Coldfusion 10 Hotfix 9
Tried to install CF10 hotfix 9 today. Failed. Using the CF Updates from the CF Administrator. Broke the administrator, among other things. Also tried to install the hotfix manually by running the jar file ... it seems to hang trying to stop the server - which is already stopped. Running Windows Server 2003 64 bit. Logged in using an account with local administrator privileges. Anyone else tried to install this update? Rick -- *The beatings will continue until morale improves.* ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Coldfusion 10 Hotfix 9
Running Windows Server 2003 32 bit. Logged in using an account with local administrator privileges. Worked fine for me. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: Tried to install CF10 hotfix 9 today. Failed. Using the CF Updates from the CF Administrator. Broke the administrator, among other things. Also tried to install the hotfix manually by running the jar file ... it seems to hang trying to stop the server - which is already stopped. Running Windows Server 2003 64 bit. Logged in using an account with local administrator privileges. Anyone else tried to install this update? Rick -- *The beatings will continue until morale improves.* ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355357 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) SQL bulk inserts, ftps, and unicode special characters
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.comwrote: SQL Server 2005 does not support UTF-8 apparently. sure it does. No, it doesn't. Not really. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb330962(v=sql.90).aspx I'm loading this data from UTF-8 encoded files coming from an SAP system, and I'm loading them using the BULK INSERT command. Even SQL Server 2012 doesn't support UTF-8. Look at this page ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms188365.aspx) and find UTF-8) Ultimately, my workaround here is that I found the specific garbage strings after loading the data and replacing them with a sql udf I wrote that basically does this: set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(163),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(165),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(214),) set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(244),'-') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(201),'-') Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355358 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Coldfusion 10 Hotfix 9
Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: Tried to install CF10 hotfix 9 today. Failed. Using the CF Updates from the CF Administrator. Broke the administrator, among other things. Also tried to install the hotfix manually by running the jar file ... it seems to hang trying to stop the server - which is already stopped. Running Windows Server 2003 64 bit. Logged in using an account with local administrator privileges. Anyone else tried to install this update? I installed it on my development machine, but it never finalized and reset. When I restarted the laptop, the administrator said there were no available updates. I assume it must have took. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roger-austin/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355359 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Coldfusion 10 Hotfix 9
Hotfix worked for me too. That's odd. On 4/11/2013 9:59 AM, Roger Austin wrote: Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: Tried to install CF10 hotfix 9 today. Failed. Using the CF Updates from the CF Administrator. Broke the administrator, among other things. Also tried to install the hotfix manually by running the jar file ... it seems to hang trying to stop the server - which is already stopped. Running Windows Server 2003 64 bit. Logged in using an account with local administrator privileges. Anyone else tried to install this update? I installed it on my development machine, but it never finalized and reset. When I restarted the laptop, the administrator said there were no available updates. I assume it must have took. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roger-austin/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355360 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) SQL bulk inserts, ftps, and unicode special characters
you could try this work around. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5498033/how-to-write-utf-8-characters-using-bulk-insert-in-sql-server On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.com wrote: SQL Server 2005 does not support UTF-8 apparently. sure it does. No, it doesn't. Not really. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb330962(v=sql.90).aspx I'm loading this data from UTF-8 encoded files coming from an SAP system, and I'm loading them using the BULK INSERT command. Even SQL Server 2012 doesn't support UTF-8. Look at this page ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms188365.aspx) and find UTF-8) Ultimately, my workaround here is that I found the specific garbage strings after loading the data and replacing them with a sql udf I wrote that basically does this: set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(163),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(165),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(214),) set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(244),'-') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(201),'-') Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
I teach web design, web programming (JavaScript, some JS libraries, SQL, and CF), and computer science at a public high school that has zero budget for software for my classes. We have a license for Homesite, but it doesn't play well with our environment and is no longer worth the hassle. I've tried Aptana, but feel that it's too complex for teaching beginners web design. What's more, I really don't like the requirement that Eclipse-based editors have for working in a project paradigm on web files. I use Netbeans for CompSci, which IS project-oriented, but that makes a lot more sense given the language. So, what are the free (as in, free) options out there that support HTML/CSS/JS/CF that are at least reasonably user-friendly? Thanks, Pete ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355362 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) SQL bulk inserts, ftps, and unicode special characters
I'm gonna try to get the SAP people to send me a UTF-16 file instead (essentially the same as the link except I wouldn't have to convert it :) ) On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: you could try this work around. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5498033/how-to-write-utf-8-characters-using-bulk-insert-in-sql-server On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.com wrote: SQL Server 2005 does not support UTF-8 apparently. sure it does. No, it doesn't. Not really. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb330962(v=sql.90).aspx I'm loading this data from UTF-8 encoded files coming from an SAP system, and I'm loading them using the BULK INSERT command. Even SQL Server 2012 doesn't support UTF-8. Look at this page ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms188365.aspx) and find UTF-8) Ultimately, my workaround here is that I found the specific garbage strings after loading the data and replacing them with a sql udf I wrote that basically does this: set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(163),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(165),'') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(214),) set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(244),'-') set @comment = replace(@comment,nchar(915)+nchar(199)+nchar(201),'-') Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355363 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
Sublime Text 2 with the CF plugin and the enhanced CFML/HTML plugin Adobe should open source homesite ;) On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I teach web design, web programming (JavaScript, some JS libraries, SQL, and CF), and computer science at a public high school that has zero budget for software for my classes. We have a license for Homesite, but it doesn't play well with our environment and is no longer worth the hassle. I've tried Aptana, but feel that it's too complex for teaching beginners web design. What's more, I really don't like the requirement that Eclipse-based editors have for working in a project paradigm on web files. I use Netbeans for CompSci, which IS project-oriented, but that makes a lot more sense given the language. So, what are the free (as in, free) options out there that support HTML/CSS/JS/CF that are at least reasonably user-friendly? Thanks, Pete ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355364 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
Sublime Text 2 doesn't meet the FREE requirement, though I'm enjoying my licensed version more and more! +1 on open sourcing homesite! -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:rick.r...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:16 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor? Sublime Text 2 with the CF plugin and the enhanced CFML/HTML plugin Adobe should open source homesite ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355365 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Coldfusion 10 Hotfix 9
Okay so I rebooted and then re-ran the installer manually and it worked. It didn't seem to like stopping the services that were already stopped. Don't know why it failed from the updates page but I suspect it's because we've done the lockdown and coldfusion doesn't have permission to start or stop services maybe. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355366 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
It does have an unlimited trial period ;) I purchased a license myself too. Maybe Notepad++ with the CFML plugin... Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
here is a big list of editors http://carehart.org/cf411/#editcf On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I teach web design, web programming (JavaScript, some JS libraries, SQL, and CF), and computer science at a public high school that has zero budget for software for my classes. We have a license for Homesite, but it doesn't play well with our environment and is no longer worth the hassle. I've tried Aptana, but feel that it's too complex for teaching beginners web design. What's more, I really don't like the requirement that Eclipse-based editors have for working in a project paradigm on web files. I use Netbeans for CompSci, which IS project-oriented, but that makes a lot more sense given the language. So, what are the free (as in, free) options out there that support HTML/CSS/JS/CF that are at least reasonably user-friendly? Thanks, Pete ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
CFBuilder 2 has a free edition. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: here is a big list of editors http://carehart.org/cf411/#editcf On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I teach web design, web programming (JavaScript, some JS libraries, SQL, and CF), and computer science at a public high school that has zero budget for software for my classes. We have a license for Homesite, but it doesn't play well with our environment and is no longer worth the hassle. I've tried Aptana, but feel that it's too complex for teaching beginners web design. What's more, I really don't like the requirement that Eclipse-based editors have for working in a project paradigm on web files. I use Netbeans for CompSci, which IS project-oriented, but that makes a lot more sense given the language. So, what are the free (as in, free) options out there that support HTML/CSS/JS/CF that are at least reasonably user-friendly? Thanks, Pete ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355369 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
I taught an introduction to Web Programming college course for several years using CFEclipse with Adobe ColdFusion. In the very first class I gave them a good overview of using Eclipse on an overhead projector. I walked them through the project creation process and showed them where their files ended up on their local machines. I don't recall any incidents where students had difficulty using the editor. The main problems I had were students simply not understanding how to implement programming concepts in a practical way and students not finishing the projects that they started. Is CF going to be it's own course or are you mixing in CSS, JS, and SQL in with it? In my class I taught simple SQL and CF, and it was hard to squeeze everything in to a single quarter. Warm Regards, Jordan Michaels On 04/11/2013 10:12 AM, Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: I teach web design, web programming (JavaScript, some JS libraries, SQL, and CF), and computer science at a public high school that has zero budget for software for my classes. We have a license for Homesite, but it doesn't play well with our environment and is no longer worth the hassle. I've tried Aptana, but feel that it's too complex for teaching beginners web design. What's more, I really don't like the requirement that Eclipse-based editors have for working in a project paradigm on web files. I use Netbeans for CompSci, which IS project-oriented, but that makes a lot more sense given the language. So, what are the free (as in, free) options out there that support HTML/CSS/JS/CF that are at least reasonably user-friendly? Thanks, Pete ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355370 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Large amounts of CF email
Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) SQL bulk inserts, ftps, and unicode special characters
On 4/11/2013 11:53 PM, Rick Root wrote: No, it doesn't. Not really. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb330962(v=sql.90).aspx actually that page and a decade of my experience says it does. UTF-8 will get transformed (its designed for that) to UCS2 by the db driver. for all practical purposes, sql server does support utf-8 encoded text. BULK INSERT is another matter. UTF-8 was dropped from that particular tool for some reason or another (digging around it looks like maybe a bug that was supposed to be fixed in 2 months, 5 years ago). ms uses the term Unicode Character Format for what BULK INSERT supports but they're the only one that does. not exactly sure what's meant by it but reading thru this page: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms188289.aspx the BOM mentioned there seems to indicate its UTF-16. so i think you're on the right track w/trying to get UTF-16 out of your source using the wide char option. because its ms, i'd try to get little endian UTF-16 to be on the safe side. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355372 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
1. 150k-200k emails/month isn't really that many for a dedicated or even shared server. 2. http://mandrill.com/ is another option and much less expensive than the sendgrid numbers you quoted. On 4/11/13 11:44 AM, Michael Muller wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
ACF10 and cffile
Under ACF8, this: cffile action=upload accept=text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel... ...would accept CSV files. Under ACF10, it throws, Only files of type text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel can be uploaded. Verify that you are uploading a file of the appropriate type. Is that right / known behavior / expected behavior? -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ACF10 and cffile
When I remove the accept and dump the cffile var, I see: CONTENTSUBTYPE vnd.ms-excel CONTENTTYPE application ...which means my accept should be good, no? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Under ACF8, this: cffile action=upload accept=text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel... ...would accept CSV files. Under ACF10, it throws, Only files of type text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel can be uploaded. Verify that you are uploading a file of the appropriate type. Is that right / known behavior / expected behavior? -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
Google Apps is $5 per user per month or $50 per user per year? And Google defines a user as a distinct email inbox. Wow, I'm running SmarterMail 11 that came free with my Virtual Dedicated Server with CF9. Google would cost me about $500 per month! I can do the extra work for that kind of money! http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
And, Russ, I guess you're talking about MS Office Exchange Web App? If so, that would be $4.00 per user per month. That would cost me about $400 per month. Whew! -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine... First, the volumes of e-mail you're talking about may sound like a lot, but they're really not. We have CF apps that do close to half a million messages a day during peak times. (Marketing around holidays, primarily) We use the IIS SMTP service for outgoing delivery. If their e-mails are pretty spread out, 300k/mo would work out to about 830/hour if spread out over 12 hours a day. The IIS SMTP service won't even notice load like that. Install the IIS SMTP service on a server that doesn't already have mail services, ensure it has reverse DNS configured, add its IP to any SPF records you may have for domains you're sending for, configure it to allow relay from your localhost and any other IPs you control, and point ColdFusion at it for e-mail delivery. Simple and no extra hardware needed. All of this assumes you're running Windows, of course. If you're on a *nix platform look at Exim as it can also handle low volume like that without breaking a sweat. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ACF10 and cffile
John, I'm not seeing anything right off that should be causing you an issue. The docs are pretty clear on the accept attribute: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/10.0/CFMLRef/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbec22c24-738f.html I did find a note, in the comments of that bit of the docs, that points out some new bits in the MIME Type handling: http://www.sagarganatra.com/2012/03/coldfusion-10-cffile-restricting-file.html In reading that, you might try setting the strict attribute to false, as a test. You could try, as the docs show it, putting a space between each MIME type. Have you checked Google yet? Might find something there too. I found this StackOverflow post that mentioned that same excel MIME type: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11354070/why-is-coldfusion-server-misinterpreting-an-uploaded-files-mime-type Good luck. Let us know what you come up with. Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 4/11/2013 3:21 PM, John M Bliss wrote: When I remove the accept and dump the cffile var, I see: CONTENTSUBTYPE vnd.ms-excel CONTENTTYPE application ...which means my accept should be good, no? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:17 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Under ACF8, this: cffile action=upload accept=text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel... ...would accept CSV files. Under ACF10, it throws, Only files of type text/csv,application/vnd.ms-excel can be uploaded. Verify that you are uploading a file of the appropriate type. Is that right / known behavior / expected behavior? -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
I wasn't able to find it on the Adobe web site. Do you have a link? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: CFBuilder 2 has a free edition. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. As much as that may sound, it's not a lot of email. Just about any SMTP server can handle that volume. The real trick is timing. If all 100K go out at once then you will need to throttle the output not because of server load but because the receiving servers, in particular AOL, Earthlink and Hotmail will start rejecting email if you try to deliver too much too fast (as determined by them). Having a separate sending SMTP server for broadcasts is in my opinion the best way because you can throttle the delivery on that server without effecting your normal email server and burdening the queue. Just be sure the sending email server has proper PTR (RDNS) and SPF records or a Domain Key, if you use them, and then play with the outbound sending threads to find the optimum delivery speed. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
Adobe should open source homesite This! 10+ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
It is the same as the regular version. After 60 days it turns into the feature limited free version. More details here: http://cfdocyard.blogspot.com/2011/05/coldfusion-builder-express-edition-free.html HTH G! On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I wasn't able to find it on the Adobe web site. Do you have a link? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: CFBuilder 2 has a free edition. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
cfselect not working in ie10
Hello I have a cfselect bind and it is not working on ie10 Please I need help Thanks ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: cfselect not working in ie10
What is happening? Are you getting an error? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:12 PM, sarah mfr sohairz...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello I have a cfselect bind and it is not working on ie10 Please I need help Thanks ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Zero budget, student-friendly CF/HTML/CSS editor?
Adobe should open source homesite ;) There aren't too many Delphi developers around. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
Google Apps is $5 per user per month or $50 per user per year? And Google defines a user as a distinct email inbox. Wow, I'm running SmarterMail 11 that came free with my Virtual Dedicated Server with CF9. Google would cost me about $500 per month! I can do the extra work for that kind of money! http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html Well, no, you can't do the extra work for that kind of money, if by extra work you mean provide an equivalent level of functionality and service. You wouldn't be able to at ten times the cost. That said, a distinct email inbox doesn't necessarily correspond with a single email address, so you may not actually need 100 mailboxes. A single mailbox can have quite a large number of nicknames and can be a member of a practically unlimited number of groups. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
So with your free smartermail server Can you provide 25gb per user Archival Redundancy Uptime sla Included cloud storage and backup facility Online document management, creation and sharing Hundreds of community plugins And all the other msny features that google apps provides? Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 8:58 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Google Apps is $5 per user per month or $50 per user per year? And Google defines a user as a distinct email inbox. Wow, I'm running SmarterMail 11 that came free with my Virtual Dedicated Server with CF9. Google would cost me about $500 per month! I can do the extra work for that kind of money! http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation
RE: Large amounts of CF email
Rick, I guess you did not read my reply fully, it seems you got to the gpogle apps bit and just lost interest. It was one suggestion only, I did not say that was the only solution. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 9:03 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: And, Russ, I guess you're talking about MS Office Exchange Web App? If so, that would be $4.00 per user per month. That would cost me about $400 per month. Whew! -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355390 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
The iis smtp service is ok for absolute no frills, don't care at all what happens to the emails. But the logging is pretty rubbish, so tracking down causes of failures is often very hard or impossible. It doesn't compare to smartermail or hmail which are both free to use for smtp. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 9:08 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote: The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine... First, the volumes of e-mail you're talking about may sound like a lot, but they're really not. We have CF apps that do close to half a million messages a day during peak times. (Marketing around holidays, primarily) We use the IIS SMTP service for outgoing delivery. If their e-mails are pretty spread out, 300k/mo would work out to about 830/hour if spread out over 12 hours a day. The IIS SMTP service won't even notice load like that. Install the IIS SMTP service on a server that doesn't already have mail services, ensure it has reverse DNS configured, add its IP to any SPF records you may have for domains you're sending for, configure it to allow relay from your localhost and any other IPs you control, and point ColdFusion at it for e-mail delivery. Simple and no extra hardware needed. All of this assumes you're running Windows, of course. If you're on a *nix platform look at Exim as it can also handle low volume like that without breaking a sweat. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Large amounts of CF email
The iis smtp service is ok for absolute no frills, don't care at all what happens to the emails. But the logging is pretty rubbish, so tracking down causes of failures is often very hard or impossible. That hasn't been my experience, though I agree the logs could use some improving. I don't have recent experience with SmarterMail, so perhaps it's improved with time, but when I tested it a few years ago it promptly fell over under the loads that we put our servers under while IIS SMTP kept up without any trouble. Your mileage may vary. :) We're in the process of moving delivery to Exim on CentOS because it gives us better control of outgoing mail, routing, etc. than IIS does and still keeps up. For 100k messages a month though it's probably overkill. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
