RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Joe, as Vern pointing out, the CF and Flash Remoting team are two separate teams. So resources to Flash Remoting do not necessarily mean less resources for CFMX. However, I completely understand where you are coming from. You want to ensure that CFMX is the best product available (as do we). That is why vern suggested the wish list, as it helps us prioritize issues. As you have probably noticed, we are also very engaged in the forum, and vern will be consolidating all of this input and present it to the appropriate people and teams. hope that helps... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Importance: High Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...? We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont think that will happen till next year... and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff? Joe -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development. Nite Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Isn't there a Flash Remoting Java server shipped with EJB's now? Are there any code samples floating around that I could peek at to see if I want to try it out? For some reason, doing the remoting stuff in Java peaks my interest more than with CF. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 2:57:46 PM, you wrote: SAC On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 07:25 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: I also expect a response when I ask questions like Why does Flash Remoting in CFMX Enterprise not work with Java? SAC You've had a response to that - you just didn't like what you heard! SAC The response is Flash Remoting as supplied with CFMX Enterprise is SAC designed to enable Flash / ColdFusion communication. It is not SAC intended to enable Flash / Java communication. SAC Now, you may not like that answer and you may not agree with the SAC rationale behind it, but *did* get a response to that question! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
You've had a response to that - you just didn't like what you heard! Come on now, that isn't true and you know it. Don't make me come after you with my IM logs. The response is Flash Remoting as supplied with CFMX Enterprise is designed to enable Flash / ColdFusion communication. It is not intended to enable Flash / Java communication. And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why? Because... 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with CFMX 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on top of JRun 4 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would explicitly say it Now, you may not like that answer and you may not agree with the rationale behind it, but *did* get a response to that question! It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the rational behind it yourself. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 13:43 US/Pacific, jon hall wrote: Isn't there a Flash Remoting Java server shipped with EJB's now? There is a Flash Remoting for J2EE product, yes: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashremoting/ Are there any code samples floating around that I could peek at to see if I want to try it out? For some reason, doing the remoting stuff in Java peaks my interest more than with CF. See above. Also see: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash_remoting/tutorial_index.html An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why? It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with CFMX 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on top of JRun 4 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would explicitly say it Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making comments about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my answer is absolutely correct. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the rational behind it yourself. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
If you have CFMX for J2EE can you remote directly to Java objects or do you need a second flash gateway? (Having to also purchase Flash remoting for Java) Sorry if this was already answered but it's a long thread! Stace -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why? It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with CFMX 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on top of JRun 4 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would explicitly say it Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making comments about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my answer is absolutely correct. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the rational behind it yourself. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and Java from the same application server. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! If you have CFMX for J2EE can you remote directly to Java objects or do you need a second flash gateway? (Having to also purchase Flash remoting for Java) Sorry if this was already answered but it's a long thread! Stace -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 15:09 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: And as I responded in IM, that isn't answer. Why? It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! 1. If that was true I could buy Flash Remoting for J2EE and use it with CFMX 2. If that was true then it would work with CFMX for J2EE sitting on top of JRun 4 3. If that was true then the license and the documentation would explicitly say it Hang on, you ask about CFMX *ENTERPRISE* and then start making comments about different products! Let's stick to the original question and my answer is absolutely correct. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! It wasn't a response; it was a copout since you don't even know the rational behind it yourself. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is supposed to be a solution to a problem; not wibble. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! Just to recap here... * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications, which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it last time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what it is. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
While I haven't used Remoting for Java to any great extent. Could you not operate two flash gateways? (CFMX and Java) Although even if it is possible it's kind of ridiculous from a cost perspective. If you buy CFMX for J2EE you should be able to remote to both CFMX and Java objects. Considering it's priced per processor I don't see that being much of a stretch for MM's product offering. Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is supposed to be a solution to a problem; not wibble. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! Just to recap here... * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications, which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it last time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what it is. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
It appears to break the CFMX license to install Flash Remoting for J2EE on top of CFMX. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! While I haven't used Remoting for Java to any great extent. Could you not operate two flash gateways? (CFMX and Java) Although even if it is possible it's kind of ridiculous from a cost perspective. If you buy CFMX for J2EE you should be able to remote to both CFMX and Java objects. Considering it's priced per processor I don't see that being much of a stretch for MM's product offering. Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! It *is* an answer. Saying wibble would be an answer. I never claimed it was a helpful answer! Well if that's the best you can do never mind. Why even waste anyone's time with responses that aren't helpful? In my book, an answer is supposed to be a solution to a problem; not wibble. As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! Just to recap here... * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in JRun * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX Enterprise with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with Java in CFMX J2EE with Flash Remoting J2EE * Flash Remoting doesn't work with CF in Flash Remoting J2EE Macromedia is pushing the whole idea of Rich Internet Applications, which are supposed to be built using Flash Remoting. Yet it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. Well I'm glad you figured out the rational since you didn't know it last time we talked. Maybe one day Macromedia will actual respond with what it is. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting. To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Thanks Stace, Not to split hairs, but all feature requests and bugs are product management issues in the big picture. =) So that product management knows the scope/numbers of folks wanting/needing remoting available to both CF and Java at the same time, it's important for each person to file the request. I'll include this issue in the information I relay back internally - but, it really helps make whatever I say have more punch, if it's backed up by customer filed feature requests (and bug reports for those issues). I mean, they like my reports, but they like my reports even better, when other data backs up what I'm reporting. =) Thanks (really!) -Vern -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Matt, Just because something may be intentional doesn't mean it's not a valid request. Please see my other note regarding the importance of officially putting in your $.02 (or maybe $.04 in your case). Thanks! -Vern To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE app server? Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting. To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Done. -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, Just because something may be intentional doesn't mean it's not a valid request. Please see my other note regarding the importance of officially putting in your $.02 (or maybe $.04 in your case). Thanks! -Vern To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java classes from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX you run or what J2EE server you run it on. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE app server? Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting. To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Guess my question wasn't clear. Two scenarios we were discussing. 1) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE. Accessing CF and underlying java (Can't do) 2) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE + Remoting for Java installed on same box. (offering two flash gateways) My question was in regards to scenario 2. I can't see how it can be disabled for the Remoting for Java unless it's JRun specific. Anyway thanks for your input. Considering I can not meet your intellectual level, continuing this discussion is futile! Cheers -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java classes from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX you run or what J2EE server you run it on. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE app server? Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting. To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:45 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and Java from the same application server. That is not what I said. You're just twisting people's words. I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development. Nite Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:44 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: In my book, an answer is supposed to be a solution to a problem; not wibble. Yeah? Well, not everyone reads your book... * Flash Remoting doesn't work... Blah, blah, blah. OK, now you're really just being annoying. I've defended you against a lot of people but I've had enough now. Yet it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. Actually, you're wrong. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how to do it since you seem to be able to figure out all sorts of 'clever' hacks with our products! Yes, you *can* make this work but, yes, you do have to violate the license agreement to make it happen. As Vern said, submit a feature request (thanx Stacy!). If enough people want it... Sean (who has had quite enough of all the anti-MM flames today and is exercising his leeway to be less than politic in response). ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Without getting too deep into the details, Flash Remoting is implemented with an EAR that captures requests with a specific servlet mapping. Since you can only have one of these servlet mappings per container, you can only use one Flash Remoting EAR per container. If you use the EAR provided with CFMX then you can't use Flash Remoting with Java. If you use the EAR provided with JRun 4 or Flash Remoting for J2EE you would need to overwrite the EAR supplied with CFMX. Changing/overwriting any of the supplied Java classes is a violation of the license agreement and thus can't be done. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Guess my question wasn't clear. Two scenarios we were discussing. 1) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE. Accessing CF and underlying java (Can't do) 2) Remoting on CFMX on J2EE + Remoting for Java installed on same box. (offering two flash gateways) My question was in regards to scenario 2. I can't see how it can be disabled for the Remoting for Java unless it's JRun specific. Anyway thanks for your input. Considering I can not meet your intellectual level, continuing this discussion is futile! Cheers -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! I don't know how to say it more clearly. You cannot access Java classes from Flash Remoting using CFMX. It doesn't matter what version of CFMX you run or what J2EE server you run it on. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Oh. Sorry my bad. That's not cool. Is this JRun specific or any J2EE app server? Stace -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Again, running CFMX on J2EE does not allow you to access Java classes using Flash Remoting even if you run it on top of JRun 4, which does provide access to Java classes using Flash Remoting. To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Joe, I don't want to sound overly defensive, but, to respond to your points... The development teams are two different groups, so, addressing both aren't mutually exclusive, and could very well happen concurrently (but not necessarily). and... The subject was brought up here, so I thought it would be good to reply here. Additionally, it looked like a great opportunity to emphasize why it's important to use the feature request and bug report form, even though Macromedia personnel watch this list. -Vern -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
You wrote... The response is Flash Remoting as supplied with CFMX Enterprise is designed to enable Flash / ColdFusion communication. It is not intended to enable Flash / Java communication. And... As for your assumptions above, I have no idea about (1) and I don't know why you think a Java product would necessarily provide CFMX functionality (how would it know about CF code?). I know how to make (2) work but I don't think you can do it without violating the license. As for (3), the license and documentation could itemize a lot of things the product doesn't do but it would never be a complete list so it would be pointless! And... Again, it *was* a response - you just don't like that response. As for the rationale, yes, I know exactly why you can't access Java code through the CFMX Enterprise built-in Flash Remoting gateway. Unfortunately (for you), I am not at liberty to divulge why that is. I wrote... According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and Java from the same application server. Seems to be accurate. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 20:45 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: According to Sean, there is no way to use Flash Remoting with CF and Java from the same application server. That is not what I said. You're just twisting people's words. I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Actually, you're wrong. I'm surprised you haven't figured out how to do it since you seem to be able to figure out all sorts of 'clever' hacks with our products! Yes, you *can* make this work but, yes, you do have to violate the license agreement to make it happen. I have figured out how to technically make it work, but as you say it would violate the license, so I can't really do it now can I? -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...? We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont think that will happen till next year... and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff? Joe -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development. Nite Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
I ran into a couple of hurdles, yes...but I haven't rushed into porting old apps yet 'cause I follow the if it ain't broke, don't fix it motto. I've been using cfmx extensively for new projects with great success minus those hurdles. I've also found my share of bugs and workarounds...and I get frustrated whenever Apache releases a new version but...that's life...I've voiced my opinion and that's that...hopefully they opt for a more flexible model. From a product management perspective u gotta take into account the effects a 1.0 release can have on your timeline...Expect the unexpected...and if don't have the bandwidth to handle roadblocks...then wait till the product matures before jumping in head first and promising management the stars. This goes for any product. Best of luck, Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...? We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont think that will happen till next year... and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff? Joe -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development. Nite Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
