Re: [cgiapp] hook question

2010-07-30 Thread Todd Ross
Hi Cees,

I'm not actually trying to add all three hooks at once; I'm only enabling one 
at 
a time.  The only one that was working was the $self-add_callback().

When I rearrange the code as you have, all three callbacks work, just as you 
say.  I don't understand why though.

What's the difference between:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

my $webapp = Private::Webapp-new();
$webapp-run();

package Private::Webapp;

use base 'CGI::Application';

__PACKAGE__-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 1\n });
Private::Webapp-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 2\n });

# ...

... and ...

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

package Private::Webapp;

use base 'CGI::Application';

__PACKAGE__-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 1\n });
Private::Webapp-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 2\n });


# ...

package main;

my $webapp = Private::Webapp-new();
$webapp-run();

1;

It seems like adding package main; (which I believe is happening implicitly in 
the first example) and moving the code is changing the semantics of how it's 
processed even though things should still be happening in the same phases?

Todd




From: Cees Hek cees...@gmail.com
To: CGI Application cgiapp@lists.erlbaum.net
Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 6:48:34 PM
Subject: Re: [cgiapp] hook question

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Todd Ross tar.li...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I understand the distinction between compile time and run time (as phases), 
but
 I'm not fully appreciating the impact here; I'm still a little lost.

Hi Todd,

You are actually running into a couple of problems, one of them is
what Michael has described, and the other is that the callback code
will not run the same callback method multiple times at the same hook
location.  You are hooking the same method three times, but it will
only ever be executed once.

So, place your instance code at the end of the file, and create a
separate callback for each call to add_callback and you will see that
it does work (ideally though, you should be placing your packages into
separate files as it will save you many headaches down the road --
especially when working with mod_perl or other persistant perl
processes):


#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

package Private::Webapp;

use base 'CGI::Application';

__PACKAGE__-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 1\n });
Private::Webapp-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 2\n });

sub setup {
   my $self = shift;

   $self-start_mode('begin');
   $self-mode_param('rm');
   $self-run_modes(
   begin = 'do_begin'
   );

   $self-add_callback('prerun', sub { print STDERR hook_prerun 3\n });
}

sub do_begin {
   my $self = shift;

   my $output = Hello, CGI::Application!\n;
   return $output;
}

package main;

my $webapp = Private::Webapp-new();
$webapp-run();

1;

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Re: [cgiapp] hook question

2010-07-30 Thread Michael Peters
On 07/29/2010 05:58 PM, Todd Ross wrote:
 I understand the distinction between compile time and run time (as phases), 
 but
 I'm not fully appreciating the impact here; I'm still a little lost.

 You indicate that method calls happen at runtime.  Assuming that these qualify
 as method calls ...

 __PACKAGE__-add_callback('prerun', \hook_prerun);
 Private::Webapp-add_callback('prerun', \hook_prerun);

Yes those are method calls and they happen at run time. So they happen 
after you've already created and run your application.

 ... isn't the only time they can be processed during compile time?  They're 
 not
 in a method that can be invoked at run time.

No, they aren't any different than the methods you invoked to create 
your application object (new) nor the method you invoked to run it (run).

 Even if the package were placed into a separate .pm file, you indicate that 
 the
 usepackage  statement is going to be processed at compile time, which seems
 like the same phase they're processed in in my existing example.  Why would 
 the
 behavior change?

use will find the package, compile it and then run it, returning the 
value of the last operation in that package (which is why you always see 
Perl packages with a 1; at the bottom, so that it has a successful 
statement to run that returns a true value).

In your case the same basic things happen except that there is no use 
to compile and run the package before you create and run your 
application object. So perl compiles that script (including your web app 
package) and then starts executing the script. And you create and run 
your application object before you run those callbacks, so you never see 
them executing.

-- 
Michael Peters
Plus Three, LP

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Re: [cgiapp] Running a plain CGI::Application as FastCGI / PSGI

2010-07-30 Thread Jani Hurskainen
A long time ago Mark Rajcok wrote:

  I want to convert an app I have from FastCGI and Apache to PSGI
  and Starman.

Sorry to come back this old issue, but I'm planning to move from 
(Apache) mod_cgi to mod_fastgci. However I have recently read a lot 
about Plank/PSGI. I think I got the idea of Plank/PSGI (a specification 
and middleware for web framework developers) but I don't quite 
understand what benefits my CGI::App based webapp gets using mod_psgi 
instead of mod_fastcgi ? Which one is faster ? Will I have more hosting 
options when PSGI has been established as de-facto standard ? Anyway 
PSGI is a future-proof, right ?

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Re: [cgiapp] Running a plain CGI::Application as FastCGI / PSGI

2010-07-30 Thread Michael Peters
On 07/30/2010 11:50 AM, Jani Hurskainen wrote:
  I think I got the idea of Plank/PSGI (a specification
 and middleware for web framework developers) but I don't quite
 understand what benefits my CGI::App based webapp gets using mod_psgi
 instead of mod_fastcgi ?

It's Plack not Plank :)

The benefit is that once your application works with PSGI then you can 
move it between mod_cgi, mod_perl, fastcgi, Starman, Tatsumaki, Twiggy, 
etc. It's not tied to a particular web server since there are Plack 
adapter layers that can be used to make a PSGI application run on any of 
those.

Most web frameworks try to abstract away most of this already, but they 
all do it in different wants. PSGI is meant to standardize all of these 
so there's not so much wheel reinvention.

Also it allows people to write middleware components that can be run for 
any PSGI application. So a catalyst app running under mod_perl can use 
the same debugging toolbar as a CGI::Application app running under Starman.

-- 
Michael Peters
Plus Three, LP

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