Re: [c-nsp] Multicast over VRF possible?

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Basler (bbasler)
Jeff,

At this point multicast on VRF interfaces is only supported with Sup6-E
and 4900M.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst4500/12.2/52sg/conf
iguration/guide/vrf.html#wp1064137 

6500 does it on any PFC3 based sup since SXE.

Cheers,
Ben

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 From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-
 boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Douglas C. Stephens
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:48 PM
 To: Jeff Kell
 Cc: 'NSP List'
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Multicast over VRF possible?
 
 Jeff,
 
 I've successfully used ip pim sparse-mode on SVIs assigned to
VRF-lite
 contexts on all my 6500s.  This was on Sup720+MSFC3+PFC3B blades
running
 both ADVENTERPRISEK9_WAN-M and ADVIPSERVICESK9_WAN-M feature sets of
the
 12.2(18)SXF release.
 
 I've not run into this problem on my 4500 switches, but then I'm
running
 them with SupV blades, and I've not yet had much call for VRF-lite
there.
 
 
 
 At 07:54 PM 5/27/2009, Jeff Kell wrote:
 In the process of an upgrade/reconfiguration today, I discovered
 that PIM multicast routing and VRF-lite are apparently mutually
 exclusive on a 4506.  In this case, specifically IOS
 cat4500-entservicesk9-mz.122-50.SG1 on a Sup-IV  WS-X4515.
 
 With an ip vrf forwarding ... directive, there is no ip pim
 option available, it disappears from the configuration options.
 
 OK, that was the old school fix to make some limited multicast
 work in this situation (Symantec Ghost for imaging remote labs).
 
 Is there another way to achieve routed multicasting in a VRF
 environment?  Specifically, the imaging server resides in a public
 services VRF, while the target labs are in other VRFs.
 
 Is this a platform-specific restriction?  Or is it
 Catalyst-wide?  Can the 6500 handle it (on a 'ip vrf forward'ed
 interface or SVI)?
 
 There are some imaging alternatives (just relocate a suitable
 master copy to the local subnet), but there are some other
 multicast plans on the table that aren't so easily bypassed.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Jeff
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[c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

2009-05-28 Thread Michalis Palis
Hello All

Is their a way to remove the first AS number (not private) from an AS path?

For example we are receiving a route with AS PATH  123 456 456 456 and we want 
to remove the 123 AS and put in the BGP table the route with AS 456 456 456 .

Thanks for your reply
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Re: [c-nsp] router 7609

2009-05-28 Thread Lars Lystrup Christensen
Hi Uuganbat,

The 10-port GE SPA is a module residing in the SIP-600 card (which is required) 
and the SFP is the actual optical module.

Due to pricing, I would believe you get cheaper ports by using another 24-port 
optical GE linecard, as the 10-port SPA would cost the additional SIP-600 which 
isn't cheap at all.

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[mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of uugnaa
Sent: 28. maj 2009 06:49
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Subject: [c-nsp] router 7609

hello all,

I am going to make an order for Cisco Router 7609 with Cisco 7600 Series 
Supervisor Engine 32 (8 ports Gigabit Ethernet).

My question is I need 24 Optical GE ports line card and another 7 Optical GE 
ports line card. I have seen the line card of 10-Port Gigabit Ethernet Shared 
Port Adapters.

Please somebody make me clear on this what is the SPA(Shared Port Adapter). The 
difference between SPA and SFP. 

regards,
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[c-nsp] ITP Deployment Guide

2009-05-28 Thread Felix Nkansah
Hi Team,
A messaging company that wants to sell a solution to a mobile carrier has
subcontracted a portion of implementation for their demo solution to my
company.

My portion of the project requires deploying SSoIP using Cisco ITP with two
2811 routers at both sides of a link, in a staged lab. Frankly, the
contractor's ITP requirements are yet to be defined.

Coming from a purely IP background, I expect this to be a challenge.

I should be glad if any on this list could share with me links to useful
guides, examples, scenarios, experiences, caveats, etc on Cisco's ITP
offering.

Thanks for your responses.

Felix
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Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

2009-05-28 Thread Varaillon Jean Christophe
I doubt that you can do that... but if this is to influence your outgoing
traffic, then I would use local-preferences.

Christophe


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Subject: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

Hello All

Is their a way to remove the first AS number (not private) from an AS path?

For example we are receiving a route with AS PATH  123 456 456 456 and we
want to remove the 123 AS and put in the BGP table the route with AS 456 456
456 .

Thanks for your reply
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Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

2009-05-28 Thread masood
yup, you can't remove public AS from AS path. would you please share the
idea why you wana remove it :)

there are many other attributes to tweak bgp, y not u use them.

BR\\
Masood


 I doubt that you can do that... but if this is to influence your outgoing
 traffic, then I would use local-preferences.

 Christophe


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 Subject: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

 Hello All

 Is their a way to remove the first AS number (not private) from an AS
 path?

 For example we are receiving a route with AS PATH  123 456 456 456 and we
 want to remove the 123 AS and put in the BGP table the route with AS 456
 456
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[c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Jay Ford

In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx cards (2
WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop which seems
to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 case the
wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.

I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke.  It
seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  of what
types?


Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
email: jay-f...@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-2951
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Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

2009-05-28 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
Let's be more precise. There is no publicly known way to remove a
non-private AS number from AS-path on a device running Cisco IOS ... but you
could always adapt Quagga source code to your needs.

As pointed out by previous replies, tweaking AS-PATH is a really bad idea.
BGP has numerous other tools.

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 To: Varaillon Jean Christophe
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 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH
 
 yup, you can't remove public AS from AS path. would you 
 please share the idea why you wana remove it :)
 
 there are many other attributes to tweak bgp, y not u use them.
 
 BR\\
 Masood
 
 
  I doubt that you can do that... but if this is to influence your 
  outgoing traffic, then I would use local-preferences.
 
  Christophe
 
 
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 Michalis Palis
  Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:49 AM
  To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
  Subject: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH
 
  Hello All
 
  Is their a way to remove the first AS number (not private) 
 from an AS 
  path?
 
  For example we are receiving a route with AS PATH  123 456 
 456 456 and 
  we want to remove the 123 AS and put in the BGP table the 
 route with 
  AS 456
  456
  456 .
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Sup720-3B Gig port mac address strangeness

2009-05-28 Thread Phil Mayers

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 08:21:22PM +0100, Jared Gillis wrote:

Hello all,

I'm working with 2 7606s, each with 1 Sup720-3B, and noticed something strange
when moving the Supervisors between the two chassis. The MAC address assigned to
the gig ports on the Supervisor seems to stick with a chassis, rather than
follow the Supervisor.
For example, I plug Supervisor A into chassis A, and the first gig port on the
supervisor gets assigned MAC address A. Sup B in chassis B gets MAC B likewise.
I then write erase both Supervisors, power down both chassis, and swap the
Supervisors. Now Sup A is in chassis B, and Sup B in chassis A. However, Sup A
in chassis B gets MAC B, and Sup B in chassis A gets MAC A.

This is contrary to how I would expect this to work, as MACs are usually
programmed into the EEPROM on the interface card. This is supported by the Cisco
docs here:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/Hardware/Hardware_Guides/Supervisor_Engine_and_Route_Switch_Processor_Guide/SupE01.html#wp1015861

Is this a known feature of the 7600/Sup720-3B?


IIRC SVIs use the chassis mac address, and routed ports use the phy MAC 
address. L2 PDUs (STP, CDP, LLDP) always use the phy mac.




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Re: [c-nsp] CPUHOG - BGP Scheduler

2009-05-28 Thread Randy Rooney
Hi, I would start by looking at upgrading. SRB1 has a lot of known BGP
bugs. Most notably is BGP process hogging CPU on large table
convergence.

SRB3 is stable as long as you don't do sh mem, will crash active proc
SRB5 is stable as long as you don't care about netflow
SRD1 so far ok

If you don't need the latest features in SRD I would stick with the
latest SRB train.

RR

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bill Blackford
bblackf...@nwresd.k12.or.us wrote:
 So this started showing up:

 May 27 14:45:26: %SYS-3-CPUHOG: Task is running for (2000)msecs, more than 
 (2000)msecs (0/0),process = BGP Scheduler.
 -Traceback= 824C1AC 8261AF8 8261D84 94FA00C 8263BB0 8263CCC A6DCBC8 A6D2A54
 May 27 14:46:34: %SYS-3-CPUHOG: Task is running for (2000)msecs, more than 
 (2000)msecs (1/1),process = BGP Scheduler.
 -Traceback= 824C214 8261AF8 8261D84 94FA00C 8263BB0 8263CCC A6DCBC8 A6D2A54
 May 27 14:47:26: %SYS-3-CPUHOG: Task is running for (2000)msecs, more than 
 (2000)msecs (1/0),process = BGP Scheduler.
 -Traceback= 824C1D8 8261AF8 8261D84 94FA00C 8263BB0 8263CCC A6DCBC8 A6D2A54

 7606/RSP720-3CXL/12.2(33)SRB1

 Uptime is 1 year, 26 weeks.

 Two full feeds and 10 other peers.

 Where should I start looking?

 Thanks

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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 11:19 -0500, Jay Ford wrote:
 In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx cards (2
 WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
 supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop which seems
 to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
 pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 case the
 wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.
 
 I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke.  It
 seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
 wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  of what
 types?

We had this happen to three 6748-GE-TX cards. We discovered it while
performing some physical relocations/upgrades. It might have happened to
other modules that we didn't look at.

For some reason we decided to let one of the systems run, just to see
what effect it had. FWIW it has had no problems for ~1 year now.

It was no problem RMAing them.

Regards,
Peter


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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Jon Lewis

On Thu, 28 May 2009, Jay Ford wrote:

I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke. 
It seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the 
soldered wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many 
cards  of what types?


I've seen this sort of failure on the chipset heatsink on a Soyo P4 
motherboard.  I used superglue to 're-anchor' the wire loop into the 
motherboard.  The repair outlasted the motherboard (which eventually died 
due to bad [expanding  leaking] capacitors).


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Re: [c-nsp] Port debugging on C2924

2009-05-28 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H
 
 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 02:01:25PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote:
  If I had physical access, thats exactly what I'd do. But I don't, so
  I need it to dump the packets into syslog for me. I don't have debug
  packet available on the IOS on the unit, nor does debug interface seem
  to be generating anything
 
 There's nothing available on that hardware. Port monitor is your only choice.
 
That makes bunny sad. Ok, thanks. I guess I'm SOL until the next
site visit.

Tuc
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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Lars Lystrup Christensen
Hi Jay,

I've RMA'ed at least one board and could suspect other boards with the same 
flaw, so I believe this might be either a design fault or simply a faulty batch.

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Sent: 28. maj 2009 18:19
To: cisco-nsp
Subject: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx cards (2
WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop which seems
to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 case the
wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.

I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke.  It
seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  of what
types?


Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
email: jay-f...@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-2951
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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Jay Hennigan



In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx cards (2
WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop which seems
to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 case the
wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.

I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke.  It
seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  of what
types?


It sounds like a design flaw.  The spring force on the loop is upward. 
Heat from the chip is conducted to the fins, the spring, and the loop 
which softens the solder.  Tension on the loop pulls it out.


They probably need to come up with a different means of attaching the 
loop, maybe a stamped part with a base on the underside of the board, or 
at the least use a high-melting-point solder for that attachment point.


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Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

2009-05-28 Thread Dean Smith
This list does tend to focus on public internet issues and forget that BGP
is used in corporate or other non-internet environments that don't follow
nice conventions and after 15+ years of corporate take-overs,mergers and
demergers can often find situations where AS Paths need to be cleanedor
manipulated with something more flexible than a straight pre-pend. IOS
allows every other key BGP metric to be tweaked and we accept the risks that
brings - so this sort of manipulation of the AS-Path is long overdue.

Examples where I have had to dump BGP routes into an IGP for a hop and stick
them back into BGP with a clean AS-Path. :-

A) 2 independant organisations both use MPLS VPN from the same provider and
want to exchange routes across a private peering. The MPLS provider AS is in
the AS-Path on both sides and the provider drops routes. The provider
doesn't offer any of the provider side workarounds. 

B) 1 Organisation that has historically been a fully private network and has
some historic peerings that use non-private AS/non-registered AS now wants
to have a private peering with a proper public network. The AS-Path needs
to have the junk removed before the routes could be advertised. Yes the
historic networks should be migrated away but the fact is there is often no
resource and no money to do that when the workaround is simply another
Router.

C) Organisation wants to Dual Home to 2 ISPs at 2 locations for a new
internet service. It wants to use its private network for backhaul between
the sites but can't have free flow of routes between because if they
traverse the MPLS VPN they get the provider AS inserted in the path.

I don't intend to debate the abovethey happened and the solutions were
ratified by Cisco but in all cases manipulating the AS-Path (usually to
remove the MPLS provider public AS) would have been much much easier than
the final solutions. 

The summary is...BGP isn't just used on the Internet, and corporate networks
get messy when CEOs get ambitious (or fired).

Dean

-Original Message-
From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of
mas...@nexlinx.net.pk
Sent: 28 May 2009 17:56
To: Varaillon Jean Christophe
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

yup, you can't remove public AS from AS path. would you please share the
idea why you wana remove it :)

there are many other attributes to tweak bgp, y not u use them.

BR\\
Masood


 I doubt that you can do that... but if this is to influence your outgoing
 traffic, then I would use local-preferences.

 Christophe


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 [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Michalis Palis
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:49 AM
 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: [c-nsp] Remove BGP AS path number number from an AS PATH

 Hello All

 Is their a way to remove the first AS number (not private) from an AS
 path?

 For example we are receiving a route with AS PATH  123 456 456 456 and we
 want to remove the 123 AS and put in the BGP table the route with AS 456
 456
 456 .

 Thanks for your reply
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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Can someone please take a photo and upload it somewhere, so everyone else can better 
understand what exactly is the issue you're talking about?


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Tassos

Jay Hennigan wrote on 29/05/2009 00:23:


In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx 
cards (2

WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop 
which seems

to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 
case the

wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.

I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a 
fluke.  It

seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  
of what

types?


It sounds like a design flaw.  The spring force on the loop is upward. 
Heat from the chip is conducted to the fins, the spring, and the loop 
which softens the solder.  Tension on the loop pulls it out.


They probably need to come up with a different means of attaching the 
loop, maybe a stamped part with a base on the underside of the board, or 
at the least use a high-melting-point solder for that attachment point.



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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Eric Cables
We experienced the same problem on a number of 6748 blades, and requested
failure analysis from Cisco (report below).

We were performing a chassis swap, and the heatsink/fin/whatever literally
fell off upon card removal, which led to the discovery of the faulty bracket
on multiple cards -- but not all cards.

Here's the failure analysis report:

*FA case Number: FA-0063752

Fault Isolated

The customer reported that the line cards had faulty Heatsink latches.  The
customer's symptom was duplicated.  The line cards failed visual inspection.

The line card with serial number REMOVED had a Z1 latch became detached.

The Z1 came off and caused the heatsink to become loose. No damage was done
to the baseboard.  The line card with serial number REMOVED had both Z1
and Z2 missing.  The latches were not on the card, which caused the Heatsink
to move around. Only some minor scratches were observed on the baseboard.

This case was closed as fault isolated due to the detached latches on the
boards. MM/CG*


-- Eric Cables


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Jay Ford jay-f...@uiowa.edu wrote:

 In the past 9 days I've found that 3 of our Catalyst 6500 WS-X67xx cards (2
 WS-X6748-GE-TX  1 WS-X6748-SFP) had dislodged heat fins.  The fins are
 supposed to be tethered by a spring hooked into a small wire loop which
 seems
 to be soldered onto the circuit board.  In the case at hand the wire loop
 pulls out of the board  the heat fin then flops around free  in 1 case
 the
 wire loop was rattling around on the card.  Not good.

 I'm trying to determine if this is a systemic problem or just a fluke.  It
 seems like a design flaw, with the spring being too much for the soldered
 wire loop.  Has anybody else seen this?  If so, with how many cards  of
 what
 types?

 
 Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services
 University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
 email: jay-f...@uiowa.edu, phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-2951
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Re: [c-nsp] heat fins popping loose on WS-X67xx cards

2009-05-28 Thread Jon Lewis

On Fri, 29 May 2009, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote:

Can someone please take a photo and upload it somewhere, so everyone else can 
better understand what exactly is the issue you're talking about?


Pardon the crappy cellphone pic...but
http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/heatsink.jpg

The anchor points (at least on this motherboard) basically look like 
jumper posts that have been joined with an arch.  The heatsink is held in 
place by spring tension against the four anchors.  Just one anchor failing 
results in the heatsink popping up off the chip and in my case resulted in 
very frequent system crashes.


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Re: [c-nsp] Comparison chart of 6509-E vs 4506-E

2009-05-28 Thread Renelson Panosky
Hello Jeff

I work for the government so we do have cisco, i will ask him for the NDA
and thank you the info you have provided is very helpful

Renelson

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Jeff Wolfe wo...@ems.psu.edu wrote:

 Do you have access to a Cisco sales team and SE? You should ask for an NDA
 on the 4500 and 6500.

 The architecture of the 4500 is different than the 6500. In the 4500, the
 linecards are basically smart PHYs, all the packets go back to the SUP for
 switching/forwarding.. The E chassis currently has 24Gb/s per slot back to
 the Sup, resulting in 2:1 oversubscription on all ports.

 Compare that with the 6500, where it depends.  61xx modules put all
 packets on a 16Gb/s ring bus that passes through the SUP. Packets go on the
 bus regardless of where they exit the switch. 67xx modules have 20 or 40Gb/s
 'taps' to the SUP. Packets go to the SUP for forwarding, unless the card has
 a DFC module, in which case the packets only go to the SUP if the
 destination port is not on the same slot.

 6500 can hold other non-linecard modules, 4500 can not.

 6500 does netflow.
 4500 Sup5 does netflow, but Sup6E does *not* do netflow.

 We like the 4500 a lot. It's not perfect, but it fits our current and
 future needs in our enterprise LAN.
 We have 4507R-E chassis with redundant SUPs and full of 48p 1G linecards.
 They provide all the same functionality that a 6509 would, but they're
 physically smaller, consume half the power and are approximately half the
 price of the DFC enabled 6509 with 67xx modules.

 Compared to a 6509 with 61xx modules and Sup32, the 4500 is a considerably
 better switch from a performance and capacity perspective.


 You should ask your Cisco reps for an NDA on the 4500 and 6500. They have
 detailed comparisons, but they're only shown under NDA.

 $0.02


 -JEff



 Renelson Panosky wrote:

 Hey James

 Thank you that's the same thing i found on the cisco website but i was
 hoping for something a little better but thanks anyway


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