RE: Shopping Cart Recommendations
Strictly CF? ZenCart is a popular and free PHP shopping cart. It supports Authorize.net and Paypal out of the box and it specifically has an abstracted templating system. The CF shopping carts I have bookmarked are: AbleCommerce, $1000 starting http://www.ablecommerce.com/ CFWebstore $300 starting http://www.cfwebstore.com/ CF-ezcart $175 starting http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ Netready $350 http://aloha-webdesign.com/index.asp?fuseaction=detailspid=19 QuillDesign QD Cart http://www.quilldesign.com/qdcart/index.cfm QuillDesign SiteDirector http://www.quilldesign.com/director/index.cfm Cartweaver $250 http://www.cartweaver.com/ ampleShop $800 starting http://www.amplecom.com/e-commerce-software-ColdFusion-MX.cfm CF Shopkart $179 starting http://www.cfshopkart.com/ QuickEStore $99 http://www.quickestore.com/ CF Merchant $475 http://www.oleani.com/products.cfm?pid=1 --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Shopping Cart Recommendations I am looking for a shopping cart recommendation. I am putting together a simple web site / store front for my wife and don't really have the time to write this myself. The biggest requirement is that it be customizable from a UI standpoint and preferably open source so that additional functionality could be added later. I have already tried quite a few different carts, and even paid for one, but I have yet to find one that is very easily re-skinned. Having to dig through the source code looking for every bit of display code does not count as re-skinnable to me. Other than that, just a general basic cart, probably that would talk with PayPal, is all that I am looking for. Any suggestions? Thanks -- Jeff ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237009 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: LAMP package
The XAMPP package that Rob mentioned has a Windows version and has MySQL 5. I'm not a server admin, but setting it up for a dev system took the time to run the installer then just a couple minutes to add some passwords. Here's the URL again. http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LAMP package I should have clarified that I'm on Windows so technically the subject line should have been WAMP package. My apologies for getting Joelle all worked up. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236622 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Copyright Attorney
I ran across it while researching carts last week and considering their pages describing their product are exactly your pages dropped into their site template, I clued in right away that they had just ripped off your site if not your cart. So it looks like you might have multiple things to go after them on. As for lawyers, in this state lawyers aren't technically limited to one specific area of law. So if the bar gives them a license, they can practice any law. But in practicality, they do have their areas of personal expertise. So be aware that while a lawyer may tell you that they can take a copyright case, it may not be their specialty. Good luck. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT: Copyright Attorney Did you sell the source as is? If so and if they've altered the program enough, it's not illegal to resell it. My license states that no source code can be used to create a competing application. Don't get me wrong, I think you should definitely pursue this, but after a certain percentage of changes have been made, it's not considered the same source anymore. If it's been altered, I'm sure it's only so it's not recognizable on the surface. Considering the feature set, and considering these companies are advertising that feature set, it can't be altered much. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations, Inc. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Web Based Solutions / eCommerce Development Hosting http://www.twcreations.com/ - http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ Toll Free: 877.207.6397 - Local Int'l Phone/Fax: 386.789.0968 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:235198 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RSS site like fullasagoog.com
Feed Aggregation is becoming an entire business niche. - The most popular open source aggregator is Planet:Planet. But it's Python. - There are a number of plugins for the various popular blog engines for the smaller scale needs. But nothing CF there. - Then there's the big business aggregators like NewsGator that offer both online aggregators or Enterprise installs and Private Label customized options. Their enterprise version is .NET but appears to have an API and webservices for integrating into intranet portals and such. Not much to get you started in CF, unfortunately. As for implementations for keeping the feeds current, I've seen three approaches: 1. Scheduled polling like you mentioned. This is the easiest to do, but obviously it's a brute force approach that puts the most strain on all the resources involved. 2. User triggered retrieve and cache. When someone actually looks at the aggregator information for a particular content area, do a lookup at that point and then cache that for a period of time so that it's not updating for each user hit. This is similar to how many desktop aggregator tools work. 3. Webservice triggers in the blogs you poll. For instance, in the WordPress software there's a screen in the admin to add any webservices you want to notify of updates to the blog. This is the most elegant technically, but obviously only works with feeds that can notify a webservice of updates. And of course, there's the mix and blend of all the above. For instance, using method 2's user triggers to make sure that blogs being aggregated are actually of use to the viewer and then adding it to method 1's scheduled polling queue for a period of time. Here's a blog covering the Aggregation industry. http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/software/feed_aggregators/ Have fun! --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RSS site like fullasagoog.com Hey there, I'm considering attempting to build a similar site to fullasagoog.com. Basically, pull in feeds from many different blogs and sort them (DESC). I'm wondering if anyone has built something similar and would maybe have some suggestions on what to look out for. Also, I guess I'm not sure what the best approach would be. Pulling the feeds and storing into a database, then display and sort. Should I run a script every few minutes to check the feeds for new entries? And when the page is loaded, I would use some query caching so as not to . Having never done a whole lot with rss feeds other than simply displaying their contents... just trying to find the most efficiant way to go about. Thanks, -- Yves Arsenault Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend. --Martin Luther King, Jr. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234600 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Popular Open API's
MS SharePoint (with CF popular in intranets, this might be worth looking at) http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/spptsdk/html/spsintropltopic1_SV0116 2845.asp?frame=true http://www.csharphelp.com/archives4/archive602.html Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/002-1802109-3315269?node=3435361 --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Popular Open API's These are great examples of API's, but I was meaning more like the Flickr API, the Yahoo! and Google maps api's, and the Paypal api's, the more mainstream API's that you always hear so much about. But keep them coming, I want to hear about these as well. On 3/6/06, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S. Isaac Dealey wrote: JSON SOAP JDOM/Xalan/Xerces -- although you don't see much of these with CF java.util.Zip java.util.TimeZone don't forget the rest of core java. i expect they're darned popular. ICU4J (IBM's internationalization (i18n) project) well of course icu4j ;-) ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234522 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CSS UL IE help
You can zero out everything with:
* {margin: 0; padding: 0}
Then if you go look at C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\res\html.css you can
see what the defaults for Firefox are.
What I'm doing right now is creating an external stylesheet called
crossBrowserSizes.css where I dump those defaults, modified as desired.
Then I @import it into my site's stylesheet so I have a baseline to start
from.
What it doesn't fix is IE hasLayout bugs with the margin collapsing rules.
But I don't really know of anything that globally fixes that.
---
Kevin Graeme
Cooperative Extension Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-Extension
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CSS UL IE help
Thanks CSSandy (or is it CSSandra?). :)
This is uber-helpful. Just dump this in the top of all my css
definition files when I'm developing new sites, and I'm good to go?
Kind of a best practice?
Are you doing any CSS seminars at CFUnited?
Sandra Clark wrote:
Each browser has its own style sheet which sets (among
other things) default
margins and padding for each element. The best way I have
found to combat
this is to specifically zero out all margins and paddings
from all elements
first and explicitly set them up as necessary.
h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,p,ul,li,br,table,div,ol,a{
margin:0;
padding:0;
}
It involves a bit more work, but I have found it creates
more consistency
between browsers.
Sandra Clark
-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CSS UL IE help
I have a site I'm mocking up and am having some trouble
with padding in my
ul list looking different in IE and FF. Take a look at the
below URL
- the bottom green bulleted list looks great in FF, but has
way too much
padding in IE. Anyone know how to fix that? Either Google
can't find what
I'm looking for as far as answers go, or I'm not searching
for the right
terms.
Thanks for the help!
Ray
http://wwwcvwp.com/proulx/index.cfm
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RE: How to force download of linked text file on Mac
If you're talking about OS X, it doesn't rely on the resource fork anymore. Even as far back as at least 8.6, the Mac will translate from filename extensions to derive the filetype for most things justs fine. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to force download of linked text file on Mac On a mac, though, does the MIME type of octet-stream on the download do anything to the resource fork part of the file, and make it a non-standard txt file as far as the Mac OS is concerned? On 3/3/06, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry Johnson wrote: Using cfcontent, how can I craft a page that returns a text file to a Macintosh that forces a download, is saved as a txt file (.txt), contains extended ascii characters. cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=fname.txt cfcontent type=application/octet-stream Of course you are dependent on the browser to follow the RFC. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234143 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Getting data into Flash 8
In a lot of cases the drag/drop components for data integration in Flash actually require MORE work and code than doing it with code alone. The communitymx stuff is good to go through though! --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting data into Flash 8 MM didn't make it complex, you are making it complex, it ain't rocket science. They pretty much do have drag and drop components already built in, you can have remoting working in under 30 seconds or there is the data connector that's built in that can get data from a cfc or web service, again in under 30 seconds. http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm#view=sn10 6viewName=Exchange%20Search%20Detailsloc=en_usauthorid=6063 9501page=0scrollPos=0subcatid=0snid=sn106itemnumber=13ex tid=1011923catid=0 I suggest that you check out all the remoting tutorials at communitymx.com or specifically this one http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=ADF3B or asfusion.com has quite a bit of info as well. ~Dave the disruptor~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233419 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A very specific message board/forum question...
As a general rule, yes. Providing HTML editing in any publicly accessible part of a web app is one of those bad things you typically want to avoid. Here's just one example of why: http://www.betanews.com/article/CrossSite_Scripting_Worm_Hits_MySpace/112923 2391 --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension So should all html be treated as bad and block it? HTML editors cause a couple of problems: #1 - you can break the HTML. #2 - you can PASTE IN any html you want into tinyMCE.. you'd have to parse out the tags you don't want.. and it could still be broken html. #3 - wysiwyg html editors are slow loading, evne at their most basic. #4 - wysiwyg html editors very browser dependent. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233220 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A very specific message board/forum question...
-Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think anyone necessarily wants a phpBB clone, but we want all the features that phpBB has. Rick Or at least the option to have the features to turn off. ;-) --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233127 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Google indexing
Where the link shows up in Google's results is based on the PageRank. Higher pagerank = better listing. PageRank is calculated using various and ever changing means. One of the most significant is the links in to your site from other sites, since the actual goal of Google is to track how everything is related to each other. But Google has gotten good at filtering out link swapping and other means to artifically influence the score. Similarly, Google ignores the Keyword meta tags now because of people abusing them to get high scores. The things you can reliably do to ensure a good score are have the text that is being matched in the following locations: - h1 - First paragraph after h1 - title - url (typically in the filename) Additionally, when people link to your site, or for links within your own site, make the text of the link be the key search term, especially for in-context links (as opposed to nav bars). So if someone is searching for Bob Guiney photos: a href=photos.htmlBob Guiney's photo gallery/a is probably better than Bob Guiney's photo a href=gallery.htmlgallery/a But the rules keep shifting around. As for getting stuff that has been indexed by Google already off the Google listings: http://www.google.com/webmasters/remove.html#uncache --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Google indexing Okay... do a google search for bob guiney http://www.google.com/search?q=bob+guiney His site (which I built) is the first link.. which is good. And google also lists direct links to a couple of subpages.. BGB Imagery, Bob Guiney's Online Diary, Music, etc. How does google decide what to put up there? Click popularity? Of course they can't tell when you click on something, so maybe link popularity? Anyway, I didn't notice that google was doing this until just now when Bob asked me if we c ould axe the diary link from google. My initial idea is to just use a robots.txt file to prevent the diary from even being indexed.. clearly that would solve the problem, but is it the best solution? (vent: why doesn't Mozilla Thunderbird's built in spell checker know how to spell Mozilla and Thunderbird?) Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233013 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion
We have a Google Mini here and generally like it. There's a really good reference here: http://code.google.com/gsa_apis/xml_reference.html [quote] A Google search request is a simple HTTP request to the Google search engine. The search request format and options available are detailed in the Request Format section. The search results are returned in the output format specified in the search request. Currently, Google supports output results in XML and HTML format. XML formatted results give you the power to customize the display of the results through the implementation of a custom XML parser. The HTML results can be customized through the application of an XSL stylesheet to the standard XML results. [/quote] One of the things I learned from that is that while the public Google search ignores the meta keywords by default, with a properly formatted search string you can tell it to not only use keywords but how to match specific meta tags. So if you have a good meta tag scheme, you can design interfaces that do custom searches on your site that target specific pages more accurately than just content text. http://code.google.com/gsa_apis/xml_reference.html#request_meta --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Google search appliance and Cold Fusion Does anyone have any experience/recomendations/lessons learned about integrating a Google search appliance into a Cold Fusion server environment serving dozens of sites and hundreds of thousands of pages? Thanks for any info, Jerry Johnson LawyersWeekly ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233018 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CSS Positioning
I know you asked for web sites, but the books Eric Meyer on CSS and More Eric Meyer on CSS are really good project tutorials that step you through various actual implementations of using CSS. Most sites I see cover the concepts but don't take you through the learning process of implementing them. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: CSS Positioning I want to play around with using CSS instead of using tables to position things. Does anyone have some sites that they use as an example of this that I can go off of. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232325 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Log analyzer software.
Just to be the guy that bucks the trend, we use Urchin and it's quite nice. Haven't tried SmarterStats to compare it too but we used to use WebTrends and you couldn't pay me to use that again. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Log analyzer software. Thanks to all that have helped. Looks like SmarterStats is a go. :) Also, from what I hear, their mail software, SmarterMail is pretty good as well. Thanks, Che. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:231595 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Doctype
Here's a decent intro article. http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/ --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Doctype I'm confused as to how the doctype affects css. I have some tools I made and wanted to plug them into Lighthouse Pro and the doctype on lighthouse pro is strict. So when I put my tools into it, the rendered differently than they did under a different doctype. Where do I go to learn more about the differences. I understand what it is, just not what I'm supposed to do to make it look correct. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:231243 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Who is using a large scale CMS?
Dave, I know Fig Leaf works a lot with CommonSpot. Do you consider it a large scale CMS? It's a vague term, so the interpretation of it is going to vary widely. When I think of large scale, what comes to mind is Documentum or Interwoven or OracleECM. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Who is using a large scale CMS? I think Voice of America is using CommonSpot (ask someone from FigLeaf) Yes, this is correct. http://www.figleaf.com/Showcase/CaseStudies/voa.cfm http://www.voanews.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230604 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: My Politics
Ha! You dork. Posting to the wrong group. Before people jump all over this, it was meant for cf-community. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: My Politics So, Larry laid out his beliefs, and I figured I would try and do the same. Overall Beliefs [Blah, blah, blah] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: eGovernment and Wiki's --- anyone making Wiki's with CF?
The way I think of it is that most CMS are designed around the idea of structured, categorized content. A wiki tends to be more pure hypertext in that it's not so much categorized as cross-linked. Those are really broad oversimplifications, and a CMS can certainly be designed to be wiki-like but a wiki can't be anything but a wiki. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension I really don't see how this differs from any other public or semi-private CMS system, which employs access control among a group of users. I build this type all the time. I guess a CMS by any other name is still just a CMS... Is it just in how wiki's are built that distinguishes them? (I guess I just need to spend some time working on a wiki...) Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: eGovernment and Wiki's --- anyone making Wiki's with CF?
I've been looking at wiki for edu/gov sites here too. Wikis have been around for a long time, and the Wikipedia with the open editing is just one implementation. They don't have to be completely open editable, most do come with access control features. Your question though about building them in CF? is a bit vague. Are you thinking of developing a wiki app in CF or are you wanting to build a wiki site and you are wondering if there's already a wiki app built for CF? If you're asking as an app developer about building a wiki app using the CF language, I'd say go for it! Brian Shearer has a cfwiki project that he started a few years ago and Reinout Korbee did a variant on it, but there's certainly room for more choices. http://www.cdsi-solutions.com/cfwiki/ If you're a site developer looking for a Wiki solution, there's unfortunately a dearth of robust CF options. I'd say look at all the options regardless of language and pick the one that works best for your end product needs. Here's one comparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: eGovernment and Wiki's --- anyone making Wiki's with CF? Hi, all... I just read an article which states the following: E-government researchers have suggested that collaborative Wiki software may be the best avenue for getting public information to the citizenry. I've been considering ways to develop CF apps which might be used to help our local government get info out to the community. Is the Wiki approach a good idea, and if so, can these apps be developed easily with CF? I have little experience with wiki's...I've did have a look at wikopedia, or whatever it's called. I'm not too impressed with the idea of just any person being able to edit content. Who's would oversee such entries? Anyway...what is everyone's thoughts on wiki's and building them in CF? Thanks for the input... Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229218 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: eGovernment and Wiki's --- anyone making Wiki's with CF?
I'd be interested in a link to the article. I don't know what they meant either, though it might parallel some things I've been considering. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: eGovernment and Wiki's --- anyone making Wiki's with CF? Hi, Kevin... It's good to know that wiki's do have various levels of content control. It certainly seems to me that for any information to be deemed reliable, it would have to come from a pool of persons with reliable knowledge, not just any person out in the wild blue yonder. Perhaps, to a degreee, that's what the eGovernment study group was recommending... Thanks for the advice... Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229248 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Multiple IIS sites on Windows XP
Just want to say thanks for the original link. It helps with some things I've been playing with in testing different site/server things. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Multiple IIS sites on Windows XP Well it's just a shame that some idiots have to take such simple posts off topic for the sake of starting a flame. Snake ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228464 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Displaying a Javascript menu in front of a SWF file
The problem is that by default Flash effectively has an infinite z-axis on the page. IIRC, it has to do with the way embedded content gets rendered to the page. A common fix is to set the embedded item to have wmode=transparent. See if that helps. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Terry Troxel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Displaying a Javascript menu in front of a SWF file I am dynamically writing static pages as well as the menu and One of the pages calls several SWF (shockwave) files and I cannot Figure how to make the submenu slideouts display above the SWF's. Sure would appreacite any help. Terry Troxel ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227158 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Sharepoint
We've looked at it a little bit here too, so I'd be interested too in any CF integration thoughts. I'm guessing they're pretty slim and probably things like using CF with webservice interfaces behind the scenes with ASP frontend widget in Sharepoint talking to the webservices. In a sharepoint article I read, it said that MS runs 60,000 or so Sharepoint servers. It sounds like they don't use a single portal server for their organization, but instead run individual instances for teams, clients, products, or whatever. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Sharepoint I will say that SP is pretty cool for quick dirty intranets and posting documents. It really benefits those that are not to be bothered with using FrontPage or Contribute. It does have a cool survey system built-in. It's not perfect, but it keeps us from having to write custom surveys in CF. However, I do not believe SP to be the portal for our university as it was told to be. (The previous IT leader was a huge MS fan and SP was the bee's knees.) I would prefer to build a custom portal in CF, but if there are parts that I don't want to build, such as the surveys, I will leave them for SP. We are running it on a separate server, so I can't really say if it commandeers a server from other applications. I do know that FrontPage server extensions appear to be based off of SP. (You can see this in the IIS manager for a server that has FP extensions installed.) M!ke -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Sharepoint I meant to do all that I had very roughly outlined in my question. I was led to believe that by another CFM developer who just so happens to have experience with Sharepoint as well. I can not seem to find many people who even know what Sharepoint is let alone who have used it which also makes me relunctant to use it. It certainly seems to be a very powerful tool with a lot of capabilities and is free if you have Windows 2003 but if it is all that then I keep asking myself why can't I seem to find much more than a small handful of people who know what it is let alone use it. This is what I had sent to him and his response was that he knows it does all of it with the exception of the notifier but bet it could be done just that he had never had to do it so did not know. - Repository for scanned and typed documents as well as a reference to where the master printed document is stored. - Security levels set to what group or individual documents can be seen by what people - Possibly the searching of document content - Revision tracking, maybe via different documents but maybe a change log where people key in the comments in a textarea - Tracking of who has looked at the documents online as well as who has pulled up the master location since this implies they pulled the master. - Email notifiers which could be when a document is about to expire or could be something else - All sorts of Forms for things to be key'd in and stored such as when a product is recieved what type of product it is and how many line items it has so a form with text inputs and a grid input to allow multiple line items and being able to relate key'd in information to a document - Eventually maybe tie into some sort of bar coding system, but I would imagine this system would be a seperate program with its own tables and need to be linked in somehow for reporting or searching needs. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227094 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript
Sandy, You and I read the 508 differently with respect to whether it requires a page to function without javascript. I defer to the government's own document interpreting the requirement and giving examples of problem situations and workarounds: http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/guide/1194.22.htm#(l) It doesn't say that the page must work with javascript disabled, instead it talks about how javascript is beneficial to many government sites but that some ways in which it is implemented that can cause problems. As I'm sure you know, 508 was specifically created because the WAI rules were too convoluted and restrictive. On the up side, 508 doesn't specifically require the page to function without javascript. On the flip side though, because it's not a clear cut yes/no to javascript it's hard to agree on what is and isn't compliant because it requires so much subjective interpretation. For the point of this discussion though I agree with you that it does seem that using AJAX in .gov/.edu can be a problem, which is very unfortunate. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Thoughts on Requiring Javascript Section 508 has two paragraphs that can be construed with this in mind for DHTML /Javascript (d) Documents shall be organized so they are readable without requiring an associated style sheet. (l) When pages utilize scripting languages to display content, or to create interface elements, the information provided by the script shall be identified with functional text that can be read by assistive technology. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:221212 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: FTPS? (was RE: SFTP?)
Thanks. That fits with what I already knew. Based both my own experience and yours regarding using SFTP over FTPS, it makes me wonder why whenever there's a request for FTP servers recommendation thread that it only includes servers that use FTPS. Do most people just not use the security? I haven't seen many private vendors requiring either FTPS or SFTP whereas here it's policy. I've been looking for an easy to administer server for home, but I want secured transfers so this interest isn't just academic. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTPS? (was RE: SFTP?) FTPS is a file transport layer on top of SSL or TLS. There are number of options available with it and this can cause problems: SSL v2 or v3 or TLS, implicit connection, passive transfers, etc. In my experience it can be quite tricky to get the options all working correctly on both the server and client if you have a firewall or two in the middle, I spent quite some time this past summer trying to get a series of servers working and ultimately gave up. One of the problems that I see with FTPS is that there are several fall-back options usually available (sometimes required) which drop communications back to an unsecured channel, which defeats the purpose. SFTP is a file transport layer on top of SSH, a protocol for creating secure shell logins. It is IMHO the most secure way of doing transfers and is easiest to use from a network management point of view because it all runs on one port (#22) and there are no drop back to unsecured transfers capabilities. Whether my experiences with FTPS were actual problems or just my lack of knowledge I can't say, I just got frustrated after trying several server-client combinations and gave up in favor of SSH which was pretty much install-and-go. FYI there are both free SSH servers (OpenSSH on UNIX/Linux/BSD/MacOSX and FreeSSHd on Windows) and clients (oodles on UNIX, CoreFTP on Windows) available. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220797 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: FTPS? (was RE: SFTP?)
Related to this, can someone point me to a comparison of the two? I understand that SFTP is SSH file transfer and FTPS is FTP with SSL, but what are the tradeoffs between them if any? In my experience it seems that unix administrators seem inclined to use SFTP while most easy to administer FTP server packages running on Windows use FTPS. From a practical perspective, most client tools I see use sftp, including Dreamweaver and Contribute, which makes me shy away from picking a server that uses FTPS even if it is easy to administer. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Chris Terrebonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: FTPS? (was RE: SFTP?) Actually, I had my acronym backwards (which apparently makes a HUGE difference :). I am really looking for FTPS ability (FTP over SSL). Sorry for the confusion. Any idea where I can find a CF resource for that protocol? Thanks again, Chris ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220661 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: I love CSS :-)
Congrats! There's a lot to love about CSS. There's also a LOT to make you tear your hair out. If you haven't seen it yet and are looking for a discussion list like this one but for CSS, I highly recommend http://www.css-discuss.org/ . --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: I love CSS :-) I must say that I simply love CSS. Being able to pixel-perfectly position things, adjust font styles, etc, its all marvelous! -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216194 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Here's a brief overview of the new features: http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/features/ Some developer related things are: - Background file transfer - Coding toolbar including comment/uncomment - Code collapse - Compare files. - Support of PHP5 - Updated reference material for XML, XSLT and XPATH. Presumeably they'll have trial versions and you can see if the new features work for you or not. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ? None by the looks of it... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214036 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Studio 8 announced
If you haven't seen it, Macromedia has announced Studio 8. http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/ Dreamweaver 8 has some nice new features including better CSS support. It also have some support for XSLT development. Flash 8 is mostly video/graphics updates, but one of the cool things for developers is a built-in mobile device emulator. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214001 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Flash Player 8? It's already available though not linked on the main Flash download page yet. Here's one place to get it. http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/ --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms go fast too? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214011 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Google Web Accelerator problems
-Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten If users actually use Web Accellerator, Google has an even better indicator of page quality then the number of links to it: the number of hits and the time spend on a page. That is criucial information for a Trustrank. And if they become the domnant technology for that, they can hide a significant number of hits for the competition. Related to this, Google recently purchased the web stats company Urchin which offers hosted stats service. It's a direct line into the analytics of sites. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206363 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Any commercial CF products that could do this?
Ouch. If this is for doctors, you may also run afoul of HIPPA restrictions. http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/ --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I mean, they're talking about using Yahoo! Groups...because it's free...Seriously...Yahoo! Groups. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204919 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech Users Beware
-Original Message- From: Jim Davis remember that CF was never designed to be hosted in a shared environment, period. I want to thank Sean, and others, for pointing out the technical details of why this limitation exists. As someone who doesn't delve into the underpinnings, it's interesting to know what contributes to some of the engineering tradeoffs. Like Connie, I would like for this to not be an issue. I think Jim's comment above though is the bottom line. Thanks all. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204431 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: translating websites
Here's the second link that works. Sorry 'bout that. Spain asks EU to include Spanish dialects as official working languages http://tinyurl.com/93992 --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: translating websites http://www.babylon-idiomas.com/eng/htm/resources-spanish-dialects.htm http://www.euroresidentes.com/Blogs/2004/12/spain-asks-eu-to-i nclude-spanish ..htm The second link could be relevant to people doing sites in the EU. Also, WorldLingo's automated translation offers both Spainish and Mexican Spanish as well as US English and UK English and Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:204015 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: MetaData Tags
No wonder you're confused. That's a really horrible blog entry. Try these: http://www.google.com/search?q=folksonomies We're giving them some thought here instead of or in parallel to a defined taxonomy. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MetaData Tags Ooops, sorry, I'm talking about this http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/04/20.html#a1219 Not meta tags, meta data tags. :-) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203840 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: translating websites
While others have mentioned doing actual human translated documents and storing them in a logical manner, if you are limited to machine translation here are a couple resources: AltaVista Babel Fish (free. integrated on your site) http://www.altavista.com/help/free/free_searchbox_transl Systran Offers annual subscriptions with varying levels of features. Prices start at $450/year for 1 European language and includes their logo and banner, 50,000 translations/year and that's it. For $810/year, you get more translations/year and 50 custom terms. For a lot more money you get all 11 languages, to remove their banner, and more translations/year. http://www.systransoft.com/products/online_services/systranlinks.html WorldLingo For just Spanish it starts at $40/month. That includes 1000 translations a month with 500 words/translation, a bar with their logo and translated pages opening in a frameset with their banner ad. They nickle and dime for features like removing their logo, upping the amount of words/translation, and things like in their advanced settings there's an extra $15 charge for javascript support which still requires some effort to make it work. http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products/instant_website_translator.html --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Coleman, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: translating websites I don't know if CF has any native way to do this, but the company I work for is looking for a way to translate the website to Spanish. Surely you wouldn't have to do a page for page translation? If anyone has worked with doing this sort of stuff, let me know. Thanks, Brian ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203844 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Site (not Server) - wide Error Handler
And of course, you can have different .cfm error handlers for the two types of errors if you like. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Site (not Server) - wide Error Handler Thanks, That's exactly what I needed! Much appreciated -Original Message- From: Ryan Duckworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Site (not Server) - wide Error Handler In Application.cfm: cferror type=EXCEPTION template= errorHandler.cfm cferror type=REQUEST template= errorHandler.cfm In errorHandler.cfm: cfmail from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=[ERROR] - SiteName type=HTML h3ERROR/h3 cfdump var=#ERROR# h3CGI/h3 cfdump var=#cgi# h3FORM/h3 cfdump var=#form# cfif isdefined(session) h3SESSION/h3 cfdump var=#session# /cfif /cfmail cfinclude template=header.cfm h3 align=centerA possible error has been detected and reported to the administrator./h3 cfinclude template=footer.cfm Note: you need both the Exception and Request... The Request will catch things the exception does not. Ryan Duckworth Macromedia ColdFusion Certified Professional Uhlig Communications 10983 Granada Lane Overland Park, KS 66211 (913) 754-4272 - Original Message - From: Adkins, Randy To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Site (not Server) - wide Error Handler What's the best approach to using a site-wide (not server-wide) error handler as apposed to wrapping each piece with a CFTRY? An initial thought is some type of CFTRY statement within the Application tag, but wanted other opinions and approaches. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203692 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized back in the mid-90's. As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and others have become accomplished coders. I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and offensive. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even understand the concept of a web server. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203538 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
John didn't say most designers aren't coders. I wouldn't have had a problem with that. But John said, Most don't even understand the concept of a web server. As a designer, I called bullshit. Designers made the web mainstream. ColdFusion appeals to many designers because of its tag-based roots. When doing web sites, the lines between designer and coder can quickly become blurred and I'm glad that a language like ColdFusion exists to make those distinctions even blurrier. Design isn't just about making pretty pictures. Design is much more often about communication. Clearly presenting information. And CF is an approachable tool for facilitating communication. Along these lines, I see great potential for purchase of Macromedia by Adobe. For the last several years, Adobe has been moving into the areas of presentation of XML content, content management, document management, collaborative editing, etc. leveraging J2EE. They have enterprise server-side tools as well as the traditional desktop design tools that everyone is familiar with. Coder vs. Designer? It's all about communication. And designers are tech savvier than people here probably think. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: macromedia and Adobe?! John is right. Graphic designers by _definition_ are not programmers. Thats why they have a different title. And the _vast_ majority of people who use dreamweaver are graphic designers who can't even write HTML. Thats why there is a WYSIWYG and why it's so popular. Again, thats not to say someone cant be skilled in both areas, but considering the vast amount of knowledge it requires to be a master of either, there are many highly skilled graphic designers (that I have worked with) who can only create HTML with a WYSIWYG. Because coding isn't important to a focused graphic designer. Plus not all graphic designers design for the web. Most paid design work is still in print and other media. John is right in making an 'assumption' (not slander, not a slur) that the majority of graphic designers are not coders. -Adam ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203561 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia and Adobe?!
That's exactly how I got into CF. I'm not a programmer. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! Another plus for CF is that all of the graphic designers out there now have an easy-to-learn product that they can use to make their websites better. CF may catch on for the little guy even more who isn't a programmer but wants to use cfinclude so his menu only has to exist in one file. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203376 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's your setup for multiple developers
Don't sweat it. We've actually taken your suggestion to heart and we're putting up a project whiteboard that's labeled Hey bob. People can write on it what they're working on and see what others are working on. We're also going to put it in the basement. Down the broken staircase. With the lights out. Guarded by an angry badger. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's your setup for multiple developers I know, i know... mea culpa. I'm quick to blame others of miscommunication but i'm the worst offender. What i was trying to explain is that source control isn't a replacement for team communications. If you often find yourself fighting for control of the same file with one or more other developers then you need to look at root causes - no software out there can help you until you do. My example was a little light hearted: of course i don't expect people to check every action on every file with every other developer as and when they need access to that file. Rather, i would hope that code has a modicum of logical structure into modules of some kind, and that developers can plan their tasks ahead of time in enough detail to know which modules they will be accessing. It's less a case of hands off file x and more a matter of i need to change something in the database access layer. bob said he was working in there today. i'd better ask him first. If you continuously find yourself having problems with multiple developers overwriting each other's changes, then you need to apply some structure before you can apply some software. my apologies for any misunderstanding. /t -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What's your setup for multiple developers On 4/14/05, RADEMAKERS Tanguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's basically how we've worked except for the source control. The hey bob part just doesn't work though. How many developers do you have? Tens? Hundreds? a) If you can't coordinate work between multiple developers then you have bigger problems than version control. To wit: Claiming that a team is dysfunctional because they don't ask each other every single time they want to edit a file is ridiculous! If developers are being productive, working through bugbase issues, they're going to be touching a lot of files in the course of a day. Having them physically ask everyone for every single file is just silly! All that noise and that many interruptions?? Your hey bob idea would only work for a very small number of developers who all sit in one room, close enough to each other that they could overhear everything that is said. And assumes that if they're deeply involved trying to figure out a bug, they don't mind someone interrrupting them every few minutes asking if they're editing some file... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202836 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's your setup for multiple developers
-Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Every developer has Developer Edition locally and a full version of the site. Out of curiosity, how do you manage that? It seems untenable in our environment. We have over 50,000 pages, LDAP secured sections (but they've disabled cfldap and require us to use a cfc), areas with limited permissions to various groups, tons of sandboxes, a completely separate server area/docs path structure for SSL, etc. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202573 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's your setup for multiple developers
If the IDE gets in the way of a certain workflow or isn't compatible with tools such as CVS, then it's very pertinent. I too use DW. Have since it was introduced. But we're having problems getting it to work well for the coders in our environment. If people say that they tried and it didn't work for them either, then that's useful information for me. If they have a solution to make it work in a mixed-tool environment, that's even better. Yes, I've been around for the many DW flamewars. But discussing the merits of tools as they relate to a setup for multiple developers seems very on-topic. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What's your setup for multiple developers Do we really need to start this thread yet again?!?! I personally dont care what IDE you use. I use DW without a problem, because as I've said before its skill that make the developer, not the IDE. -Adam ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202579 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's your setup for multiple developers
Ugh. Now it's devolved. So to get back on topic: How can I safely work in a multi-developer with Dreamweaver and other coding tools? Either without a local development server, or with one that can't match the actual server config (including sandboxes, server rewrites, and required CFCs)? --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's your setup for multiple developers No they're not -- they're mostly arguments about which is better, a power screwdriver or a plain old hand tool. More accurately, two power screwdrivers with different features and capabilities. My point is that a Stanley and a Craftsman are the SAME tool - different brand. Neither have added functionality. Different IDE's have infinite differences in anything from memory usage to stability to added RAD-enabling utilities to wizards... --Ferg -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's your setup for multiple developers Many of these arguments are like which tools is better, a Stanley screwdriver or a Craftsman? They both do the same thing. It comes down to a personal feeling of warm and fuzziness. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202630 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's your setup for multiple developers
-Original Message- From: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's your setup for multiple developers Carefully? All joking aside: - set up one dev server - set up one source control server - check the code from the source control server out onto the development server. - everyone works on the same dev server. yes, you will need to take care that two people don't edit the same file at the same time. a neat trick i like to use is to say bob, i'm editing file x so keep your grubby little paws off it! or to ask bob, charlie, can i edit file y?. - (optional) setup a little script on the dev server to check in the code. schedule this script to run every x hours. - whenever you are happy with the code (it is in a known state), do a manual check in and apply a tag. That's basically how we've worked except for the source control. The hey bob part just doesn't work though. Note that, to the best of my understanding, dream weaver has a rudimentary mechanism for locking files (based on some sort of temp file created on the server) - but that only works if everyone uses dream weaver. Also to the best of my understanding, VSS can be set up to provide protected editing (editing user locks the file) of a web site - but that only works if every one has a vss aware editor. I'm quite familiar with how DW's system works. We just want to use other tools too and still not overwrite each other. And VSS is out since our server guys are anti-MS. Ah well. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202685 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Page Breaks
Keep us posted. I shelved a project because of these kinds of limitations. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension -Original Message- From: Greg Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Page Breaks Just downloaded the report builder, going to check it out now. Connie DeCinko wrote: You should be able to do this in the CFMX7 Report Builder. I recall an option that is similar to the Access report writer, it lets you chose to keep certain groups together. -Original Message- From: Greg Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Page Breaks I am generating a PDF file that has multiple sections. What I want is that if multiple sections can compltely fit on one page of the PDF that it will let them, but if part of a section is going to wrap to the next page, then the section is forced to the next page. Since the content vastly changes the length of each section, I need it to do this automaticaly since I can never be sure from one report to another where they will be needed. Thanks Greg ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202167 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???
Uh oh. Time to talk to our server admins. We've got a lot of that too. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Dov Katz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet??? I Stand Corrected. My install *DOES* have a problem with CFLOCATION, however it seems that the problem exists only when the file has nothing but a CFLOCATION in it... Example, I have some legacy code which sits in FolderX on my site, for the sole purpose of doing a CFLOCATION url=../index.cfm?Fuseaction=FolderX This no longer works after the patch (didn't catch it since its an obscure area of the site) I am running MX6.1 + w2K server with all the latest patches. I have CFLOCATIONS Peppered throughout other areas of the site and it works just fine. The following file (go.cfm) does not work: cflocation url=http://www.cnn.com; Neither does wrapping it in CFIF true/cfif in case presence of other code impacted the situation. HOWEVER, adding content to the page prior to the cflocation (obviously assuming you dont cfflush) *DOES* work. The below code works: !--- go3.cfm --- TESTING cflocation url=http://www.cnn.com; Any ideas. Can someone ask MM to fix and post? -D I applied to Dev, QA, and Production servers, all without incident. IIS5/W2K Servers Thanks for the input... However our two environments differ enough to make me think that you may not be affected by the issue I'm experiencing anyway I installed the JRun updater which included this patch on a dev box today, no issues so far. Running a JRun cluster even too. Again, this looks like our environments are sufficiently different for the issue not to surface on your environment Just as a FYI. I've just applied the patch to a second server to make sure I wasn't going totally mad and I got the same issues. Any page that has a cflocation in fails to force the redirect and the client seems to either sit on the page it was on or returns a 'Document contains no data' error... Again I backed the patch out of the second server and everything comes back to life again... Other than the fact that the first server was Windows 2003 Standard and the second server was Windows 2003 Web Server, it's worth saying that these two servers share and identical configuration and security policy etc. That is to say all registry settings are the same, all IIS lockdown functions are the same.. Everything. To all intents and purposes these boxes are identical and therefore there must be something (a config setting) somewhere that is causing this behaviour with the CFMX patch and IIS 6. Needless to say, its annoying that I cannot apply this patch as the problems it is causing for me are far bigger than the problems that it addresses But I am affected by the issues that it solves so I would like to get to the bottom of it... If anyone has any suggestions then I'd love to hear them... Paul ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Table name - Singular or plural?
Yep. And because I don't want to get smacked upside the head by my lead developer and SQL guru. It's a good enough reason for me. -Kevin No offense, but who cares? Pick a style and use it. I don't think its worth arguing about for days on end. Everyone has their own style, as long as one is consistent no one else should really care. Mike ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200721 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Generating FlashPaper from PDF?
Is there a way to generate FlashPaper from PDF at the server? To make it easier, the app is a simple content repository that lets people upload their PDF so the conversion could take place once when saving the files instead of trying to do it dynamically on every output. To make it a little harder, this is on linux. --- Kevin Graeme Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of Wisconsin-Extension ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200573 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search and Replace DWMX 2004
The closest you might be able to get is to use the Synchronize function. Expand the Site view window and in the menu, select Site Synchronize. Be sure to make an offering of a sacrificial goat and have good backups first. -Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search and Replace DWMX 2004 All, I want to replace a datasource that's listed through many DWMX sites. I can do the search and get a list without any probelms. In fact, I can do the replace all and it will replace all the references for me. My question, the issue is how do I get the multiple files that have been changed locally up to the live site? These changes have taken place through the multiple levels below my webroot. Do I have to find the path for each and upload each file? How do I get the changed files from the local version of my site up to the live site quickly. My test search found 127 results. I don't want to manually find the path of 127 files to assure each file is uploaded. I can't upload the entire site, there is another developer that uses Homesite and I may overwrite their open pages. Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:199662 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for a good web based html editor
I recently mentioned it in a room with a product team from a big software company. I said it with a straight face and there was a flurry of flickering glances as they looked at each other to figure out if I actually said what they thought I said. From intial testing, it looks like the code generated by TinyMCE works better for us. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for a good web based html editor As stated previously, I don't like the name! I like not having to curse when talking about my editors! :) Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195738 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: (Admin) New feature question
Sounds like you're jumping on the folksonomy bandwagon. I'd recommend looking into tying it in with larger folksonomy systems like technocrati or del.icio.us. Googling for folksonomy will pull up a bucketload of links, mostly blog discussions. The basic idea is that it is an individualize, grassroots taxonomy labeling instead of an imposed taxonomy. Here's an academic article: http://www.adammathes.com/academic/computer-mediated-communication/folksonom ies.html I can't really say it's a good idea without knowing a) what the metrics of your web archive usage is compared to just email list use; and b) whether it's just something you think would be a cool feature or if there's a purpose to it like incentivizing a shift from the email lists to the web archive or tying into a meme community to drive traffic to your site. Damn. It's Monday morning and I've already used up my weekly buzzword quota. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) New feature question I'm adding in a new feature and wanted to hear what people thought about it and what should be added/altered. Basically, any subscriber to House of Fusion/Fusion Authority (not just to a specific list) can enter personal keywords in association to a piece of data. This means that if you like the FA article on CF 7 little notes (http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4399), then you can add a keyword to it like CF 7, CF 7 gotcha's, freitag or whatever else you want. If you like a thread on RegEx in CF-Talk or the RegEx list, you can label it as RegEx or the like. One question I have concerns threads vs. messages. Would you prefer to label an entire thread or a specific message (or both)? What do you think is missing here? Let me know what you think. Thanks ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195747 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: Apple releases security audit tools for OS X.
I apologize for the off-topic post, but I know several people here are using OS X for their development. I got this from another list: Apple has released Common Criteria Tools for Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server. Essentially, this is a set of standardized auditing tools that can be used to test and configure a system such that it conforms to an internationally recognized set of security standards and criteria. One major thing these tools bring to Mac OS X is a real auditing system, similar to that available on Solaris and other OSes, which could be of great interest to system administrators dealing with Mac OS X-based servers. Apple has also published a guide detailing how to use the tools, and how to set up a system to conform to Common Criteria specifications. http://www.apple.com/support/security/commoncriteria/ For more information on Common Criteria, see: http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/ Another useful, comprehensive Mac OS X security document is the NSA guide to securing Mac OS X: http://www.nsa.gov/snac/os/applemac/osx_client_final_v_1_1.pdf For other NSA guides, see: http://www.nsa.gov/snac/ -Kevin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195367 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Outlook and Coldfusion
Thanks. Redoing our calendars is a project that will probably come up in the next year and this could be helpful. -Kevin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Outlook and Coldfusion I'll now revise my answer to this. iCalendar (which is essentially vCal v2.0) is able to cope with all the complexities of scheduling and all the other Outlook goodies. I just wrote a few methods to deal with it. Export an Outlook appointment by forwarding it as iCalendar (from the ations menu of the open appointment) to see the format. Since I can hear Jochem saying (in Dutch, no doubt), Read the goddam RFC, here it is: http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 http://www.imc.org/rfc2445 and more info here: http://www.imc.org/pdi/ http://www.imc.org/pdi/ vCal is the standard format and cflib.org has a function for dealing with it, but in Outlook all the appointment stuff will be obscured inside MS' proprietary TNEF standard - I'd be surprised if this were easily reproducible. Check out the vCal standard. Also, if you create a meeting request in Outlook and send it to a non-Microsoft mail client, you might be able to view the headers and find the information that requests accepts/declines, etc. James Holmes Divisional Web Interface Development Coordinator Engineering, Science and Computing x4864 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195372 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I feel your pain Mike. I like to buy books at the used bookstore but MM changes things enough with each version that what seems like it should be simple stuff becomes frustrating. -Kevin -Original Message- For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195452 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks
Rick, Something you may want to consider is to have three instances of a site: dev, test, and production. Dev - where you break a site Test - where they look at a site while you're free to break the one on dev Production - the final site We used to have just a development site and a production site and it was common that we'd ask people to test the development site for us and we'd break it writing new code and they couldn't see it or they'd see things mid-transition. (I personally don't like the word production for the final site, but it seems like a common term.) -Kevin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks Ok...I see that Virtual Directories work just like I thought they should for websites that have domains pointing to the server already. However, I usually show my clients their websites as they're being developed by using a direct URL, such as http://66.xx.xx.138/cfdocs/website/index.cfm. That keeps it out of the public eye, yet gives the client access during the development process. Is there a way to do the same thing if I'm using directories not under the wwwroot? Perhaps, a main website with virtual subdirectories for the sites under development, such as www.MyMainWebsite.com/WebsiteUnderDevelopment ? I'll try that... Rick -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195251 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What do you use for project management?
We did that. It worked great for us for several years but it was very narrowly focused and not scalable. So when we needed it to grow it was either a complete rewrite or purchase something. We now use ProWorkflow. http://www.proworkflow.com -Kevin -Original Message- From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What do you use for project management? I'm amazed that no one has said we use a quick CF app that I knocked up in an afternoon. ColdFusion is a RAD tool, remember? :) That's what I did a few years back. It's not perfect but it does the job - tracking hours, tasks, support incidents and notes for each client. Of course, version 2 has been nearly four years in the planning stages... -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194795 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: DB Survey
We use XTG Data Modeller. A visual CASE tool for data structure modelling and documenting, reverse engineering and exploring databases. http://www.xtgsystems.com/xtgdm.php3 -Kevin -Original Message- From: Tiki Guy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 6:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: DB Survey Hi All, Just curious as to what applications people use when designing their DB's - Visio? Pen and Paper? Bueller? My current shop likes to wing it and frankly that's not so good. I'd like to recommend something a little more standardized, and if I can ascertain what might be considered an industry standard, my suggestion might carry more weight. I've always been a pen and paper guy, doing data dictionaries first and determing relationships before committing to the DB. I'd like soemthing though, that is a bit more portable (and readable) than my chicken scratch. ~Tikiguy ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191104 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Spammer fills out my order form - how to stop
Be aware that CAPTCHA techniques are not accessible and will prevent some valid users from using your site. Because of this, the W3C recommends against them (though they don't offer a viable alternative). It's also important to know that they are vulnerable to a sort of man in the middle attack, though the likelihood of a smaller site being targeted, and just for spam, is pretty low. It's a technique, just not a silver bullet. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Spammer fills out my order form - how to stop Hey Rick, It's called a CAPTCHA. Doug Hughes at www.alagad.com has a pretty cheap CFC that generates CAPTCHA images, or there's the low-fi way of doing it: premake 100 or so of your own in photoshop. -joe ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187359 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
The simplest way is to simply declare a proper doctype which switches IE to using the W3C box model. Be aware that the doctypes included in CF Studio/Homesite are not valid. A good article with valid doctypes is available here: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/doctype/ -Kevin -Original Message- From: Victor Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT moving to FireFox Interesting. So how are people coding for this? Determine the browser and then have two dimensions? I was wondering if M$ is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care. Thanks Barney Victor On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:46:13 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other browsers) gets it right. Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border, and margin). So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be. Or, if you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're used to. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:28:48 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Isaac, I have implemented the second part and it's working fine. I am working now on the first one. There is actually one function for all the events: document.onmouseout = ItemOut; document.onmousedown = ItemDown; document.onmouseup = ItemUp; Thanks again. Victor PS One more thing: Is there a difference in rendering between the two browsers? It seems that there is 5 pixel offset. Not a biggie but some items on the form are not aligned properly. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187369 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Why not just enable HTTP compression on the web server? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
My understanding is that there are two basic kinds of http compression. One creates a compressed cache file on the first request and the second time it's requested, the server send the compressed version. With dynamic compression, it does the compression on request. Add-in modules like mod_gzip for Apache are required for the dynamic compression. And if I understand gzip correctly, the extra spaces should be the easiest type of thing to compress. Server administrators may be concerned that mod_gzip will place a heavy burden on their systems as files are compressed on the fly. I argue against that, pointing out that this does not seem to concern the administrators of Slashdot, one of the busiest Web servers on the Internet, who use mod_gzip in their very high-traffic environment. http://webcompression.org/gzip-compress.html mod_gzip http://sourceforge.net/projects/mod-gzip/ HyperWeb http://www.ehyperspace.com/products/hyperweb.html But I'm not a server admin, so I'm just going on information that my server guy mentioned a while ago. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: (OT?) White space and search engines http compression on a dynamic page? Yes, it'll make the stream faster but the actual content is the same. Even with white space management turned on, CF has extra space that can't be removed by a web server based compression engine (at least not efficiently). If I'm wrong, please let me know as I have limited experience with webserver based compressors. _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (OT?) White space and search engines Why not just enable HTTP compression on the web server? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Oh. I glossed over the SEO aspect. I don't recall anything about better placement because of a single line. Erika would probably know though. -Kevin I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Flash Remoting
It's magic. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Flash Remoting Is Flash Remoting automatically loaded with CFMX 6.1? If so, why don't I have a flashservices/gateway folder anywhere? Cutter [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: isDefined Equivalent for an Array
Poster? Where can I get one? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael A Vinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: isDefined Equivalent for an Array IsArray(value, [number]) -helps to keep that biggole CF poster tacked on the wall :) -mike Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/04/2004 02:33 PM Please respond to cf-talk To:CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:isDefined Equivalent for an Array Its a long hot afternoon and my brain feels blocked, so pardon the stupid question, but is there an equivalent of isDefined for Arrays? many thanks, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Hackers and Painters - Applied to Cold Fusion
Can we please keep the political jokes off cf-talk? Thanks, -Kevin - Original Message - From: G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Hackers and Painters - Applied to Cold Fusion ASP has a better set of WMD search functions. - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans To: CF-Talk Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Hackers and Painters - Applied to Cold Fusion CF is the devil. Is G.W.Bush working in ASP? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfx_pdf from easel
I haven't worked with the J2EE server but it installed fine on my developer version of CFMX. -Kevin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: cfx_pdf from easel Having some trouble with getting the cfxpdf installed from easel.com. Anyone? error mess: The CFX custom tag CFX_pdf was not found in the custom tag database. Please be sure to add custom tags to the database before using them. If you have added your tag to the database then you should check the spelling of the tag within your template to insure that it matches the database entry. The error occurred in D:\JRun4\servers\cfusion\cfusion-ear\cfusion-war\WEB-INF\cfusion\CustomTags\ pdf.cfm: line 26 I have the customtags dropped in the standard CT dir.I have the CFX_PDF.jar file in the class path in JRun.I have the cfx regiestered in the CFX tag tool.I get nada. Using the J2EE install ofCFMXon JRun Cheers! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Slightly OT: Graphics expert?
A lot of it depends on the version of Photoshop you use. More recent versions include more control over the anti-aliasing used which is the key. My preference is actually to use Fireworks. In Fireworks I can not only select from multiple AA options, but can set my own. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Ray Champagne Anybody here really good with graphics?We have a designer here who is having a lot of trouble creating text graphics (for navigation, say) that are not all fuzzy around the edges.She swears that she has tried everything in Photoshop, filters, etc, but they still look like crap.The way that she is doing them is just not going to fly with professional web sites.So, my question is, does anybody have a surefire way to create crisp, non pixelated or fuzzy text graphics in Photoshop that they care to share with us? BTW, I know about css and rollover effects, etc, but we sometimes need to have drop shadows and other effects that I don't think that you can get with css. Any help or pointers to tutorials that we have not found would be appreciated. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: CFX_PDF
- Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) Just playing around with the CFX+PDF tag but it seems that a major limitation is the fact it cant grab text/data from the web as-is?when I grab data using CFHTTP it just outputs HTML script rather than data Anyone go it to do this or is it impossible? N Yeah, from what I can tell you can only feed it plain ascii text. So if you do scrape you will need to strip out the html. To get formatted text, like a headline that is 24pt bold italic, you would have to first import a bold italic font using the CF_PDF_FONT tag, then use the CF_PDF_TEXT tag around that headline text, declaring the font size, color, etc. Basically, instead of using HTML for any formatting you have the 13 formatting tags they provide. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: activePDF
- Original Message - From: Philip Arnold From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) Anyone worked recently with activePDF? I just downloaded the eval and the actual CF docs on the subject are pretty thin. Take a look at CFXPDF as well - it has specific CF instructions and will probably do what you need I'm working with CFX_PDF right now and I'm finding it rather rudimentary. It was easy to set up and it worked right away, so I'll give it that. It has its own, limited, set of tags for formatting. Some of them are nice to see, like the PDF encryption/security support, but the layout tools are pretty thin. It might get the job done, but I'm not going to be creating anything sophisticated with it. Not without a lot of work. It looks most useful for simple print documents without much layout. One of the things it doesn't do that ActivePDF does is take an existing file and convert it to PDF. ActivePDF in that sense just acts as a server-side PDF print driver. CFX_PDF is a set of tags for generating a new PDF from scratch. So if you need to allow people to upload a .doc and have your homebuilt CMS convert that to PDF, then CFX_PDF isn't for you. On the flip side, CFX_PDF is easy to use and it's a .jar and works on Windows, Linux, and Solaris while ActivePDF is a set of COM objects and only runs on Windows. There is also an article in this month's CFDJ talking about FOP (Formatting Objects Processor) which is a free alternative using XSL-FO. http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44771DE=1 http://xml.apache.org/fop/ -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: activePDF
- Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) Yes, they are easily created in distiller etc...but needed to know if activePDF could create these forms itself... I haven't tried, but I think so. PDF forms are really better referred to as FDF. Here's a powerpoint preso from ActivePDF about using XML and PDF forms: http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/pdf2k/01W/sullivan_xmlpdfforms.pdf >From what I see of CFX_PDF, you can't do forms with it. Not surprising really. Also, if you already have the PDF form and you just want to have a CF app fill out the form for you, here's a custom tag for that: http://www.pdfconnect.com/ It's a bit old though. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CF with Collage CMS?
Has anyone worked with the Collage content management system? On paper they say it works great with CF since it's basically hands-off with the code and it just deploys it to the production server as opposed to being a live CMS that builds pages at display time. That's on paper. I'm hoping someone hhere as real-world experience with it. If you've used it have you seen any issues, particularly with CF? We're considering it here and I'm trying to get a feel for things. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: CFMX 6.1 and Order By Error
Adding to that, in that case it was specifically in a QueryOfQuery and referencing section as [section] made it work. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Deanna Schneider section is a reserved word. That bit us recently. Is that the column that kills it? -d [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
You can get a DevNet subscription, which isn't free, but does provide multi-use servers for development. But, out of curiosity, what specifically do you want to do that the single-user version won't let you do? I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Yes there's the MM Devnet subscription, but it's rather expensive. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Developer Edition
- Original Message - From: Dave Watts I don't know what Bob's needs are, but we regularly want to evaluate a piece of software before even putting it on our test server. Our test server is a mirror of the production server and shouldn't have random evaluation stuff or beta testing software put on it. But the personal Developer license doesn't give our department the ability to actually look at the product being tested without everyone standing over someone's shoulder. Isn't that what the 30-day Trial Version is for? Or am I missing something? That's fine if you're testing everything within that 30-day period. But most of the things I have don't all come up in the same month. And wiping the box and reinstalling everything every 30 days isn't practical. And at least around here, nothing can be really tested in 30 days AND people still work on all the other things we get paid to do. It's usually: install, make sure it runs, send out an email for people to look at it, a couple weeks later enough people have gotten around to looking at it that we can talk about it and decide what to look at more. A real project with a high priority comes up and requires attention and puts off testing for weeks. Repeat for at least 3 months. Heck, just getting a followup meeting for some committees around here doesn't happen within 30 days. Maybe smaller shops that don't have a lot of work to do can get stuff fully evaluated within 30 days, but we sure don't. Lest I come off as whining, I'm not meaning to. I'm just stating the facts of our situation and why it would be nice to have a $50 developer workgroup license or something. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [OT] Dreamweaver nightmare
If you edit in the non-editable areas, then you want to dissociate the page from the template. If you don't, and then update the template, it will overwrite your code in the non-editable areas. That's why those areas are non-editable. If you need to add code that is specific to the page, either add it in an editable area or create an editable area in the template to hold your code. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Mark W. Breneman On the same note. Is there a way to over ride the non editable regions? We are building contribute templates with DW and the frustrating this is that I need to open them in a text editor to make changes to them after adding non editable regions. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RIA options, Flex Flash and others.
A big reason that the Flash seems slow is the animation. I'm primarily a UI guy and when I saw FutureSplash for the first time, I knew it was going to be huge for UI. But at the same time, I immediately realized that anything that needlessly slows down the user is detrimental to the user experience. Animation, by definition, takes time. The entire concept of FutureSplash/Flash was predicated on a timeline. Literally something that takes time. And this was back in the day of struggling to optimize web pages to load faster over a 28.8 modem. The speed problem with the Flex tree is mostly that it animates the expanding and collapsing. It's entirely possible to create a swf menu tree that switches states immediately without the animation. It would be an interesting comparison then to see an instant Flash based tree menu with the XUL one. I know there are other issues with Flash speed than just animation. That said, there are reasons to animate behaviors. Animation can allow the user to have a better understanding of what the result of their interaction was. If things happen too quickly, a user can miss the result or the causal relationship. The result of their action may happen so quickly and in a different enough location from the user's visual field of focus that they miss the event. If the user's result is different from the user's expectation and happens instantaneously without visual cues of a cuasal relationship, the user may percieve it as a system problem. Think of the modal error dialogs that suddenly appear and you don't know what you did. Finding the balance between enough animation for visual cues of cause/effect and fast enough to not feel sticky is tough. I agree with you though that a lot of Flash apps don't get it right. And a problem is that the animation speed is partly tied to computer speed, so the user experience isn't always predictable. -Kevin XUL. http://67.124.145.42/XUL/XULSampleTreeMenu.xul Put this up, side-by-side with the Flex Code Explorer at: http://macromedia.com/software/flex/?promoid=home_prod_flex_111703# Expand enoughfolders on each to get the window scrolling.Then expand/collapse the top node. Why is Flash so slow? Thoughts! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RIA options, Flex Flash and others.
Do you mean that they are using the equivalent of a movie to display the expansion and collapse of the folders and elements? To what end?Illustrate poor design. perhaps. I don't think you can necessarily say that because it's animated that it's poor design, and that wasn't my point. I would rather say that the animation speed may not be optimal. I don't mean optimized code, I mean a cost/benefit cutoff. As I said before, animation has benefits. Finding the right amount/speed is hard and isn't the same for all users. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
PIA name already taken
For those throwing the PIA moniker around as an acronym for Poor Internet Application, it's already taken. Sorry Rob. http://www.risource.org/PIA/PIA_FAQ.shtml * What is the Platform for Information Applications (PIA)? The PIA is a framework for building information applications -- systems that embed a small amount of processing in a large amount of information. In the PIA framework, each application consists of two parts: 1.. A collection of task-specific XML pages which contain active-processing tags (if, include, repeat,, etc); These look very much like HTML pages. 2.. A core software layer (including a dynamic XML processor) that is shared by all applications The goal is to make active pages which are both easier to customize and more powerful than ordinary web pages. ** -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: SOT: Flex Pricing
Well with the primary focus of the Flex launch being price. Lets get down to the nitty gritty. How many people on this list work for an institution that is willing to pay the premium for Flex? -adam I think we're a good target for Flex. We're a statewide educational institution with over 200 web sites. Educational material can greatly benefit from more touchy-feely UI, and I can think of many applications for Flex that are out of the standard e-commerce grid ideas. I can virtually guarantee that we will not be purchasing Flex even at the previously mentioned educational discount price of ~$8k. -Kevin. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Viewing Source Code
A few weeks ago there was a thread here about changing the edit functionality in IE to use DWMX. For some reason I did what was suggested on my laptop, and now when I right-click and View-Source, or View-Source from the menu I get nothing! I've been back through the microsoft article that told you how to edit the properties in the folder options / File Types but I can't fix it. Anyone understand this situation? It's possible that it's actually the IE cache bug and it's just a coincidence that it happened when you switched your preferred app for source. Try deleting all the temporary internet files and see if it fixes the problem. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Good (inexpensive) domain registration
A friend of mine tried to use BuyDomains for their business. She did the search to see if the domain was available, reported to their group that it was and when they went back to buy it the next day or so, BuyDomains had snapped up the name and was squatting on it asking for thousands of dollars to buy it from them. -Kevin Just wondering, does anyone have good/bad stories related to www.dotster.com or http://www.buydomains.com/ ? TK [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Powerbooks and Coldfusion
I am seriously thinking about snapping up a Powerbook while there as the UK Stirling - US Dollar exchange rate is pretty good. Just a word of caution: Apple UK will very likely not support a US market PowerBook. Check with them first. I've known several people who got good deals on their Mac and when they tried to get service were refused because the country code identified in the product number was wrong and the owners were accused by Apple of engaging in grey/black market purchases. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Moving to CFMX for J2EE (Linux) from CFMX for J2EE ( WINDOWS)
Verity has problems on Linux. We can't get it to work and we're looking at switching to Lucene. Filesystem path directories are delimited by / instead of \. Case sensitivity. -Kevin HI, I was wondering if anyone on this list might know if there is anything that I need to watch out for in my conversion from CFMX(J2EE) for Windows to CFMX(J2EE) for Linux. I will be moving off most of our apps to the Linux boxes. We use Oracle and SQL Server as the DB's for the application depending on the volume of transactions. I was just wondering if there is any difference between the two or anything that I should specifically look out for. Thanks Mario [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Marketing / Design ???
Looks good to me. Satisfies the did it do it?, did it do it right?, and what do I do next? questions quite nicely. Just a couple little things I noticed though: 1. On the customer registration page, the asterisk on the zip isn't red. 2. You could possibly streamline the address information. There's a customer address, ship to address, and billing address. You ask if the ship to is the same as the customer addy, but don't ask the same for the billing. 3. After placing the order with the fake cc, I got a page saying If you receive an error message or email from us stating that your credit card has listed as invalid, it has most likely listed as invalid for one of the following reasons:I'd suggest putting a header on that page saying, Credit card problem. or something. Looking at the If that starts the page, I don't know if it's saying the order probably went through but maybe didn't, or if it's saying there was actually a problem. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Bailey, Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Marketing / Design ??? Good points everyone... I am still having a hard time to whether I should change the way I am currently handling a customer when the select a product. I think I have it pretty straight forward but who knows it's hard to see is from the customer's point when you are the developer. Here check it out and let me know if you think should change it to direct to the checkout page or just leave it a lone with maybe a few adjustments. Feel free to run test orders and try to break the system use a test card number if you want, 4111.I am trying to workout all the bugs and make sure it functions properly. http://www.BlissfulEssence.com http://www.blissfulessence.com/ Any other comments are welcome... Thanks, Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Marketing / Design ???
2. You could possibly streamline the address information. There's a customer address, ship to address, and billing address. You ask if the ship to is the same as the customer addy, but don't ask the same for the billing. - Hmmm not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about making a same as billing button or the credit card form? Well most sites have just two addresses, a customer billing address and a shipping address. You have 3: a customer address, a shipping address, and a billing address. I'm not sure why you need the customer address, but if you do I was suggesting that when you get to the billing address question, you could have it default to the customer address and only have them fill it in if it's different. Well thanks for looking site over... we are getting pretty excited on the re-opening next month. Good luck! It does look really nice. Now if you only had more unscented candles. Smelly candles are nasty. ;-) -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Marketing / Design ???
frustration. I have found over the years of working on a Beauty website that women shopping for these types of products like to have clear direction and with out a lot of decision. (Please don't beat me up). That's true of all users. Who wants obfuscation and difficult choices? :-) -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: BlueDragon and Dreamweaver MX
Yes, it disable that feature Then how do you do any database work using BlueDragon and Dreamweaver? We have DW and CFMX, but our server guys have disabled RDS for security reasons. So it's not just BlueDragon users in this boat. We write our own code. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: keywording for search engine hits
Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? IIRC, Inktomi is the only search engine that still really pays attention to meta keywords. The search companies are getting much better at looking at the actual content of the page and filtering out attempts to stuff the ballot. Unless things have changed in the last few months, the best way to get highly ranked is to have lots of sites link to your site. And not only should they link, but the link text should be the keywords you care about because that is weighted heavily. Also, descriptive titles, proper use of and descriptive H1 header and key words in the first paragraph are good too. You have to be really careful of too much gross SEO because Google will ban you outright if they feel you're stuffing the ballot. The SearchEngineWatch site that Tony mentioned is a good source of info. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Marketing / Design ???
It's really a useability design question. The issue is feedback. The customer needs to know that 1.) something happened; and 2.) what happened was what they expected to happen. The followup useability problem is that the user needs to understand what they can do next. Your situation 1 satisfies both of the first 2 problems, but on many sites the checkout page looks like they HAVE to checkout or lose their selection. Your situation 2 may not provide enough clues to satisfy need 1. You said that you will provide information in a little box to tell them what happened and that satisfies need 2, but staying on the page and a little box may not be enough indication to fullfill need 1. My preference is probably situation 1, but make it clear that it's a cart page and not a checkout page, and provide very clear indication on how they can continue shopping. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Bailey, Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Marketing / Design ??? I have a question... From a marketing standpoint and or shopping cart design, which is better? (1.) Customer selects a product and presses the buy button and is then directed to the checkout page where they can update their cart, checkout or press the continue shopping button which will take them back to the product page. Or (2.) The customer presses the buy button and the item is added to the cart and the customer stays on the page instead of being redirected to the checkout page, of course the item will appear on a little box as being added with a display of the current total. I have seen it both ways on many shopping carts, but personally I prefer number 2 as this is how I do it on mine. I was wondering if there is any reason as far as marketing goes to doing it the other way. I guess it depends on what the products is but I still would think redirecting them to the checkout page is almost like rushing them though a nice dinner so you can get your tip. Any comments? Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Browser wars (was Re: Can someone recommend a good web development browser?)
Can we cut this short? Yes there are issues with browsers. The original question was looking for recommendations on a browser for development. Suggestions were made. Now the thread is devolving into the same old browser bitching. Can we please not beat this horse? -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Browser wars (was Re: Can someone recommend a good web development browser?)
I believe the position being suggested is that you could develop against Firefox and have the result work with both browsers as opposed to developing against IE, which might mean the result will only work with IE. IE may have more market share, but if a change in your development practices has no negative effects, but provides the benefit of higher market share, why wouldn't you do it? Because that position is flawed. Anyone who has done any work with CSS knows that just because it works in Firefox doesn't mean it will work in IE. If you don't care about CSS, then how about session management? That's handled differently as well. GAH! Stupid thread. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Browser wars (was Re: Can someone recommend a good web development browser?)
Depends on what type of CSS work we are talking about. Just basic non-positional CSS seems to be interoperable. Further, I am not sure what you mean in regard to session management as that is a server-side issue. I apologize to everyone if this browser discussion is too off topic. I'll address what I think is a CF issue first. With session management, IIRC it has to do with how each window in IE is a separate application instance while in Netscape there is only one application instance with separate windows. (If I'm off on that, I'm sure someone will jump down my throat. It's been a while since we dealt with it explicitly and my memory is shoddy.) As for CSS, using CSS that works in Firefox is not guaranteed to work in other browsers. Unfortunate, but true. Saying you want to limit what CSS we're talking about changes the argument from if it works in Firefox, then it will work anywhere to some things that work in Firefox work in IE. And really, since that's CSS and not CF I'm done arguing the point here. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Can someone recommend a good web development browser?
I usually develop with IE on a PC, but I would really like a browser that shows me the *time* taken to request each object in a web request. Also, if it could show me the http headers of the request and response, that would be sweet. I've currently got a page thats slow and I think its network latency, but I'm not sure what the best tool is for timing the response. There's got to be some good software out there for this task. While I prefer the Mozilla browsers and Opera technically, I find I always end up coming back to IE just because I have to make sure the site works for my 90%+ userbase. If I were to just spot test in IE I would miss something that I don't explicitly test for. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: FTP client recommendations?
Can anyone recommend an FTP client that they are really happy with? I've been using CuteFTP 3PointSomething for years and today it dawned on me that there must be a better way. FlashFXP is hands down my favorite for the user-interface. Unfortunately, while it supports SSL it doesn't do SFTP. SecureFX is what I'm using now and I think I like it now better than FileZilla. Very different UI paradigm though. It's basically like Windows Explorer instead of the left-right panes. AbsoluteFTP is the same as SecureFX but without the SFTP feature. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Express
Have you considered Flash? It can be a 2-1/2 tiered setup. You can have the Flash app talk to a local XML resource, and when the PDA is synched and can get online, it can download new data for the XML from a database (the extra 1/2). And you can take the exact same app and just drop it into a web page if you want a web version. .NET would probably give you some options too, but I'm not familiar with it and don't know how well it's supported on various PDAs -Kevin And another note on 3-tiered vs. 2-tiered, it's more likely that 95+% of all my apps would be web-based, hence, stay with this approach would be more beneficial to myself rather than this particular app we're talking about though from efficiency or other factor point of view, 2-tiered is more desirable, source-wise, won't/shouldn't be an issue though (just one user per PPC). [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Browser wars (was Re: Can someone recommend a good web development browser?)
The stats for my main public site are: 68.05% Micro$oft Internet Exploder 25.53% Netscape REST: google/opera and other things Thats a far cry from 90%. You're probably talking about your site - but I was wondering what others are getting in their logs? Whats the general take on the browser (cold) war? Yeah, I was talking about my sites. They vary somewhat by audience, but nothing as dramatic as yours. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Weeeeee! ;)))
On Wednesday 03 Mar 2004 14:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 07417 -- archive password Sorry, I don't know it either. OTPIAW: Whuh ? It's a virus spam message. The attached .zip archive was removed. The .zip archive is password protected in order to get past any AV scanners at the server since they can't open the protected archive. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT: Interesting article on Macromedia Central...
Example. _javascript_, Java, C++ -- how different are they? Does CF have
the same concepts and names for things as those languages? How about VB?
C#? yes they do ... ok then theres ActionScript - I am not going to
learn it becuase there are few commonalties, and it's too much of a
pain. I would like to use Flash, it seems like it has potential but
there is no need for me to learn that Stage is the same as Screen
(again this is several people talking not just me).
If that's your view of AS, then I think you didn't spend much time at all
with it. Here's a sample of a part of an application in ActionScript:
initGame();
function initGame() {
cash = 100;
showCash();
}
// create a shuffled deck
function createDeck() {
// create an ordered deck
suits = [c,d,s,h];
temp = new Array();
for(i=0;i6;i++) {
for(suit=0;suit4;suit++) {
for(num=1;num14;num++) {
temp.push(suits[suit]+num);
}
}
}
// pick random cards until deck has been shuffled
deck = new Array();
while (temp.length 0) {
r = int(Math.random()*temp.length);
deck.push(temp[r]);
temp.splice(r,1);
}
}
// init hand arrays and bet
function initHand() {
playerHand = new Array();
dealerHand = new Array();
showDealerFirstCard = false;
bet = 5;
showBet();
}
// allow the player to increase her bet up to $25
function addToBet() {
bet += 5;
if (bet 25) bet = 25;
showBet();
}
Pretty similar to the other languages you mentioned. Heck, you could lift
that code out and put it in a different language and with only very slight
mods have a working app.
Now considering that this whole discussion is way off topic, I'll stop here.
-Kevin
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