RE: DevCon 2003
Actually you said it was an 'illegal war' which is pretty unfactual. But yeah, I'm not trying to argue about the war when I could be arguing about MM and this despairing news that the conference may be in Salt Lake City. I mean, no offense to anyone who lives there, but I would never want to vacation there. Orlando, and San Diego on the other hand... I mean... yeah... maybe I can pick up any extra wife... or two. (I'm joking dear) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DevCon 2003 Boo Hoo...press delete it's a free world (for the moment) BTW I didn't mention the P word and I only stated the FACTS Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Edwards Robert (air0rae) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: RE: DevCon 2003 Please try to keep personal political views out of the discussions on this list. I read the messages on here to keep informed of ColdFusion items in the world, not hear disparaging remarks about the President, the War or any other global issues. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DevCon 2003 Yes on the UG Manager list someone asked today if a location had been nailed down yet. Well no answer yet and MM just cancelled a new event (due to the illegal war) they had been playing up bigtime the past 2 weeksso who knows what'll happen to DevCon :-| Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Candace Cottrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: RE: DevCon 2003 Goodness, this may change a lot. If it's still going to be in Sept., we only have 6 months to go (and one week to budget for it) -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not 100% sure, but on the user group manager list I think it was mentioned that DevCon may be on the east coast (not a central loaction that would make sensebut that's a whole different rant). ;-) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: DevCon 2003
Hmmm... what's in Salt Lake City?? Just curious... Apparently Jeebus, and Macromedia. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: DevCon 2003 Got this from the CFDJ list: snipI just emailed MM the other day asking about DevCon and below is their reply. Hope this helps, Steve Although not officially announced yet, the Macromedia annual conference will be held November 18-21, 2003 in Salt Lake City, Utah. We expect that registration fees will be similar to last year, and that registration will open in early July. Thank you for your interest in the conference. We hope that you'll be able to join us in November. Regards, Conference Management /snip Hmmm... what's in Salt Lake City?? Just curious... Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Being that I lambasted MM on their new site, I'd like to say that beta is a remarkable improvement over its predecessor. These page loads times are much more reasonable. Thanks for listening MM. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) I read their what we learned report and it makes fascinating reading. They always said they take feedback seriously, and this shows how seriously they did take it. I am a little embarrassed by how brutal the CF community was in their critique of the beta-1 site, but it is obvious that no matter how the critique was worded or presented, MM listened and did a yeoman's job in addressing just about all of the issues brought forward. About the only issue I still see is that while community is still listed under support, the old support page does not seem to be accessible from the main page, instead a new page called Support and Training comes up. I was able to find the old support page by going to the site map link. This may well be something that is yet to be addressed, as beta-2 was brought online within a week of beta-1, that it is not a big deal to me. Page load time is much more acceptable (for Flash) and the right click is yet to be implemented, but what the heck? Thanks, MM! = Douglas White group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
It probably says that they use an out-of-the-box solution for feedback. I wouldn't expect MM to reinvent the wheel for every internal application they use. Although, They'd be a lot coler if they did. - Dazed and Confused. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) webfeedback.cgi? what the heck...why does mm use cgi and perl, I assume? not to sure what that tells me? ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Please make sure you submit these suggestions to the following URL: http://macromedia.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi As I hope we have demonstrated, we take feedback seriously and read it all. There are some good ideas here this morning, and I want to make sure they are captured. Christian On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *twitch* is there a reason why you can't conveniently find a list of all currently availible MM updaters? IE I want any updater's availible for all of the Studio MX suite (CFMX/FlashMX/Contribute/freehand/etc) and CFSTUDIO 5.0 updates if there are any but the only way I can find to get the damn things is to go through every products support pages, check and see if tehre are any updates, and then install them if I can find them. Why not a consolidated list? or hell even a MM_Updater for win/Mac that just checks for any installed MM product and installs the relevant updates? /vent ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF and PhotoShop
I agree. ImageReady isn't a Photoshop replacement, but I do use it for all batch processing with droplets and it works great. It has a lower over head than PS so running batches doesn't take up all your resources. Although I've never tried to use cfexecute to run droplets live on a server. Sounds like a good experiment. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and PhotoShop Don't know if it was answered - but that I know of droplet is an Adobe Image Ready term - same as macro or I think Macr MX is called a sriptlet etc etc. jay miller P.S. I was never impressed with ImageReady but it did have photoshopts basic image editing and much nicer batch processing - perhaps a possibility? - may allow for com - Owens, Howard wrote: Sorry for the ignorant question ... please define droplet H. -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [ SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: CF and PhotoShop What if you created a droplet and used cfexecute to run the droplet? Can you create a droplet that will work on every file in a certain directory? The main thing that scares me about trying to script photoshop is loading and unloading it. Its a bulky program that can take forever to load. Maybe you could have it load automatically on startip. DM = -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2003 8:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF and PhotoShop Any of you ever scripted CF to run tasks in PhotoShop? Can it be done? CFExecute and all that. On Win2K? Any pointers on how to do it? H. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Coordinator InsideVC.com/Ventura County Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
On the topic of updaters, why are beta updaters so exclusive? I've heard there is an updater 3 beta for CFMX, but cannot seem to find it anywhere. Updaters which normally fix a lot of bugs shouldn't be privately beta tested, since some people would gladly risk a beta if it meant fixing mission critical bugs. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) *twitch* is there a reason why you can't conveniently find a list of all currently availible MM updaters? IE I want any updater's availible for all of the Studio MX suite (CFMX/FlashMX/Contribute/freehand/etc) and CFSTUDIO 5.0 updates if there are any but the only way I can find to get the damn things is to go through every products support pages, check and see if tehre are any updates, and then install them if I can find them. Why not a consolidated list? or hell even a MM_Updater for win/Mac that just checks for any installed MM product and installs the relevant updates? /vent ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Slightly OT: MM Updaters
I posted to a different thread but I thought I would reiterate here: Why are the beta updaters so elusive? Do they really need a private group of beta testes for updaters? Since these updaters fix a good many bugs they should be made public right away and let us make the risk decisions when necessary. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Slightly OT: MM Updaters They were actually the two I found - Or rather I've got CFMX updater 2 on hand, I don't have the 3 beta, which i'm told fixes some com issues created with updater 2? - Original Message - From: Dave Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Slightly OT: MM Updaters i have cfmx dwmx handy from a few days ago when I reinstalled if you need them i could mail or something. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:22 AM Subject: Slightly OT: MM Updaters Does anybody have a list somewhere of the latest current updaters for the MM suite and download locations? IE I want to chase up updaters for CFServer 5.0 CFStudio 5.0 CFMX DWMX HomeSite+ FlashMX FreehandMX DirectorMX Contribute JRun Authorware 6.5 Flash Com's Server Flash Remoting MX and keep up to date with them - I'm also looking at playing with a few other bits and pieces. Is there an FTP location somewhere? A convenient index? A downloads page thats reasonably accessible? I'm trawling through product pages, technotes, support documents, there doesnt appear to be a consistent naming convention for download page names even, they're all over the place. Any thoughts on a better way would be most apprieciated. Cheers Sean ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Ouch. ZDNet wasn't to kind about macromedia.com. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2131698,00.html Again, the new version is much better and I hope ZDNet writes a follow-up article on how Macromedia has graciously responded to all the criticism. But I do with Macromedia would stop touting this argument: When you move from an HTML world into a much richer desktop-oriented world, that's a big change, and people just have difficulty with change, he said. Any time you change a Web site, there's an initial week or so where people don't feel comfortable yet and you hear a lot of feedback. It's bullshit. If there is one thing that can be said about web developers, is that we are accustomed to change. From the tools we use to the technology, everything changes constantly. We're just critical of the wrong types of change, not change itself. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Well, Macromedia has changed the site with the feedback they received from the community. http://www.macromedia.com Like it better? Worse? They also released a report about what they learned (good and bad) from the first week of the new site. http://www.macromedia.com/special/progress_report/ (This is really interesting... you should read it..) Pablo ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
] * -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Ouch. ZDNet wasn't to kind about macromedia.com. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2131698,00.html Again, the new version is much better and I hope ZDNet writes a follow-up article on how Macromedia has graciously responded to all the criticism. But I do with Macromedia would stop touting this argument: When you move from an HTML world into a much richer desktop-oriented world, that's a big change, and people just have difficulty with change, he said. Any time you change a Web site, there's an initial week or so where people don't feel comfortable yet and you hear a lot of feedback. It's bullshit. If there is one thing that can be said about web developers, is that we are accustomed to change. From the tools we use to the technology, everything changes constantly. We're just critical of the wrong types of change, not change itself. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Well, Macromedia has changed the site with the feedback they received from the community. http://www.macromedia.com Like it better? Worse? They also released a report about what they learned (good and bad) from the first week of the new site. http://www.macromedia.com/special/progress_report/ (This is really interesting... you should read it..) Pablo ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jaye do you have the I'm smarter than you, so you are wrong argument ready for cut and paste? Seriously Zero, what did I say that was so idiotic? Could you explain to me why it's so idiotic so that I could possibly learn something? You can't blame me for being stupid, if you aren't willing to enlighten me. Yes you can manipulate files in conjunction with CFMX, but as I said, Flash won't replace your traditional desktop app, because it currently needs the server for its power. Hence, it isn't a desktop application. Out side of claiming you are smarter than I, what is your point? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people can say really idiotic things. On moving data and files etc... there are ways to get it done in conjunction with cfmx, but you appear to be a one dimensional thinker. You are out of your depth. As for your theory for the 30 second download, ask that of Joshua Davis and his dreamless.org. You can try to resist the future if you will, but the reality is that it's coming right for you. Deal with it and as we say in our office, get over yourself. -//- jaye morris I've stopped 19,329 spam messages. You can too! Get your free, safe spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps. Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even in the most advanced RIA, if any client files are needed, you have to go back to HTML. It would be really nice to have one single language that could be used for everything from desktop apps to server side scripting. It was the goal of Java, but I think it will be accomplished by MS and their CRL approach. Flash isn't even in the realm of comparison imho. As for long load times, are we just going to disregard the studies proving that if I site doest load fast, people don't view it? I agree it's impatient and hard to believe people won't wait 30 seconds, but it's unfortunately true. By the way, if MMs site used to take 30s to load on my universities connection, I'd hate to see how long it took on 56k. Thankfully MM recognized the feedback (bitching) from our community and removed half the flash content from the site. Now it's a much more reasonable speed. If they want to move it back to a complete flash solution it's probably best to do it slowly over the course of a few years, not immediately just because they can. On the contrary, we need to be as critical as possible. Unlike HTML and other controlling technologies on the web, this one is under the sole control of one company. Not the WC3. Outside of Lingo, Macromedia didn't touch any sort of programming until about 2-3 years ago with actionScript, and they bought their server side languages. So I think it's very important and rightly so to be critical as they have never done anything like this in the past. Luckily they do seem to listen to developers, cause after all it comes down to us, whether a technology will be a success. As long as Macromedia forges new territory, expect to hear me bitching about it deficiencies. You can't expect us all to just have blind faith. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) This is a snippet of a response to the ZDNet article about Macromedia.com, I thought I'd pass it along here as well ... RANT ... with RIA applications you will inherently have a longer load time because you're loading the entire application at once. With traditional web applications you get page-by-page loads which is faster initially, but overall I would imagine you sit and wait longer for traditional HTML pages when all is said and done. Think about it - 35 seconds to load an HTML page is slow, but to load 50 HTML pages it's pretty fast. That's what RIAs give you, the equivalent of an entire application in one page load. Most users don't complain about Microsoft Outlook taking 30 seconds to load, it's total lack of accessibility features and it's generally sluggish behavior when doing searches, etc. but when a web application doesn't load in 6 seconds and the link to the second version of the site in HTML doesn't leap out and grab your attention then everyone is up in arms. We're all accustomed to looking
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jochem, But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk (outside of the cookie-esque system in place). But isn't that where security issues would come in to play? Now I would have an application (not an inactive HTML form control) that could access my disk. I always assumed this is why this functionality was left out of Flash. I would almost guarantee that the government would disallow the flash plug-in if this was the case. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps. Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even in the most advanced RIA, if any client files are needed, you have to go back to HTML. Local files are evil because IT managers have no control over them ;-) Apart from that, just fill out the wishform. File uploading is not an outrageous feature. The groundwork, a wire-protocol that supports binary transfer, is in place already. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server, hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from Flash, but exactly how does that get around needing HTML to make an API call to the browser to get local disk access? (Thanks for pointing that out Barney) You ultra futuristic flash application still needs a browser and HTML. 2. I know java Mr. Zero, and flash is no java. It's a completely different beast all together. As for cd-roms, why wouldn't I want to use something more powerful, like Director? Additionally Flash can't access outside APIs. I can't use a java class in flash, nor could I access outlook on my PDA to check my calendar. 3. I'm not bashing Flash at all. I've been using it for 3 years now, and Flash MX is awesome. But I'm also not going to claim that Flash is appropriate for every application in every instance. It is unmatched in RIA, but don't forget the definition. Rich _Internet_ Application. I'm not seeing problems. I'm seeing the limitations and being realistic. I'm giving reasons for my criticism and I'm trying to understand your side of the argument. Jaye, you say you are down with .NET, so you are obviously not just privy to MM. Don't you think MS will come out with a competitor to Flash. I mean if it is the future, they'd be foolish not to. But if they did, then Flash might not be the future. So you can may be CF programmer and Multimedia, but you should also remember business. After all, it's probably second in importance of an emerging technology. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) 1. You can make a call from flash to a cfc, accessing the cf_file function and upload a file that way. FlashMX and CFMX are built for intergraction. Additionally you can do some very cool server side scripting. 2. What about the concept of the web on your desktop, everywhere you are. In additionl, look at what intel just released in their NEW chip. Not only low battery usage, mega horsepower but built in wireless 802.11b connectivity. Flash is JAVA realized. Write your application once and not only have it to the web, but interactive cd-rom, pda's and other appliances. 3. It seems easy for you (and others) to unendingly bash Flash. It is really a beautiful thing. Perhaps instead of downing it all the time, ask why and how. You appear in a specific paradigmn, looking only in one direction. I am a CF developer but also Multimedia. I am looking in all directions. CF, .NET, Flash, Remoting, Javascript, CSS, HTML, etc... Is the glass 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. I don't dislike you or anybody else, but I do find some of the postions being taken to be illogical or uninformed. It's too easy to dump on FlashMX and not fully understand how to bring the resources together and create great applications. That why people come to us and not the 12 yo kid. We are professionals. The non-professional see's only problems. The professional only see's solutions. That's why my clients pay me what they pay me. -//- Jaye -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Jaye do you have the I'm smarter than you, so you are wrong argument ready for cut and paste? Seriously Zero, what did I say that was so idiotic? Could you explain to me why it's so idiotic so that I could possibly learn something? You can't blame me for being stupid, if you aren't willing to enlighten me. Yes you can manipulate files in conjunction with CFMX, but as I said, Flash won't replace your traditional desktop app, because it currently needs the server for its power. Hence, it isn't a desktop application. Out side of claiming you are smarter than I, what is your point? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people can say really idiotic things. On moving data and files etc... there are ways to get it done in conjunction with cfmx, but you appear to be a one dimensional thinker. You are out of your depth. As for your theory for the 30 second download, ask that of Joshua Davis and his dreamless.org. You can try to resist the future if you will, but the reality is that it's coming right for you. Deal with it and as we say in our office, get over yourself. -//- jaye morris I've stopped 19,329 spam messages. You can too! Get your free, safe spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Ok stop me if I'm wrong but this is my rationale. The browser, which is a trusted application, cannot access the file system without direct command of the client. The user has to actually click the button to initiate. Being that HTML is a document and not a programming language, the only executable logic run is through Javascript. Javascript has limited access to the browser's API and cannot initiate this. Now most government institutions do not even allow javascript. It's the policy to disallow any client side code that isn't approved. Now, Flash also runs client side code of sorts. Except right now, the only thing it can touch outside of itself, is the client vars added in MX. Although, I agree it's still completely safe, Flash is getting to the point where anything more and security may come into question. So I can see the government saying, ok it is running client side code, but it's completely contained within itself. To move forward Flash would need to access either the browser's API or the directly the OS. I think the more ways Flash has to communicate outside of itself, the more insecure it will be deemed. Of course the government over reacts about security. I mean how much damage can Javascript really do? But alas, they still don't allow it. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk (outside of the cookie-esque system in place). But isn't that where security issues would come in to play? Now I would have an application (not an inactive HTML form control) that could access my disk. I always assumed this is why this functionality was left out of Flash. I would almost guarantee that the government would disallow the flash plug-in if this was the case. Does the government disallow browsers? Browsers are applications that can access the file system :-) Just program Flash to behave according to the security rules specified in the HTTP and HTML standards. Or make Flash leverage the file uploading capabilities of browsers in some clever way through direct API access. The bottom line is that the government trusts IE, so there is no reason they should not trust Flash even if the built-in security is half backed (although I would appreciate it if it was a bit better as what is in IE). Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Totally different systems. Emails are sent to a server before being pushed onto the client. At the server we can analyze the email, check for macros, and run virus protection on all attachments. Flash applications can be requested by any user and there is no server in the middle to check if the .swf file may contain malicious code. (yet) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) How is this any more dangerous than Outlook having access to your filesystem and to the web both? Any email client accesses your local files and connects to the web, why is it that much more of a security risk for Flash to access the disk than an application you install yourself? Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Jochem, But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk (outside of the cookie-esque system in place). But isn't that where security issues would come in to play? Now I would have an application (not an inactive HTML form control) that could access my disk. I always assumed this is why this functionality was left out of Flash. I would almost guarantee that the government would disallow the flash plug-in if this was the case. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps. Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even in the most advanced RIA, if any client files are needed, you have to go back to HTML. Local files are evil because IT managers have no control over them ;-) Apart from that, just fill out the wishform. File uploading is not an outrageous feature. The groundwork, a wire-protocol that supports binary transfer, is in place already. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Actually yes, someone did say that Flash would replace Visual Basic. That's what started this whole thing. You have to realize, what Macromedia is doing is laying the groundwork for a whole new way to create applications, you can't expect that type of technology to be 100% from day 1. Eventually web applications will behave almost identically to desktop applications and in most cases will even replace them. I would hate to think that the future of software would be based on HTML. Flash, server-side processing and RIAs are the future of not only the web, but software as we know it. We need to be helpful and supportive of this process instead of being so critical. I've focused on access to local files, as it's a major advantage over desktop applications written in Java or VB have over Flash. Hence I don't see Flash as being a reasonable replacement. For once Dave I completely agree. Well almost, I'm still going to be paranoid and assume MS is out to get everyone. I find I'm usually more right that I am wrong with this theory. Probably would have been laughed at 5 years ago if I said they be competing with Nintendo. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) 1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server, hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from Flash, but exactly how does that get around needing HTML to make an API call to the browser to get local disk access? (Thanks for pointing that out Barney) You ultra futuristic flash application still needs a browser and HTML. If you're building a desktop application, which doesn't access the network at all, there are many more suitable tools than Flash, I think. But you could do it in Flash, using the projector stuff, and I'm sure there are ways to get local access to the filesystem when doing that. But who really cares about that? No one here seems to be arguing for Flash as a replacement for, say, Visual Basic. The concept of rich clients implies the existence of a network. If it's a network application, it's typically still going to be launched through a browser, since that's how people navigate the internet. I don't see that as a big deal, though. And how many network applications need to read your filesystem anyway? Don't you think MS will come out with a competitor to Flash. I mean if it is the future, they'd be foolish not to. No, I don't think MS will come out with anything that would be a direct competitor with Flash. I don't think it's in their interest. Their interest, bluntly stated, is anything that'll sell copies of Windows. What do they care about lightweight, cross-platform technology? As far as they care, they already have their competing product - the .NET Framework, and Windows Forms. If an end-user has the .NET Framework installed, you can essentially build Windows applications and deliver them through the web (much like ActiveX, basically). That's way, way ahead of Flash in functionality. Not a viable solution for the non-Windows users, or even for many people running current versions of Windows - I can just imagine my landlord downloading it onto his Pentium 166 through his 28Kbps modem connection. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Right on, but I think you put my concerns into a better language. Where an HTML document is open source data, a SWF is executable code. It seems much more threatening to give this executable code access to the OS or broswer's API. I know this is a small concern, but Flash is a viable technology because of the high percentage of users that have the pulg-in. If it presents the smallest opportunity of security issues, then we could see that percentage fall. Which would suck. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: Ok stop me if I'm wrong but this is my rationale. The browser, which is a trusted application, cannot access the file system without direct command of the client. Sure it can. It won't, but it can. The user has to actually click the button to initiate. Being that HTML is a document and not a programming language, the only executable logic run is through Javascript. This is why I said it required some clever way. There is nothing that prohibits Flash from accessing the browser at a lower layer. Some layer that allows Flash to initiate the upload, and then makes the browser show a confirmation popup. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Alright alright. It's 7:30pm on Friday and I'm still in office. I've gotten a lot from this thread, so thanks to all. Even you Jaye. In summary RIAs are great, but they are not the end all solution. Macromedia is an innovative company that respects and listens to the opinions of developers. Although critique is important of emerging technology, we shouldn't be overly critical and MM deserves some praise for pushing the boundaries of web applications. I'd still be concerned with security if Flash could access the API of the OS. And as always Dave Watts delivers. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) Miller, Kevin wrote: Actually, this one of the things that pure HTML can do rather well. Yes and no. With clean-cut HTML and stylesheets you can get pretty far with displaying content. But typically those are not what I would call applications, they are more websites as for instance email clients. In order to achieve it, though, you need to give up control over the presentation layer - something that most people are ultimately unwilling to do. They will have to learn to deal, one way or another. One way might be because people don't want to visit sites that want to restrict people. If one website allows me to use my own stylesheets so I can adjust it for the low contrast of a LCD monitor on a laptop, and the other one doesn't, I know which site I am visiting. Another way might be when people start to realize what Accessibility really means (UAAG rule 3 4 are nice examples) and the laws get stricter. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Com and CFMX
Robert, I feel your pain. Although is a huge pain in the arse, I found that by creating wrappers in .NET for the COM object I wanted to use, I was able to get them working properly in CF. I've also found that a lot of the time CFMX doesn't like the type of variables returned by COM and vice-versa. Basically I just write a wrapper that only passes the minimum amount of data between CF and COM. i.e. if I want to get a word count of a doc using word, I'll put all the logic inside the wrapper, so the only thing CF has to pass to it is the filename. (Even hard-coding the filename when possible, so CF really only needs to trigger it.) Btw. Didn't you get the memo from MM that said 'COM was dead'? j/k Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Com and CFMX Yeah, I gave up trying to get it to work. Guess I am moving over to ASP for this part of the application. Thanks! Robert Bailey Famous for nothing -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Com and CFMX It helped in the senses that before the updater the COM was totally unusable. Now it's somewhat usable. Bottom line is that it's not totally fixed yet. - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Com and CFMX even the updater did not help the server, ugh Thanks! Robert Bailey Famous for nothing -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Com and CFMX Updater 2 fixed alot of issues but there's still one for me where it doesn't release the object from memory for a few seconds. Not a real issue if your object is multi-threaded but a problem for me as the object I'm using is not. So ASP it is for the COM stuff. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Com and CFMX there is info on this in the known issues lists at macromedia.com D -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Com and CFMX So running the same scripts under CFMX and CF5 server, they do not work under CFMX. So I am guessing the CFMX is having some problems communicating with com objects. Any work arounds or has MM addressed this issue? Any pointers would be very welcomed, as I really need to be able to work with com objects within CFMX and it is a little disappointing that I am unable to :( Thanks! Robert Bailey Famous for nothing ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF and PhotoShop
What do you mean PS is scriptable with javaScript? Do you have any URLs about this? Are you trying to run batches client-side? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF and PhotoShop We've hit a brick wall in dealing with IM on this particular server ... the problem isn't IM, it's GhostScript. It just refuses to run on this one machine. To answer the previous question -- I need to batch convert, automated like, PDFs to JPGs. Besides the previous problems with GS, PS is just much more stable in dealing with PDFs than GS. Since I sent my e-mail, I've learned that PS is scriptable with JavaScript on Win, so I'll be looking into that, I guess. Or the other option is switch the imaging processing to a Mac and use AppleScript. We're also looking into that. H. -Original Message- From: Buckland, Ramon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF and PhotoShop Depending on what type of processing you want, you may find the solution in ImageMagick http://www.imagemagick.org/ There is abit of work done with ImageMagick and ColdFusion tags, just google for more info. -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2003 8:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF and PhotoShop Any of you ever scripted CF to run tasks in PhotoShop? Can it be done? CFExecute and all that. On Win2K? Any pointers on how to do it? H. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Coordinator InsideVC.com/Ventura County Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Todd I think that is where the pitfall with RIA lies. Sure I could design an RIA by myself. I've got extensive CF experience, very comfortable with CFMX and remoting as well as Flash/Actionscript. But when we take an application out of the traditional browser, which the general consumer has _slowly_ grown comfortable with, we lose a lot of the structure and barriers. A very small aspect would be the multiple colors of active and visited links. From bookmarking and copying shortcuts to form controls; the general user has become familiar with these devices. When creating these applications is a flash-only environment, you are taking all familiarity away from the user. Every application will be a completely new experience to the user. Things that they were comfortable in the past no longer exists and a user is forced to learn how to use each application on their own from scratch. This is why usability has suddenly become a more predominant issue. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable at all deploying an RIA that only a designer and programmer developed. I would want a usability expert to spend just as much time, if not more, than we spent coding and developing the application, to ensure a user will be able to use it. Although and RIA can be developed with a very small team, I'm weary of the overall effectiveness. Again, I'm not trying to bash MM for forward thinking. I'm merely trying to figure out why there is a concerning amount of malcontent among MM developers. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website At 05:08 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't tell you where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know where I, a MM developer will be in a year either. Then don't upgrade? Keep the current version you have and remain a happy camper? Don't do any RIA development. RIA is nothing more than MM trying to set a trend. You can either jump on the trend bandwagon or you can look for another trend. Currently, where I work ... we're developing our first RIA website for a lawyer firm. Basically the whole public side is going to be done in flash. We're also offering a low bandwidth side, not because we have too, but because we realize that not everyone wants to jump on the flash bandwagon and I showed my bosses that it is entirely possible to build both the static and flash site at the same time using the same CFCs. We have one flash developer in-house that has never done remoting before in his life and ... right now, he's making it look all too easy. He's enjoying it, it's something new for him. So far it has NOT increased ANY additional time or money necessary for us to complete this website. It should be launched by the end of April and everything is right on schedule as it stands. It will be using CFMX for the backend/admin and Flash MX/Remoting/CFMX for the front end. So, it's a choice... either your clients want it or they won't. Either you will do it or you won't. Just one man's opinion, ~Todd -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
But what about the universal standard usability in HTML based applications? The power of HTML is its standardization. A drop down box is a drop down box no matter the browser, OS, internet connection. A user who recognizes an underlined word as a link, can assume that for all HTML based applications. You want to throw away everything the user has become accustomed to, and rewriting your own rules of usability for every application, and this is supposed to provide the user with a better experience? Seems like you are just going to alienate the user, and make surfing the web increasingly difficult. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, not because of it. HTML doesn't suck. It's a beautifully simple means of presenting textual information. And with CSS, the potential is there for it to be presented just as elegantly as any print-based layout. However, HTML wasn't designed to function as an application user interface. Which then gets to everything else you said. Yes, I just assumed that people would understand that I was criticizing HTML as an interface for applications. It's fine for content. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Pros Cons of RIAs
So, in all the responses I've gotten, I've seen RIAs are not for you then RIAs really don't make for good e-commerce. So my question is: When is an RIA justified? When is there a benefit to create an RIA over an HTML application? In the responses I've gotten, there has only been one Pro, the optimization of bandwidth. I think the other is quite obvious, although left unsaid, aesthetics. So far I my list of cons is: - More expensive to develop - Requires more developers - No application consistency - Requires a plug-in - Initial Load Times Increased Dramatically - Requirements for internet connection and computer speeds increased - We rely on a sole company to continue and support the technology (MM) rather than a consensus (WC3) *No one can buy the wc3 and discontinue HTML My list of pros: - After initial load bandwidth can be used more efficiently - Aesthetics Do we have any case studies comparing RIAs to HTML applications? I've heard the pitch numerous times from MM in the last year. I've been hearing it for about 4 year (Generator). Seriously I'm not trying to trash MM or RIAs... I'm just trying to develop a set of rules so I know when it _is_ justified to develop and RIA. Let's please keep this out of the realms of business politics of MM and how they treat developers and have a discussion solely on RIAs. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, not because of it. HTML doesn't suck. It's a beautifully simple means of presenting textual information. And with CSS, the potential is there for it to be presented just as elegantly as any print-based layout. However, HTML wasn't designed to function as an application user interface. Which then gets to everything else you said. Yes, I just assumed that people would understand that I was criticizing HTML as an interface for applications. It's fine for content. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye, You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling points. Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be 'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. This backlash is a predictable outcome they should have seen coming. Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website Wow. Talk about culture shock. There has been quite a bit said today about the new (beta) version of the layout. I have checked out the site and it was well done. Personally I was impressed with some of the backend action going on. Pretty tight indeed. Try out the Your account section. I assume they are using remoting on steroids.I am intrigued as hell at the entire gig and the richness of the environment. This is showing a great many possibilities, for all of us. Related to the site seems slow (etc.), this is a beta. Code gets tweaked, enhanced etc. All those people on the various soap boxes.. Have you not had to go back and tweak your own code, in order to make it faster and more responsive? Have you yourselves possibly had to work out some unintended glitches and gotcha's? Sometime I like to go back and study my code (and UI) and see how I could do it better. Tony Weeg, who is our lead developer many times will say hey what about this. and in the end show me different (often better ways of doing something) in the end making me a better programmer. MM staff members are developers to. Instead of having such a strong knee jerk reaction, perhaps we should help them beta test this thing and offer CONSTRUCTIVE DIRECTION. Even experts can learn new methods. They seem to put themselves out there, listen and where possible, integrate information from our massively strong. In closing I will leave you with this: 1. People have a tough time with change (if for not other reason than they might have to fix their favorites). BTW in psychology this is called a paradigm shift (e.g. learning to see things in a new way). 2. Macromedia put their money where their mouth is. Here's a realty check for you. How many times have you been to one of the elite prophets of flash (including the book writers) and there is no flash on their site? (gawd.. Now that is a true contradiction. Highly encourage something and then not use it or demonstrate it yourself (in terms of practical application use). What does that tell our client when we are out there promoting RIA? 3. CFMX and FlashMX (combined with remoting) can carry this process to the next level. I encourage myself and you to be there (and I am sure you will). Peace, Love and Soul Train!! Good coding, my friends. -//- Jaye Morris - Multimedia Developer -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.jayezero.com ~|
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Yes CF is still the fastest. Up to about 6 months ago should be the primary goal of web any application developer, according to MM. They stressed how cost effective it is to speed up development and use less programmers. They told us to shrink our web development teams, develop on CF, and web applications will be done cheaper and faster. Cost effective. The boss will be happy. Yaddy yadda yadda. Call me a fool, but I bought into it, and I still believe it. The philosophy of the company has done an about face. Now it's about investing huge budgets large teams. This contrast couldn't really be more extreme. Basically, Macromedia taught me to oppose the notion of RIA for these reasons. Now they want me to change my mind. It just seems like ill timing to get us to spend more when the economy is in a slump. Now more than ever is it important to cut the fat and not be as frugal as we were in the late 90s. I'm speaking from a few years of meeting a lot of developers and seeing how companies have adopted Cold Fusion. The large majority of companies I've seen using CF have development teams under 5 people. Additionally it's rare that an entire department is working one sole application. So most teams are very small, if not lone. As I said, it's a failure to me. If I launched a large corporate site that was this unresponsive, neglected the _large_ majority of users without broadband, and didn't display properly across browsers... it's a failure. But I'm one of those people who like to beta test _before_ making it live. I think the 'beta' label is just a reaction to the negative feedback. You are right... it is just a website. But it's a website for a company that claims to be the end all resource for building websites, so of course the bar is much higher than say http://www.realultimatepower.net/. I'm also not talking about the website, I'm talking about MM, RIA's and the future of the web. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Kief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. How has this really changed though?? CF is *still* the fastest way to get web apps out the door. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. I don't agree with this. I don't hear MM replacing one statement with another. Rather, the RIA initiative is an *additional* statement. In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling points. If a prerequisite to all software development was the ability to produce said software with one developer, we would probably be in a sad state of affairs at the moment. That being said, you *can* still produce CF web apps with one developer. But if you would like to tackle larger, more complex projects such as RIAs, your associated development time and costs will have to change accordingly. If that wasn't the case, we'd all be building Amazon.com for $200. Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be 'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. I think it's a little too early to label the site a failure. Come on, it's only been 1 day. Like any project, there will be bugs and other issues to iron out. But I'm glad to see MM taking this step and pushing the limits of what's possible on the web. It's only going to make my job easier in the future as they will find and address problems with the development and deployment of RIAs. As for the
RE: The New Macromedia Website
you make a change that page must reload. Queries, XML, HTML, CFML, Javascript and all. Using remoting you can load the interface once and from there on out just pass data (e.g. a dramatic bandwidth savings) and your are not reloading the UI, etc... That is a cool thing. Also people seem to have a difficult time trusting what they may not fully understand (and that's no diss on you or anyone else). 4. as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Jaye's response: As the sophistication and robustness grows, so does the price to be honest with you. I am a capitalist, that does not bother me. Do you think it bothers the gas company if they charge you $2 instead of $1. RIA's in my mind bring us closer to the point that we can put desktop applications out, due to the robustness of CMFL, CFC's and Actionscript. 5. I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. Jaye's Response: MM's people make decisions about their website like we make decisions about the sites we develop. Personally I don't find it that heavy. 6. Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. Jaye's Response: MM has been warming us up for about a year now. You can go back through DEVNET and read a huge amount of articles and tutorials. In addition MM provides Free online presentations (I attended one last week) giving greater insight to the technology. It's there and available to you. 7. Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. Jaye's Response: I am not sure if the expression curve ball can really be used. We have all seen it coming. Maybe people anxiety is increased a little saying, where do I start. CFUG's are a great place to start. I attended a great CFUG meeting with Charlie Arehart (www.Systemmanagement.com) about a month ago. He focused on getting CF developers over the hump with building a RIA in about 15 minutes... start to finish. Once it was over, those fearing the FlashMX timeline said wow that was painless. 8. To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. Jaye's Response: I cannot say I am in your shoes. When Microsoft released .NET for all intents and purposes there where a lot of developers who have been doing that stuff for years and then they had to re-tool and learn not only a new language and ways of thinking about their applications, but new standards and practices as well. To use a metaphor, this is like a relationship. The parties cannot possibly stay as they where when they first met. For the relationship to be a success... if they are to continue on together, they have to compromise and learn to accommodate each other. Macromedia standing over our shoulders (like our clients sometimes like to...lol) and say YOU MUST CODE THIS EXACT WAY and MAKE YOU INTERFACE EXACTLY LIKE THAT to be a solid coder. That is up to you. You are paid based on your coding and design skills, not Macromedia's. They are not god. They just make some pretty cool tools. Sorry for any typo's. Keep the Faith, -//- Jaye Morris - Multimedia Developer -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.jayezero.com !--- Adam's original message starts here --- -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website Jaye, You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling points. Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its own
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Outside of the slow loading and horrid usability of the front page, exactly how is the site a RIA now? And how is it different from before? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! Pablo, Don't let a disabled person hear you call them Handicapped, that is the Politically incorrect term (by the way). I took a seminar a while back on Section 508 and they explained that the word Handicap was given to disabled people because most disabled people at the time were Vietnam vets. The word handy capped means to had out a baseball call in and ask for a hand out. Notice that those signs now say Disabled and not handicapped. I think that was probably the point! ;oD Stephen ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Where to purchase CF 5
Joe, I have a sealed copy of CF5 Enterprise I can sell. Contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Tartaglia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Where to purchase CF 5 Does anyone have any ideas on where I can purchase a legal copy of CF Server 5 for Windows? Thanks Joe Tartaglia High Caliber Solutions 212-684-5553 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: windows .net server 2003 and cf
That's what I'm doing this weekend. I'll post an update on how it all turns out. I'm going to install CFMX on win2k3 RC2. I have a feeling looking at Kazmierczak's post that it won't setup IIS correctly since it's a new version. But I'll bet it can be done manually. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: windows .net server 2003 and cf hi there. is anyone yet running cfmx on server 2003 or .net server, im not sure if they are one in the same... thanks ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF - PHP comparisons?
Vince I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to PHP vs CF. But lets be honest with ourselves, there is no CF does NOT have full access to the .NET framework. It barely... barely supports COM anymore. Getting CF to work well with Windows API is an exercise in patience and determination. Just look at cfComet now... about 80% of their tutorials don't even work anymore. These same issues will exist in .NET. BlueDragon will be nice, but without CFCs and a lot of MX functionality... it isn't a satisfactory solution for me. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF - PHP comparisons? Hi Mike, I tend to agree with your comments regarding the richness of PHP. If you do a straight comparison of PHP and CFML's built-in functions then they seem pretty equal. However, one thing that's changed in the CFML world with the introduction of CFMX and BlueDragon is that you now have seamless access to the full set of Java APIs from CFML. With the release of BlueDragon for .NET you'll similarly have seamless access to the full .NET Framework (APIs) from within CFML. In effect, the set of CFML functions is being expanded to include all of the Java APIs or all of the .NET APIs, depending on which platform you prefer. It seems to me that since PHP is not built on either of the two major platform technologies (Java or .NET), it's richness is going to suffer in comparison as CFML developers learn to take advantage of the integration with Java and .NET. Also, look at the way CFMX leveraged the Java platform to implement web services support (via Apache Axis). PHP is not going to be able to take advantage of the underlying platform technology the way CFMX did; instead they're going to have to implement their own solution from scratch. It seems to me that this will be a major disadvantage of PHP. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Mike Alberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF - PHP comparisons? Since I develop with both CF and php, I guess I'll add my .02... Also respectfully to you Dave, this is NOT a terrible comparison. With the exception of the part about user defined functions, the comparison seems pretty valid to me, even though it is quite old. In addition, php has made great strides in the last couple of years: There are at least 3 very good IDE's for php (Zend Studio, Nusphere PhpEd and Activestate Komodo), as well as some decent simple code editors (php coder/Maguma Studio, etc. Zend has done some other great things for php, like code encryption, acceleration, caching, etc. Granted these products are not free, but their new 'Small Business Program' lets you get all of that stuff with the IDE for a $295 lifetime payment. This is an absolute bargain. Now I still love the CF language, and it's what I prefer to code in, for its ability to let me get projects done quickly. But over the years of using CF I've developed my own 'methodology', that implements the Application Framework, as well as some other ways of doing things that are sort of like Fusebox (only simpler). I've personally found that I can use this same framework in php as well, and the only thing that changes is the syntax of the language. Many things in php (switch/case for example) are almost identical in both languages (using the CF version with cfscript tags of course). And don't think that php isn't 'rich'. More than once I've sat down to write a function in php and realized part way through that there was already a built in function to accomplish the task. To me, it all boils down to what Sean said both languages have their strengths and weaknesses. Use the right tool for the task at hand. I'm not even going to comment on ASP (ugh), but php is a fine tool in its own right and even though it does take longer to develop with than CF (for me), it still allows me to do some cool stuff for clients, which makes them (and me) happy. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: BlueDragon for .NET (WAS CF - PHP comparisons?)
Right, But in regards to the comparison of PHP vs CF. Vince was saying the major weakness of PHP is that CF can access the Java API and the .NET API. But CF can't do both at once (At least not in a stable enough configuration where you could deploy it confidently). Back to Perl, a Year or so ago when MS was showing off .NET the said they had a Java and Perl CLR coming down the line. Of course their own languages were priority one. Whether they were just blowing smoke up our ass... I dunno, but it would be very beneficial to them. I'm sure Bill gets a boner thinking that Java developers would create application for windows, without the need of a JVM. Now, .NET has this feature called COM interop, where you can wrap .NET components to create this pseudo COM object. It's not really a COM object, but it can be accessed just like one, so PHP can already leverage the .NET API... CFMX of course can't really do much with COM or this pseudo-COM. Score one for PHP. Now I'm not trying to say MX can't use COM at all, I'm just saying that the amount of time I have to spend to get COM and CFMX to gel, isn't cost effective. And even when I do get it working, I'm not confident deploying it. So BlueDragon is really CF's only hope. (Although from what I've seen I see no reason to belive BD won't deliver) So when will BD.NET get into a phase where I can play with it? Is it really being called BD.NET? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Kief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon for .NET (WAS CF - PHP comparisons?) Adam, Looks like you misread Vince's post. :) The CF he was referring to (with full access to the .NET framework) wasn't actually CF at all. It's a version of BlueDragon currently under development by New Atlanta. Have a look at his CFDJ article: http://www.newatlanta.com/downloads/bluedragon/CFDJ_03_01_Blueprints.pdf BlueDragon for .NET is currently under development with early alpha versions running in our lab. This version of BlueDragon is fully implemented as managed code that executes within the the .NET Common Language Runtime (CLR). We're very excited about BlueDragon for .NET with its promise of highperformance native integration with ADO.NET and COM. Look for a formal announcement of BlueDragon for .NET either before or shortly after this column is published. Cheers! chris -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF - PHP comparisons? Vince I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to PHP vs CF. But lets be honest with ourselves, there is no CF does NOT have full access to the .NET framework. It barely... barely supports COM anymore. Getting CF to work well with Windows API is an exercise in patience and determination. Just look at cfComet now... about 80% of their tutorials don't even work anymore. These same issues will exist in .NET. BlueDragon will be nice, but without CFCs and a lot of MX functionality... it isn't a satisfactory solution for me. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF - PHP comparisons? Hi Mike, I tend to agree with your comments regarding the richness of PHP. If you do a straight comparison of PHP and CFML's built-in functions then they seem pretty equal. However, one thing that's changed in the CFML world with the introduction of CFMX and BlueDragon is that you now have seamless access to the full set of Java APIs from CFML. With the release of BlueDragon for .NET you'll similarly have seamless access to the full .NET Framework (APIs) from within CFML. In effect, the set of CFML functions is being expanded to include all of the Java APIs or all of the .NET APIs, depending on which platform you prefer. It seems to me that since PHP is not built on either of the two major platform technologies (Java or .NET), it's richness is going to suffer in comparison as CFML developers learn to take advantage of the integration with Java and .NET. Also, look at the way CFMX leveraged the Java platform to implement web services support (via Apache Axis). PHP is not going to be able to take advantage of the underlying platform technology the way CFMX did; instead they're going to have to implement their own solution from scratch. It seems to me that this will be a major disadvantage of PHP. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Mike Alberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF - PHP comparisons? Since I develop with both CF and php, I
RE: Microsoft to aquire Macromedia
Super Star Destroyer... no contest. The Enterprise was always falling apart, needed more power, lost shields... or my favorite... detaching the dish and crashing onto small planets. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft to aquire Macromedia My web-geek friends and I have speculated before on the possibilities of a Macromedia/Adobe merger (read: hostile takeover from one side or another), if that would ever come to be. Of course, we've also talked about IBM buying Sun and what would win in a battle - the Enterprise or a Super Star Destroyer... - Jim -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft to aquire Macromedia Oh... no please not again... I beg you! Seriously - check the archives. This comes up about once every two or three months. Short answer - there is no truth to the rumour. Sure, it may happen. MS may buy Sun as well. MS may buy anything, but for now, there is no truth to the rumour. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Fregas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Microsoft to aquire Macromedia Ok, that's a little inflammatory, but has anyone heard this rumor that MS might buy MM? Fregas ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF - PHP comparisons?
Has anyone done a myPetStore comparison on PHP and CFMX? I'm curious as to if PHP still compiles and runs faster. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Fregas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF - PHP comparisons? http://php.weblogs.com/php_vs_cold_fusion This is a pretty good comparison, though it is kind of old. Many of the things they say are lacking in CF are now in CFMX (like user-defined functions) and the same might be true of PHP. The main difference to me is speed: -CF is faster and easier to developer, (which could lower development costs to your client.) -PHP compiles and runs faster (which could lower hardware costs.) Fregas - Original Message - From: Paul Campano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: CF - PHP comparisons? Does anyone know where I can find comparisons of CF and PHP? I want to use CF, but my client is leaning toward PHP. I would like to load up on as much information as possible with regards to how the two compare. Thanks. Paul Campano ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Jeremy Allaire leaving MM
Man. I'm happy for Jeremy. Hopefully he can spend more time at home with his family now. But I must say that I'm extremely skeptical about the future of CF developers. Up until about a year ago, MM only catered to developers. I always felt that it was Jeremy who was watching out for our interests. I really hope a lot of his principals have rubbed off on MM. But if Jeremy really thinks this is such an exciting time for the internet and blah blah blah, and macromedia is so great blah blah blah, then why pursue outside opportunities? Why not be a technologist/entrepreneur for macromedia? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Jeremy Allaire leaving MM Will he have another golden parachute in case he falls? -Original Message- From: Lee Surma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Jeremy Allaire leaving MM I'm not really surprised. J.J. (Jeremy's brother) was intergel to the company at first and lest a few years ago to pursue other oppurtunities During the stock bubble I was watching the insider trading on Allaire stock. J.J. sold over 100 million dollars worth of Allaire stock. He probably has 30 sherpas hauling his gear up a mountain in Tibet right now. Lee Surma 763-494-8301 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
BUG? CFHTTP with Proxies
Can anyone deny or confirm that CFHTTP will actually use a proxy if one is specified. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFHTTP Connection Failure with MX
Here is a shot in the dark: cfhttp url=http://www.macromedia.com; method=GET resolveurl=true proxyserver=proxy.foo.com:80 throwonerror=yes redirect=yes /cfhttp instead of using proxy port, try appending it to the IP. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Houk, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFHTTP Connection Failure with MX Dale, I just tried it and unfortunately, it didn't work. Any other suggestions? My current code is: cfhttp url=http://www.macromedia.com; method=GET resolveurl=true proxyserver=proxy.foo.com proxyport=80 throwonerror=yes redirect=yes /cfhttp TIA, - Gary -Original Message- From: Dale Coyner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFHTTP Connection Failure with MX Gary, Have had similar experiences here with MX CFHTTP as well. To troubleshoot, I constructed a page where I made the CFHTTP request then output the returned variables to the page so I could see what the header looked like, specifically, #cfhttp.header#. That exercise revealed that external web servers were returning redirects instead of the pages themselves, so I enabled the redirect parameter in CFHTTP and it solved the issue for me. Dale Coyner Communicast, Inc. -Original Message- From: Houk, Gary Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFHTTP Connection Failure with MX No, qualifying with charset didn't help. I can GET other pages from our internal servers, and from our extranet servers located outside of the building, but nothing from the WWW. I have the proxy and proxyport info listed. It works great on the cf5 server but not on the mx server. - Gary ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: BUG? CFHTTP with Proxies
Heh, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BUG? CFHTTP with Proxies I don't see anything in the bug base. Are other people seeing this, as well? Christian On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 12:06 PM, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: Can anyone deny or confirm that CFHTTP will actually use a proxy if one is specified. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX .NET
I know there is an enormous anti-MS sentiment here, but I'm curious is anyone as installed the .NET framework on the same box running CFMX. If so, how was performance affected? I've always done one or the other, but I'm thinking of combining them both, although I can foresee conflict out the arse. Any thoughts? War stories? Recommendations? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Character Encoding - Reward Offered!
Ok here are a couple of shots in the dark. Does the XML have the correct encoding? ?xml version=1.0 encoding= iso-8859-1? How are you pulling the XML in? From a local file? Or cfHttp? I've never tried this but, if you can tell CF the HTML content with: cfcontent type=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Can you do this? cfcontent type=text/xml; charset=iso-8859-1 Again, shots in the dark. Good luck. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Character Encoding - Reward Offered! OK. $250.00 reward to the first person who can tell me what I'm doing wrong or give me evidence/show me how to prove that UPS is returning the wrong character set. Knowing UPS, I suspect it's the latter. Here is the page: http://dev.cf-ezcart.com/registerups/ Click Next. The text in the top textarea field is being returned by UPS which I'm stripping from the XML. It is all screwed up. Most notably the French text at the bottom, but also trademark symbols and such. The text in the bottom textarea field is the hard-coded text they sent to me which I pasted in and displays properly. I'm using this at the top of the template: cfset setEncoding(form,iso-8859-1) cfset setEncoding(URL,iso-8859-1) cfcontent type=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 This is in the HTML HEAD tag: meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I tried using CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE pageencoding=iso-8859-1 in both the template and the custom tag I'm calling but it didn't make a difference. CFMX server. CrystalTech. Here is the response from UPS Tech support. They are absolutely no help: *** Thank you for your email. Due to the many environments and ways which customers can implement the XML Tools, we do not support code directly and provide source code samples for reference only. Unfortunately we can not provide you with access to a cold fusion developer, we do however provide Visual Basic and Java source code samples that employ the ISO-8859-1 standard. The ISO-8859-1 character-set is necessary to be able to use the special French characters and is returned by our servers please reference the header of our XML response which contains the encoding specification of ISO-8859-1. Since the French charter-set is not being properly displayed in the web page we anticipate that your program is manipulating the encoding of the text and setting the encoding to UTF-8 or UTF-16. Please review your programming environment. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Character Encoding - Reward Offered!
I'm guessing you are running a pre-MX version of CF. Any reason you aren't using the cfx_xmlParser? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Character Encoding - Reward Offered! On 2/5/03, Adrocknaphobia Jones penned: Ok here are a couple of shots in the dark. Does the XML have the correct encoding? ?xml version=1.0 encoding= iso-8859-1? Well, that's what it says. Whether it's correct or not is another story. :) How are you pulling the XML in? From a local file? Or cfHttp? CFOBCJECT cfobject name=objXMLHTTP class=microsoft.xmlhttp action=create type=COM cfscript XMLDataString = XMLRequestAccess XMLRequest; temp = objXMLHTTP.open(POST,https://#Attributes.Servername##attributes.serve rpath#,false); temp = objXMLHTTP.setRequestHeader(Content-Type, application/x-www-form-urlencoded); temp = objXMLHTTP.send(XMLDataString); XMLResponse = objXMLHTTP.responsetext; /cfscript I've never tried this but, if you can tell CF the HTML content with: cfcontent type=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Can you do this? cfcontent type=text/xml; charset=iso-8859-1 Not sure, but I'm spitting out html, not XML so that won't apply here I don't believe. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Character Encoding - Reward Offered!
Wait a second. If you are on MX then why use COM to parse XML? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Character Encoding - Reward Offered! I added a field with the full XML response from UPS. In case anyone is interested. :) On 2/5/03, Bud penned: OK. $250.00 reward to the first person who can tell me what I'm doing wrong or give me evidence/show me how to prove that UPS is returning the wrong character set. Knowing UPS, I suspect it's the latter. Here is the page: http://dev.cf-ezcart.com/registerups/ Click Next. The text in the top textarea field is being returned by UPS which I'm stripping from the XML. It is all screwed up. Most notably the French text at the bottom, but also trademark symbols and such. The text in the bottom textarea field is the hard-coded text they sent to me which I pasted in and displays properly. I'm using this at the top of the template: cfset setEncoding(form,iso-8859-1) cfset setEncoding(URL,iso-8859-1) cfcontent type=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 This is in the HTML HEAD tag: meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I tried using CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE pageencoding=iso-8859-1 in both the template and the custom tag I'm calling but it didn't make a difference. CFMX server. CrystalTech. Bud, Since you're using MX, have you used the charset attribute of the CFHTTP tag and set it to ISO-8859-1? You may need to watch that ISO-8859-1 for case-sensitivity, as you're passing it in to Java, which is case-sensitive. If you don't set it, the default is UTF-8, which is where you might be running into trouble. Regards, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE
Matt, I respect your opinion, but I can't agree with disregarding .NET entirely. I mean after all, you would be on .NET right now if it wasn't for CFMX. (and a lot of people have CFMX running on Windows) IMO j2ee is a much more robust architecture, but .NET has some strengths and adds tight integration across all MS technology. With the amount of MCSE/MCADs out there, j2EE will have a tough fight over the coming years, as these MCSE/MCADs aren't going to be recommending a new foreign technology to companies that already employ MS solutions. But I guess the bottom line is... CF used to be the cheapest fastest way to develop. However right now, I could be underbid by a .NET house just on server price, and all the J2ee is the de facto talk in the world, isn't going to mean much to clients who have been with MS for years. My point IS that it IS CFMX vs .NET. And I care about both. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE Yes, but who cares about .NET? Certainly many people do and those people might also care about price, but J2EE is the de facto standard at this point and CFMX's price fits well within that market, which is the market(TM) to be in. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE Those prices are pretty hefty in comparison to .NET. With .NET you need only one server too. I believe win2k is around $1100 and advanced at 3k. Makes me wonder if MM is trying to compete at all. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE Cantrell, This is what i found on Macromedia.com Prices on MM with NO Subsciption ColdFusion MX for JRun(1 CPU) = US $3,399 ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6.798 JRun 4(1 CPU License) = US $899 JRun 4(2 Cpu License) = US $1799 Basically 2 CPU box cost = US $8597 Is this right information? if you have CF4.5 Ent and above, take 30% off discount through Macromedia Volume License Program(MVLP). 6.798-2039.40(30%)=4758.60+1799(Jrun) ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6557.60 The above is what i understand. Stacy.. are we on the same page? I think MM should Bundle JRUN+CFMX and maybe get the Price Competitive... Joe Eugene ---Original Message--- From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/03/03 03:24 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE For CFMX for J2EE Application Servers licensing issues, take a look at the FAQ below: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/ Specifically, for those interested in transferring licenses, see: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/#700 Finally, the ColdFusion MX for J2EE License Transfer Page: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/special/ license_transfer/ Information on how to contact your local reseller is available at the URL above. Christian On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Chris White wrote: Interesting - I have been running a few ColdFusion Ent. servers since 4.5 and we had purchased a 2 year support agreement. The support runs out this year. I would like to move to a J2EE version but based on what you were told makes a person wonder what to do. I have paid enough for the Ent. versions. I don't see any value in the Ent. version any more. It does not share sessions across multiple servers like the versions before ColdFusionMX. I would like to move to Java Sessions but I need a Java Application server like JRUN or Websphere to manage the sessions. Wish that if I go to J2EE and started with JRUN that if down the road I moved to Websphere I could do that without another cost. What is a person to do? Chris -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE There are so many questions about license issues and what is Macromedia going to do to entise me to move to a J2EE version. When CFMX came out we immediately upgraded on internal servers...we would have like to purchase the J2EE version (for WebLogic) but it wasn't out yet...so we purchased the Enterprise standalone version
RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE
Dave, I think it is very fair. As it's a reality. CFMX is in direct competition with .NET everyday. Sure it maybe unfair that MS can leverage cheaper prices, but it's the bottom line. By two servers I mean CFMX run on Windows, or j2EE, or Linux. .Net is just Windows. It's cheaper to implement. I have a hard enough time trying to preach J2EE to companies that have been with MS for years. This price difference sure isn't helping any. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE Those prices are pretty hefty in comparison to .NET. With .NET you need only one server too. I believe win2k is around $1100 and advanced at 3k. Makes me wonder if MM is trying to compete at all. I don't think that's a fair comparison. First of all, Macromedia doesn't have an OS franchies from which they can borrow money to become profitable. CF has to sell for what it's worth. Second, CF doesn't require Windows, which is a pretty big deal to some people. Also, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about needing more than one server. You only have to buy CFMX Enterprise to build CF applications - or you might even be able to get away with CFMX Professional, which is pretty cheap. If you want all the J2EE services, well then you'll need a J2EE server in addition. But most people don't need or want all that, I suspect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFML Forever!
Awesome. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFML Forever! I thought some people might find this interesting: http://www.newatlanta.com/downloads/bluedragon/CFDJ_03_01_Blueprints.pdf This is the first in a regular column I'm now writing for CFDJ. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The 2nd Tuesday of every month...
This help? It will give you the second Tuesday of the current month.
cfscript
for(i = 7; i LTE 14; i = incrementValue(i))
{
firstTuesday = createDate(dateFormat(now(), ),
dateFormat(now(), MM), i);
if(dateFormat(firstTuesday, ) IS Tuesday){break;}
}
/cfscript
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: The 2nd Tuesday of every month...
I've got a site where a club meeting date is posted. It's always the 2nd
tuesday or every month. Currently, I'm using a database holding all the
tuesdays, and doing a comparison to todays date to look up the date of
the
proper Tuesday to display.
Gotta be an easier way without the database
Suggestions?
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RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE
Those prices are pretty hefty in comparison to .NET. With .NET you need only one server too. I believe win2k is around $1100 and advanced at 3k. Makes me wonder if MM is trying to compete at all. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE Cantrell, This is what i found on Macromedia.com Prices on MM with NO Subsciption ColdFusion MX for JRun(1 CPU) = US $3,399 ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6.798 JRun 4(1 CPU License) = US $899 JRun 4(2 Cpu License) = US $1799 Basically 2 CPU box cost = US $8597 Is this right information? if you have CF4.5 Ent and above, take 30% off discount through Macromedia Volume License Program(MVLP). 6.798-2039.40(30%)=4758.60+1799(Jrun) ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6557.60 The above is what i understand. Stacy.. are we on the same page? I think MM should Bundle JRUN+CFMX and maybe get the Price Competitive... Joe Eugene ---Original Message--- From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/03/03 03:24 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE For CFMX for J2EE Application Servers licensing issues, take a look at the FAQ below: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/ Specifically, for those interested in transferring licenses, see: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/#700 Finally, the ColdFusion MX for J2EE License Transfer Page: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/special/ license_transfer/ Information on how to contact your local reseller is available at the URL above. Christian On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Chris White wrote: Interesting - I have been running a few ColdFusion Ent. servers since 4.5 and we had purchased a 2 year support agreement. The support runs out this year. I would like to move to a J2EE version but based on what you were told makes a person wonder what to do. I have paid enough for the Ent. versions. I don't see any value in the Ent. version any more. It does not share sessions across multiple servers like the versions before ColdFusionMX. I would like to move to Java Sessions but I need a Java Application server like JRUN or Websphere to manage the sessions. Wish that if I go to J2EE and started with JRUN that if down the road I moved to Websphere I could do that without another cost. What is a person to do? Chris -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE There are so many questions about license issues and what is Macromedia going to do to entise me to move to a J2EE version. When CFMX came out we immediately upgraded on internal servers...we would have like to purchase the J2EE version (for WebLogic) but it wasn't out yet...so we purchased the Enterprise standalone version for use until J2EE was out I was just told it will cost $2800+ to transfer each license to the J2EE version There must be some mistake...can someone form MM please comment? Can u not transfer licenses? Many thanks, Stace AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE
Seriously... don't even get me started about COM! If it doesn't work 50% of the time, then you shouldn't have included it. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE A quick perusal of just the MM forums will prove my point - so many install horror stories, most of them unanswered by MM. and, of course, after 8 months with no resolution in my own case, is enough for me to make the statement, and stand by it. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: RE: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE | -Original Message- | From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | advantage. And of course everyone knows that their tech | support sucks big time. | | That is quite a generalization, and one i personally feel is incorrect. | While some people may have had poor experiences with tech support (such | as yourself), to state that everyone feels the way you do is, in my | opinion a rather large leap. | | mike chambers | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Thoughts? Export / Import transaction file
Sounds like a job for web services. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: David Notik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Thoughts? Export / Import transaction file Hi all: I am working with a vendor in exporting a file to them on a daily basis from our web site, and then I need to receive a response file from them. I imagine that we'll dump the transaction file in a directory that they then access on their end. What is the best, most secure way to do this? Shall they pass a user/pass combination to a script, which then retrieves the transaction file from a secure location and pushes it back to them? And how should I accept the response from their end? Shall they pass their response via URL (e.g. pass user/pass and field=valuefield=value)? What is the most secure way to accomplish this? --D ~~ David Notik Digital202, LLC Imagination gone digital. Office: (206) 575-1717 Mobile: (206) 351-3948 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.digital202.com http://www.digital202.com/ ~~ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
J2EE sessionDestroyed() Issues WAS: session_OnStart(), application_OnStart() in CFMX
I'm reposting this in hopes of finding an answer or some more information: I have this odd feeling that CFMX doesn't invalidate j2ee sessions properly. I hope some1 from MM can add a little more light to this post. You code looks air tight, so I don't think you are doing NEthing wrong, at least as far as the 1.3 API is concerned. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Aaron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: session_OnStart(), application_OnStart() in CFMX hi everyone, Couple weeks back (developers at MINDSEYE) had some interesting discussions w/ Macromedia guys about what we'd like to see in upcoming CFMX releases.. one of the features we wanted was application onstart, session onstart type events.. Long story short...I wrote up a couple classes that sort of implement that functionality using the HttpSessionListener ( sorta == cfmx session scope) and ServletContextListener (sorta == application scope in cfmx) of the javax.servlet package. You can read up here on the background: http://cephas.net/blog/archives/000237.html#000237 and get the Java code samples, results, and web.xml mods to make it work here: http://cephas.net/blog/archives/000238.html#000238 I'm interested specifically in: a) why the sessionDestroyed method doesn't return in CFMX (or at least doesn't appear too, did I do something wrong?) and b) in how to best implement this (ie: can I have I a separate listener for each application I create by placing a WEB-INF directory w/ the corresponding web.xml in each application's web root?) Other questions... 1) I haven't seen any good documentation on WEB-INF specifically related to CFMX. The other servlet containers (ie: Tomcat, JRUN... ) require a WEB-INF *per application*... I've not seen that recommended with CFMX. Can you do that? What are the ramifications of doing so? Anyone have any good documentation or notes on the use of WEB-INF in CFMX? 2) You'll see in my notes on the above links that using the listeners only return sessionID's of J2EE based sessions. Anyone know of a way to get the session information in CFMX (ie: not cfif isDefined(session.myvar), rather using a listener)? 3) it's obvious after using the ServletContext class that this *isn't* the same thing as the Application scope in CFMX, although they both fundementally provide the same functionality. *Are they the same thing under the hood?* If not, why not? Thanks all! AJ Aaron Johnson http://cephas.net/blog/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Chat now open--we need 100 people!
I can't seem to log in, no matter what username I try. I'll give it another shot after lunch. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Chat now open--we need 100 people! Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com - Original Message - From: Amy Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently testing this application and would like 100 people to log on http://www.markme.com/mesh/mmugchat/ Thanks in advance for your help!! Amy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Cert. Exam
Is there an exam study guide for CFMX? The one for 5 made a great bathroom book. No offense to whomever wrote it, but it's a good one for just opening it up and reading random sections. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFMX Cert. Exam I studied by reading the CFMX book I wrote. (I'm sure there is an irony there). CF_Buster is also a good choice. ( The MX version was not available when I took the test ) At 11:50 AM 1/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: Anyone know of a Brain Dump for CFMX Cert. exam? -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DotComIt, Putting you on the web AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com -- Ask me how to get a free recording of your band -- Original Energetic Acoustic Rock: http://www.farcryfly.com 80's, 90's, and Now: http://www.mtmexperience.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: session_OnStart(), application_OnStart() in CFMX
Really interesting post. What are you doing to end the session in CFMX? Just dropping the timeout? Is it possible there is just a delay between CFMX sessions ending and j2ee? Have you checked the logs recently? I have this odd feeling that CFMX doesn't invalidate j2ee sessions properly. I hope some1 from MM can add a little more light to this post. You code looks air tight, so I don't think you are doing NEthing wrong, at least as far as the 1.3 API is concerned. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Aaron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: session_OnStart(), application_OnStart() in CFMX hi everyone, Couple weeks back (developers at MINDSEYE) had some interesting discussions w/ Macromedia guys about what we'd like to see in upcoming CFMX releases.. one of the features we wanted was application onstart, session onstart type events.. Long story short...I wrote up a couple classes that sort of implement that functionality using the HttpSessionListener ( sorta == cfmx session scope) and ServletContextListener (sorta == application scope in cfmx) of the javax.servlet package. You can read up here on the background: http://cephas.net/blog/archives/000237.html#000237 and get the Java code samples, results, and web.xml mods to make it work here: http://cephas.net/blog/archives/000238.html#000238 I'm interested specifically in: a) why the sessionDestroyed method doesn't return in CFMX (or at least doesn't appear too, did I do something wrong?) and b) in how to best implement this (ie: can I have I a separate listener for each application I create by placing a WEB-INF directory w/ the corresponding web.xml in each application's web root?) Other questions... 1) I haven't seen any good documentation on WEB-INF specifically related to CFMX. The other servlet containers (ie: Tomcat, JRUN... ) require a WEB-INF *per application*... I've not seen that recommended with CFMX. Can you do that? What are the ramifications of doing so? Anyone have any good documentation or notes on the use of WEB-INF in CFMX? 2) You'll see in my notes on the above links that using the listeners only return sessionID's of J2EE based sessions. Anyone know of a way to get the session information in CFMX (ie: not cfif isDefined(session.myvar), rather using a listener)? 3) it's obvious after using the ServletContext class that this *isn't* the same thing as the Application scope in CFMX, although they both fundementally provide the same functionality. *Are they the same thing under the hood?* If not, why not? Thanks all! AJ Aaron Johnson http://cephas.net/blog/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: cfDesperate
So you're just parsing rows from one array to another? What does your code look like? If the first array is coming from a query, couldn't you just QoQ to parse the results then convert? Lets see what you got. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfDesperate Is anyone on right now??? I have an issue with arrays that I CAN NOT EXPLAIN I have two arrays, one holds returned query data - Array1, the other a personal selection from the first Array - Array2. When I add data from the first array to the second, no problem, I have an ArrayLen and everything is great. The problem is that no matter what link I click next, the data gets added again. I have put ArrayLens from application to the very end. The array length has already changed at the very top of the application page, but is one less at the end of the previous page. I am not a newbie. I have been coding CF for over 4 years now and I have never seen anything like this. Please, if anyone is on, I have examples and live site to see CFMX W2K SQL2000 Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Any way to send notice of a request for info to a cell phone?
I can vouch for SprintPCS and Verizon. Both have given me email addresses as part of my monthly plan. Sprint also has a web based form for sending text-messages. It was fairly easy to use CFHTTP to submit to that form and send text messages to myself from my site. I found that text messages moved faster on their network. My only beef with email is that I had to get online with my particular phone to 'check' for email. However, text messages just poped up. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Larry Juncker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any way to send notice of a request for info to a cell phone? Yes that is correct and yes, as I said in my first reply, you do have to be a US Cellular client. However, I am guessing that if it is this easy with US Cellular that it probably is just about as easy with all Cell carriers. Larry Juncker Senior Cold fusion Developer Heartland Communications Group, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (515) 574-2122 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or personal. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient (or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at the e-mail listed above. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any way to send notice of a request for info to a cell phone? Hi, Larry. That does seem very simple *and* very cheap at $1.95 per month for unlimited messages. So, I guess all that would be required on the client end would be a digital phone to handle the digital transmissions, right? Is that www.uscellular.com? Rick -Original Message- From: Larry Juncker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any way to send notice of a request for info to a cell phone? I looked this weekend at United States Cellular website and it seems that if you have their digital phone service, you can pay $1.95 per month to have an email address for your cell phone which ends up being [your ten digit phone number]@email.uscc.net Then unlimited email can be sent to your phone by simply sending the email to that email address. Can not get any simpler than that. Larry Juncker Senior Cold fusion Developer Heartland Communications Group, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (515) 574-2122 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or personal. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient (or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at the e-mail listed above. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Any way to send notice of a request for info to a cell phone? Hi, all. I've got a real estate client who wants to receive an automated call to his cell phone when a visitor to his website fills out and sends a Request For Info form. Seems like there's a new service he's heard about that's going to provide this... ANY ideas at all on how this might be done? Articles? Clues? Anything? (I'm running Win 2000 Server, CF 4.5.2) (Could update, if CFMX / Flash Remoting / Flash Communication Server had a way to achieve this...) Thanks, Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfmx server
What type of applications do you have running? Did this box work properly before, or is this a new install? Are you using any outside objects like EJBs, classes or COM? What does CFStat tell you? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfmx server The cfmx server in one of our environments is not functioning correctly. If we get it working, it works for like 5 minutes, then it dies. So far the only I can fetch out of the log files is in one of the jrun log files. When I say dead I mean that all .cfm files don't work, like the browser hangs waiting for it to load, and after like 10 minutes, it says something like server error, the server was unable to process your request. Meanwhile the jrun service is using 100% of the CPU. Any ideas on what might be wrong or anything to help us diagnose the problem. Here is the error in the jrun log file. 01/27 10:35:16 error Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read1(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:521) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:513) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readInt(ProxyEndpoint.java:531) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readRequest(ProxyEndpoint.java:229) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.swapRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:15 2) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.jav a:320) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java:4 33) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 280) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:76) any ideas? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Date question
#createODBCDateTime(now())# Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Date question What is the nest way to format a date to compare to a database datetime column. Basically I want to pull all records created after the original request was made. So, CFSET RequestTime = this is what I need CFQUERY. SELECT .. Where datecolumn = RequestTime /CFQUERY I'm really bad with date stuff and I need to learn how to work with them. Thanks, Frank ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: cfmx server
What is cfStat showing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server all simple cold fusion apps. no COM, no EJBs. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server What type of applications do you have running? Did this box work properly before, or is this a new install? Are you using any outside objects like EJBs, classes or COM? What does CFStat tell you? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfmx server The cfmx server in one of our environments is not functioning correctly. If we get it working, it works for like 5 minutes, then it dies. So far the only I can fetch out of the log files is in one of the jrun log files. When I say dead I mean that all .cfm files don't work, like the browser hangs waiting for it to load, and after like 10 minutes, it says something like server error, the server was unable to process your request. Meanwhile the jrun service is using 100% of the CPU. Any ideas on what might be wrong or anything to help us diagnose the problem. Here is the error in the jrun log file. 01/27 10:35:16 error Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read1(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:521) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:513) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readInt(ProxyEndpoint.java:531) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readRequest(ProxyEndpoint.java:229) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.swapRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:15 2) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.jav a:320) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java:4 33) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 280) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:76) any ideas? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: cfmx server
Excerpt from : http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=8627Method=Full ! If you're not getting core files created when it's reported that something's wrong with the site, and ColdFusion appears to be unresponsive (but no core file was created), there's a good chance you've got hung request threads (a common cause of which is database locking or contention or DB client lib problems). To check for hung threads, make sure you have the Enable Performance Monitoring and Log Requests Taking Longer Than X Seconds turned on in the ColdFusion Administrator, and in the /coldfusion/bin directory, run: ./cfstat 2 If you see, for example, five running requests and you have the Number of Simultaneous Requests in the ColdFusion Administrator set to five, and that number doesn't drop, ColdFusion probably made a call outside its environment (to whatever, typically to the database) and the call never came back for some reason. Check the log files (especially application.log and server.log) to look for clues or recent errors that might be accomplices to the drama. - This is why I asked if you were using COM or EJBs, something outside the coldFusion environment. Of course I forgot the obvious, the DB, is the datasource setup correctly? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server cfstat? (dont laugh, im not the admin he asked me to post this) -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server What is cfStat showing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server all simple cold fusion apps. no COM, no EJBs. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfmx server What type of applications do you have running? Did this box work properly before, or is this a new install? Are you using any outside objects like EJBs, classes or COM? What does CFStat tell you? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tangorre [mailto:Tangorre] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfmx server The cfmx server in one of our environments is not functioning correctly. If we get it working, it works for like 5 minutes, then it dies. So far the only I can fetch out of the log files is in one of the jrun log files. When I say dead I mean that all .cfm files don't work, like the browser hangs waiting for it to load, and after like 10 minutes, it says something like server error, the server was unable to process your request. Meanwhile the jrun service is using 100% of the CPU. Any ideas on what might be wrong or anything to help us diagnose the problem. Here is the error in the jrun log file. 01/27 10:35:16 error Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read java.net.SocketException: Connection reset by peer: JVM_recv in socket input stream read at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read1(Unknown Source) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(Unknown Source) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:521) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readFully(ProxyEndpoint.java:513) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readInt(ProxyEndpoint.java:531) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.ProxyEndpoint.readRequest(ProxyEndpoint.java:229) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.swapRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:15 2) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.jav a:320) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java:4 33) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.swapRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 280) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:76) any ideas? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources
RE: Protecting scope of cffunction variables
Any chance this will ever be possible? cffunction ... cfargument ... cfscript var x = 1; var y = 2; It always seems to throw the vars need to specified at the top error, since cfscript tag comes first. I'm not really sure why 'var' is even a part of cfscript seeing how it can never be used. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Protecting scope of cffunction variables I am writing UDF's on MX using cffunction, and I would like to know what the best way to create local variables for use inside my functions that will not interfere with variables in the caller's scope. The only and only way is with the var scope. Simply do: cffunction ... cfargument cfset var x = 1 cfset var y = 2 Be sure to remember that the cfquery tag, if used with name=, also creates a variable. If I use a query in a cffunction tag, I'll typically do: cfset var theQuery = === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Protecting scope of cffunction variables
Ah! Ok.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Protecting scope of cffunction variables
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Any chance this will ever be possible?
cffunction ...
cfargument ...
cfscript
var x = 1;
var y = 2;
It always seems to throw the vars need to specified at the top
error,
since cfscript tag comes first. I'm not really sure why 'var' is
even
a part of cfscript seeing how it can never be used.
It can be used:
cfscript
function blahblah() {
var x = 1;
.
Jochem
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RE: Protecting scope of cffunction variables
By default are cfarguments ... protected from outside intervention? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Protecting scope of cffunction variables On Friday, Jan 24, 2003, at 06:56 US/Pacific, Jon Gunnip wrote: I am writing UDF's on MX using cffunction, and I would like to know what the best way to create local variables for use inside my functions that will not interfere with variables in the caller's scope. As others have said - use var. One practice that many people seem to like (and about which I'm still on the fence) is to declare a local struct and use that throughout: cffunction name=add_two_numbers cfargument name=first required=true cfargument name=second required=true cfset var local = structNew() cfset local.sum=arguments.first + arguments.second cfreturn local.sum /cffunction This has the nice side effect that you only need one var declaration at the top of your function and all subsequent local.xxx references are safe from outside influence. It has the downside that you end up doing a struct dereference for every local variable. Note that if you had your original code inside a CFC, the unadorned sum variable would become a private (OK, 'protected') instance variable inside the component instance and not accessible from outside. See below: !--- page that uses the function --- cfinclude template=functions.cfm Becomes: cfset adder = createObject(component,adder) !--- using sum to track addition of numbers --- cfset sum=12 !--- sum is now 12 --- cfset result=add_two_numbers(1, 2) Becomes: cfset result = adder.add_two_numbers(1, 2) !--- sum is now 3 (changed in function), when I want it to be 12 --- No longer true - unadorned sum is protected inside CFC. cfset sum=sum + result !--- sum is now 6, when I want it to be 15 --- sum would be 15. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog ColdFusion MX and JRun 4 now available for Mac OS X! http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmxosx ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX and Office Automation
Could you attach a sample word doc? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX and Office Automation Has anyone gotten CFMX to do anything more than open Word and close it??? I'm trying to access some fields within a Word doc and pump them to a database and I'm running into serious problems. I'm running CFMX Developer (Enterprise) with Updater 2 applied Accessing Word 2000 CFSET pathToDoc = D:\Inetpub\wwwroot\Office\Docs\WordForm.doc CFSCRIPT // Create an instance of Word on the server objWord = CreateObject(COM, Word.Application); objWord.visible = false; // Get the Word document you need to open objDoc = objWord.Documents.open(pathToDoc); /* Get all fields within the document */ FirstName = objDoc.FormFields[FirstName].Result; Fails Here! *** LastName = objDoc.FormFields[LastName].Result; // Show Output variables, or lack thereof... WriteOutput(Finished Opening and Closing pathToDoc Successfully... BR); WriteOutput(FirstName = FirstName BR); WriteOutput(LastName = LastName BR); // Object Cleanup... objDoc.close(); objWord.quit(); /CFSCRIPT Error is below: An exception occurred when accessing a Com object field. The cause of this exception was that: coldfusion.runtime.java.MethodSelectionException: Method selection Exception.. The error occurred in D:\Inetpub\wwwroot\Office\getValues_Server.cfm: line 10 8 : 9 : /* Get all fields within the document */ 10 : FirstName = objDoc.FormFields[FirstName].Result; 11 : LastName = objDoc.FormFields[LastName].Result; 12 : Any takers??? Jeff ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC changes not noticed by jrun unless it's restarted
C'mon Tony, Just because they told us about it in advance, doesn't mean it's not a problem. We should definitely call it a problem, otherwise it won't get fix in CFMX2. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC changes not noticed by jrun unless it's restarted Sure have, but I wouldn't deem it a problem, simply the inherent nature of webservices, from what I have been told. Maybe not inherent of webservices, but surely of webservices on CFMX :) hth ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Brad Howerter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC changes not noticed by jrun unless it's restarted I've determined that when I make changes to a CFC that is called as a web service, I have to restart the coldfusion server in order for those changes to be recognized. Has anyone else noticed this problem? *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender by return e-mail, delete this e-mail, and refrain from any disclosure or action based on the information. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: what the hell
Is the COM object registered in OLE Viewer? Is this the correct reference? I had to make a few code updates when I moved from CF5 to MX when connecting to PPT. (Lots of trial and error) When I get back home, I'll check to see what the actual differences were. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Steve Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: what the hell What I mean is that I ran it without the space. I've rebooted the machine, restarted services, reinstalled the updater. Nothing, nada, zero, zip, zilch. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: what the hell I run this code without the space and it does work. Try refreshing your services and/or check your installation of Office. Bryan F. Hogan Director of Internet Development Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer Digital Bay Media, Inc. 1-877-72DIGITAL -Original Message- From: Steve Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: what the hell nope -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: what the hell Check the space in the following code's name attribute value cfobject type=com action=Create class=Excel.application name= MyExcelobj context=local Bryan F. Hogan Director of Internet Development Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer Digital Bay Media, Inc. 1-877-72DIGITAL -Original Message- From: Steve Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: what the hell I've read document after document regarding COM objects in CFMX, and tried every suggestion those documents provide. Still I receive the following error An exception occurred while instantiating a COM object java.lang.NoSuchMethodException This occurs when I try to create an object using the Excel.Application class. Here is the relevant code cftry cfobject type=com action=connect class=Excel.application name=MyExcelobj context=local cfcatch type=any !--- There is no existing object, create one --- cfobject type=com action=Create class=Excel.application name= MyExcelobj context=local /cfcatch /cftry Help please Steven D Dworman Macromedia Certified Developer - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspecinternational.com http://www.comspecinternational.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 248.767.9925 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com http://www.empower-xl.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFserver 5 and Symantic AntiVirus
I don't think it will install on a server. At least it wouldn't allow me to use the same version as I do on my workstations. I think they want you to get a special 'server' version of antivirus. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Phillip B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFserver 5 and Symantic AntiVirus The company I work for wants me to use Symantic AntiVirus Corp Edition on the web server. Does anyone know if it plays rough with CF Server 5, IIS or anything else for that matter? Thanks! Phillip B. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Integrating C#
Why not just have them share some database space? It would probably a lot faster that XML serializing. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Andrew Tyrone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Integrating C# -Original Message- From: Brad Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Integrating C# I've got an application written in C# that I need to integrate into our CF app. The C# app makes a HTTP request, grabs a WDDX packet (a query with about 15,000 records), does some intense calculations, and returns just a few variables. Unfortunately, I know nothing about C#, and the programmer who does, knows nothing about CF. I've been dabbling in C#, and from what I know so far (limited!) it sounds like turning the C# program into a web service is the way to go, since you stated you are returning a few variables. Why serialize them into WDDX and write it out to a file and create extra overhead? Just use the cfinvoke tag to connect to the web service and retrieve the variables. Here's an easy to understand beginner's tutorial on creating a web service with C#: http://abstractvb.com/code.asp?A=1006 If I remember correctly, a C# program, even if it's web-enabled, can still be used as a windows or console app, but don't hold me to that! -- Andy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Tag for VB style select boxes
Matt Kruse's is definitely the best one. The first one blows hard. You have to type then click. That's not easier. Although why link it to a dropdown? If you have the drop-down on the page NEway, there is no need for NEthing else to complicate it. This would work better with a populated array the user doesn't see. For example, when filling out an address info, build an array full of common city names, so when they start typing theirs, walla! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Tag for VB style select boxes This js lib does it. http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/combobox/combobox.htm I'm not to big a fan of that one though, it has some browser issues. Personally I'd take an existing combobox script and combine it with a type ahead script. Like these... http://www.oztek.net/jon/combobox.htm http://www.mattkruse.com/javascript/autocomplete/ Let me just say that I have found that combo boxes confuse users more than they help, and stopped using them. People are just to used to just clicking on a dropdown. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:17:04 PM, you wrote: CM Hi, CM Does anyone have a tag or an example that I can look at to see how to create a selectbox (dropdown) that will behave like a VB style select box with type-ahead, so that as I type in the box the CM match is automatically highlighted. CM Thanks CM Mario ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts?
Alright, I think we have some fundamental differences on artistic integrity. 2-week-websites are definitely not my bag. I guess it's the old adage of quality vs. quantity. I'd rather develop 1 site for 9k, rather than work on 9 sites for 1k, in the same time span. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Alan Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? At 01:52 PM 1/16/03 -0500, you wrote: If they can't afford a server... what makes you think they will pay $75 an hour + hosting? Ahhh the trick is, over the past five years I've developed a proprietary system that I use to generate 60% to 80% of the sites I build on the fly so I don't have to do all the tedious labor - that lets me focus all my energy on the purely customized aspects of a client site so I can get it done in 60 to 80% less time than typical - and so I can get the rate I get for the same work that would take someone else twice as long to do the same job. Just this week I had a prospective client say he was leaning toward a competitor who said they would put extra programmers on the job to get it done in three weeks and I said - not to worry - we don't need to put extra programmers on the job and we guarantee in the contract that we'll deliver it in two weeks.He liked that better. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts?
Just so I don't float off into some self conceived alternate reality where I realistically charge for my services... is everyone else charging 75 an hour? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Alan Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: If a client won't pay a few grand for a server, then usually the job is not worth my time. Additionally, these are the clients who will ask for Oh my God... yeah? Send those clients to me - I'd be happy to get the $75 an hour for my time that I charge regardless of whether they want their own server or not! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts?
If they can't afford a server... what makes you think they will pay $75 an hour + hosting? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Alan Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: If a client won't pay a few grand for a server, then usually the job is not worth my time. Additionally, these are the clients who will ask for Oh my God... yeah? Send those clients to me - I'd be happy to get the $75 an hour for my time that I charge regardless of whether they want their own server or not! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts?
Well to counter the argument about clients not wanting to pay for the server for intranet applications: If a client won't pay a few grand for a server, then usually the job is not worth my time. Additionally, these are the clients who will ask for the moon, then come back and say oh, I have to pay for this? Basically these are the clients I steer clear of in the interest of preventing a stroke by 25. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Yes, I want to better the ColdFusion community, the only problem I've always ran into is that customers in some cases don't want to spend money on a license for the server because all they want is an intranet application to keep track of employee records. So this would be the perfect solution as you could create the program, make it run stand-alone. The entire point of this application is to make ColdFusion bigger and stronger... that is what I always have in mind when i make my CF products/services (CFM-Resources.Com, EasyCFM.Com, Visual Fusion, etc...) Pablo - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Dave wrote: Out of curiosity, what are the legal ramification of this? If all he uses is the cfml language powered by a different back end he should be safe, unless MM has copyrighted cfml. Since BlueDragon doesn't suffer from that problem I suspect they did not, which is a good thing for the growth and future of CF in general. I like how Pablo's idea doesn't take a piece out of the pie. It makes the pie bigger. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Visual Fusion - Thoughts?
Pablo, (disclaimer: I think this is an ingenious idea, but like Ben, I'd like to play the Devil's Advocate, as I see some faults) I'm not really sure how I feel about all of this. When I first started coding CF I would have thought this the greatest thing since sliced bread. But the fact is that now I wouldn't want to write a desktop app in a procedural language. It would be like going back to BASIC. A tag based language is just not suitable for non-browser applications. You would have to make drastic changes in the CF language to move from an HTML UI to a desktop UI like in Visual Basic. At a certain point Visual Fusion wouldn't be using CFML anymore. So the underlying goals would be eclipsed in it's execution. I think how the UI is handled will define this projects outcome. I'd put a lot of thought into this one, integrating browser code to render HTML may be your best option. But looking forward, this language will be so limited in comparison to Visual Basic, C#, and Java. CFML can't integrate with my computer's resources to play mp3s, utilize TWAIN devices, or speak to other computers on the network (outside of HTTP calls). Basically, you are moving up CFML to compete with the other languages, only to fall short. Again, you could add all this functionality through Java, but then we're losing the goal of true CF as a desktop app. When you are promoting this, ease up on the Visual Basic references, this will be an entirely new beast not to be compared with NEthing before it. Logistically speaking, you are going to design a program that compiles CFML code into Java. Isn't this exactly what CFMX is doing? Afterall it's really JRUN that's the webserver now. CFMX is mainly just the compiler. So on that line of thought; wouldn't this be a direct competitor to CFMX (in certain regards)? I really advice you to get MMs approval before you go any further. Not that they aren't a great bunch of guys, but they are in it for the money (like every business) and wouldn't be too happy if you came out with a system that did close to the same thing. It would be an utter shame if you finished this, only to have MM sue you. Although BlueDragon uses CFML, they may have had to buy the rights to it, or work out a permission deal with MM. Personally, I would like to be able to take my CF applications and compile them for a .NET server. That would really piss of MS, and probably MM, but dammit it would mean I could develop an app in CF, and sell it to everyone! NEway, I really don't mean to degrade your ideas at all, and I would be more than willing to run some serious beta tests for you in the future. I'd lend my Java skills, but alas I'm gonna be knee deep in a .NET app for the next few months. (An app I will no doubt convert to J2EE upon completion) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Well, the way I'm planning on creating the front end will be Interface driven (GUI) so you create the way it looks and place code in the back-end to each individual item. I'm not sure if you are familiar with Visual Basic, but very similar to that. I also thought of a way to put straight code and allow the front-end to be made with HTML layouts, but I think that the visual environment would be better. Pablo - Original Message - From: I-Lin Kuo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Visual Fusion - Thoughts? Pablo, LongQuestion The way that CF developers are used to writing CF code is to have it generate HTML which is displayed in the browser. How does that work in your app -- in other words, how does the developer control the look? If you're still using HTML to control the look, then you using the minimal HTML-rendering component in Java, or something else? If not, then there's going to be some learning curve for the display widgets, or are you duplicating WinForms in Java? /LongQuestion = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Outlook import file
Dave, I caught a segment of this presentation down at devCon, if I remember correctly you can only add one iCal event at a time. Outlook of course is not going to let you click on one link and import 365 days of events. (makes sense as there could be some malicious web developers out there). What about using CF to generate an import file, that the user could save to their computer, and import manually? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Outlook import file Anybody have the format of a proper text file for importing calendar items for outlook? I want to create a text file of the next year's publication schedule, for example, and distribute it for people to import into their Outlook calendars. I've searched the Web and found nothing that gives me what I want. No good examples, at least nothing that works. Try this: http://www.cfugorama.com/cfugorama/codelibrary/ical.cfm Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
cfc directory
Is there a cfLib-esque site for CFCs? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues
I'm with you Dave. It's just plain annoying. iHappenToLikeThisNamingMethod. thisnamingmethodisdumb. underscores_are_illegal_in_many_cases. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues No, when a CFM looks up a CFC, it has to be lowercase. However, the bug is when a CFC calls another CFC, it's case insensitive and it should be lowercase just like the original. I guess that's my next question then. Why does it *have* to be lower case? If I'm on a *nix system, I've come to expect case-sensitivity in my file naming. Why the change for MX? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues
I find I run into problems with underscores a lot in third party applications. Webservices too. As a general rule I like to keep everything alphanumeric if I can. Although I did like the underscore security used in the old Allaire forums, where you tagged include files with an underscore. The application layer would then redirect any pages that tried to directly load files that being with an underscore. Too bad that was the ONLY thing even remotely intelligent about that system. So wait, why can't files being with an underscore now? Are you just talking CFCs? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues As long as the filename doesn't begin with an underscore, it should be fine. In what cases are you speaking of that the underscore is illegal? I have used them for folders and filenames with no problems. ~Todd At 03:22 PM 1/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: I'm with you Dave. It's just plain annoying. iHappenToLikeThisNamingMethod. thisnamingmethodisdumb. underscores_are_illegal_in_many_cases. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues
Functions. Not CFC name. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Technote) ColdFusion MX: Known ColdFusion MX Issues In web services ther are illegal Does this mean that I can't expose any of my CFCs as a web service to other technologies if they have undserscores in their name? If I can't, then I think that's reason enough to change MX so that it doesn't mess with filename casing. I'm not going to go naming my files annoyinglylongfilename.cfm if I want to use web services on *nix systems. That's pretty ludicrous, if you ask me. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
toAlphaNumeric() - Anyone write this UDF yet?
I see isAlphanumeric on cfLib.org, was wondering if anyone has written one to strip any characters that aren't alphanumeric. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Design Pattern Question
Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal Helms left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if not, why is this rumor floating around? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of procedural methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts. Yet in my opinion there is a further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us, that I have not yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc. Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete application design and development environment from concept-discussion through coding-ongoing maintenance. In addition by using Fusebox we have found it easy to bring in developers who had never coded on CF before but who had a good grasp of HTML, JavaScript and/or ASP-JSP. Further by abstracting the actual Fuseaction values till run-time Fusebox truly affords the capability at another layer of separation, that of separating design from development; when combined with the very descriptive capabilities afforded by the use of Fusedocs. Finally, the logicality of using Circuits as a mapping/pathing mechanism addresses to physical layout questions of developing a web application. There is one last very important point here, there have been many previous methodologies/frameworks applied to ColdFusion development. What is different in Fusebox is it has become the most widely used of all of them and that is a very considerable factor for those of us using teams of developers that can change, grow, shrink etc. I recommend you take a look at Hal Helms work http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm as CFMX and Fusebox are melded to form the next iteration of Fusebox. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Peter Bagnato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question I think that this is a very healthy design methodology for CF. Ben Forta has been harping for ages about the importance of separating the display, application, and data layers from the CF applications. The methodology outlined in that page presents this to the CF environment. It actually follows many of the well known and widely used J2EE methodologies out there. That was something that always bugged me about FuseBox and other methodologies presented for CF. Those are just my thoughts: Peter Bagnato -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF_Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Design Pattern Question Has anyone here taken a detailed look at the CFMX (semi) OOP design pattern put forth at http://www.benorama.com? Is anyone here using it? Formed some opinions? Have anything to add (or subtract)? Know who put this together in the first place? As one of my former commanders used to ask Questions? Comments? War Stories? Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Variables in CFMX
#variables.thisForm# is coming up as an empty string. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Variables in CFMX I have the following variable being set in a loop ... CFMX doesn't like it ... and below is the error too ... any suggestions? Trying to set: cfset form.#variables.thisForm# = thisItem Error is: The string form. is not a valid ColdFusion variable name. Valid variable names must start with a letter, and can only contain letter, numbers, and underscores. Thanks in advance! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for developing ColdFusion Applications What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion? Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a few elite people? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox committee, he was a founding member. I can tell you that he is still very much involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that regard here http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm. Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for developing ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for ASP, JSP and PHP development. There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the need for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer all the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered. Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like and I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper Blog http://www.webapper.net Web site http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question Scott Wilhelm writes: This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a newbie in the CF world) http://www.fusebox.org. it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe has been ported to PHP). Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render fusebox moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have heard in certain circles) :) charlie SW -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal Helms left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if not, why is this rumor floating around? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of procedural methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts. Yet in my opinion there is a further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us, that I have not yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc. Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete application design and development environment from concept-discussion through coding-ongoing maintenance. In addition by using Fusebox we have found it easy to bring in developers who had never coded on CF before but who had a good grasp of HTML, JavaScript and/or ASP-JSP. Further by abstracting the actual Fuseaction values till run-time Fusebox truly affords the capability at another layer of separation, that of separating design from development; when combined with the very descriptive capabilities afforded by the use of Fusedocs. Finally, the logicality of using Circuits as a mapping/pathing mechanism addresses to physical layout questions of developing a web application. There is one last very important point here, there have been many previous methodologies/frameworks applied to ColdFusion development. What is different in Fusebox is it has become the most widely used of all of them and that is a very considerable factor for those of us using teams of developers that can change, grow, shrink etc. I recommend you take a look at Hal Helms work http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm as CFMX and Fusebox are melded to form the next iteration of Fusebox. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web
RE: Database Results
Scott, You really need to buy the CF Application Book. In the meantime: cfquery name=queryName datasource=dsn SQL goes here /cfquery queryName.recordCount = number of records You don't need to dump it into an array. You can loop over the query with: cfoutput query=queryName /cfoutput Good luck with CF. Buy the book. Ben needs the money. (j/k) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Database Results When I used to work with ASP, I would run my SQL statement, check to see if the recordset is empty or not, if it wasn't, I'd roll it up into an array, and the loop through the array. I know how to do the SQL statement, and how to loop through it, but how would I check to see if the result of the query contained results or not, and how would I put the results in an array, and then how would I loop through that array? I'm sorry for asking so many questions...I'm in a new job which is also a new developing environment...and I have very little time to learn all this... Any all help is greatly appreciated, as I know everyone in here is strapped for time as well. Thanks, Scott ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Mac Browser
Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think Apple is getting into the browser wars? I'm mostly surprised as it looks to be more trouble that it's worth for Apple. If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on an office competitor. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Mac Browser Dick Applebaum wrote: Do you know of any browsers on any platform that conform to all the standards? Scroll up in this thread and read my first response. The point is not that support for HTML/CSS/DOM in Safari is better or worse as in the offerings of the competition. I don't know if it is (but I would like to know). The point is that I find it bizarre that the official test suite does not render due to a minor bug. To me, that means they didn't use the official test suite, which makes me worry about how committed they *really* are to producing a standards compliant browser. Because at the same time some salesdroid has put the following text online: Rest assured, Safari renders Web pages properly according to the latest Internet standards. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Mac Browser
Yeah, but we're so damn close to not having to worry about browser differences with ie6, ns7 and mozilla. (atleast closer than ever before) This beta release throws a big wrench into it. I think Apple needs to be careful, and put out a browser that renders exactly like the competition. With such a small user base, companies may just say 'screw it' we're not going to design sites for Safari. Still the idea of all browsers meeting all of wc3s DOM and CSS standards seems like wishful thinking. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Mac Browser Personally, I don't think any of us would know what to do if someone made a 100% standards-compliant browser ... We've been so used to hacking around this or that or working around some limitation that we'd probably all spontaneously combust. What's the point of this massive standards effort if companies don't build to the specs? If sovereign nations can impose rules like No nuclear weapons or we'll bomb you then it doesn't seem a far stretch to imagine a union of companies that actually ENFORCES some level of standards-compliance. Honestly, if no one goes by the rules, should we really call them standards? Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Fregas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Mac Browser Actually they did create a PowerPoint type slide show app. So it seems maybe that is the direction they're going. First a browser, then a presentation app, all they need is a good spreadsheet and word processor. Personally, I'll root for anything that gives MS competition, even though I love IE and .NET. But I agree with the consensus here: Mac better get with the standards program when the app goes from beta to final or this developer will be giving their browser the finger. Fregas - Original Message - From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: RE: New Mac Browser Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think Apple is getting into the browser wars? I'm mostly surprised as it looks to be more trouble that it's worth for Apple. If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on an office competitor. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Mac Browser Dick Applebaum wrote: Do you know of any browsers on any platform that conform to all the standards? Scroll up in this thread and read my first response. The point is not that support for HTML/CSS/DOM in Safari is better or worse as in the offerings of the competition. I don't know if it is (but I would like to know). The point is that I find it bizarre that the official test suite does not render due to a minor bug. To me, that means they didn't use the official test suite, which makes me worry about how committed they *really* are to producing a standards compliant browser. Because at the same time some salesdroid has put the following text online: Rest assured, Safari renders Web pages properly according to the latest Internet standards. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF MX cfobject
David, I had the same problems when I upgraded to MX. I was using CFXid3 or something like that, and it was using a COM object. The object for one reason or the other wouldn't always load, and when it did, it wasn't reliable. Sometimes locking up my treads. So I moved everything over to a java class, and have had a lot of success. I'll send you the CFC this weekend, I need to strip it down and take out all of my internal stuff, like updating my database, and loading directories. (specific to my application) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: David D Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF MX cfobject I am having trouble getting this object to work via cold fusion. Works fine in asp. In ASP file 'Create ID3Edit object set reg-code to READONLY Set objID3 = server.CreateObject(ID3Edit.ID3Tag) In cold fusion mx file cfobject type=COM name=ObjID3 class=ID3Edit.ID3Tag action=CREATE I get: An exception occurred when instantiating a Com object. The cause of this exception was that: AutomationException: 0x800401f7 - Some error in application program. The error occurred in D:\Inetpub\wwwroot\Default\test.cfm: line 34 Any suggestions? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: submit cfform without submit button
Tell your boss I think he's an idiot. That such a usability no-no. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jeremy Bunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: submit cfform without submit button Hello all, I know this isn't strictly a CF issue but I am using CF at the momeny so here we go. I have a simple form with two text fields one for username and one for password. Here is the code. cfform action=checkin.cfm method=post enctype=multipart/form-data cfinput class=copy required=yes style=width:140px; name=userjay type=text size=14 maxlength=50 message=Username is Required cfinput class=copy required=yes style=width:140px; name=passwordjay type=password size=14 maxlength=50 message=Username is Required input type=submit value=nbsp;Enternbsp; class=copy /cfform My boss wants there to NOT be a submit button showing on the screen, i.e. he just wants people to type in their username and password and then hit enter to login. How would I go about this. I thought of just hiding the submit in a div but that didn't do it. It needs to work in NN4.7 up and IE 5 up. Any help would be good. Jeremy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Custom Tag for MP3 tags
David, I have a java class that I use to get/set id3 info. It doesn't have a wrapper customTag, but I could throw one together if you need one. Hit me up off list if you are interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: David Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Custom Tag for MP3 tags Does anyone know of a custom tag that will write ID3 v2.3 tags back to MP3 files? I found CFXID3 v1.3 on CF Dev Exchange. But from what I can tell it only writes v1.1 files. David ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Mac Browser
I've already found a few render bugs/issues. -Javascripted windows don't open at the right dimensions. -There seem to be some cellpadding issues in certain tables. -Relative scaling of tables isn't rendering correct. When I say correct, I mean like netscape and ie for mac. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Mac Browser I am running it on my TiBook against CFMX for J2EE installed on both JRun and Tomcat. It is wicked fast. It has Flash, QuickTime, JavaScript, Java built in. As for a JVM, OS X comes standard with a JVM and JDK -- so no apps need their own (not the browser, JRun, CFMX, Tomcat, yadda, yadda, yadda). It also automatically (first boot) sucked in all my settings from IE -- nice! Dick On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: I'm elated, but at the same time sick to my stomach. After years we finally got ie and netscape to render damn near close to identical. Please tell me this meets all w3c standards. Btw, anyone know if a JVM is built in? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Mac Browser
I'm sorry. I think it's pretty irresponsible of apple to put out a browser that doesn't meet standards. Especially when they intend to ship it with the OS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mueller, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Mac Browser Not to completely defend Apple on this point, because the fact that they're not using Gecko makes me a little sick to my stomach, but King Steve did say they've updated quite a bit of the KHTML code. Hopefully, these updates have not yet been reflected on the website you've listed below. -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Mac Browser It uses the KHTML rendering engine, which appears in my professional opinion...to suck. Luckily it looks like they also are apparently spoofing the browser by default (as NS5), so it will never show up in server logs, and we can safely pretend it doesn't exist. http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/khtml/ The KHTML docs speak for themselves, but I will highlight :) KHTML provides a (almost) complete implementation of Dom Level 1. Cascading style sheets Level1 are mostly supported now. In other words, they are (almost) mostly ready to compare favorably with Netscape 4... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 2:38:35 PM, you wrote: AJ I'm elated, but at the same time sick to my stomach. After years we AJ finally got ie and netscape to render damn near close to identical. AJ Please tell me this meets all w3c standards. Btw, anyone know if a JVM AJ is built in? AJ Adam Wayne Lehman AJ Web Systems Developer AJ Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health AJ Distance Education Division AJ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
New Mac Browser
I'm elated, but at the same time sick to my stomach. After years we finally got ie and netscape to render damn near close to identical. Please tell me this meets all w3c standards. Btw, anyone know if a JVM is built in? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: WWWOT certification experiences/plans?
Well not to knock the real MCSEs, but I swear MS was giving them to people if they could sign their name. Like 80% of the MCSEs I know, are morons. And the one who aren't have other certs outside of MS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: WWWOT certification experiences/plans? Okay, I have to tell my story... CERTIFICATION MADE MY BUSINESS! Really. This is how it happened. I had started to work full time as a consultant programmer, when a client told me that her shop was looking for a Technology Director (CIO). I polished my CV and applied. I seemed to be a good fit for the job. I had a nice interview with their search committee. I didn't get the job. It went to a guy with an MSCE. Flash forward 16 months. I have 2 1/2 employees and am doing great. I get a call from my client. Bob the MSCE, who BTW had zero interest in computers, but wanted an easy job, is leaving because the work is too hard. He has accomplished not one goal during his tenure and his major project, which was one month from going live when he was hired, is still at square one. Typical Bob story: Being a hands on kinda guy, he installed 9 servers in his office. Fortunately, it was close to the electrical panel. The only rub was that he couldn't get the temperature below 102 degrees. Anyway, they want to know if I am still available. When I stop laughing, I reply that, no, I am not available as an employee, but we will take the project on as a contractor. I GIVE THANKS DAILY TO THE GODS OF CERTIFICATION! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Incoming email manager
Rizal, I'd be interested in taking a look as well. I'd be more than happy to give you some space on my CF box at home. As for what David was looking for, I too would want the messages to be stored in a Db. (For creating FAQs, monitoring support trends, etc.) but your app sounds like a good starting point. Drop me a line off-list. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Incoming email manager David, i've made a helpdesk/trouble ticketing system like this based on CF. Basically it scans POP3 account, and check the subject and content of the email. If the system founds specific keywords, then the email will be redirected to agents (cust. support). My app uses cfschedule for mail retrieval and distribution to agents. It also supports escalation, and you may define how the escalation process works easily. All web based. If you're interesting to see how my app works, let me know. I need 3 days to give you a demo. Well actually i need to find a free CF SQL server that allow cfschedule and then upload scripts :) Rizal At 09:17 PM 1/6/2003, you wrote: Does anyone know of a prewritten application that handles incoming email? Before I go creating something on my own I wanted to see if anyone had an application already written. We have close to 20 email accounts that serve customer support in diferent ways and as employees change we are finding that some of those accounts go unchecked. I need an application that can receive these emails and dump them into a database that I can then incorporate with our intranet. If the emails go unanswered I would like a higher-up to be notified. David Murphy www.cfugcny.org ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java
Yeah, but most programmers I know didn't learn in school. (myself included) MCSE programs are every where, but at the schools I've seen, there are the same amount of java courses as C, as well as Perl. Now you can say MS rules the schools cuz of VB and C#. MS controls more languages than any other org right? So of course there will be a lot of 'MS' courses. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Kevin Bridges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java The only way you'll see a reversal in numbers/pay is if schools were capable of separating business and actually educate ... Microsoft rules the schools and uses the schools to educate students on Microsoft products, great for MS, bad for the industry. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java I think the two big balance points are: Java developers are more expensive because they are few in numbers. v. MSCDs and MSCEs are everywhere, and cheaper. If java became the big open source language used by all, you would most likely see a reversal in numbers vs. pay. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: RE: CFMX and Java opps... Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as open Java (these might be good questions..) 1.How many versions of JVM's do we have today? 2.Do all the basic Java API's work whether it be IBM/SUN/BEA/ORCALE? 3.What do you need to develop a Java J2EE/Other App? J2EE complex and expensive talent..YES. But how many times does a company re-write software? Is Tomcat expensive? is J2SE(JDK) expensive? Maintenance contracts? Vs C#/Visual Basic (MS whatever) What are your choices in development?(MS Only?). How many vendors do we have for .NET Framework? Will C# code run on any platform? How much money are corportations spending on Licence agreements? Contracts? MSDN subsciptions? Talk about.. .Net Complexity? It took me around 11/2hrs to get Webshpere Studio running and compiling right... It took me a couple days to get .NET framework/Visual Studio.Net running right.. not to mention.. it messed up CFMX install first time... Oh Yea.. Install took 2hrs..finished a full movie during the install.. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Benjamin S. Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/03/03 01:54 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: CFMX and Java With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as open (despite what Sun's marketing department might say). C# and the CLI, on the other hand, have been ratified by the ECMA. Whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate, but I think it does exhibit a greater degree of openness. Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what corporations think about their pricing..? I think you're mixing up workstation and productivity software licensing with server licensing. While quite a few are upset about the former, IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea compete in the latter. If we're comparing Oracle's licensing to Microsoft's, well, I'll take Microsoft's any day of the week. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: CFMX and Java I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java Interesting and funny!. I happen to do a little internet shopping around Christmas and New year. About 75% of the GOOD Clothing/accessories/home decor websites were JSP and am pretty sure they are in some fashion J2EE compliant.. and scaled very well inspite of all the traffic(especially ppl shopping for good prices and stuff) I hope you know that CFMX is just a J2EE Application deployed on JRun and quite interesting enough on IBM websphere. With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what corporations think about their pricing..? I really think Linux/Lindows/Open Platform and Java will take off and in this economy of corporate cutbacks.. corporations are actively looking for cheaper solutions/software. As for CFMX and Java... i think for heavy duty applications.. CFMX will be suitable for Presentation Tier and Java will be used
RE: Incoming email manager
This was written for 4.5 or 5? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Incoming email manager Okay, first of all, thanks for your offer. I've now setup my CF helpdesk on my prev. company account :) For all of you who want to take a look, here's the info: URL: http://216.218.205.107/helpdesk/backoffice Sysadmin login: username: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pass: helpdesk Feel free to try this app, and let me know what you think. It's not 100% finish though, need some 'list' functionalities, like user list, category list, etc. But the main functionality already works. If you need a how-to on using this helpdesk, mail me off-list Look forward to your feedback. Thanks a lot, Rizal At 10:45 PM 1/6/2003, you wrote: Rizal, I'd be interested in taking a look as well. I'd be more than happy to give you some space on my CF box at home. As for what David was looking for, I too would want the messages to be stored in a Db. (For creating FAQs, monitoring support trends, etc.) but your app sounds like a good starting point. Drop me a line off-list. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF tag for UPS
Geez, forget UPS. Why would they be so adamant against all this? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF tag for UPS On 1/6/03, Stacy Young penned: Colleague of mine needs to access UPS shipping services...Has anyone been successful at creating a tag for MX that uses their XML protocol? I actually built tags for the Rates Services and Tracking for my shopping cart with the intention of making them freely available. I've been going through a quite trying time with UPS trying to get licensed as a developer to distribute my cf_ezcart with the tools included. They've been fighting with me tooth and nail trying to keep me out, but have actually sent me an application (after 3 months of hassling them) after I assured them that all UPS associated files and tags would be encrypted (not that they can't be decrypted), and that I'd include warnings, etc. in my licensing that decrypting them is illegal, immoral, wrong, and will result in a public flogging and loss of UPS access privileges for anyone doing so or changing any of the code. I get to pay a $1,000 per day testing fee for the privilege of allowing my clients to ship using UPS under my developer's key. They've also informed me that they have their legal department checking places like the Developer's Exchange for anyone distributing modular code to access their systems, without being licensed to do so, and may possibly take legal action. Now. I AM able to distribute my cart without the files included, then be hired as a consultant to the merchant to integrate the tools under their developer's key once they register and receive a developer's key and access key. To integrate the tools I have to go through the long, tedious process of... uploading the files to the server. The whole thing is ludicrous. It's like they're begging people to use USPS. The only good thing about the whole thing for me is, once I get approved, I get listed with only about a dozen other shopping carts (instead of the hundreds you usually get lost with) on the UPS website, most of which are either overpriced or just plain suck. Anyway, without actually distributing the files, and maybe screwing myself with UPS, if you contact me off list maybe we can work something out where I can work with you on the project. I'm sure you'll save a few hours, and we'll avoid UPS licensing issues for both of us. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New ColdFusion Resource (Var Declarations)
What are the pro and cons of using 'var' vs. 'this'? 'var' has to be declared at the beginning of the function, but 'this' does not? I can also dump 'this'. Does var function as a scope like that? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: New ColdFusion Resource Just wanted to let people know that I finally got some time to set up my weblog. It can be found here: http://macromedia.com/go/cantrell It has only been up for a couple of days, so there is not much content yet, but now that I have the coding done (on version 1.0, anyway), I will be able to concentrate on content. Couple of notes: 1. Please use the URL above to access the site as opposed to the URL it resolves to as it will probably be getting moved to a different domain fairly soon. 2. There is an RSS news feed available. Check the resources tab for the URL if you are interested. 3. The site is still in beta, so let me know if you have any problems with it. Thanks, Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT: administrivia
Well is there a way to kick him off the list, as he obviously isn't reading it NEway. (since we're all talking about him and he hasn't responded) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: administrivia Everett, Al wrote: Would be nice if you can kick off anyone that uses spam arrest on the account they sign up to the mailing list. Return receipts are almost as annoying. I'll second that. But that would require the ability for the mail server to identify mail as originating from a mailinglist. Many mailservers for instance recognize the Precedence: list header and don't send vacation messages and return receipts to them. There is currently no way to identify cf-talk as a mailinglist automatically. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFC - Var vs. This
Alright, So Christian says to declare all of your private CFC variables at the top of the function like so cfset var value = 1. Hal Helms recommends using cfset this.value = 1. Both obviously work, but I'm wondering what the pros and cons are if any. Off the top of my head, it would seem that 'this' is more functional, as it acts like any other scope and can be dumped. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC - Var vs. This
Right. But what's the difference outside of syntax. Would I want to use one over the other? Why would I want to use var over this inside a CF is this is much more flexible? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC - Var vs. This The two are very different. this is the public variable scope for a CFC instance. var is a keyword used to declare local function variables. this can be used anywhere inside a CFC. var can only be used immediately proceeding a function declaration or argument specification of a function declaration. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC - Var vs. This Alright, So Christian says to declare all of your private CFC variables at the top of the function like so cfset var value = 1. Hal Helms recommends using cfset this.value = 1. Both obviously work, but I'm wondering what the pros and cons are if any. Off the top of my head, it would seem that 'this' is more functional, as it acts like any other scope and can be dumped. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC - Var vs. This
Interesting, as Hal Helm's Discovering CFCs recommends using 'this' to make sure internal CFC variables do not overwrite existing variables. However, var makes much more sense. Kinda. I mean I totally understand its use in object oriented programming, but I even if I was able to change the variable set by 'this' from outside the method; would the variable not be reset to it's hardcoded value when the method is executed (due to the fact we're still procedural)? Or am I wrong in my assumption? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC - Var vs. This It is a matter of access. Anything existing in the this scope can be accessed from anywhere whether inside the CFC or not. Anything declared with the var keyword is only accessible to the function that declared it and nothing else. It is considered a good programming practice to limit access to variables as much as possible. Thus, if you have no need to access a variable outside of the function to which it is declared then you should use the var keyword. Further, if you have no need to access a variable outside of a CFC then it should not be placed in the this scope. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC - Var vs. This Right. But what's the difference outside of syntax. Would I want to use one over the other? Why would I want to use var over this inside a CF is this is much more flexible? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC - Var vs. This The two are very different. this is the public variable scope for a CFC instance. var is a keyword used to declare local function variables. this can be used anywhere inside a CFC. var can only be used immediately proceeding a function declaration or argument specification of a function declaration. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC - Var vs. This Alright, So Christian says to declare all of your private CFC variables at the top of the function like so cfset var value = 1. Hal Helms recommends using cfset this.value = 1. Both obviously work, but I'm wondering what the pros and cons are if any. Off the top of my head, it would seem that 'this' is more functional, as it acts like any other scope and can be dumped. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans
Personally, I'd write everything in beans if given the opportunity. Not to knock CF or NEthing, but I like the idea of my code being server independent. You can use the same beans on your expensive CFMX box, or on a freeware J2ee, or any other java apps for that matter. It really is one of the best architectures for code reuse. (IMHO) Thinking of some of the archaic systems we have at our university, we would have saved hundreds of thousands on updating them, had we been able to use the exact same code. I can't say for certain if CF will be around in 25 years, but I feel pretty confident that java will. It's just kind of crazy to think that my code will last that long. As it's usually cycled out due to technology changes, not logic. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans I am not sure, why you would instanciate a Java Bean/object to validate a form or populate a database.. CFMX can do this without much effort. To my knowledge.. there are instances where CFMX does NOT perform well or you need more leverage.. if this is the case.. a Java Bean would be ideal.. e.g. 1.Heavy duty Math calcuation in loops. 2.Data manipulation... 3.Some things that were done in custom tags are much faster/clean done in a Bean. 4.Flow control for a big application etc. The above can basically be re-usable components.. where they can be used from either CFMX or JSP. You should be able to instanciate a Java Object/bean in just about any version of CFMX.. but you can only run jsp on CFMX Enterprise...this is what i understand. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Rob Rohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/02/03 03:44 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans I've been playing with JSP (tomcat) and the bean feature is rad. Creating the accessor and mutator and then simply having the form go straight to the bean - it's awesome I have 2 questions. First, are bean functions available in cfmx (non enterprise or does one have to upgrade - I am a bit confused would pages work like .cfm - cfmx - tomcat - apache/iis - brower?). Second, did you guys base cfmx/jrun off tomcat or is that just coincidence (directory structure, jikes, etc)? Thanks for any input. Cheers, Rob ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
