RE: Got an opinion on MM Contribute?
Most CF developers won't find a good use for Contribute. Contribute is intended more for sites with NO dynamic management. Like someone who wants to manage a site of pictures of his new baby, or a lacrosse team that just wants to put up their schedule and contact info. No tool is being built for them and they surely don't have the means to get someone to build them a system. We (the CF developers) aren't the market for this product. Our clients generally aren't the users for Contribute either, since we build tools simliar to Contribute for them. It's for other people many steps down the Internet ladder from web developers. That considered, I find use for Contribute. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ** -Original Message- From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Got an opinion on MM Contribute? The sites I create use ActiveEdit which allows the client to log in and add images, links, some formatting and the text content. This does not affect the underlying code. That considered, I find no use for Contribute in my operation. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Matt Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Got an opinion on MM Contribute? | At 12:10 PM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: | a little pricey per seat. How does it work? | | Wouldn't something like CommonSpot be better/cheaper? | | Actually, $99 per seat is pretty good for a lot of organizations. | Remember that CT is not a content management system in the vein that | one here would construct one. It is a content editor in the static | HTML of a file. If your pages are all made up dynamically, there is | still plenty it is good for, but it won't be your CMS for the site. I | think the way to look at it is that it is for getting the enduser out | of your hair if you don't have the contract for a full CMS. | | _ | | Matt Brown Dreamweaver and Contribute Community Manager | Macromedia (415) 706-6543 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The Dreamweaver Blog: http://shorterlink.com/?KB8LAL | Developer Resource Kit Volume 2: | http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/ | | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Got an opinion on MM Contribute?
Okay, I may be missing something now, I haven't played much with the final version, but permission keys from DW don't seem needed. Just setting up a site with FTP connection information should take care of it right??? t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ** -Original Message- From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Got an opinion on MM Contribute? | Most CF developers won't find a good use for Contribute. | | Contribute is intended more for sites with NO dynamic management. | Like someone who wants to manage a site of pictures of his new baby, | or a lacrosse team that just wants to put up their schedule and | contact info. No tool is being built for them and they surely don't | have the means to get someone to build them a system. | Users can do that with a free application such as Netscape Composer and many other HTML editors, also free. I could not imagine making my clients purchase an editor which would require me to give them a permission key from DreamweaverMX, when I can do that simple via folder permissions.. Maybe I am missing something here. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Server Crash #4 for the day..
Brook, Since people only seem to mention CFMX when it does bad, I'm going to mention when it does good. I've personally had atleast half dozen CFMX installs go fine. The sites on the boxes run fine. Even under load. So I for one say 'CFMX is ready for production. (just build your site to take advantage of it)'. I would and do recommend it for anyone looking to build a web app. We launched a pretty good site that was half CFMX, half CF5 less than a month after CFMX's release date. No updater was available and we had no problems. The network load-balancing solution our client had selected went down before the CF servers did under load. We had 200 simulateous requests chugging along on our Win2k server with IIS5. If your server is crashing at 6 I'd check your code first and stop complaining about the server. Something bigger seems to be going on. If you upgraded from 5, then did you test your app before hand? Any load testing would have brought this problem up. Good luck, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Server Crash #4 for the day.. Well, our CFMX server just crashed for the 4th time today. I've had the perfmon open all day and have been watching the traffic. We had an average of 12 connections when the running requests started to grow and grow. As I mentioned in my previous post, there were 3 running requests that had not finished for hours. As far as the number of CFMX request, as I was watching it, it never went above 6. This really means there was a max of 3 running requests (on top of the 3 that were already dead), it would go up to 6 and then back down to 3. Those 3 threads weren't going anywhere. Then I noticed that the running requests was growing incrementally, so I tried to make an HTTP request to the serverand it did not respond. I checked the running requests, and there was one more. The server was DEAD, HUNG, FINISHED - KAPUT. The Perfmon counter restarted jrun when the running requests reached 10, and the server came back to life. Thank you Lee Fuller for this temporary fix. What is Macromedia doing about this? CFMX is not ready for production. If your sales of CFMX are not what you expected, there's a fairly obvious reason why. I certainly, based on my experience, would not recommend (and I think anyone running CFMX would agree) anyone to switch to CFMX anytime soon. Unless you have plenty of spare time to baby sit your server. Brook ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CFMX Server Crash #4 for the day..
We sure are. MSSQL 2k though. That's the only difference I've seen. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Server Crash #4 for the day.. I'm going to guess that your not running SQL Server on a separate box. Are you? At 04:00 PM 27/11/02 -0700, you wrote: Brook, Since people only seem to mention CFMX when it does bad, I'm going to mention when it does good. I've personally had atleast half dozen CFMX installs go fine. The sites on the boxes run fine. Even under load. So I for one say 'CFMX is ready for production. (just build your site to take advantage of it)'. I would and do recommend it for anyone looking to build a web app. We launched a pretty good site that was half CFMX, half CF5 less than a month after CFMX's release date. No updater was available and we had no problems. The network load-balancing solution our client had selected went down before the CF servers did under load. We had 200 simulateous requests chugging along on our Win2k server with IIS5. If your server is crashing at 6 I'd check your code first and stop complaining about the server. Something bigger seems to be going on. If you upgraded from 5, then did you test your app before hand? Any load testing would have brought this problem up. Good luck, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Server Crash #4 for the day.. Well, our CFMX server just crashed for the 4th time today. I've had the perfmon open all day and have been watching the traffic. We had an average of 12 connections when the running requests started to grow and grow. As I mentioned in my previous post, there were 3 running requests that had not finished for hours. As far as the number of CFMX request, as I was watching it, it never went above 6. This really means there was a max of 3 running requests (on top of the 3 that were already dead), it would go up to 6 and then back down to 3. Those 3 threads weren't going anywhere. Then I noticed that the running requests was growing incrementally, so I tried to make an HTTP request to the serverand it did not respond. I checked the running requests, and there was one more. The server was DEAD, HUNG, FINISHED - KAPUT. The Perfmon counter restarted jrun when the running requests reached 10, and the server came back to life. Thank you Lee Fuller for this temporary fix. What is Macromedia doing about this? CFMX is not ready for production. If your sales of CFMX are not what you expected, there's a fairly obvious reason why. I certainly, based on my experience, would not recommend (and I think anyone running CFMX would agree) anyone to switch to CFMX anytime soon. Unless you have plenty of spare time to baby sit your server. Brook ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Flash Com and CFUG meeting
Rick, I've hooked up my Canon MiniDV camcorder via Firewire to my machine and used it for webcam. On two different machines Flash recognized it as a video source in the setting panels. The picture quality was in my opinion great compared to my co-workers connected on their $50 web cams. And with my camera remote I was able to zoom in and out and apply other recording effects like fades and digital effects for no good reason too. But I think that I've read that officially MM doesn't support the use of firewire cameras for webcams, but they do work. So if something doesn't work and you call them they'll probably tell you, that you're right - it doesn't work. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:Rick;GoLibertyOnline.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Com and CFUG meeting And is there a way to hookup a real video camera, complete with wireless mic, instead of using a $50 video cam? While you're beefing up the serving computer, don't forget the adage, Garbage in, garbage out. If the camera produces only a mediocre image at best, it'll still be mediocre no matter how much horsepower is under the hood of the computer. Is it possible to use a real video camera? Even the cheapest palm-sized video recorder will produce better images than a video cam. Rick -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdinowit;houseoffusion.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 2:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Com and CFUG meeting That may well be the issue. The laptop was a 400mhz with 128 meg of ram. I've seen much better broadcast performance on my home machine at 2.53 Ghz and 512 meg of ram. While this is not do-able for a laptop, a more modern one would surely help the performance. The camera was a Logitek 4000 which is rather top of the line but the microphone was whatever was built into it. One of the recommendations I'm making for people using this is to have a separate mic (as many have mentioned to me). We'll be doing that for the next meeting. I think part of the problem with the NYCFUG broadcast was that it was being done on a laptop that didn't really have enough power to handle things. The Flash video chat application is just a sample and could probably be optimized for use in this context. Also the camera and mic setup was not ideal - when folks were nearer the mic and/or there was less background noise, things were better (especially when Michael D spoke more slowly and clearly). Given the $50 video cam, an underpowered laptop and the fact that the server was hosted in Europe, I think the quality was pretty good. It can definitely be better than that - we've had some high-quality audio-video broadcasts here with FlashCom and tested it with a much larger number of users than we saw connected to the NYCFUG broadcast (or the earlier DevCon Community Suite broadcast). If you're having problems getting the quality you'd like, email me offlist and I'll try to help you work with our FlashCom team to see if we can resolve the issues (and then we can post back here our findings). Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Introducing Macromedia Contribute. Web publishing for everyone. Learn more at http://www.macromedia.com/contribute ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
cfscript performance (was cfscript book)
Tony, Pre CFMX using a block of cfscript to set some variables or perform most tasks would give you an increase in performance. Now with MX if you have a block of cfscript and set 10 variables compared to 10 cfset tags the only difference would be the white space between the cfset tags. HTH, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony;navtrak.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfscript book now I am asking all of these questions, is cfscript really that good to use? or could I go all day long using cftags and never see much performance difference .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Visual Source Safe and CF Studio
Hi Lee, I've found VSS with DWMX to be way, way, way better than any usage of projects in studio ever was. The VSS integration is one of the main reasons I switched early on. Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Visual Source Safe and CF Studio On a slightly different note.. Anyone have experience with Dreamweaver MX and VSS? Work as well as Studio/VSS? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: multiple case values in switch statement in cfscript
One option might be to selectively use your break; command in the switch
statement.
If muliple cases can do the same code try
cfscript
switch (theVar){
case val1:{
setAVar = 'it was case 1';
break;
}
case val2:
case val3:{
setAVar = 'it was case 2 or 3';
break;
}
case val4:{
setAVar = 'it was case 4';
break;
}
}
/cfscript
I _think_ from what I remember reading that it'll keep processing until
it hits a break;
Their might be a cleaner way to implement the case statements too, but
it works from my quick tests.
t
**
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From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: multiple case values in switch statement in cfscript
- Original Message -
Could anyone tell me if its possible to define multiple case
statements In a switch block in cfscript..
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I don't think this is possible. If you get an error when you try it,
that would confirm things :-) I think it might be to do with CFScript
being kept as close as possible to JavaScript. Use cfswitch if
necessary...
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RE: not another mx boo boo
Just because Sean works at MM doesn't mean he can't speak _his_ mind. All his emails come from his personal address, not a MM address. He's able to say his own thoughts. He just happens to have access to lots of inside CF information at his work. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: re: not another mx boo boo From best I can tell it is in fact part of his job. It is good to see that MM has employees out in these circles to best represent company with such attitudes and at times insulting behavior. Anyone know who we could contact at MM via smail to compliment such things? Oh, wait, nevermind I am just part of that childish group(Sean The MM hat wearer words). Sean, You're not impressing me with your defensive attitude. Is all this arguing really part of your job? -- Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: export list of datasources
I'm running Enterprise edition, and in MX I find 'Archives and Deployments' under the server settings options of the cf administrator. I think it should be there for Pro if you're using that. I see it on a CFMX for J2EE install as well. HTH, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Sean Daniels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: export list of datasources On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:56 PM, Fitch, Tyler wrote: If you're using CF5+ - make an archive from the cfadmin - it'll grab all your datasources and cfx tags etc... I've been looking for this functionality in MX; how exactly to you do this? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: export list of datasources
Charlie, If you're using CF5+ - make an archive from the cfadmin - it'll grab all your datasources and cfx tags etc... Good luck, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: export list of datasources hey all... upgrading our CF tonite. is there a way to export the list of data sources and import to the new machine, or do we have to rekey all by hand? thx, charlie __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFChart w/o video card possible?
Hey Eric, We ran into the same thing! it was fixed once we installed a video driver. we originally thought it might be a generator conflict(don't ask why we still had that). We brought it up with MM but never heard back on it. I'm glad someone else encountered the problem. I don't know too much to do other than install a video driver. It needs it for something or other. HTH, t -Original Message- From: Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tue 9/17/2002 4:33 PM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: CFChart w/o video card possible? An odd question, but one I had to ask. I'm currently evaluating CFMX at work and was given a dinky old Pentium 2 to do the testing on. Recently, the company was able to scrounge up a MaxAttach 6000 NAS server for me (a dual P3 800 rack mounted network attached storage server, incase you don't know). So I installed CFMX on the NAS server and it's really been flying; until I tried a little application I built using CFCHART. It gives me a 500 error about something amiss in the graphing engine, and it worked fine on the P2. Doing some more research, it looks to be a video card driver issue. Well, the thing is, it's a NAS unit, with no video card. When I connect trough terminal services and look at the display adapter in the control panel, it's listed as null VGA. Any ideas? Thoughts? Thanks, RiX __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: need help with creating documentation for our CF APP
John, I found a well documented documentation process to be fusedocs. Check out the fusedocs chapter from the New Riders fusebox book my Nat Papovich and Jeff Peters. It's well written and does a great job of explaining fusedocs and some tools to extend them. If anything, it'll give your a good jumping off point to develop and document your own documentation process. cheers, t p.s. - in case any of my friends see this, I'm definitely not saying to use fusebox at all! just check our fusedocs. -Original Message- From: John Innit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 9/16/2002 8:57 PM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: need help with creating documentation for our CF APP We're creating documentation for a CF based web site. The documentation should allow other developers to understand our application and functionality. In the event of us needing third party application support or in hiring new developers we want to ensure that our site is well documented. My question is what are the best practices, what should we cover, can anyone share any basic conventions or standards for documentation? Thanks. The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad. - Salvador Dali (1904-1989) __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?)
Winston Churchill - he is given credit to it in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrells - so that's my source, take it for what it's worth. t -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] then im done and on to my passion, GOLF!!! Ah, golf... who once said Golf is a good walk spoiled? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions
Hi Phil, I made the switch. I love it. Integration with VSS is worlds beyond studio and it's use with projects. I haven't gotten into all the DWMX features because I don't need to - but for CF development I find it to be great. There hasn't been a big advance in studio in the last couple releases, this is it (different name, same CF code in the end). We (CF users) shouldn't be scared of the change, embrace it and just jump in. You'll be slow doing stuff for two days or a week - it's okay. Learning doesn't hurt. On the other hand, Homesite+ still is useful/better for quick file edits because it loads much quicker. I still find Homesite+ better for RDS or FTP access to a remote server if needed - again because it'll load quicker. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Phillip Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Dreamweaver MX opinions Hi, I'm evaluating Dreamweaver MX and would like to know people's opinion of this program. From what I could gather this replaces CF Studio. Is this correct? What are your overall likes/dislikes of the program? Thanks Phil __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: get cfpplication name?
Try #Application.applicationName# HTH, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: get cfpplication name? Is there any way to output the value of the application created with the cfapplication tag from within an app's template? CFAPPLICATION name=FOO I want to get FOO. Thanks. Matthew P. Smith Web Developer, Object Oriented Naval Education Training Professional Development Technology Center (NETPDTC) (850)452-1001 ext. 1245 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: programmer vs. developer
Yes, We program. But in the grand scheme of things, for demographic purposes we are considered developers, not just MM but to the computer world. Programmers beat us to the programming way back when computers were invented. They got first rights to use that name in generic terms. We don't do what they do. We program web pages/applications, but are considered 'developers'. I'm glad you feel so strongly about it, but I think it doesn't really matter and you definitely shouldn't be losing any sleep over it. That's just me. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: programmer vs. developer In MMs mind, a programmer is one who uses a compiled language like Java or C++. A developer is someone who uses a scripting language like CF. This is a totally artificial distinction and one I reject on every level. I program. So do you. We're programmers. whats the difference? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX on Unix?
Flash Comm is not Java based, so I doubt he or anyone would be able to port the Windows code anywhere else. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Steve Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MX on Unix? Dick - have you ported Flash Com to OSX? Could you use your same methodology to port Flash Com as you used for CFMX - Original Message - From: Dick Applebaum To: CF-Talk Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: MX on Unix? Developer system on Mac OS X Dick On Monday, August 19, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Nathan Stanford wrote: Who all is running MX on Unix? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: programmer vs. developer
Yes Shawn, I only make web apps. That's all my job here requires me to do (aside from administration tasks). Some people work for themselves and program what ever they need to program to pay the bills. Some people work for companies and dev shops where they only have to program web apps day in and day out. Even more people work for companies where they make web apps and stand alone apps. There are too many possibilities out there for people to be doing as a job. Which brings us back to our original point of getting labeled as one thing or another. It doesn't matter! If IBM had a survey and asked people if they were a programmer using C or Java or a web developer using ASP or CF would anyone give a crud? Why's it matter when MM does it? YOU are what YOU want yourself to be labeled as. I've selected MX Developer as my job title because it sounded better than MX Programmer. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: programmer vs. developer grins Does that mean that you only do web apps Tyler? I know a large number of people on this list bounce from web apps, to desktop apps (via VB, C/C++, Delphi, C#, etc.) - myself included. Currently, I help with a web app project while I wait for my client to get back to me regarding the VB app I'm doing for them. Does this make me a developer or a programmer? My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: programmer vs. developer Yes, We program. But in the grand scheme of things, for demographic purposes we are considered developers, not just MM but to the computer world. Programmers beat us to the programming way back when computers were invented. They got first rights to use that name in generic terms. We don't do what they do. We program web pages/applications, but are considered 'developers'. I'm glad you feel so strongly about it, but I think it doesn't really matter and you definitely shouldn't be losing any sleep over it. That's just me. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: programmer vs. developer In MMs mind, a programmer is one who uses a compiled language like Java or C++. A developer is someone who uses a scripting language like CF. This is a totally artificial distinction and one I reject on every level. I program. So do you. We're programmers. whats the difference? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: debugging info in cfmx
Are you using the dockable debugger? In the Administrator you can change it to classic.cfm and I don't see a noticeable difference from CF5. Try that out, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: debugging info in cfmx is there any cool way to revert back to the way cf5 used to display debugging info @ the bottom of pages? I mean, its like they took a huge step back in that department and its now really strung out data.versus the old way cf5 used to display the data at the bottom of pages.very neat and concise... .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion MX Certification Beta Exam
Some people haven't taken the test yet. Maybe you'd want to table this discussion. You also might want to check what kind of NDA you may have signed about talking about this particular exam. Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Ali Daniali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion MX Certification Beta Exam Hi Folks, I just went through the ColdFusion MX Certification Beta Exam and was wondering what others thought about it. I didn't feel like it really tested very deeply. Maybe the real one will be more comprehensive and harder. I had over 20 min left when it was over. Cheers, Ali Daniali __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CVS
CVS stands for Concurrent Versioning System - I might be botching the C part. It is similar to VSS, the open source/non windows community loves it. It does work with windows too. I don't have any URLs for it off the top of my head. It may also be a drug store. But Michael, I think you missed that one. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 2:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CVS CVS is a drug store. CSV stands for comma-separated values which is a text file that uses commas (or other characters, most notably tabs) to separate data values. Usually used as a text dump of data. What is a CVS and where can I learn more about it? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF vs. ASP
Tony, A little fired up? Biggest baddest apps in the world. Cnn.com, yahoo.com, amazon.com, msn.com - which of these are you working on? Listen to Matt, he's wiser than you. He just has a funny way of showing it. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP speak for yourself matt, since you dont have confidence in your work being the biggest baddest web apps in the world, it doesnt surprise me that you dont find cf as the same. its a shame, a darn shame, you seem to be a pretty smart guy but are way, way too damn Opinionated and in to yourself, even for your own good. if you spent half as much time writing cf code as you do writing bitter emails to this list, you might be able to code some of the biggest baddest web apps in the world, like the rest of us do! tony -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP anyhow, the truth of the matter is thisif i can develop rich cf applications for companies in half the time, that it might take an asp coder to do it, with half the code, i will, and until something better comes along, thats what im doing... I am not disagreeing that CF is faster to develop in. I am simply pointing out that it is not because one particular feature takes less lines to code in CF than another language. I suspect that just as much time is spent in another language learning an email library's API as is wasted by CFers trying to figure why cfmail doesn't do what it is supposed to. of course there is other code to the cfmail tag, what idiot wouldnt know that? but the point was, from a developers prospective, why waste your time on asp or php or anything like that, when you can simply make the BIGGEST BADDEST web apps in the world, with an easy to use tag based markup language. Hrm, last time I check the biggest baddest web apps in the world weren't written in CF. i didnt ask the toyota dealer if he used craftsman tools to build my celica, i simply asked him if it worked, and when i turned the ignition on, it worked, i was pleased. I don't think that is really a valid analogy. -Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFFORM/CFINPUT
The reason I tell people to stay away from CFFORM and CFINPUT is because when you make your form you know what you want it to do. Why make the server burn CPU cycles (not many, but unnecessary ones) to develop your JS validation code for you when you can just tell the system explicitly what to do. If you like the validation code that CF returns, make a form with CFFORM and CFINPUTs, load it and view the source and lift the JS functions. Save them as a snippet and use them when you know you need to use them. Same thing goes for CFUPDATE and CFINSERT - why have the system figure out (excess processing) what SQL statement you want to run when you should be the one determining what SQL statement to run. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: G L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFFORM/CFINPUT Can someone explain to me why alot of advanced CF'ers don't like to use CFFORM and CFINPUTs in their code? I've even heard them refer to it as novice cf-coding. I've always had good luck using them. Are there drawbacks to letting CF generate the js to validate your input fields? There must be a good reason. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Great product for Remote server-system work was RE: cf-talk quiz ...
I've heard people represent paintings through music. Not too many words needed for that. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Great product for Remote server-system work was RE: cf-talk quiz ... How does comparison even come close to working? Is it possible to represent a painting with words? No! Is it possible to run a server without a GUI? Yes! Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Great product for Remote server-system work was RE: cf-talk quiz ... Great point Matt, we have some of those also. Bill Gates was so silly when he created Windows and then Jeremy and JJ Allaire went out and wrote this little thing called ColdFusion and were just as silly as Bill Gates, they made it run on Windows as well, bloody silly move. Oh and the last I heard many of us silly people out here decided to make them rich in differing amounts of course for being so silly. The world is just so full of silly people. And when I go to the next life I will be speaking Michelangelo, Picasso, Van Gogh and all those other silly painters who instead of producing text only masterpieces ruined things by painting these ludicrous GUI's on canvas, ceilings, walls etc. Thank goodness you know better and have a nice weekend. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Great product for Remote server-system work was RE: cf-talk quiz ... Just think, you could stop using a GUI on your server and then you wouldn't need any kind of remote admin product at all. Oh! And more of your RAM and CPU would be available to your server applications instead of wasting resources painting a screen no one sees. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Great product for Remote server-system work was RE: cf-talk quiz ... Brook, you prodded me into sharing this Non CF but very relevant info. We stopped using PCAnywhere some time ago (after many years of using it and frustration at the end) and moved to Remote Anything http://www.remote-anything.com/ it is a gem of a product with so many great features much too numerous to list here. I heartily recommend to all. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cf-talk quiz ... Your kidding me, its Friday?!* I had no idea, this week has been a big waste with downed servers. I swear PCanywhere is a little ^%$! Be very cerful when you install PCanywhere. Its gets it's grubby little hooks everywhere and can cause some serious issues Brook At 04:06 PM 09/08/02 -0700, you wrote: I can tell I am not too sophisticated, I am going to find a joint that has some bloody good beers, hope everyone has a great weekend. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cf-talk quiz ... h. None of the above. (Worn out from the week, out looking for the nearest establishment that can mix a decent Manhattan.) -Original Message- From: Dan Haley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cf-talk quiz ... Sheesh, it's quiet in here today ... Is that because: a) everyone is off registering for devcon, a conference those of us in the Telecom industry won't be going to this year (and didn't go to last year ... boohoo) b) everyone is over on cf-community continuing their 'conversations' and I forgot to subscribe so I'm missing out ... c)
RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I'll admit I'm pretty much a brain washed MM Partner, but I'd say they're pushing Flash for a number of reasons. 1) You can build a full web application with it now via Flash Remoting. VERY easily I might add. 2) It isn't just for movies and intros, BUT the public still thinks it is, we as developers are ahead of the public in what we see coming out on the web. The more MM educates people that Flash isn't just movies, the better. That's what I see them doing now. Have you ever seen an post on Slashdot about Flash. All those guys says is skip intro this, skip intro that. They don't even know what's possible since MX came out, and it's been four months. 3) Server load, if you build an application with Flash, the amount of data that needs to be pushed back and forth between a client and server can be greatly reduced, which can mean MAJOR bandwidth/transfer cost reductions to your client. 4) It's a universal component. People can view your application on windows, mac or the right phone without worrying about CSS and JS issues, etc... I'll end it at that, but I'd say number two is the most important reason. t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Bonnie E. Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? Is it me, or has anyone else noticed there's a REALLY strong push for = Flash lately at all the CFUGs and conferences?? Is there any particular = reason for this? I like Flash - don't get me wrong. But I view it as a GUI frill that I = doubt I can sell to my clients who want a functional business = application. Anyone here can tell me why/how I could sell them Flash = which would be over and above CF development? Bonnie E. Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bettsIT.com 703.508.9766 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? 1) You can build a full web application with it now via Flash Remoting. VERY easily I might add. Easily as compared to what? Certainly not as compared to just HTML and CFML. Compared to Flash 5. 3) Server load, if you build an application with Flash, the amount of data that needs to be pushed back and forth between a client and server can be greatly reduced, which can mean MAJOR bandwidth/transfer cost reductions to your client. Prove it. I know MM claimed this with their Pet Market application, but that doesn't mean it holds true for all Flash applications. Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would put the quote in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it to a Flash piece, only that changed. Saved around $400 million for them in bandwidth charges. 4) It's a universal component. People can view your application on windows, mac or the right phone without worrying about CSS and JS issues, etc... Not quite. There are a number of platforms that support browsers that the Flash player is not available for. Additionally, some platforms that are supported have limitations that others do not. Well universal was quoted for a reason. But nothing is perfect. Any app will need tweaks, etc... -t __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Well sometimes CF developers have to adapt. They're out their learning CFCs and other new CFMX functionality right now. I trust that if they need too, they'll be smart enough to learn some Flash too. I disagree about your last point. If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie is equal to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two functions on your site and you're then passing less data than you would via HTML. That's the simplified version of how it works. I doubt Talkers really cares more about it than that, unless they're actually building an app. Then it's worth it to go into the specifics. t P.S. your site is down ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? Compared to Flash 5. Well that doesn't have very much appeal for ColdFusion people without Flash experience. Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would put the quote in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it to a Flash piece, only that changed. Saved around $400 million for them in bandwidth charges. That is just one example. While I am sure you or others can think of other examples like that one -- I certainly can -- the example is just using a Flash piece embedded in an html page. MM has proposed doing away with html entirely for a Flash front-end. In those cases I don't see the bandwidth reduction at all. -Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I heard 400 from someone. It seemed like a lot. I like 4. Thanks, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would put the quote in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it to a Flash piece, only that changed. Saved around $400 million for them in bandwidth charges. In the Macromedia seminar I attended last week, Mike Downey said Etrade saves about $4 million per year. Tom __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Fine Matt, I'm right, you're wrong. We'll all deal with it. Imagine a e-commerce site in Flash and in HTML. A user comes in and compares multiple products, over and over again because they can't make up their mind and because they don't care about how much data they take in. In Flash, with every product page load the Flash player calls for a gets the product description and a jpg. In HTML each click loads a whole page, header - footer and all. Over and over again. In THIS case I see Flash taking less bandwidth. App #2 - a rich app with video and bells and whistles. You already know you're going to be spending bandwidth. You pretty much have to use Flash to do it nicely, or use Quicktime or something else less elegant. But you're using video and you know it, so you have different bandwidth concerns already. Flash applications add possibilities. One is saving bandwidth, another is using bandwidth. Depends on each individual application. I think everyone is done hearing me say the same thing for the third time. The thing is I, like you, like to have a final word from time to time. We'll all wait for your response to finish this. I'm going to go to the baseball game, drink $1 beers, go home and pass out. Cheers, t -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda? If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie is equal to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two functions on your site and you're then passing less data than you would via HTML. That's the simplified version of how it works. I doubt Talkers really cares more about it than that, unless they're actually building an app. Then it's worth it to go into the specifics. You are making assumptions. Flash gives you the ability to do things you couldn't do before in html, which could required higher bandwidth than the equivalent application using html. While the extra bandwidth may be worth it for a better experience, the extra bandwidth is still there. Flash applications do not inherently save bandwidth. -Matt __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Charting Software
If you're willing to upgrade to CF 5 for graphing, then consider going to CFMX for charting with the CFCHART tag. It can do some pretty amazing things, here is an implementation of it we made http://www.subaruprimalquest.com/analysis If you dig around that section including the team and course analysis sections you can see a few ways we used CFCHART with more than one data set, a previous limitation of cfgraph. Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Charting Software Hello - A client has asked that we provide different types of charts for existing reports in our application. In your opinion/experience, what is a good chart producing software package compatible with coldfusion? I would like to compile a list of about 3 - 5 software packages. We have a couple ideas that were kicked around but I like to get other points of view before continuing. 1) Upgrade to CF 5.0 and use CF graphing capabilities 2) Popcharts 3) Crystal reports Thanks for your input. Casey Cook __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flashcom and Firewalls
Hi Stacy, If your Flash Comm server is on a separate box, that doesn't have a webserver on it, move the Flash Comm RTMP service to port 80 and access it like this rtmp:80/your_app - I'm pretty sure the port def goes on the left there like that. All the stuff I've been reading is at home today, so I don't have it in front of me. That is assuming 80 is open on your firewall, or move it to any other port that is open on your firewall and you're not using on the server, so your Flash Comm Server can then use it. That's about the only thing I can think of at this point. HTH, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flashcom and Firewalls Can anyone suggest a strategy for Flash Com projects and Firewalls? Internally we can't use squat due to additional ports required by the Flash player to use Flash Com components. MM's Executive overview is a good example...it'll startup but stop when the video is about to commence...with no notification as to why it's not playing...just sits there dead...leaving the user wondering what the heck's going on. Cheers, Stace AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Speaking of double quotes
Hey Tyler, Don't remove your cfqueryparams. Add a preserveSingleQuotes() call. cfqueryparam value=#preserveSingleQuotes(trim(FORM.myVar))# maxlength=35 cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR HTH, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tyler Silcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Speaking of double quotes Since upgrading to CFMX, cfqueryparam is transmuting all my single quotes into double quotes when inserting a string into the db. Is this a bug, or something else? (i.e.: is it my fault?) Right now, it looks like I have to go through and remove all of the cfqueryparam's I've been using over the last several months...not fun- Tyler Silcox email | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Slashdot/cfc
Hey Timothy, It's a good 12 hours after your last post, but I just want to mention that we've got also got a method that does what you're looking for. It might save you a bit of work. Try the getQueryNews method instead of getXMLnews on http://webservices.isitedesign.com/WS/slashdotNews.cfc?wsdl It has a return type of query instead of returning the raw XML. Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Slashdot/cfc
We've already got a slashdot cfc up and running for people. We've got the 30 minute variable accounted for too. http://webservices.isitedesign.com/ Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ISITE Design, Inc. 615 SW Broadway Ste. 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 ext. 111 http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Slashdot/cfc oi chatters SlashDot has a cfc that you can use, but on their faq they request that their xml file be hit only once every 30 minutes. So what would be a decent way to go about it? I was thinking cfhttp'ing the cfc, writing to a file. (if it's not there) then checking the date modified on that file, if it's greater than 30. grab fresh copy?? then handle parsing from the local file? any other suggestions? -- Best regards, Critter, MMCP Certified ColdFusion Developer Crit[s2k] - CF_ChannelOp Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
