Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Since most of my servers are Unix based I just use CRON and cURL to run a scheduled task. Here is what Cron Does... Suppose I have a job scheduled to run at 2:15 Sunday morning. When we spring ahead, there won't be a 2:15. cron will note that we sprung ahead by 60 minutes, so it will add 60 minutes to my job time getting 3:15. It will run the job at 3:15...unless the job was already scheduled to run at both 2:15 and 3:15. In that case, my job will run once at 3:15. Later in the year, we fall back. On that Sunday, it will be 2:15 twice. My job will only run at the first 2:15. If my job is scheduled to run at 15 minutes after every hour via the explicit use of an asterisk in the hour field my job will run at both 2:15's. This is not true if I use a range or a list of hours to run. Only jobs with an asterisk for the hour field run at both 2:15's. from http://www.unix.com/tips-tutorials/35535-understanding-unix-timekeeping.html (3rd post) Seems to me that the scheduled task engine could work the same way but it would be nice to get a clarification. -J.J. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote: he was responsible for DST not timezones. That was my tired brain lumping all time related annoyances together. DST was probably a good idea once but now its there to remind developers how cruel the world really is. The decision to change it, over several years, .. now that was cruel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350454 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Hard to believe an entomologist caused all this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Vernon_Hudson Byron Mann Lead Engineer and Architect Hostmysite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Hard to believe an entomologist caused all this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Vernon_Hudson Wait .. we are stuck in timezone hell because some guy wanted extra time to collect insects? -Leigh ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Sometimes it takes a while to file that bug report. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote: Hard to believe an entomologist caused all this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Vernon_Hudson Wait .. we are stuck in timezone hell because some guy wanted extra time to collect insects? -Leigh ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
we are stuck in timezone hell because some guy wanted extra time to collect insects? Not just some guy but the creator of the largest insect collection in New Zealand. Not that is makes dealing with time zones suck any less. G! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote: we are stuck in timezone hell because some guy wanted extra time to collect insects? -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
What would happen if you set up a scheduled task for 02:30 on the day that we return to standard time since there would theoretically be two 02:30's for that morning? Would it run twice? There is a simple way to make sure an application is run at least one and only one time: Say you have it schedule at 2:30. Schedule it once every hour from 2:30 to 3:31 At begining of the app: 1. check if this app was already run for today's date, if yes, abort. 2. store somewhere today's date and proceed. Normally, id there is no 2:00-3:00 hour, the application should be scheduled at 3:30 In other cases, there will be one or two extra tasks scheduled, but they will abort (gracefuly) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350411 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: Heh, ok, fine, then there are cases where you can't, but I'd be willing to bet _most_ people can, and that _would_ be simpler. Didn't say it would work 100% of the time. This assumes that people know what happens between 2-3 during DST. Many don't really think about it. Also - it happens on a weekend so often it's not as important as something that happens during the work week. Still worth knowing about though. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350413 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On 3/13/2012 8:48 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: Not just some guy but the creator of the largest insect collection in New Zealand. Not that is makes dealing with time zones suck any less. he was responsible for DST not timezones. DST was probably a good idea once but now its there to remind developers how cruel the world really is. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350416 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
he was responsible for DST not timezones. That was my tired brain lumping all time related annoyances together. DST was probably a good idea once but now its there to remind developers how cruel the world really is. The decision to change it, over several years, .. now that was cruel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. Really? Huh. Interesting. I took a quick look at the CF10 beta docs and didn't see too much detail about how that would work. I'd assume that the same would be true in the fall when that hour exists twice? -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350372 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. Really? Well, I _think_ so. ;) Huh. Interesting. I took a quick look at the CF10 beta docs and didn't see too much detail about how that would work. I'd assume that the same would be true in the fall when that hour exists twice? Afaik, yes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. If the hour for the scheduled task never arrives, that's not really a misfire is it? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. If the hour for the scheduled task never arrives, that's not really a misfire is it? This is the same thought I have. Unless CF is explicitly recognizing the key spring and fall dates and throwing it explicitly. Then, in that case, at what time would the misfire be thrown? -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
I don't know - I could see both interpretations. It was just an idea really - haven't tested any of this. :) On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. If the hour for the scheduled task never arrives, that's not really a misfire is it? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. If the hour for the scheduled task never arrives, that's not really a misfire is it? What would happen if you set up a scheduled task for 02:30 on the day that we return to standard time since there would theoretically be two 02:30's for that morning? Would it run twice? This seems to be a good reason to never set up scheduled tasks anywhere near 02:00 through 03:00. This would be a great blog post for some Adobe engineer. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roger-austin/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On 3/13/2012 2:35 AM, Roger Austin wrote: This seems to be a good reason to never set up scheduled tasks anywhere near 02:00 through 03:00. there's an easy obvious solution for these sorts of problems (ie the descent into timezone hell). - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
Wouldn't it be easy to just simply use a time outside of 2-3AM? On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.com wrote: On 3/13/2012 2:35 AM, Roger Austin wrote: This seems to be a good reason to never set up scheduled tasks anywhere near 02:00 through 03:00. there's an easy obvious solution for these sorts of problems (ie the descent into timezone hell). - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
the descent into timezone hell So I am not alone on this? Good to know. For some reason calculating time zones makes my brain hurt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIlKiRPSNGA G! On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.comwrote: there's an easy obvious solution for these sorts of problems (ie the descent into timezone hell). -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On 3/13/2012 7:58 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: Wouldn't it be easy to just simply use a time outside of 2-3AM? and suppose you can't? maybe you have to meet reporting deadlines on the other side of the world from your server? maybe that's the exact time your server needs to release food for your gators? you can't fight city hall when it comes to tz. you have to dance around them. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On 3/13/2012 8:18 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: the descent into timezone hell So I am not alone on this? Good to know. For some reason calculating time zones makes my brain hurt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIlKiRPSNGA no, you're not alone. everybody who deals with tz sooner or later falls into it. and FYI, its right next door to classpath hell, so you'll have plenty of company. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.com wrote: On 3/13/2012 7:58 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: Wouldn't it be easy to just simply use a time outside of 2-3AM? and suppose you can't? maybe you have to meet reporting deadlines on the other side of the world from your server? maybe that's the exact time your server needs to release food for your gators? you can't fight city hall when it comes to tz. you have to dance around them. Heh, ok, fine, then there are cases where you can't, but I'd be willing to bet _most_ people can, and that _would_ be simpler. Didn't say it would work 100% of the time. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
FYI, its right next door to classpath hell, so you'll have plenty of company. Heh... We must be neighbors. I was dealing with dependency hell about two weeks ago. Nice to meet you. G! On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Paul Hastings p...@sustainablegis.comwrote: On 3/13/2012 8:18 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: the descent into timezone hell So I am not alone on this? Good to know. For some reason calculating time zones makes my brain hurt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIlKiRPSNGA no, you're not alone. everybody who deals with tz sooner or later falls into it. and FYI, its right next door to classpath hell, so you'll have plenty of company. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
On 3/13/2012 9:22 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: Heh, ok, fine, then there are cases where you can't, but I'd be willing to bet _most_ people can, and that _would_ be simpler. Didn't say it would work 100% of the time. and what about creating scheduler traffic jams? you just chopped an hour out of a work day. some folks schedule stuff every 10-15 minutes all day long. yes re-scheduling it would work in many cases, but it also wouldn't work in several others. and yes, swapping to UTC server time is more work but it would solve a bunch of other tz related problems. and i suppose its fortunate that the DST change occurred during public beta. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4855 - Release Date: 03/06/12 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: PSA - Daylight Savings Time
And in theory, CF10's scheduled task service should allow you to handle that with it's onMisfire support. On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: You probably won't forget that DST changes this weekend. But you may forget that this means the hour between 2:00a and 3:00a doesn't exist on Sat night / Sun morning. So on Monday when you are wondering... *THAT* is why your 2:15am scheduled task didn't run over the weekend... -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350351 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
PSA - Daylight Savings Time
You probably won't forget that DST changes this weekend. But you may forget that this means the hour between 2:00a and 3:00a doesn't exist on Sat night / Sun morning. So on Monday when you are wondering... *THAT* is why your 2:15am scheduled task didn't run over the weekend... -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
