Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:D5C19F2F-F1F0-11D6-9787-0003939B3F7E;corfield.org... Last I heard there were still compatibility issues with mod_perl and Apache 2.0.x (and some other modules I believe)? Apache 2.0.x is great, but all the major modules are having compatibility issues, including Perl and PHP... Massimo ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
http://home.nextron.ch/coldfusion/ I believe this is the one you said you had problems with, though. At 08:42 AM 11/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone successfully built a mod_coldfusion.so for Apache 2 and Linux? We've just moved to RedHat 8.0 and had to regress back to Apache 1.3.27 (which we had to build ourselves) because Macromedia has elected not to provide support of the prior release on the current, more secure, Apache web server. We tried compiling Dwayne's modified mod_coldfusion.c, but ran into issues with the Macromedia-provided library. This will be a serious problem if 5.0 users are 'stuck' on Apache 1.3. It also sends a bad precedent regarding reasonable support periods for prior releases of Cold Fusion... ...this is definitely not 'Enterprise' software quality of support. The sad thing is that MM has the resources to provide hundreds of customers with relief with only a few hours investment in developer time to provide a 'clean' migration path to Apache 2. The question is, are customers important enough for them to do so? Well, the answer is to upgrade. Of course that is not necessarily the answer you want to hear, but common in the Computer Software world. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:jeff;farcryfly.com DotComIt, Putting you on the web AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Greg, Not really fair for a harsh demand like that. Does Netscape support version 4 of their browser? Probably not anymore. Does Microsoft support version 4 of their browser anymore? Definitely not. Their answers will most likely be upgrade to our latest and greatest! Why would Macromedia be any different from any other software provider out there? What cracks me up is that there's a lot of people that won't touch CFMX based on other people's experience. If that were true, NO ONE would upgrade to anything. Take WinXP for example, I've heard all kinds of horror stories on people upgrading, but ... I can't say that I, myself, have seen any of their issues and my upgrade went rather flawless. What's even worst is that people *knew* that cfmx was coming, people *knew* that allaire (now Macromedia) was going to be writing Neo. Heck, when I remember upgrading to CF 5 and suddenly the buzzword was Neo. I had to call up my contact inside allaire (at that time) and ask him what Neo was all about in which I was provided technical whitepapers that explained the road going forward. Then again, perhaps you've already ran into issues that I'm not aware of (and, I'd like to hear about it off-list if you have). Or, perhaps there's just no time to invest into CFMX. That being said, CFMX Apache 2 do work pretty good together. One of the issues with CFMX the latest RedHat platform (especially 7.3 and 8.0) is that the jvm acts differently on it than it did on previous versions (correct me if I'm wrong Jesse!). I can say that I know of two servers out there running CFMX, Apache 2 on RH 7.3 successfully - there were issues, but upgrading to Apache 2 took care of them. Vern V. announced that Macromedia is working on something so that the Apache Group won't break the stub files every other week when they change the magic module number. So, hopefully we'll see that soon. ~Todd On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Greg Bullough wrote: Has anyone successfully built a mod_coldfusion.so for Apache 2 and Linux? We've just moved to RedHat 8.0 and had to regress back to Apache 1.3.27 (which we had to build ourselves) because Macromedia has elected not to provide support of the prior release on the current, more secure, Apache web server. We tried compiling Dwayne's modified mod_coldfusion.c, but ran into issues with the Macromedia-provided library. This will be a serious problem if 5.0 users are 'stuck' on Apache 1.3. It also sends a bad precedent regarding reasonable support periods for prior releases of Cold Fusion... ...this is definitely not 'Enterprise' software quality of support. The sad thing is that MM has the resources to provide hundreds of customers with relief with only a few hours investment in developer time to provide a 'clean' migration path to Apache 2. The question is, are customers important enough for them to do so? Greg -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.devmx.com/ - Todd (Moderator / CoFounder) | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| Speakeasy DSL - http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/18280| ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
and the nextron thing is just for windows I believe, not linux. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jeffry Houser wrote: http://home.nextron.ch/coldfusion/ I believe this is the one you said you had problems with, though. At 08:42 AM 11/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone successfully built a mod_coldfusion.so for Apache 2 and Linux? We've just moved to RedHat 8.0 and had to regress back to Apache 1.3.27 (which we had to build ourselves) because Macromedia has elected not to provide support of the prior release on the current, more secure, Apache web server. We tried compiling Dwayne's modified mod_coldfusion.c, but ran into issues with the Macromedia-provided library. This will be a serious problem if 5.0 users are 'stuck' on Apache 1.3. It also sends a bad precedent regarding reasonable support periods for prior releases of Cold Fusion... ...this is definitely not 'Enterprise' software quality of support. The sad thing is that MM has the resources to provide hundreds of customers with relief with only a few hours investment in developer time to provide a 'clean' migration path to Apache 2. The question is, are customers important enough for them to do so? Well, the answer is to upgrade. Of course that is not necessarily the answer you want to hear, but common in the Computer Software world. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:jeff;farcryfly.com DotComIt, Putting you on the web AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
At 09:39 AM 11/6/02 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, Not really fair for a harsh demand like that. Perfectly fair. Does Netscape support version 4 of their browser? Probably not anymore. Does Microsoft support version 4 of their browser anymore? Definitely not. What a lame-brained analogy. Todd, there is a VAST difference between a browser (i.e. CLIENT) and a SERVER. CF is a server, one upon which large, complex, business systems are built. Companies who want to compete in that arena don't just abandon support of earlier releases. (Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) Their answers will most likely be upgrade to our latest and greatest! Why would Macromedia be any different from any other software provider out there? Ah yes... the 'We're no worse than anyone else' argument. What cracks me up is that there's a lot of people that won't touch CFMX based on other people's experience. What cracks me up is that you haven't seemed to figure out that an upgrade is a business...not a loyalty to Macromedia...decision. Greg ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
(Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) the last publically available service pack for what i would consider old sql server--6.5--is sp5a and was done up in dec-1998 to jan-1999. its still available but not been updated. and i'd think you'd be even harder pressed to find sql server 4 patches there. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.413 / Virus Database: 232 - Release Date: 6/11/2545 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Does Netscape support version 4 of their browser? Probably not anymore. Does Microsoft support version 4 of their browser anymore? Definitely not. What a lame-brained analogy. Todd, there is a VAST difference between Besides which, both of these are FREE. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
What a lame-brained analogy. Todd, there is a VAST difference between a browser (i.e. CLIENT) and a SERVER. CF is a server, one upon which large, complex, business systems are built. Companies who want to compete in that arena don't just abandon support of earlier releases. (Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) Ok, I understand your argument and you're right. I agree with this. However, this rolls into the issue that... well, what do they do with people that are using CF 4.x, etc.? Do they have to support those people as well? Macromedia is _NOT_ microsoft, I doubt they have anywhere near the MONEY / PEOPLE / SUPPORT for that kind of tech support. What cracks me up is that you haven't seemed to figure out that an upgrade is a business...not a loyalty to Macromedia...decision. I totally agree that upgrading is a business decision, but someone should have decided that upgrading to Apache 2 is a serious business decision and discuss the ramifications of anything DEPENDENT on the webserver. Is Apache 1.3.7 any less secure than Apache 2.x? I'm asking here, I'm not being smart. Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? I've seen MORE security issues with 2.0 lately than I have with 1.3.x (and, I would have to say that 1.3.x is the mature software here). So, now what? The business decision here in my opinion should be, Great, do we move from Apache 1 CF 5 to Apache 2 and CFMX? Get my point? ~Todd -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.devmx.com/ - Todd (Moderator / CoFounder) | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| Speakeasy DSL - http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/18280| ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
I am totally confused, I just took a quick peak at this thread - but how does a patch for sql server have anything to do with Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:paul;tei.or.th] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? (Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) the last publically available service pack for what i would consider old sql server--6.5--is sp5a and was done up in dec-1998 to jan-1999. its still available but not been updated. and i'd think you'd be even harder pressed to find sql server 4 patches there. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.413 / Virus Database: 232 - Release Date: 6/11/2545 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Again. I am totally confused. -Original Message- From: Craig Thomas [mailto:craig;januzzithomas.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? Does Netscape support version 4 of their browser? Probably not anymore. Does Microsoft support version 4 of their browser anymore? Definitely not. What a lame-brained analogy. Todd, there is a VAST difference between Besides which, both of these are FREE. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Paul Hastings wrote: (Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) the last publically available service pack for what i would consider old sql server--6.5--is sp5a and was done up in dec-1998 to jan-1999. its still available but not been updated. and i'd think you'd be even harder pressed to find sql server 4 patches there. Let's not forget that SQL 6.5 is REALLY REALLY OLD.. I'm pretty sure they were using SQL Server 6.5 at my first job out of college in 1995. Cold Fusion 5.0 is only what... 18 months old? I run CF5, I'm not willing to upgrade at this time to CFMX (because the fact is that my little tiny business cannot afford the upgrade), but I'd still like to run the newer Apache... Oh well. - Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? apache 2 is not considered beta anymore. Why is 1.3 still being maintained? Because the ASF knows that some people do not want to do a major upgrade so they still maintain the old version. That is, I think, one of the points of this discussion. - Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Greg's point of view was they're both 'servers' (read: not client apps) ~Todd On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Rob Rohan wrote: I am totally confused, I just took a quick peak at this thread - but how does a patch for sql server have anything to do with Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:paul;tei.or.th] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? (Note: Microsoft still patches older releases of SQL Server.) the last publically available service pack for what i would consider old sql server--6.5--is sp5a and was done up in dec-1998 to jan-1999. its still available but not been updated. and i'd think you'd be even harder pressed to find sql server 4 patches there. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.413 / Virus Database: 232 - Release Date: 6/11/2545 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? No, Apache 2 is gold, and is the recommended platform according to the Apache Group. This is especially true if you're running Apache on Windows - Apache 1.3.x was always considered beta quality on Windows by the Apache Group. If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? I've seen MORE security issues with 2.0 lately than I have with 1.3.x (and, I would have to say that 1.3.x is the mature software here). There are a lot of people sticking with Apache 1.3.x, as far as I can tell. There have been a lot of significant changes in the module architecture in Apache 2, and you can't get all the modules that are available on Apache 1.3.x. Also, to add to that, there have been significant changes between Apache 2 point releases, which is why CFMX doesn't work with 2.0.42, for example. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Yeah, and the latest and greatest apache is 2.0.43 ... and, until Macromedia figures out what to do to resolve the magic number that continues to keep changing, nothing can be done about that. Vern mentioned that they are working on it (for the next updater?) On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Dave Watts wrote: Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? No, Apache 2 is gold, and is the recommended platform according to the Apache Group. This is especially true if you're running Apache on Windows - Apache 1.3.x was always considered beta quality on Windows by the Apache Group. If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? I've seen MORE security issues with 2.0 lately than I have with 1.3.x (and, I would have to say that 1.3.x is the mature software here). There are a lot of people sticking with Apache 1.3.x, as far as I can tell. There have been a lot of significant changes in the module architecture in Apache 2, and you can't get all the modules that are available on Apache 1.3.x. Also, to add to that, there have been significant changes between Apache 2 point releases, which is why CFMX doesn't work with 2.0.42, for example. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
Yeah, and the latest and greatest apache is 2.0.43 ... and, until Macromedia figures out what to do to resolve the magic number that continues to keep changing, nothing can be done about that. Vern mentioned that they are working on it (for the next updater?) According to previous posts by Vernon, the real solution will come when MM provides the source code for the module, so that we can compile it ourselves. I'm not sure if that'll make the next updater. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
We've figured out what to do, just trying to get it all ship-shape to get it out to ya! -Vern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:todd;web-rat.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? Yeah, and the latest and greatest apache is 2.0.43 ... and, until Macromedia figures out what to do to resolve the magic number that continues to keep changing, nothing can be done about that. Vern mentioned that they are working on it (for the next updater?) On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Dave Watts wrote: Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? No, Apache 2 is gold, and is the recommended platform according to the Apache Group. This is especially true if you're running Apache on Windows - Apache 1.3.x was always considered beta quality on Windows by the Apache Group. If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? I've seen MORE security issues with 2.0 lately than I have with 1.3.x (and, I would have to say that 1.3.x is the mature software here). There are a lot of people sticking with Apache 1.3.x, as far as I can tell. There have been a lot of significant changes in the module architecture in Apache 2, and you can't get all the modules that are available on Apache 1.3.x. Also, to add to that, there have been significant changes between Apache 2 point releases, which is why CFMX doesn't work with 2.0.42, for example. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
On Wednesday, Nov 6, 2002, at 15:29 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote: There are a lot of people sticking with Apache 1.3.x, as far as I can tell. Last I heard there were still compatibility issues with mod_perl and Apache 2.0.x (and some other modules I believe)? That's why we're moving to a two-tier web server process architecture: Apache 2.0.x - dispatching requests to: Apache 1.3.27 - HTML / GIF / mod_perl etc Listening on loopback on same server CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4 - for .cfm / .cfc On separate server(s) SOAP is not so much a means of transmitting data but a mechanism for calling COM objects over the Web. -- not Microsoft (surprisingly!) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
