CF to groovy, awe man wth...
so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357943 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Why would you not want to learn it? On 17 March 2014 13:28, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357944 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Agreed. Currently eight times more Groovy jobs on Indeed.com than CF jobs. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you not want to learn it? On 17 March 2014 13:28, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357945 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
No kidding. Being forced to learn something new - on the clock - sounds like a win win. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you not want to learn it? On 17 March 2014 13:28, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Absolutely. I'd KILL for an opportunity like that (that said, we're being cross-trained to C#, which I am also looking fwd to). On 17 March 2014 13:39, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: No kidding. Being forced to learn something new - on the clock - sounds like a win win. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you not want to learn it? On 17 March 2014 13:28, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357947 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
I recall a long time ago, a company that I worked for switched from CF to .NET. So I was paid to learn C# and rewrite all my CF apps to C# as well. Yep, getting paid to learn new stuff is where it's at. Bruce On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. I'd KILL for an opportunity like that (that said, we're being cross-trained to C#, which I am also looking fwd to). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357948 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Ok, I think he gets the idea now. :) Can anyone recommend books, classes, etc for him? I believe I used an ORA book a few years ago that was good. In general, ORA books are *always* a good idea. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I recall a long time ago, a company that I worked for switched from CF to .NET. So I was paid to learn C# and rewrite all my CF apps to C# as well. Yep, getting paid to learn new stuff is where it's at. Bruce On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. I'd KILL for an opportunity like that (that said, we're being cross-trained to C#, which I am also looking fwd to). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
On 17 March 2014 13:49, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I think he gets the idea now. :) Can anyone recommend books, classes, etc for him? I believe I used an ORA book a few years ago that was good. In general, ORA books are *always* a good idea. TBH, I'd just google groovy tutorial or some variation thereupon, and go from there to start with. Before outlaying for a book. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357950 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
yeah, i get it.. just stuborn. was hoping there was something as good as the WACK book. alot of stuff i am seeing just isnt pasionate, compelling, et. -m ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. A bunch of other people have already replied about the positive value of learning new things. Remember, this is an industry where you constantly have to learn new things! Getting paid to learn them on-the-job is the best possible thing for you, personally. That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? Honestly, as a consultant, I see this we're going to rewrite all our language X applications in language Y, and it's usually just a way for consultants (like me!) to make money while providing very little actual value to the organization making the switch. It's true when people rewrite other applications in CF, and it's true when people rewrite CF applications in something else. The best approach is to build new applications in the new environment, and move old applications to the new environment when they need significant changes that would be expensive to implement even in CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357952 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Dave i agree completly. questions like that are not appreciated where i am currently! i have found some basic tut's and will go through them. hopfuly i can set up a test env on local machine without needing admin right to instal the JDK. hate being on lockdown. i need to change my outlook as every one has already stated! being paid to learn is a good thing. i should have done that with Java in 2001. things might be different now! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. A bunch of other people have already replied about the positive value of learning new things. Remember, this is an industry where you constantly have to learn new things! Getting paid to learn them on-the-job is the best possible thing for you, personally. That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? Honestly, as a consultant, I see this we're going to rewrite all our language X applications in language Y, and it's usually just a way for consultants (like me!) to make money while providing very little actual value to the organization making the switch. It's true when people rewrite other applications in CF, and it's true when people rewrite CF applications in something else. The best approach is to build new applications in the new environment, and move old applications to the new environment when they need significant changes that would be expensive to implement even in CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Of course you want to learn it. I'll skip the discussion on whether it is a good idea to rewrite everything in a new language or not since business decisions don't have to make sense. The man with the gold makes the rules. The standard procedure in most industries is to decide to write all new applications in another language, then proceed. They keep the legacy people around for maintenance and hire a bunch of kids to write the new stuff. Then, they fire all the old people and keep the kids who now are in legacy mode. As a geezer, you have to jump into the new stuff when you get half of a chance even if you have to learn it on your own dime. Having them pay for you to learn the new stuff is gold. Moral of story: Try not to be one of those legacy devs. (Of course, you already know this if you are a geezer geek and have made it this far.) morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357954 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
I would recommend taking a look through http://compiledammit.com/. It is authored by a group of ex-CFers who have moved over to Groovy land. They have a series of posts that are written specifically for CFers, too. And +infinity to learning on the job. HTH On Mar 17, 2014 10:12 AM, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: Dave i agree completly. questions like that are not appreciated where i am currently! i have found some basic tut's and will go through them. hopfuly i can set up a test env on local machine without needing admin right to instal the JDK. hate being on lockdown. i need to change my outlook as every one has already stated! being paid to learn is a good thing. i should have done that with Java in 2001. things might be different now! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. A bunch of other people have already replied about the positive value of learning new things. Remember, this is an industry where you constantly have to learn new things! Getting paid to learn them on-the-job is the best possible thing for you, personally. That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? Honestly, as a consultant, I see this we're going to rewrite all our language X applications in language Y, and it's usually just a way for consultants (like me!) to make money while providing very little actual value to the organization making the switch. It's true when people rewrite other applications in CF, and it's true when people rewrite CF applications in something else. The best approach is to build new applications in the new environment, and move old applications to the new environment when they need significant changes that would be expensive to implement even in CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357955 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? I was going to say something similar... Odd switch, going from one Java bytecode language to another. However, as Ray suggested, here are some from the search results... For what it's worth my search query was: groovy programming book reviews http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Groovy-Productivity-Developer-Programmers/dp/19377853005 stars (6 reviews) http://www.amazon.com/Groovy-Action-Dierk-Koenig/dp/1932394842 4.5 stars (24 reviews) From the looks of it most of the texts are for Java developers. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357956 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
i have found some basic tut's and will go through them. hopfuly i can set up a test env on local machine without needing admin right to instal the JDK. You don't need admin rights to get a working JDK. The installers available from Oracle may need admin rights, but there's nothing stopping you from installing in on a personal machine, then just zipping up the files and copying them to another machine. You may need to set a JAVA_HOME environment variable - you can do this using a batch file when you start your Java and/or Groovy programs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
Thanks guys! As always your opinions and replies are valued and taken to heart! time for a new hat! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? I was going to say something similar... Odd switch, going from one Java bytecode language to another. However, as Ray suggested, here are some from the search results... For what it's worth my search query was: groovy programming book reviews http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Groovy-Productivity-Developer-Programmers/dp/19377853005 stars (6 reviews) http://www.amazon.com/Groovy-Action-Dierk-Koenig/dp/1932394842 4.5 stars (24 reviews) From the looks of it most of the texts are for Java developers. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
I would recommend taking a look through http://compiledammit.com/. It is authored by a group of ex-CFers who have moved over to Groovy land. Great resource. Thanx Matt! G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Blarg http://www.myinternetisbroken.com Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: I would recommend taking a look through http://compiledammit.com/. It is authored by a group of ex-CFers who have moved over to Groovy land. They have a series of posts that are written specifically for CFers, too. And +infinity to learning on the job. HTH On Mar 17, 2014 10:12 AM, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: Dave i agree completly. questions like that are not appreciated where i am currently! i have found some basic tut's and will go through them. hopfuly i can set up a test env on local machine without needing admin right to instal the JDK. hate being on lockdown. i need to change my outlook as every one has already stated! being paid to learn is a good thing. i should have done that with Java in 2001. things might be different now! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. A bunch of other people have already replied about the positive value of learning new things. Remember, this is an industry where you constantly have to learn new things! Getting paid to learn them on-the-job is the best possible thing for you, personally. That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? Honestly, as a consultant, I see this we're going to rewrite all our language X applications in language Y, and it's usually just a way for consultants (like me!) to make money while providing very little actual value to the organization making the switch. It's true when people rewrite other applications in CF, and it's true when people rewrite CF applications in something else. The best approach is to build new applications in the new environment, and move old applications to the new environment when they need significant changes that would be expensive to implement even in CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357959 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF to groovy, awe man wth...
if I was going to learn something else for fun it would probably be groovy, the learning curve from cf to groovy is pretty low, however it would be more practical for me to learn PHP being as most of the apps we use are PHP and most of the PHP developers we hire are so piss poor :-) Here are some links which may be useful in making the switch http://www.briankotek.com/blog/index.cfm/2009/3/25/Groovy-The-Invasion-Begins http://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/projects/cfgroovy2/ On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: I would recommend taking a look through http://compiledammit.com/. It is authored by a group of ex-CFers who have moved over to Groovy land. Great resource. Thanx Matt! G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Blarg http://www.myinternetisbroken.com Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I would recommend taking a look through http://compiledammit.com/. It is authored by a group of ex-CFers who have moved over to Groovy land. They have a series of posts that are written specifically for CFers, too. And +infinity to learning on the job. HTH On Mar 17, 2014 10:12 AM, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.com wrote: Dave i agree completly. questions like that are not appreciated where i am currently! i have found some basic tut's and will go through them. hopfuly i can set up a test env on local machine without needing admin right to instal the JDK. hate being on lockdown. i need to change my outlook as every one has already stated! being paid to learn is a good thing. i should have done that with Java in 2001. things might be different now! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: so we have some people at the top here wanting us to switch from cf to groovy. i have no control other then will support all apps until this thing happens. so was curious if any one here has done any groovy stuff, and what advice they could give to a old man who has done cf since 1998. i don't want to learn it. but have to. so any good books or resources that you know of? hoping it doesn't happen, or that i find another cf shop before it does. A bunch of other people have already replied about the positive value of learning new things. Remember, this is an industry where you constantly have to learn new things! Getting paid to learn them on-the-job is the best possible thing for you, personally. That said, it may not actually be the best thing for your employer, simply because the value of existing code is very, very high, as is the cost of rebuilding applications in a new language. So, you might want to ask your employer what value they expect to get from this? Honestly, as a consultant, I see this we're going to rewrite all our language X applications in language Y, and it's usually just a way for consultants (like me!) to make money while providing very little actual value to the organization making the switch. It's true when people rewrite other applications in CF, and it's true when people rewrite CF applications in something else. The best approach is to build new applications in the new environment, and move old applications to the new environment when they need significant changes that would be expensive to implement even in CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357960 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
