RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Wow. Looks like even Homer Simpson joined this conversation. Seriously, do you think you can manage to be somewhat professional lol? If somehow I manage to upset you, I don't think that everybody has to hear about it, do they? On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Huh? I don't think I was a bad actor in this thread, was I? On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
I absolutely agree with you on that. Now I really hope that you're in the everybody group... Bye Helge Den 26. jan. 2011 kl. 17:14 skrev Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com: Wow. Looks like even Homer Simpson joined this conversation. Seriously, do you think you can manage to be somewhat professional lol? If somehow I manage to upset you, I don't think that everybody has to hear about it, do they? On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for he-who-must-not-be-named -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Huh? I don't think I was a bad actor in this thread, was I? On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Me thinks someone needs to step away from the cubicle. Too funny. On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for he-who-must-not-be-named -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Huh? I don't think I was a bad actor in this thread, was I? On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Cubicle? I'm doubting that. lol On 1/26/2011 11:30 AM, Michael Firth wrote: Me thinks someone needs to step away from the cubicle. Too funny. On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for he-who-must-not-be-named -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Huh? I don't think I was a bad actor in this thread, was I? On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else (doh!). -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Custom Tags, cf_location
Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341184 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Why not use cflocation / http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=0284.htm#wp1100753 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard eric.viney...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341185 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Why not use cflocation / http://livedocs.adobe. com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp. htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=0284.htm#wp1100753 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard eric.vineyard@hotmail. comwrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of cflocation's. My entire reason for using cf_location was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary cftoken in my urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location does not. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341186 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
What is in the location custom tag? It doesn't sound like it is an issue with the installation of the tag or you would get an error saying it couldn't find it. You also don't happen to have a file called location.cfm in the calling directory (or its' parent directories) do you? If so, maybe it is using that template instead. Just a thought. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:45 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Why not use cflocation / http://livedocs.adobe. com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp. htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=0284.htm#wp1100753 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard eric.vineyard@hotmail. comwrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of cflocation's. My entire reason for using cf_location was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary cftoken in my urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location does not. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341187 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Then use addToken=false Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 7:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Why not use cflocation / http://livedocs.adobe. com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp. htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=0284.htm#wp1100753 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard eric.vineyard@hotmail. comwrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of cflocation's. My entire reason for using cf_location was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary cftoken in my urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location does not. ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341186 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341188 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Check to see if there is another file named CF_Location in the customs tag directory or in the directory your template is in that is calling the tag At 03:34 PM 1/25/2011, you wrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
um... then why not use: cflocation addtoken=no / addtoken=no doesn't add the unnecessary cftoken Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of cflocation's. My entire reason for using cf_location was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary cftoken in my urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location does not. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
You don't want to have to find and replace all cflocation tags to add the addtoken attribute, but you are willing to find and reaplace cflocation with cf_location? Seems like the same amount of work to me. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:45 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Why not use cflocation / http://livedocs.adobe. com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp. htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentationfile=0284.htm#wp1100753 On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard eric.vineyard@hotmail. comwrote: Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, cf_location. I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder. Whenever I try to call cf_location url='blah.cfm' / It automatically redirects to http:/'servername'.com/foo. What am I doing wrong here? Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of cflocation's. My entire reason for using cf_location was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary cftoken in my urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location does not. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341194 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no. It's not more difficult to replace all occurrences of 'CFLOCATION' by 'CFLOCATION addToken=no' than by 'CF_LOCATION' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341197 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume everybody should follow the expert way. Its developers like this that give Coldfusion the bad name. Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
It has nothing to do with being expert or not, but common sense. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume everybody should follow the expert way. Its developers like this that give Coldfusion the bad name. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341208 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: It has nothing to do with being expert or not, but common sense. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume everybody should follow the expert way. Its developers like this that give Coldfusion the bad name. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341209 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Agreed. I can't believe how many of these so called experts are on here claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most worthless coders you will ever find. You know sometimes one has to be humble to see the light. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341211 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Your not just getting it. The sad part is you never will. Sure you answered it, but takes a while for a person to see that after all the other stuff lol. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Not exactly. OP wrote, ...It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no... (AKA, the crux of his problem/misunderstanding.) You replied, Then use addToken=false That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Good point. See I even learned from this. You don't have to be a noob to actually learn or refresh the mind once in a while. On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:02 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Not exactly. OP wrote, ...It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to no than to Find and Replace every single tag with addToken=no... (AKA, the crux of his problem/misunderstanding.) You replied, Then use addToken=false That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Ok Michael seeing as you are being the way you are. My comment had a double meaning behind it, and the point is that if this guy is thinking in this manner I would actually hate to see what the rest of the Application is like. It is a known fact that if that guy ever leaves, a new guy will come in and more likely go to his boss and say this guy didn't know what he was doing, then he will turn around and say why are you using a language that is not a serious language. And to be honest, that was what I was thinking. I thought it more polite to just come out with a double meaning, and now that you have pushed the subject I think it best to actually come out and say it. As for the original poster, I am curious how you think that by writing a custom tag, and then replace that with all the cflocations is actually easier, than just adding the addtoken=false in the code? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:56 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Your not just getting it. The sad part is you never will. Sure you answered it, but takes a while for a person to see that after all the other stuff lol. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Despite Andrews lack of partience he is however correct. Replacing cflocation with cflocation addtoken=false would be much better and is of course almost as easy to do.If the URL is different in every cflocation then a REGEX will be required, bit there are some regex gurus on here who can help with that. A workaround is gr8 if you don't know any better way to do it, or if it is a significant time, but not really an ideal solution when you have the best one handed to you on a plate. Russ On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels -- -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341217 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake. Who cares now if your right? All meaning has been lost. Caution to anybody that is new to ColdFusion. You will sometimes encounter developers who give double meaning and treat you with a lack of respect. Arrogance. Complete Egos at work here. On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Russ Michaels wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341218 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6 months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his approach, and that is all it is and nothing more. Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as well, or did you not read that? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake. Who cares now if your right? All meaning has been lost. Caution to anybody that is new to ColdFusion. You will sometimes encounter developers who give double meaning and treat you with a lack of respect. Arrogance. Complete Egos at work here. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
I follow. I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first and ask questions later. Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a high D-18 roll of: - intelligence - wisdom - charisma ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to us for guidance / opinions / etc. When they ask questions whose answers are easily Googled, let's reply with: - helpful URL - helpful Google search string ...or similar. Or not at all, I suppose. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Your not just getting it and I don't think you every will. You come off as sounding like a jerk plain and simple, so who cares if your right. On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6 months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his approach, and that is all it is and nothing more. Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as well, or did you not read that? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake. Who cares now if your right? All meaning has been lost. Caution to anybody that is new to ColdFusion. You will sometimes encounter developers who give double meaning and treat you with a lack of respect. Arrogance. Complete Egos at work here. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341221 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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John, You hit it right on the button. I would dare say your the true expert here. Mike On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss wrote: I follow. I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first and ask questions later. Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a high D-18 roll of: - intelligence - wisdom - charisma ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to us for guidance / opinions / etc. When they ask questions whose answers are easily Googled, let's reply with: - helpful URL - helpful Google search string ...or similar. Or not at all, I suppose. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob aswell, or did you not read that? He wrote, I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. Based on that statement and the nature of his question, I had him estimated at a 3 on the noob - to - expert 10-point scale. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6 months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his approach, and that is all it is and nothing more. Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as well, or did you not read that? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake. Who cares now if your right? All meaning has been lost. Caution to anybody that is new to ColdFusion. You will sometimes encounter developers who give double meaning and treat you with a lack of respect. Arrogance. Complete Egos at work here. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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My thoughts exactly. Figured maybe I was missing something. lol Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341225 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us experts are extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he might feel entitled to a few pot shots. It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a poor experience with CF experts. But don't let your own personal axe grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good lot. (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed. I can't believe how many of these so called experts are on here claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most worthless coders you will ever find. You know sometimes one has to be humble to see the light. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341226 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Yeah maybe. The one thing I will add here, and even us experts tend to do it as well, but common sense does eventually kick in. And that is that we all tend to over complicate the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:27 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob aswell, or did you not read that? He wrote, I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert. Based on that statement and the nature of his question, I had him estimated at a 3 on the noob - to - expert 10-point scale. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Good God! Having flashbacks from high school with this thread! LOL Your not just getting it and I don't think you every will. You come off as sounding like a jerk plain and simple, so who cares if your right. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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+1 for the rpg reference... nerd. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I follow. I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first and ask questions later. Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a high D-18 roll of: - intelligence - wisdom - charisma ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to us for guidance / opinions / etc. When they ask questions whose answers are easily Googled, let's reply with: - helpful URL - helpful Google search string ...or similar. Or not at all, I suppose. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
STOP THE INSANITY - the horse is dead quit whipping it.. PLEASE!! Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Michael Grant wrote: +1 for the rpg reference... nerd. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I follow. I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first and ask questions later. Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a high D-18 roll of: - intelligence - wisdom - charisma ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to us for guidance / opinions / etc. When they ask questions whose answers are easily Googled, let's reply with: - helpful URL - helpful Google search string ...or similar. Or not at all, I suppose. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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nerd. Guilty. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: +1 for the rpg reference... nerd. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I follow. I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first and ask questions later. Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a high D-18 roll of: - intelligence - wisdom - charisma ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to us for guidance / opinions / etc. When they ask questions whose answers are easily Googled, let's reply with: - helpful URL - helpful Google search string ...or similar. Or not at all, I suppose. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things that noobs do and common sense comes with experience. However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search. There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them. Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-) So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc. www.cfsearch.com www.cfquickdocs.com www.coldfusiondocs.com www.easycfm.com www.cfmldeveloper.com http://www.carehart.org/cf411/ http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/ -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does more damage than help. Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails to attack me. Not exactly setting an example are you? On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote: Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us experts are extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he might feel entitled to a few pot shots. It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a poor experience with CF experts. But don't let your own personal axe grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good lot. (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed. I can't believe how many of these so called experts are on here claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most worthless coders you will ever find. You know sometimes one has to be humble to see the light. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com, a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help people learn CF. I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might want to calm down. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does more damage than help. Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails to attack me. Not exactly setting an example are you? On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote: Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us experts are extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he might feel entitled to a few pot shots. It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a poor experience with CF experts. But don't let your own personal axe grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good lot. (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. I can't believe how many of these so called experts are on here claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most worthless coders you will ever find. You know sometimes one has to be humble to see the light. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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With all due respect Michael I think you are speaking out of turn here. How would you (in Atlanta) have any idea what I (near Toronto) have been doing to encourage people to learn CF? On this list I offer as much help as I have time or advice for. Locally I've tried since the 90's to encourage the spread of CF. I don't remember ever replying in a discouraging manner on cf-talk to a n00b. In fact my only beef over the past 13+ years has been with regards to a lack of marketing for CF because I love it so. In fact, I've even reached out to you personally from cfer to cfer in an effort to save you some embarrassment and help preserve your career integrity. I would call that giving back. Methinks thou doth protest too much. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does more damage than help. Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails to attack me. Not exactly setting an example are you? On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote: Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us experts are extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he might feel entitled to a few pot shots. It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a poor experience with CF experts. But don't let your own personal axe grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good lot. (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. I can't believe how many of these so called experts are on here claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most worthless coders you will ever find. You know sometimes one has to be humble to see the light. On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote: Yes. My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards. Regardless of quantity my web app dev lang is dying FUD. We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs. :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location ...because noobs aren't yet find-and-replace ninjas? Doubt it. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!! Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~~ ~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:341204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341243 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Please. So what? Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need for such self promotion. Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com, a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help people learn CF. I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might want to calm down. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead yo... Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.hous... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341245 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Well done on your self promotion as a Jerk Michael, you are doing an absolutely sterling job and you definitely deserve everything you get in recognition of your gr8 talent. three cheers for Michael. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Please. So what? Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need for such self promotion. Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com , a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help people learn CF. I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might want to calm down. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead yo... Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.hous... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341246 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Well done on your self promotion as a Jerk Michael, you are doing an absolutely sterling job and you definitely deserve everything you get in recognition of your gr8 talent. three cheers for Michael. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Please. So what? Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need for such self promotion. Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com , a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help people learn CF. I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might want to calm down. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the language. Instead yo... Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.hous... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341248 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, Kelly Matthews ke...@webdiva.org wrote: Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning Autism as it is known over there. But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off calm down and have a good think about it later. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341250 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Erm, read your own posts. You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you. You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out even more insults when you are proved wrong. The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, Kelly Matthews ke...@webdiva.org wrote: Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Ah once again with the name calling. Real professional andrew. I am really ashamed that you call yourself a developer. Like I said someone who really helps doesnt self promote On Jan 25, 2011 8:43 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning Autism as it is known over there. But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off calm down and have a good think about it later. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Just cant let it go can you. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Erm, read your own posts. You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you. You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out even more insults when you are proved wrong. The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, Kelly Matthews ke...@webdiva.org wrote: Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
ok that's enough now, you are now added to my spam filter, so feel free to get the last word in as I wont see it. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Just cant let it go can you. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Erm, read your own posts. You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you. You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out even more insults when you are proved wrong. The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, Kelly Matthews ke...@webdiva.org wrote: Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Wow how mature and professional. Spam filter. Guess I was right lmao On Jan 25, 2011 8:51 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: ok that's enough now, you are now added to my spam filter, so feel free to get the last word in as I wont see it. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Just cant let it go can you. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Erm, read your own posts. You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you. You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out even more insults when you are proved wrong. The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, Kelly Matthews ke...@webdiva.org wrote: Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with here. We shall see. :) Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: www.cfmldeveloper.com might ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341255 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
You know one of the things that I have always loved about this list is that anyone could ask a question no matter how NOOBISH and no one would treat them with any ill will. The people would always gently move them to the proper way of doing things and everyone would learn. I apologize that this is not the case today. I hope the list will return to being a safe-haven for those looking for advice and help. Steve (Note: the previous was my personal opinion and may not be the opinion of my friends, others on the list, my employer, or the general public) -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:49 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I can only hope for the same thing too. On Jan 25, 2011 9:22 PM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) sd1...@att.com wrote: You know one of the things that I have always loved about this list is that anyone could ask a question no matter how NOOBISH and no one would treat them with any ill will. The people would always gently move them to the proper way of doing things and everyone would learn. I apologize that this is not the case today. I hope the list will return to being a safe-haven for those looking for advice and help. Steve (Note: the previous was my personal opinion and may not be the opinion of my friends, others on the list, my employer, or the general public) -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:49 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Its amazing how fast the experts forget they were beginners at one time. It has everything with being a so called expert. You could have just answered his question in a more professional manner. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol. Just saying. On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Dave Watts wrote: That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341262 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Granted. I guess I should have said something like, You didn't answer his question. Instead, you re-worded a bit of his question in a most un-helpful form. Like, You ask, is the sky blue. I answer, sky...blue...many wonder. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: That fails to address OP's question. Instead, it begs his question... I hate to get into this, but ... I don't think you're using beg the question correctly. When you beg the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I don't think it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341266 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol. Just saying. It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is what begging the question is. I use it quite often to provide simple explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I learned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341267 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Interesting. In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is on there. What is really something is that at my previous school the professors were the same way about wikipedia. Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt. On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol. Just saying. It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is what begging the question is. I use it quite often to provide simple explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I learned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341270 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Wow. This thread is FANTASTIC. Michael, you can't be so sensitive. In programming, there are a LOT of egos we all have to deal with. None of the comments were that condescending, and if they really have 18's for stats, well it might be a good idea to just listen to what they have to say. I commend you for having an opinion, but your professionalism and openness for criticism is lacking. Also, many colleges are accepting Wikipedia as a legitimate resource as long as you're staying away from subjective matter. I think Dave is probably just having fun with the fact that this thread is better than a sitcom. -Brandon On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting. In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is on there. What is really something is that at my previous school the professors were the same way about wikipedia. Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt. On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol. Just saying. It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is what begging the question is. I use it quite often to provide simple explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I learned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341272 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Interesting. In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is on there. What is really something is that at my previous school the professors were the same way about wikipedia. Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt. Sure. But if you already know something, and go to Wikipedia and it agrees with you, it's ok to point to that as an explanation of whatever it is you know. It's not suitable as a primary source - something else your professors probably mentioned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341275 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
Ok I see your point. I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint. Yes, the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off the cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who is doing the writing. In other words are they true and supported facts or pure opinion. Thanks, Mike On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Interesting. In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is on there. What is really something is that at my previous school the professors were the same way about wikipedia. Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt. Sure. But if you already know something, and go to Wikipedia and it agrees with you, it's ok to point to that as an explanation of whatever it is you know. It's not suitable as a primary source - something else your professors probably mentioned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341280 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I see your point. I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint. Yes, the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off the cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who is doing the writing. In other words are they true and supported facts or pure opinion. To the uninformed, any information source is potentially dangerous... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341297 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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LMAO. Now my sides are hurting. On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I see your point. I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint. Yes, the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off the cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who is doing the writing. In other words are they true and supported facts or pure opinion. To the uninformed, any information source is potentially dangerous... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341301 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Stop feeding the troll :-) Just do what I do and filter him to the trash where he belongs. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning Autism as it is known over there. But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off calm down and have a good think about it later. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341308 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Bobby, I know you are filtering, but if you see this post you may want to look at some of the other ones. It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have formulated opinions without really knowing me. Sorry, but thats a real dangerous line of thought if you ask me. Also, if I am a troll for caring about how we educate newer people in this work, then by all means please call me that. Mike On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bobby Hartsfield wrote: Stop feeding the troll :-) Just do what I do and filter him to the trash where he belongs. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning Autism as it is known over there. But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off calm down and have a good think about it later. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by calling them a jerk. Real professional. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341312 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote: It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have formulated opinions without really knowing me. A friend just pointed me to Michael's posts on cf-jobs so I could get to know him better... (I've tried really hard not to respond to this thread but it's getting increasingly hard to resist...) Sean ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341313 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
Actually I haven't formulated anything, so don't assume what you might think I may think. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 2:50 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location Bobby, I know you are filtering, but if you see this post you may want to look at some of the other ones. It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have formulated opinions without really knowing me. Sorry, but thats a real dangerous line of thought if you ask me. Also, if I am a troll for caring about how we educate newer people in this work, then by all means please call me that. Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341319 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
