Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
I've been working with .GOV as a shared CF server admin since the beginning of '06 for EPA, and the impression I've always been given is that our branch is only interested in enterprise solutions. Even the FOSS apps that are being run are the Enterprise variants (Solaris, RHEL, etc). If there's no large vendor behind supporting the product, no one wants to own the project of putting it in place and having a potential failure. In the last year it's begun to change with the inclusion of PHP (but only cake-php CMS), and some facebook integration apps, but it still remains pretty much an enterprise only shop. Not that I'm going to complain, I hope that they keep CF around for at least another 5-10 year ;). Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340740 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
At a big Gov agency I am fighting the good fight to implement Mura but the superiors wana spend money on a CMS so they are looking at some CF COTS products. It's a bummer cause I really LOVE Mura. That said the agency is FOR SURE keeping ACF for its public facing stuff. On the inside they are mixed (CF,.NET, VB, SAS the list is huge...), but thank goodness that their using ACF for the external stuff, it's the only 'glue' (that I wana use) to easily consume all the internal data they want to push to the public. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Matthew Williams mai...@geodesicgrafx.comwrote: I've been working with .GOV as a shared CF server admin since the beginning of '06 for EPA, and the impression I've always been given is that our branch is only interested in enterprise solutions. Even the FOSS apps that are being run are the Enterprise variants (Solaris, RHEL, etc). If there's no large vendor behind supporting the product, no one wants to own the project of putting it in place and having a potential failure. In the last year it's begun to change with the inclusion of PHP (but only cake-php CMS), and some facebook integration apps, but it still remains pretty much an enterprise only shop. Not that I'm going to complain, I hope that they keep CF around for at least another 5-10 year ;). Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
Is this really that big of a deal? Or is that what you are trying to find out? According to the Adobe folks that sales were strong for CF 8 and that the market share and/or numbers of developers is growing. Are we just tormenting ourselves with another round of CFID related FUD? thanx G! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: I saw Blue River (the Mura folks) tweet this today: http://twitter.com/#!/brinteractive/statuses/25246946570534912http://twitter.com/#%21/brinteractive/statuses/25246946570534912 They reference the Washington Post article about the House migrating 520 websites from a mix of proprietary and open-source content management platforms to Drupal. The other day, I saw a job post on a CFUG list looking for a Java architect with CF experience to lead a migration from ColdFusion to Java for a federal agency in the Bay Area, California. I don't want to start one of those interminable CF is dying threads but I am curious as to how many people had seen these stories and what they thought in the context of the US government following many other world governments in a push for FOSS (Free Open Source Software) solutions? I'm also curious about how Drupal and, say, Mura or FarCry compare since I'm not familiar enough with all of them to make such a comparison. The government has always been a pretty strong area for ColdFusion (does someone here know how long ColdFusion has been so deeply embedded in government? I get the impression it long predates my exposure to ColdFusion - 2001). At CFUnited in 2009, a government IT guy approached me and told me his department had been mandated to move to FOSS and he was researching a proposal to cross-train his team in PHP and rewrite all their CFML applications. How many folks here work within the government and can comment on this sort of thing? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
Can you give some examples of CMS solutions that are losing support? I don't know if I can get into specifics, but basically everything that's not on that list is losing support. CF has been in use by the federal government practically as long as it's existed - we were working on government projects back in CF 2.0 Thanx. I knew it was a long relationship but I didn't know when it started. Well, not to toot our own horn, but I think that Fig Leaf Software is at least partially responsible for this. We were (and are) big boosters of CF: we started the first user group here and ran it for many years, and many of the attendees were government employees. But there are lots of other reasons why CF has always been popular - it was first to market and had the chance to take hold in many agencies, and while companies come and go, the government is around forever. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340785 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Is this really that big of a deal? Or is that what you are trying to find out? I'm genuinely interested in hearing from folks with insight into government agency IT departments and so far the feedback has been very positive (which is good). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340793 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
I'm genuinely interested in hearing from folks with insight into government agency IT departments As am I. and so far the feedback has been very positive (which is good). Pls let us know what you find out if it is not included on this thread, if at all possible. Thank you sir, G! On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Is this really that big of a deal? Or is that what you are trying to find out? I'm genuinely interested in hearing from folks with insight into government agency IT departments and so far the feedback has been very positive (which is good). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340795 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Pls let us know what you find out if it is not included on this thread, if at all possible. I've had a couple of private emails containing information I'm not allowed to share because, well, they probably shouldn't have shared it with me. But nothing negative about CFML, so that's all good too... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340802 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
US Government moving to Drupal?
I saw Blue River (the Mura folks) tweet this today: http://twitter.com/#!/brinteractive/statuses/25246946570534912 They reference the Washington Post article about the House migrating 520 websites from a mix of proprietary and open-source content management platforms to Drupal. The other day, I saw a job post on a CFUG list looking for a Java architect with CF experience to lead a migration from ColdFusion to Java for a federal agency in the Bay Area, California. I don't want to start one of those interminable CF is dying threads but I am curious as to how many people had seen these stories and what they thought in the context of the US government following many other world governments in a push for FOSS (Free Open Source Software) solutions? I'm also curious about how Drupal and, say, Mura or FarCry compare since I'm not familiar enough with all of them to make such a comparison. The government has always been a pretty strong area for ColdFusion (does someone here know how long ColdFusion has been so deeply embedded in government? I get the impression it long predates my exposure to ColdFusion - 2001). At CFUnited in 2009, a government IT guy approached me and told me his department had been mandated to move to FOSS and he was researching a proposal to cross-train his team in PHP and rewrite all their CFML applications. How many folks here work within the government and can comment on this sort of thing? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340718 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
They should just switch to Railo and be instantly FOSS with CFML nbsp;:) FTR, nbsp;I still love farcry as a CMS I find it's code base very nice to work with and extend. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jan 12, 2011 8:54 PM, Sean Corfield lt;seancorfi...@gmail.comgt; wrote: I saw Blue River (the Mura folks) tweet this today: http://twitter.com/#!/brinteractive/statuses/25246946570534912 They reference the Washington Post article about the House migrating 520 websites from a mix of proprietary and open-source content management platforms to Drupal. The other day, I saw a job post on a CFUG list looking for a Java architect with CF experience to lead a migration from ColdFusion to Java for a federal agency in the Bay Area, California. I don't want to start one of those interminable CF is dying threads but I am curious as to how many people had seen these stories and what they thought in the context of the US government following many other world governments in a push for FOSS (Free Open Source Software) solutions? I'm also curious about how Drupal and, say, Mura or FarCry compare since I'm not familiar enough with all of them to make such a comparison. The government has always been a pretty strong area for ColdFusion (does someone here know how long ColdFusion has been so deeply embedded in government? I get the impression it long predates my exposure to ColdFusion - 2001). At CFUnited in 2009, a government IT guy approached me and told me his department had been mandated to move to FOSS and he was researching a proposal to cross-train his team in PHP and rewrite all their CFML applications. How many folks here work within the government and can comment on this sort of thing? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340719 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
On 13 January 2011 12:53, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to start one of those interminable CF is dying threads but I am curious as to how many people had seen these stories and what they thought in the context of the US government following many other world governments in a push for FOSS (Free Open Source Software) solutions? I'm also curious about how Drupal and, say, Mura or FarCry compare since I'm not familiar enough with all of them to make such a comparison. For what it's worth, FarCry[1] compares very admirably with Drupal. I suspect that the move to FOSS in many minds means a move away from Adobe ColdFusion (and other commercial servers), rather than a lack of comparable application options such as robust publishing frameworks. Ideally someone would be out there plugging away at preserving CFML installations by promoting a FOSS CFML application server :) -- geoff bowers Director Daemon Internet Consultants Sydney, Australia p. +612 8090 9394 skype. gb.daemon w. http://www.daemon.com.au/ e. mod...@daemon.com.au [1]: http://www.farcrycore.org/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
We started using CF while I was working at HUD in 1997. On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: The government has always been a pretty strong area for ColdFusion (does someone here know how long ColdFusion has been so deeply embedded in government? I get the impression it long predates my exposure to ColdFusion - 2001). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340721 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
They reference the Washington Post article about the House migrating 520 websites from a mix of proprietary and open-source content management platforms to Drupal. Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. They're not just moving to Drupal - they're limiting the vendors who can provide solutions for websites hosted by the US Senate Sergeant-at-Arms (which is basically the iSP for the Senate and the House). We're currently working with several Senators, Representatives and committees there on their current sites. I don't think CF is going anywhere - it will still be one of the hosting options for these sites. But the SAA is no longer going to support most of the currently deployed CMS solutions. I don't want to start one of those interminable CF is dying threads but I am curious as to how many people had seen these stories and what they thought in the context of the US government following many other world governments in a push for FOSS (Free Open Source Software) solutions? I'm also curious about how Drupal and, say, Mura or FarCry compare since I'm not familiar enough with all of them to make such a comparison. The government has always been a pretty strong area for ColdFusion (does someone here know how long ColdFusion has been so deeply embedded in government? I get the impression it long predates my exposure to ColdFusion - 2001). At CFUnited in 2009, a government IT guy approached me and told me his department had been mandated to move to FOSS and he was researching a proposal to cross-train his team in PHP and rewrite all their CFML applications. How many folks here work within the government and can comment on this sort of thing? I don't think it's especially useful to talk about the government as if it were a monolithic entity - agencies and departments within agencies often have a lot of control of what they use. But to the extent that we can ... CF has been in use by the federal government practically as long as it's existed - we were working on government projects back in CF 2.0 days. CF has always been very popular with the government as well - more, I think, than with private industry. It's still popular too. We're located in DC, and the government has always been a big part of our business. If you do a search for CF jobs, you'll find that DC is the hot spot for them. I do think that, for a lot of agencies that have lagged behind in deploying web apps, those agencies are more likely to go with F/OSS solutions, just because they haven't had the budget to do these things before. These agencies tend to be smaller. But CF is still going strong in the federal space, both in development and sales. There's a lot of generalization in my response - I'm sure people can come up with counterexamples - but I think it's pretty accurate overall. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: US Government moving to Drupal?
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. They're not just moving to Drupal - they're limiting the vendors who can provide solutions for websites hosted by the US Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Interesting. When I saw the list of consultants at the end of that article, it made me wonder if there was some political stuff going on. their current sites. I don't think CF is going anywhere - it will Good to know. That's why I raised the issue here - so someone more closely associated could cast some light on the discussion. still be one of the hosting options for these sites. But the SAA is no longer going to support most of the currently deployed CMS solutions. Can you give some examples of CMS solutions that are losing support? CF has been in use by the federal government practically as long as it's existed - we were working on government projects back in CF 2.0 Thanx. I knew it was a long relationship but I didn't know when it started. We're located in DC, and the government has always been a big part of our business. If you do a search for CF jobs, you'll find that DC is the hot spot for them. Absolutely. That came up in another thread recently. I do think that, for a lot of agencies that have lagged behind in deploying web apps, those agencies are more likely to go with F/OSS solutions, just because they haven't had the budget to do these things before. And haven't done their research either, presumably :) Thanx for your input, Dave. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
