobe.com looking for random development languages. I think the audience is totally different. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM, wrote: Maybe they would just Google it. Google is a good tool but not an excuse for having a poor home page. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355044 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
+1 -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam So CF is a great for getting into development for newbies, but expect to pay an enterprise level price. And if you are an enterprise, then you'll probably using something else anyway because you won't really need a newbie product. I recognise I'm not at the level on CF that many of you are here, but I have been able to develop quite nice eCommerce and CMS applications. What I don't like so much is that all I need, pretty much, is about 50% of what CF can do, having bought into a get started easily product, yet I'm still stuffed with enterprise level prices. IMO, CF has failed to identify where it actually sits in the market and to offer a range of functionalities and price tag that match. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 15 March 2013 14:27 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam programming. CF does what you need with server-side programming. But server-side application development tools are basically a commodity at this point. You can do anything with anything. There's nothing I can not quite. make sure you're sitting down not drinking anything, then check the price of an arcGIS server license (inside the US, prices outside the US might make your head explode). plus you need at least one desktop seat (about the same cost as enterprise cf) just to manage your arcGIS servers. in large enterprise projects that make use of that kind of server platform, cf's relatively cheap a very nice fit especially where you have to dip into java libs to get stuff done, run off reports, etc. Yeah, my comparison was aimed at general-purpose server-side programming environments, not stuff like arcGIS. And CF is definitely cheap for enterprise software - and that might actually be a problem in the enterprise, as people in the enterprise often equate cost with value. (There's no other explanation I have for the continued success of Oracle.) If you compare CF to ASP.NET, or to common J2EE environments, or to PHP, CF is easier to use, but not so much easier that everyone's going to switch to it from those other things. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
+1 Adobe Marketing is the failure... I see almost nothing on that front. I receive email newsletters constantly from Microsoft Evangelists who tout the conferences, tutorials, and benefits of Microsoft's offering. I rarely (never these days) receive ANYTHING from Adobe that discusses any of the above from an Adobe perspective. Adobe has content and human resources to be far more of push organization that it is. They seem to miss the fundamental perspective that I preach to my clients all the time. Push your benefits and products to current and prospective clients. Don't sit back and wait for them to come to you. There are *ALWAYS* others waiting to fill that void that's created and take the business which could be yours if they simply are significantly aware of what you offer and its benefits. Adobe fails at the most fundamental marketing strategy: Developing Top-of-mind awareness. And let's face it... 1) When Microsoft talks, people listen. 2) When Adobe talks, people listen. 3) When developers talk, people don't listen. And the fact is... Microsoft talks... Microsoft developers don't have to. Adobe doesn't talk... Adobe developers have to do the talking. See point three above. Rick -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam Hi Ray, I can see that to a developer that Adobe page looks incredibly sexy. The problem being that it is not always (usually not?) the developers who hold the purse strings. Many times in this list over the last few years I have seen threads from developers asking for help in selling CF to customers or their management. Why the hell isn't Adobe doing this for them already?? Jenny -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2013 21:58 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam Oh I think the home page is great. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html If you meant the _Adobe_ home page, I think it is great too, but I'm probably biased. ;) I can't see many coders going to adobe.com looking for random development languages. I think the audience is totally different. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM, wrote: Maybe they would just Google it. Google is a good tool but not an excuse for having a poor home page. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
As fun as a discussion like this is, I would caution people to avoid basing your career off of one product or system. No matter who you work for, you are a small business with one employee. Make decisions about your capabilities with that in mind. Be objective about decisions that are out of your control. You should have at least one plan B. Never stop learning new things inside and outside of programming. I remember the discussion when CF changed from very low cost to an enterprise price (V3-V4?). I gave it up and went with ASP since it was free. The same discussions about price were happening back then. I don't know the answer, but CF has had a lot of resilience. (I ended up back in CF once I started using corporate servers.) The main thing anyone can do is be active in the CF community, but be realistic. Nothing lasts forever. What would realistically happen to CF developers if Adobe canned ColdFusion? Most enterprises that use it would keep it running for a while and employ people to rewrite applications eventually. I don't know how long Adobe will keep ColdFusion, but I assume for some time in the future. Don't let something out of your control define your future (or at least hedge your bets.) The development landscape changes every few years. You have time to deal with it if you stay informed on trends. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Curmudgeon painted in a corner
I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355049 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since [...] what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Coming from Homesite, you are likely to enjoy Sublime Text 2. Instal Package Control and then install the ColdFusion package. Decent syntax highlighting and a lot fo goot packages to choose from. It's also very lightweight compared to memory beasts built on top of Eclipse like CFBuilder. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Here is a recent thread on the Railo group concerning IDEs https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/railo/J0EdVySoPNw HTH G! On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355051 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Dreamweaver CFBuilder CFEclipse NotePad++ (there is a CFML plugin) Sublime Text 2 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355052 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. I'm usint CF Studio (identical to Homesite) and it runs perfectly under Windows 7 64bits. Just make sure it runs in compatibility Windows XP mode. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355053 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
CF Builder 2 or Sublime Text 2 (with the CF plugin) On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, wrote: Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. I'm usint CF Studio (identical to Homesite) and it runs perfectly under Windows 7 64bits. Just make sure it runs in compatibility Windows XP mode. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355054 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
... Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. If you poke around on eBay you can find new surplus and business systems that come with Windows 7 Pro. I bought a brand new Dell Vostro 270s for my parents, one for a friend of theirs, and one for myself as new home computers last month for $529 each (http://www.ebay.com/sch/trepachka/m.html is the seller's page, he still has one up right now). I've switched to using CF Builder as my primary development tool for working on sites locally, but for some older remote sites I still use Homesite+ in Windows XP mode without any trouble. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 I have to say I am disappointed that no-one has yet said, with a sh*t eating grin on their face: New Macs do not come with Win 8 -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355056 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
+1 ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 17 March 2013 14:48 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam +1 Adobe Marketing is the failure... I see almost nothing on that front. I receive email newsletters constantly from Microsoft Evangelists who tout the conferences, tutorials, and benefits of Microsoft's offering. I rarely (never these days) receive ANYTHING from Adobe that discusses any of the above from an Adobe perspective. Adobe has content and human resources to be far more of push organization that it is. They seem to miss the fundamental perspective that I preach to my clients all the time. Push your benefits and products to current and prospective clients. Don't sit back and wait for them to come to you. There are *ALWAYS* others waiting to fill that void that's created and take the business which could be yours if they simply are significantly aware of what you offer and its benefits. Adobe fails at the most fundamental marketing strategy: Developing Top-of-mind awareness. And let's face it... 1) When Microsoft talks, people listen. 2) When Adobe talks, people listen. 3) When developers talk, people don't listen. And the fact is... Microsoft talks... Microsoft developers don't have to. Adobe doesn't talk... Adobe developers have to do the talking. See point three above. Rick -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam Hi Ray, I can see that to a developer that Adobe page looks incredibly sexy. The problem being that it is not always (usually not?) the developers who hold the purse strings. Many times in this list over the last few years I have seen threads from developers asking for help in selling CF to customers or their management. Why the hell isn't Adobe doing this for them already?? Jenny -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2013 21:58 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam Oh I think the home page is great. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html If you meant the _Adobe_ home page, I think it is great too, but I'm probably biased. ;) I can't see many coders going to adobe.com looking for random development languages. I think the audience is totally different. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM, wrote: Maybe they would just Google it. Google is a good tool but not an excuse for having a poor home page. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355057 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Hi Roger, I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. Jenny -Original Message- From: Roger Austin [mailto:raust...@nc.rr.com] Sent: 17 March 2013 15:37 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam As fun as a discussion like this is, I would caution people to avoid basing your career off of one product or system. No matter who you work for, you are a small business with one employee. Make decisions about your capabilities with that in mind. Be objective about decisions that are out of your control. You should have at least one plan B. Never stop learning new things inside and outside of programming. I remember the discussion when CF changed from very low cost to an enterprise price (V3-V4?). I gave it up and went with ASP since it was free. The same discussions about price were happening back then. I don't know the answer, but CF has had a lot of resilience. (I ended up back in CF once I started using corporate servers.) The main thing anyone can do is be active in the CF community, but be realistic. Nothing lasts forever. What would realistically happen to CF developers if Adobe canned ColdFusion? Most enterprises that use it would keep it running for a while and employ people to rewrite applications eventually. I don't know how long Adobe will keep ColdFusion, but I assume for some time in the future. Don't let something out of your control define your future (or at least hedge your bets.) The development landscape changes every few years. You have time to deal with it if you stay informed on trends. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Thanks everyone, I checked out Sublime Text 2 and even watched a couple sessions of the tutorials offered. I'm sold. One neat thing... They say you can install it on more than one computer with only one license. Now that's pretty civilized of them. Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. Thanks again. Dave -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 I have to say I am disappointed that no-one has yet said, with a sh*t eating grin on their face: New Macs do not come with Win 8 -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355059 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. Well played sir. Bravo! G! On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355060 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. at face value, kind of an absurd statement. what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? i *know* the cf team is trying cf is still profitable to adobe. but when its not they'll likely drop it i don't find that very worrying. adobe has already dropped what i thought was a pretty good product (flex). but they dropped it in a responsible fashion (into apache's lap, where its ticking along quite nicely--the commit stream people coming out of the woodwork to donate stuff to it makes me feel all warm fuzzy). people have been bemoaning cf's demise for a decade yet its still here. if its around for another decade w/adobe fine, if not, that's fine too. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355061 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
