Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-23 Thread Claude Schnéegans

 I think if you have FP installed and you use IE and
you have things configured a certain way, FP will just try to see if
the site supports FP Extensions.

Ok, but then, if he is using IE, shouldn't MSIE appear somewhere in the user 
agent ?
IF the user agent is Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MS FrontPage 14.0) is the guy 
really using IE?


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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-23 Thread Claude Schnéegans

 Why on earth would you forbid HEAD?

I thought it was, because the response was not 200, but it is not.
The response is actaully 206, which is normal.


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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-23 Thread Dave Watts

  I think if you have FP installed and you use IE and
  you have things configured a certain way, FP will just try to see if
  the site supports FP Extensions.

 Ok, but then, if he is using IE, shouldn't MSIE appear somewhere in the user 
 agent ?
 IF the user agent is Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MS FrontPage 14.0) is the guy 
 really using IE?

I have no idea, but I do know that lots of things have historically
identified themselves as Mozilla for compatibility reasons. Maybe FP
has a built-in web browsing interface. Maybe it's Visual Studio, which
also has (had?) the ability to use FP server extensions.

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SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Claude Schnéegans

Hi,
My sites are hit on a regular basis by this agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MS 
FrontPage 14.0)
- it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in my sites;
- it makes requests for pages that does not exist, like
 - /_vti_inf.html
 - /_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc
The result is that the visitors are tagged as bad bot.
What are they looking for?
Should I let them go or what?


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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Matt Quackenbush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_FrontPage


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:26 AM,  wrote:


 Hi,
 My sites are hit on a regular basis by this agent: Mozilla/4.0
 (compatible; MS FrontPage 14.0)
 - it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in my
 sites;
 - it makes requests for pages that does not exist, like
  - /_vti_inf.html
  - /_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc
 The result is that the visitors are tagged as bad bot.
 What are they looking for?
 Should I let them go or what?


 

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Dave Watts

 My sites are hit on a regular basis by this agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; 
 MS FrontPage 14.0)
 - it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in my 
 sites;
 - it makes requests for pages that does not exist, like
  - /_vti_inf.html
  - /_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc
 The result is that the visitors are tagged as bad bot.
 What are they looking for?
 Should I let them go or what?

FrontPage is an HTML authoring tool from Microsoft. It's no longer
available, and is famous for crappy HTML. It uses WebDAV to publish to
sites. The HTTP verbs it's using are WebDAV verbs. It's looking for
FrontPage Extensions.

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Dave Watts

 - it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in my 
 sites;

Why on earth would you forbid HEAD?

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Claude Schnéegans

 FrontPage is an HTML authoring tool from Microsoft.

So, do I suppose well if I suppose the user is trying to see if he can edit my 
site if it is accessible to FrontPage and is not protected?


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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Scott Stewart

Front Page is an abomination made by Microsoft a few years ago, It was a 
piss poor attempt at drag/drop HTML.
The only thing worse than Front Page were the IIS extensions that would 
routinely bring IIS to it's knees, or blow up IIS entirely.

It looks like someone is trying to hit your sites with a Front Page 
Editor or trying to find the FP specific files/folders to attempt an 
exploit.

deny.. deny...deny

Every time someone uses MS Front Page, a kitten dies..

On 2/22/2013 11:26 AM, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans wrote:
 Hi,
 My sites are hit on a regular basis by this agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; 
 MS FrontPage 14.0)
 - it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in my 
 sites;
 - it makes requests for pages that does not exist, like
   - /_vti_inf.html
   - /_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc
 The result is that the visitors are tagged as bad bot.
 What are they looking for?
 Should I let them go or what?


 

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Russ Michaels

Frontpage was not originally development by Microsoft, they bought ir or
 the original company, realised Frontpage was an abomination and dumped it.
It has been discontinued and unsupported for many years, it has all kinds
of security issues.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Scott Stewart
webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:


 Front Page is an abomination made by Microsoft a few years ago, It was a
 piss poor attempt at drag/drop HTML.
 The only thing worse than Front Page were the IIS extensions that would
 routinely bring IIS to it's knees, or blow up IIS entirely.

 It looks like someone is trying to hit your sites with a Front Page
 Editor or trying to find the FP specific files/folders to attempt an
 exploit.

 deny.. deny...deny

 Every time someone uses MS Front Page, a kitten dies..

 On 2/22/2013 11:26 AM, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans wrote:
  Hi,
  My sites are hit on a regular basis by this agent: Mozilla/4.0
 (compatible; MS FrontPage 14.0)
  - it makes requests with methods OPTIONS or HEAD which are forbiden in
 my sites;
  - it makes requests for pages that does not exist, like
- /_vti_inf.html
- /_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc
  The result is that the visitors are tagged as bad bot.
  What are they looking for?
  Should I let them go or what?
 
 
 

 

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Gerald Guido

  Front Page is an abomination made by Microsoft a few years ago,

As we used to say back in the day: Friends don't let friends use
FrontPage. IIRC it dates back to '95. It mangled code. The only thing
worse was NetScape's authoring tool which rendered HTML utterly unreadable.

A the bad old days === SHUDDER.

G!


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:

  It was a
 piss poor attempt at drag/drop HTML.





-- 
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http://www.myinternetisbroken.com


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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Dave Watts

 So, do I suppose well if I suppose the user is trying to see if he can edit 
 my site if it is accessible to FrontPage and is not protected?

Not necessarily. I think if you have FP installed and you use IE and
you have things configured a certain way, FP will just try to see if
the site supports FP Extensions. I think that's more likely than
someone actively looking for FP sites nowadays.

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Re: SOT, but... what the heck is MS FrontPage?

2013-02-22 Thread Andrew Grosset

  Front Page is an abomination made by Microsoft a few years ago,

As we used to say back in the day: Friends don't let friends use
FrontPage. IIRC it dates back to '95. It mangled code. The only thing
worse was NetScape's authoring tool which rendered HTML utterly unreadable.

A the bad old days === SHUDDER.

G!


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Scott Stewart 
webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote:

  It was a
 piss poor attempt at drag/drop HTML.





-- 
Gerald Guido
http://www.myinternetisbroken.com 

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