Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
It would sure be handy if Adobe would update their FAQ page with the most current supported of Java... it's hard to justify moving to version XXX if it's not officially supported by Adobe. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodescigrafx.com/blog ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333650 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
It would sure be handy if Adobe would update their FAQ page with the most current supported of Java... it's hard to justify moving to version XXX if it's not officially supported by Adobe. They only do that if they've tested the new JVM, which doesn't happen in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333651 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
Ok, I'm not starting a war or anything here... I agree with Dave as to the fact that it doesn't happen in most cases. But I believe it should. If you code something that uses underlying code/structure/etc made by someone else and that code/structure/etc gets updated due to security issues/etc, then you should validate your stuff against the new version. If it works then great support it, suggest that people upgrade and give the clients instructions on how to implement it with you system as well as how to remove the older version that you installed with your product. If it doesn't work, then create a hotfix/updater/etc that will make it work. I mean if you built something based off of ProgramX, you installed ProgramX on my computer and then the creators of ProgramX determine that it will do something like give hackers credit card numbers and pins, but when they produce a fix you don't support it, then I think you are responsible when my credit card numbers are released. After all, your install put the bad software on my system. I mean after all, if you buy a car with a defective part (every car has a defective part not just 1), they recall the car and replace the part. The responsibility lies both with the automaker and the parts manufacturer. Just my .02. Feel free to ignore. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:13 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use? It would sure be handy if Adobe would update their FAQ page with the most current supported of Java... it's hard to justify moving to version XXX if it's not officially supported by Adobe. They only do that if they've tested the new JVM, which doesn't happen in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333653 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
Right... I'm thinking back to the release of 8 (or 8.01) with an early version of JVM 6. This JVM had known issues with classes and such with CFC and memory scope intensive apps. Did Adobe every officially support _10 or so that fixed that? In addition, security fixes do eventually come down the pipe, and it'd be nice if instead of just trying XX release of the JVM, that Adobe could say yep, we only support _xx, you'll be fine to move to that. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333659 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Matthew Williams mai...@geodesicgrafx.com wrote: Right... I'm thinking back to the release of 8 (or 8.01) with an early version of JVM 6. This JVM had known issues with classes and such with CFC and memory scope intensive apps. Functionally, the supported JVM worked just fine and had undergone Adobe's full test suite process. Yes, that JVM had a class loading bug that caused performance problems for a certain class of CFML applications (frankly, a small percentage of real-world apps) but it caused the same problems for non-CFML apps too in some situations. For the vast majority of CFers, CF8/8.01 on that supported JVM was just fine. Did Adobe every officially support _10 or so that fixed that? No, but please don't underestimate the resources needed to fully QA a new combination of system components. Adobe (and Macromedia before them) have long provided instructions on how to upgrade the JVM for ColdFusion but it's always been clear that only a few combinations are officially supported. That makes perfect sense from a business p.o.v., especially when *most* CFers were not running into the class loading performance bug. In addition, security fixes do eventually come down the pipe, and it'd be nice if instead of just trying XX release of the JVM, that Adobe could say yep, we only support _xx, you'll be fine to move to that. And I'm sure if a critical security fix for the JVM appeared, Adobe would treat it like any other critical security issue around ColdFusion and issue a Hot Fix (as they just did this week). Considering there are CFers out there who view their applications as too mission critical to upgrade ColdFusion under the hood, I'm surprised people aren't a bit more sympathetic to the same issue when it's on the other side of the fence. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333663 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
I would recommend anything later than updater 10. Just make sure you get the JDK and not just the JRE. I'm using 1.6.0_12 on my CF8 servers. ~Brad Original Message Subject: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use? From: Nathan Chen nathan.c...@cu.edu Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:08 pm To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com I am using CF 8 and the System Info page shows the Java Version is 1.6.0_01 and Java VM Version is 1.6.0_01b-06. Is that the latest java CF should use? If not, what's the latest one? Is it the Version 6 Update 20 on java.com? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use?
We just implemented 6.20 (1.6.0_20) on a new server with CF 8.0.1 and it's running fine. On 5/12/2010 5:24 PM, b...@bradwood.com wrote: I would recommend anything later than updater 10. Just make sure you get the JDK and not just the JRE. I'm using 1.6.0_12 on my CF8 servers. ~Brad Original Message Subject: What is the version of Java SDK CF should use? From: Nathan Chennathan.c...@cu.edu Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:08 pm To: cf-talkcf-talk@houseoffusion.com I am using CF 8 and the System Info page shows the Java Version is 1.6.0_01 and Java VM Version is 1.6.0_01b-06. Is that the latest java CF should use? If not, what's the latest one? Is it the Version 6 Update 20 on java.com? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
