Re: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

2006-06-02 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Casey Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 And in the next sentence he talks about compatibility, which politely  
 seems to be mentioning Sun's fear of forks yet again, which they will  
 probably never drop.

That annoys me because it's nonsense isn't it?

We have an effective fork of Java now - Free VMs + Classpath. The FSF
hasn't signed any legal agreements with Sun and yet we have this Java
implementation. I could take that and new operators or classes or
whatever I liked.
 
It's not a true fork though because Sun claim rights to the name Java
and won't let me call my fork Java. But that's got nothing to do with
licences for source code.

The GPL would be perfect for Java because it reduces the commecial
incentive to fork the product and means that anything developed on it
would be free anyway to be reincorporated if it was any good.


So, to sum up. They're just shyster lawyers. And you know what
Sheakspeare said about them.

-- 
Nic Ferrier
http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk   for all your tapsell ferrier needs



OT was: RE: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

2006-06-02 Thread Matt Munz

Have you guys seen the Da Vinci Code?  I think you might like it ;)

  - Matt

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Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:30 PM
To: Dalibor Topic
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Subject: Re: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

On Jun 1, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:49:36PM +, theUser BL wrote:
 At OSNews.com at
 http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
 stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.

 I have now seen, that the links ends up in Suns blog at
 http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan

 There he writes:
 But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious  
 progress on
 open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is  
 very
 much *on* the table), [...]


 I can't parse that sentence. Is Schwartz leading a tough fight against
 evil cynics inside Sun to get the GPL considered?


And in the next sentence he talks about compatibility, which politely  
seems to be mentioning Sun's fear of forks yet again, which they will  
probably never drop.



RE: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

2006-06-01 Thread theUser BL

At OSNews.com at
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.


I have now seen, that the links ends up in Suns blog at
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan

There he writes:
But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious progress on 
open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is very much 
*on* the table), [...]


Greatings
theuserbl





Re: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

2006-06-01 Thread Dalibor Topic
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:49:36PM +, theUser BL wrote:
 At OSNews.com at
 http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
 stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
 
 I have now seen, that the links ends up in Suns blog at
 http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
 
 There he writes:
 But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious progress on 
 open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is very 
 much *on* the table), [...]
 

I can't parse that sentence. Is Schwartz leading a tough fight against
evil cynics inside Sun to get the GPL considered?

FWIW, GPL would be great for merging their code with Kaffe. :)

cheers,
dalibor topic

 Greatings
 theuserbl
 
 
 



Re: Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java

2006-06-01 Thread Casey Marshall

On Jun 1, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:


On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:49:36PM +, theUser BL wrote:

At OSNews.com at
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.


I have now seen, that the links ends up in Suns blog at
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan

There he writes:
But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious  
progress on
open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is  
very

much *on* the table), [...]



I can't parse that sentence. Is Schwartz leading a tough fight against
evil cynics inside Sun to get the GPL considered?



And in the next sentence he talks about compatibility, which politely  
seems to be mentioning Sun's fear of forks yet again, which they will  
probably never drop.


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