[CODE4LIB] Job: Manager, Trove at National Library of Australia
Shape and deliver inclusion of Australia's diverse digital heritage in this innovative national service. Guide and contribute to engagement with the public and the research sector. [Trove](http://trove.nla.gov.au/) is a free-to-the-public national resource discovery and delivery service which invites and supports public engagement through annotation and content contribution options. Trove is the Library's largest and its flagship discovery service. Liaison with the general public is a key responsibility. The Trove Manager will work within the Collaborative Services Branch, which also supports 1,300 Australian libraries via a range of services known as Libraries Australia, including a Help Desk, marketing, training arrangements and other liaison. Our key challenge is to harness the benefits of new technologies to provide the Australian community with greater access to the extraordinary collections of Australian libraries and other cultural agencies where appropriate. Collaboration has been a key factor for ensuring success. The work of the Branch is informed by the Library's Strategic Directions, especially Directions 2 and 3 (www.nla.gov.au/corporate-documents/directions). Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/5785/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
Hi Bill, There's a lightweight python client: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sushipy/ (I haven't used it, just know *of* it) Thanks, James James Van Mil Collections Electronic Resources Librarian University of Cincinnati Libraries Telephone: (513)556-1410 vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:44 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client? [Background: SUSHI http://www.niso.org/committees/SUSHI/SUSHI_comm.htmlis a SOAP protocol for getting data on use of electronic resources in the COUNTER format] I'm just starting to look at trying to get COUNTER data via SUSHI into our data warehouse, and I'm discovering that apparently no one has worked on a SUSHI client since late 2009. UnlessI'm missing one? Anyone out there using SUSHI and have a client that works and is up-to-date and has some documentation of some sort? I'd prefer ruby or java, but will take anything that'll run under linux (i.e., not C#) at this point. I'm desperately trying not to have to deal with the raw SOAP and parsing the XML and such, so any help would be appreciated. -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
After further thought, I'm uncomfortable with the word uncomfortable, and I regret using it. In fact, it doesn't appear in the anti-harrassment policy at all. I think the essence of the policy is to provide a safe and non-threatening space. I can only speak for myself, but I'm not committed to creating a comfortable space, at least based on any vague definition of comfort. Discomfort is often where dialogue and learning occur. PHP developers will not feel comfortable when many of the top talkers are Ruby enthusiasts. Do we ask them to stop when they curse PHP, or perceive they are wrongly discriminating against it? No. We challenge their assumptions and learn about the differences, or we see it for a religious war timesuck and don't participate. I see no way for Code4Lib to regulate comfort, and doing so would lessen the value it provides. If there is something someone says or does that is unacceptable to me, I calmly let them know how I feel and why. It's unrealistic to expect any behavior to change if you don't take the responsibility to address it when and where it happens. Karen, you bring up a good point when you ask about interpretation and enforcement of the policy, should someone be personally attacked or harassed on the basis of gender, race, age, etc. How does anyone know whether the anti-harrassment policy, or which revision, has actually been adopted and accepted by the group? Because no one has objected? Because it's under github/code4lib? There's only a handful of signatures on it. How are revisions proposed and made? Sure, someone can submit changes, but they are only merged with the consent/approval of the github admin(s) -- and none of this is done on list because it's a separate system that has way more usable tools for discussing proposed changes. That puts the admins in the precarious role of deciding what gets in or not -- essentially a role of governance that they may not have asked for. It can also lead to the perception that changes are made behind closed doors if revisions are not first proposed to and debated on the list. Is that an acceptable process? Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. Do we need a vote to ratify the anti-harrassment policy and an appropriate process for changes? -Shaun On 1/23/13 7:12 PM, Fitchett, Deborah wrote: Shaun: and yet when people spoke up on this mailing list about not being comfortable with Zoia, part of the response included people telling them essentially you're spoiling our fun. It wasn't the only response, and I do note that things seem to be moving to reforming Zoia, which contributes to this group feeling pretty good on the whole. But it was still a *noticeable* response, so messages implying that current culture/procedures are sufficient without continuing discussion seem premature. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:00 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia Karen, yes, there is a procedure for dealing with speaking up: // Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediately. If a participant engages in harassing behavior, organizers may take any action they deem appropriate, including warning the offender, expulsion from the Code4Lib event, or banning the offender from a chatroom or mailing list. // [1] It's easier to sense someone's discomfort in person. But in IRC, there's no way to tell and the issue can only be addressed if someone speaks up. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md -Shaun On 1/23/13 10:28 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: Speak up only works if the speaker is treated with respect. If, instead, the speaker is assailed with a litany of you shouldn't think that and you're spoiling our fun, then I doubt if you will get many speakers. There needs to be a procedure for dealing with speaking up that doesn't resemble a public drubbing. Until that is added into the policy, the policy itself is a false promise and likely to make things worse for anyone speaking up, rather than better. kc On 1/23/13 5:21 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote: Isn't this why we have an anti-harrassment policy? Why not hold zoia (and all bots) accountable to the code of conduct like everyone else? If zoia says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then speak up and we will take appropriate measures by removing the plugin or removing that response from the data set. Let's not over-think it. -Shaun On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us wrote: Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? I'm in. We've both said things you're going to regret. [GLaDOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glados is the
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
The one I know of is http://code.google.com/p/sushicounterclient/ which is offered by Serial Solutions. It's a .NET framework. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Van Mil, James (vanmiljf) vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu wrote: Hi Bill, There's a lightweight python client: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sushipy/ (I haven't used it, just know *of* it) Thanks, James James Van Mil Collections Electronic Resources Librarian University of Cincinnati Libraries Telephone: (513)556-1410 vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:44 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client? [Background: SUSHI http://www.niso.org/committees/SUSHI/SUSHI_comm.htmlis a SOAP protocol for getting data on use of electronic resources in the COUNTER format] I'm just starting to look at trying to get COUNTER data via SUSHI into our data warehouse, and I'm discovering that apparently no one has worked on a SUSHI client since late 2009. UnlessI'm missing one? Anyone out there using SUSHI and have a client that works and is up-to-date and has some documentation of some sort? I'd prefer ruby or java, but will take anything that'll run under linux (i.e., not C#) at this point. I'm desperately trying not to have to deal with the raw SOAP and parsing the XML and such, so any help would be appreciated. -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if it was done by online vote. The ONLY decisions that have been done by online vote are about the conference, and specifically: which presentations to include on the program, which keynote speakers are preferred, and which hosting proposal gets the conference. To my knowledge, no other decision about code4lib has ever been made by online vote. I suppose you could say that this means that no other 'group decisions' have ever been made, and yet still a healthy (?) community was formed, which many have found rewarding to participate in, and which some find so valuable that they think it's worth spending their time on improving it. Just don't improve it into something that's no longer what people found rewarding and valuable in the first place, maybe.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
From the NISO list, JISC's SUSHI Starter, written in PHP, looks pretty good. http://cclibweb-4.dmz.cranfield.ac.uk/projects/sushistarters/ On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
We also have a developers listserv, if you run into any challenges: http://www.niso.org/lists/sushidevelopers/ (I'm on the SUSHI maintenance committee) Thanks, James James Van Mil Collections Electronic Resources Librarian University of Cincinnati Libraries Telephone: (513)556-1410 vanmi...@ucmail.uc.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if it was done by online vote. [..snip..] To my knowledge, no other decision about code4lib has ever been made by online vote. More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. Mark
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
Yeah -- I found that right away. Most of what's there appears to be abandonware. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
Any policy that could result in people being removed or banned for failing to comply warrants a group decision. Unless anyone presumes to speak for the group, online voting is the only tool we have to make it official. I understand it's new territory, but does anyone have a problem with it? On 1/24/13 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron. No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if it was done by online vote. [..snip..] To my knowledge, no other decision about code4lib has ever been made by online vote. More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. Mark -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
It looks like the Metridoc project might have one: https://code.google.com/p/metridoc/source/search?q=sushiorigq=sushibtnG=Search+Trunk No idea if it's working, but I'd be really interested in hearing an update on Metridoc - if Thomas or anyone else involved is listening. Jason Stirnaman Digital Projects Librarian A.R. Dykes Library University of Kansas Medical Center 913-588-7319 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Bill Dueber [b...@dueber.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client? Yeah -- I found that right away. Most of what's there appears to be abandonware. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote: More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether or not to have jobs.code4lib.org post here--perhaps other things that I'm forgetting. I'm not saying we need to vote on the anti-harassment policy to make it real--it's already real. Not everyone may respect it, but hopefully we'll all continue being nice people and won't have to worry about enforcing it. It's hard to imagine anyone being against it. Personally, I find it regrettable that it's even necessary, but it is what it is. Voting can be a nice way of testing the waters for something. I found the survey on the jobs.code4lib.org email posting very helpful. But voting on everything would get very tedious, and boring very quickly I imagine. code4lib has always seemed much more freeform than that to me. I really liked Bethany's description of lazy consensus [1] at the last conference. //Ed [1] http://nowviskie.org/2012/lazy-consensus/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
The bottom line is that, technically, code4lib does not, AKAIK, exist. It's one piece of property, the domain name is in your name. Everything else is donated or lent. Code4lib has no formal governance. It is more like a clique than an organization. The question of whether we want to adopt formal organization and governance has been raised often over the years, and it seems to be as effective in emptying rooms as craft beers are for filling them. Since we don't exist, we can't do anything. We can collectively come up with a policy, but we have no status to enforce that policy. Like a clique, it really comes down to convincing everyone that you are a cool kid, and you are committing to a policy, so everyone else who wants to be cool should do so as well. This can work, except for the goths. Cary On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote: More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether or not to have jobs.code4lib.org post here--perhaps other things that I'm forgetting. I'm not saying we need to vote on the anti-harassment policy to make it real--it's already real. Not everyone may respect it, but hopefully we'll all continue being nice people and won't have to worry about enforcing it. It's hard to imagine anyone being against it. Personally, I find it regrettable that it's even necessary, but it is what it is. Voting can be a nice way of testing the waters for something. I found the survey on the jobs.code4lib.org email posting very helpful. But voting on everything would get very tedious, and boring very quickly I imagine. code4lib has always seemed much more freeform than that to me. I really liked Bethany's description of lazy consensus [1] at the last conference. //Ed [1] http://nowviskie.org/2012/lazy-consensus/ -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client?
Hi Jason et al, No idea if Tommy is about but we've sort of started using Metridoc at NCSU. I'm serious about that sort of ... It's kind of morphed in the last little while to become a set of Grails plugins, and I spent a lot of time fighting with Grails (although I see what they're going for and I like that idea -- think something like Rails, but based on Groovy/the JVM). I can say that not all of the plugins (each export tool is packaged as a plugin, roughly) are in really good shape, I think the sushi component has not been updated in a while. There is a google group (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/metridoc) with ... well, not much activity, but I expect it to pick up in the not too distant future: there are some conversations among libraries on the OLE project to see about using it as a data warehousing tool therefor. cheers, AC On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Jason Stirnaman jstirna...@kumc.eduwrote: It looks like the Metridoc project might have one: https://code.google.com/p/metridoc/source/search?q=sushiorigq=sushibtnG=Search+Trunk No idea if it's working, but I'd be really interested in hearing an update on Metridoc - if Thomas or anyone else involved is listening. Jason Stirnaman Digital Projects Librarian A.R. Dykes Library University of Kansas Medical Center 913-588-7319 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Bill Dueber [b...@dueber.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone have a SUSHI client? Yeah -- I found that right away. Most of what's there appears to be abandonware. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Hey. NISO has a list of SUSHI tools. http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi/tools/ Tom -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
[CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created
Hi all~ I was not familiar with the code4lib IRC bot (or irc bot in general for that matter), and the recent discussion on the listserv made me curious. BTW I fully support the idea of removing offensive content, and big thanks to those who have been working on cleaning up those stuff. In any case, I figured there might be others who are new to code4lib and were somewhat aware of zoia but not sure what exactly it does or will do. So I created a wiki page with a bunch of examples today morning. It's far from comprehensive but I think it would be cool if others -who care about the bot - add more content to this page. http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Zoia_or_the_Code4Lib_IRC_bot -Bohyun
Re: [CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created
On 25/01/13 09:47, Bohyun Kim wrote: Hi all~ I was not familiar with the code4lib IRC bot (or irc bot in general for that matter), and the recent discussion on the listserv made me curious. BTW I fully support the idea of removing offensive content, and big thanks to those who have been working on cleaning up those stuff. In any case, I figured there might be others who are new to code4lib and were somewhat aware of zoia but not sure what exactly it does or will do. So I created a wiki page with a bunch of examples today morning. It's far from comprehensive but I think it would be cool if others -who care about the bot - add more content to this page. http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Zoia_or_the_Code4Lib_IRC_bot Looking at that, the only absolutely library-specific content there appears to be the MARC plugin (which isn't documented in detail). cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is right to point out. No one is suggesting that Code4Lib needs to develop a governance system or that there need to be any future rules. We just need to determine that there is agreement that this one policy is something we can all abide by in this nonexistent space to make sure it's safe and non-threatening non-space -- it's on us to make sure it goes far enough, but not too far that it changes things for the worse. Otherwise, there will continue to be ambiguity and people will spend time in continuous debate when we could be playing and creating cool stuff instead. -Shaun On 1/24/13 3:17 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: The bottom line is that, technically, code4lib does not, AKAIK, exist. It's one piece of property, the domain name is in your name. Everything else is donated or lent. Code4lib has no formal governance. It is more like a clique than an organization. The question of whether we want to adopt formal organization and governance has been raised often over the years, and it seems to be as effective in emptying rooms as craft beers are for filling them. Since we don't exist, we can't do anything. We can collectively come up with a policy, but we have no status to enforce that policy. Like a clique, it really comes down to convincing everyone that you are a cool kid, and you are committing to a policy, so everyone else who wants to be cool should do so as well. This can work, except for the goths. Cary On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote: More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us. It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether or not to have jobs.code4lib.org post here--perhaps other things that I'm forgetting. I'm not saying we need to vote on the anti-harassment policy to make it real--it's already real. Not everyone may respect it, but hopefully we'll all continue being nice people and won't have to worry about enforcing it. It's hard to imagine anyone being against it. Personally, I find it regrettable that it's even necessary, but it is what it is. Voting can be a nice way of testing the waters for something. I found the survey on the jobs.code4lib.org email posting very helpful. But voting on everything would get very tedious, and boring very quickly I imagine. code4lib has always seemed much more freeform than that to me. I really liked Bethany's description of lazy consensus [1] at the last conference. //Ed [1] http://nowviskie.org/2012/lazy-consensus/ -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] wiki page about the chode4lib irc bot created
Looking at that, the only absolutely library-specific content there appears to be the MARC plugin (which isn't documented in detail). MARC and not well documented...that sounds about right. --tr * Terry Reese, Associate Professor Gray Family Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 Valley Library Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: 541.737.6384 *
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is simply another kind of policy. I'm actually more uneasy about ambiguity over what is acceptable, and no agreed upon way to handle it. I don't think the current policy is ready to go to vote as it seems there is still some debate over what it should cover and exactly what type of behavior it is meant to prevent. I suggest there is a set time period to submit objections as GitHub issues and resolve them before we vote. Whatever issues can't get resolved end up in a branch/fork. In the end, we vote on each of the forks, or no policy at all. Does that sound reasonable? -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
Salve! I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? Or has a specific issue come up, and I'm just being daft? It's needed. It was requested. Specifically creepy things happening is why this came up. The policy is necessary to help people deal with things as they come up in context. I'm uneasy about voting on minority rights. That usually doesn't go well, and it almost always misses the point. Cheers, Brooke
Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is right to point out. I added ABSTENTIONS.txt and OPPOSERS.txt to the anti-harassment github repository [1] to supplement the SUPPORTERS.txt, for people who want to record their particular view on this issue. If you want to record your view you can fork the repository, add your name to the appropriate file, and send a pull request. Perhaps that's good enough for now? I don't disagree that ambiguity around this issue is problematic, but I also think that trying to remove all ambiguity from it maybe prove to be difficult, and damaging. //Ed [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
I think that a voting process which involves working both with github, the issue tracker, and presumably using the network map of branches seems a bit ornate, puts a barrier to contribution up, and is likely to be confusing. I think that if a /whatever policy is developed for how does C4L decide to resolve conflicts?, that comes first, and then what technological tools support that should flow naturally from that decision. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote: I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is simply another kind of policy. I'm actually more uneasy about ambiguity over what is acceptable, and no agreed upon way to handle it. I don't think the current policy is ready to go to vote as it seems there is still some debate over what it should cover and exactly what type of behavior it is meant to prevent. I suggest there is a set time period to submit objections as GitHub issues and resolve them before we vote. Whatever issues can't get resolved end up in a branch/fork. In the end, we vote on each of the forks, or no policy at all. Does that sound reasonable? -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
So we have a reasonable policy in place. Can we now tackle the creepy things as they come up? I am not opposed to voting about this. It just seems like a crazy thing to do, because I can't imagine anyone would be opposed to it. But maybe I lack imagination. //Ed On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM, BWS Johnson abesottedphoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Salve! I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? Or has a specific issue come up, and I'm just being daft? It's needed. It was requested. Specifically creepy things happening is why this came up. The policy is necessary to help people deal with things as they come up in context. I'm uneasy about voting on minority rights. That usually doesn't go well, and it almost always misses the point. Cheers, Brooke
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
No, it doesn't sound that reasonable to me, actually. There's a code of conduct which has been developed the way Code4Lib develops things: ie the work's been done by people who're interested in doing the work. What's special about anti-harassment that it alone should bear the burden of bureacracy? Is there really anything so controversial about If you harass people, and organisers ask you to stop, and you don't stop, then organisers may kick you out of whatever the context is? This is just not that ambiguous. And honestly I'm not terribly comfortable when the conversation starts to get all waffly about whether or not we should expect people to commit to something that is basic human decency and a vital part of the social contract. Why would we be more worried even in the abstract about an obdurate harasser than about the comfort of the people zie's harassing? You may not like the word uncomfortable (though you're happy enough to use uneasy) but why *shouldn't* we have as a priority to ensure the comfort of members in our community? There's a vast difference between being uncomfortable because you're not familiar with Python and being uncomfortable because someone's harassing you and I think everyone here is clever enough not to conflate the two. --And how did we get from The code of conduct is sufficient so let's not overthink things! to Wait, we need to implement procedures to vote on the code of conduct! anyway?? Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 10:38 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia) I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is simply another kind of policy. I'm actually more uneasy about ambiguity over what is acceptable, and no agreed upon way to handle it. I don't think the current policy is ready to go to vote as it seems there is still some debate over what it should cover and exactly what type of behavior it is meant to prevent. I suggest there is a set time period to submit objections as GitHub issues and resolve them before we vote. Whatever issues can't get resolved end up in a branch/fork. In the end, we vote on each of the forks, or no policy at all. Does that sound reasonable? -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1] that I haven't seen been discussed yet. At least, I haven't heard the input from this year's organizer: Do we require a duty officerhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Duty_officer explicitly? Is it fair/reasonable/workable to have conference staff be in that role? ranti. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
A non-organization without a defined membership can't have votes on anything. At best it can have straw polls; the decision falls with the person or people running the service or activity. They can decide to go with the straw poll, but it's still their decision. On 1/24/13 4:37 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is simply another kind of policy. I'm actually more uneasy about ambiguity over what is acceptable, and no agreed upon way to handle it. I don't think the current policy is ready to go to vote as it seems there is still some debate over what it should cover and exactly what type of behavior it is meant to prevent. I suggest there is a set time period to submit objections as GitHub issues and resolve them before we vote. Whatever issues can't get resolved end up in a branch/fork. In the end, we vote on each of the forks, or no policy at all. Does that sound reasonable? -- Gary McGath, Professional Software Developer http://www.garymcgath.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
Ranti Junus wrote: Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1] that I haven't seen been discussed yet. At least, I haven't heard the input from this year's organizer: Do we require a duty officerhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Duty_officer explicitly? Is it fair/reasonable/workable to have conference staff be in that role? Let's make that me for this year. I hope you won't have to defend yourself or beat up anyone but do report that to me. I will make sure I am *very easy to spot* ;-) regards, ./fxk ranti. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy -- May your camel be as swift as the wind.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
My question has been addressed. Looks like I am allowed to beat first and then report to Francis (my hero!) I will leave up to Francis to decide how he would implement the sanction. thanks, ranti. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: Ranti Junus wrote: Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1] that I haven't seen been discussed yet. At least, I haven't heard the input from this year's organizer: Do we require a duty officerhttp://geekfeminism.**wikia.com/wiki/Conference_** anti-harassment/Duty_officerhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Duty_officer explicitly? Is it fair/reasonable/workable to have conference staff be in that role? Let's make that me for this year. I hope you won't have to defend yourself or beat up anyone but do report that to me. I will make sure I am *very easy to spot* ;-) regards, ./fxk ranti. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/**antiharassment-policyhttps://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy -- May your camel be as swift as the wind. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
If you're harassed to the point that you have to beat the person senseless then you should strongly consider reporting the incident to the police. Or a lawyer, in case for some reason the harasser doesn't tell the truth about why they got beaten senseless and the police end up involved anyway. Most harassment doesn't go that far (at least until the harasser is convinced that you've got reasons for not being willing to beat them senseless no matter what they do, such as not wanting to get unfairly arrested) in which case the code of conduct says an event organizer, volunteer, or a Code4lib helper in person (if at an event) or over IRC. I would far rather keep it open to various options than having a single person on duty, because if you're being harassed and want to report it, then you should have a choice of who you feel most comfortable talking to. But this isn't to discourage people from volunteering to be *a* duty officer; the more options the better. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ranti Junus Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 11:23 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia) Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1] that I haven't seen been discussed yet. At least, I haven't heard the input from this year's organizer: Do we require a duty officerhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Duty_officer explicitly? Is it fair/reasonable/workable to have conference staff be in that role? ranti. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy -- Bulk mail. Postage paid. P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
On 1/24/2013 5:32 PM, Gary McGath wrote: A non-organization without a defined membership can't have votes on anything. Sure it can, we've DONE it. How can we have done something impossible? But we do it when we think it's the best way to proceed, the most efficient way to arriving at the best decsions we can. It's, to many/most of us, clearly not here. I agree with Deborah Fitchett: There's a code of conduct which has been developed the way Code4Lib develops things: ie the work's been done by people who're interested in doing the work. What's special about anti-harassment that it alone should bear the burden of bureacracy? People who think nothing exists unless it's formally/legally organized with a defined membership think Code4Lib doesn't even EXIST. But obviously we do exist! And obviously we do things! And we have some problems, like any community, and we're trying to address some of them. But I don't think I've seen anyone suggest that we as a community are so fundamentally problematic that our very nature needs to be fundamentally changed to address it. Generally, most of the people, even those pointing out problems, like Code4lib -- otherwise, why would they care to spend time fixing it?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
If it gets to that point it's the police who'll have to decide whether you were acting in self-defense or not. When things reach the level of violence or a clear threat, it doesn't matter what the convention policy is; it's a question of who committed a crime. Just what are we talking about, anyway? I haven't been following all the threads, since I'm not going to Code4Lib, but if we're talking about situations where people realistically fear violence and are preparing to respond with it, things have completely fallen apart. On 1/24/13 5:40 PM, Ranti Junus wrote: My question has been addressed. Looks like I am allowed to beat first and then report to Francis (my hero!) I will leave up to Francis to decide how he would implement the sanction. thanks, ranti. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: Ranti Junus wrote: Let's talk the practical and the implementation. Kinda tired reading the on and on and on discussions. So, um, if I get harrased and I felt threatened, can I beat up that person senseless first for self-defense, then report the incident to... to whom? There's on open question on the github [1] that I haven't seen been discussed yet. At least, I haven't heard the input from this year's organizer: Do we require a duty officerhttp://geekfeminism.**wikia.com/wiki/Conference_** anti-harassment/Duty_officerhttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Duty_officer explicitly? Is it fair/reasonable/workable to have conference staff be in that role? Let's make that me for this year. I hope you won't have to defend yourself or beat up anyone but do report that to me. I will make sure I am *very easy to spot* ;-) -- Gary McGath, Professional Software Developer http://www.garymcgath.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems strange. People did speak up. Some people listened and did something about it; some people objected ~You're spoiling our fun and this kind of reaction is what has the potential to make some people nervous about speaking up, because no-one wants to spoil people's fun. This is what I think Karen was pointing out (in general if I've interpreted this instance beyond her intent) - that if we care enough in the abstract to make a code of conduct then we should also care enough in the abstract to consider how, practically, we're going to help people feel willing to speak up? Note before anyone gets nervous I'm *not* leaping to censorship as a solution. I'm asking: if I'm having fun doing X, and a friend of mine says that actually something about X is making them uncomfortable-as-in-harassed, how should I (and by extension the rest of the community) react in order to resolve the situation without increasing my friend's discomfort? [I really hope you can understand the difference between me wanting to be comfortable in an environment where no-one's harassing me and wanting to be comfortable in an environment where I'm being fed grapes, massaged with vanilla oil, and assured that all the lurkers support me in email. I'm not agitating for the word to be added to the policy if it's not already there because this isn't a court of law and precise diction just doesn't matter, but by the same token if it *were* there then I'm pretty sure that, given the context of it being an anti-harassment policy, any reasonable person would interpret it to mean the former rather than the latter. (And by the same token again, I'm going to drop this at this point because it doesn't matter compared to the main discussion above.)] Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 12:09 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia) --And how did we get from The code of conduct is sufficient so let's not overthink things! to Wait, we need to implement procedures to vote on the code of conduct! anyway?? We got there because you replied that there was an ongoing debate about whether the policy was sufficient enough to deal with any discomfort folks might have about zoia. I still think the policy is sufficient, as it's meant to be used when dealing with incidents in context, not in the abstract. To date, no one has spoken up about an incident where they were harassed by zoia. Unless there's something I missed, it has all been speculation that someone might be harassed in the future. According to the anti-harassment policy, if you read it, no action should be taken. To be clear, I am only uncomfortable with uncomfortable being used in the policy because I wouldn't support it being there. Differing opinions can make people uncomfortable. Since I am not going to stop sharing what may be a dissenting opinion, should I be banned? It's an anti-harassment policy, not a comfort policy. If you want to see something different, it seems that now is the time to step up and change it. :) -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun Ellis Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 10:38 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia) I am uneasy about coming up with a policy for banning people (from what?) and voting on it, before it's demonstrated that it's even needed. Can't we just tackle these issues as they come up, in context, rather than in the abstract? I share your unease. But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is simply another kind of policy. I'm actually more uneasy about ambiguity over what is acceptable, and no agreed upon way to handle it. I don't think the current policy is ready to go to vote as it seems there is still some debate over what it should cover and exactly what type of behavior it is meant to prevent. I suggest there is a set time period to submit objections as GitHub issues and resolve them before we vote. Whatever issues can't get resolved end up in a branch/fork. In the end, we vote on each of the forks, or no policy at all. Does that sound reasonable? -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this
[CODE4LIB] OL support (was Re: [CODE4LIB] Anybody using the Open Library APIs?)
Karen - I've been wondering about this lately, digging around in code at github, noticing a lot of somewhat aging commit dates, etc. I am joining the ol-tech list and will ask there, too, but given your history with the project, do you have a sense of whether IA folks might welcome a modest influx of attention from willing volunteers to help maintain and improve the service? -Dan On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: There is an open library list: ol-t...@archive.org and some API users do answer there. However, Open Library is not currently staffed/supported by the Archive. It's kept running but I'm not clear on the future. kc On 1/21/13 5:04 PM, David Fiander wrote: I'm working on a project that involves collecting information about the books that people own, and the easiest way to do most of that data collection is to collect just the ISBNs for those books that have them, and photograph the title pages of the books that don't. This gets me out of people way quickly and lets me do my data processing later. I've asked OCLC about the requirements for getting an affiliate ID for using their APIs for the project, but while I'm waiting for that, I'm looking at the Open Library APIs. The documentation for the APIs is weak, and it looks like it hasn't been updated for a while. Has anybody used them much, or know what the state of ongoing development of them is? All I'm really looking for at this point is a way to convert an ISBN into basic bibliographic data, and to find any related ISBNs, a la OCLC's xISBN service. - David -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Fitchett, Deborah deborah.fitch...@lincoln.ac.nz wrote: People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems strange. People did speak up. Some people listened and did something about it; some people objected ~You're spoiling our fun and this kind of reaction is what has the potential to make some people nervous about speaking up, because no-one wants to spoil people's fun. When we're talking about you're spoiling our fun, are we talking about zoia's offensive plugins? I don't think I've seen anybody leap to the defense of @mf or @forecast (or any of the others mentioned). Some people have poured some of their craft beers on the ground for their fallen plugins, but I don't think anybody's actually come out and actively objected to cleaning up the bot's language. In fact, on the contrary, I think people have been pretty proactive about looking for the things that need to be cleaned up and trying to archive what's there before cleansing. I am not sure a defense of zoia is the same thing as a defense of @habla or @icp (as two examples). If we're not talking about zoia anymore, then apologies, -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)
When I quote ~you're spoiling our fun it's at the level of a paraphrase of one aspect of a synthesis of actual responses. It wasn't by any means the whole conversation; I don't recall if it was even the whole of any one person's response; but it was one prominent theme that came out of the response to people speaking up about problems with Zoia, and that prominence can be offputting. Mitigating this was that an even more prominent theme was Okay, let's fix things. But this isn't maths and they don't cancel out: they're both there. This all said, I actually don't want to talk about Zoia. I don't want to sound like I'm stomping on people when all I want to say is that this dynamic exists (here, everywhere). And talking about Zoia also feels like a distraction from the question I asked and I think Karen was getting at, which is again: going forward, how do we react when we're having fun and we're made aware that someone else is being hurt by the thing we find fun? I doubt we need a standard operating procedure but it's something really worth thinking about in advance of when it happens. Because it's hard, when that happens (having been there) : one wants to be a good person, but one also wants to have fun. And then there's the ego's self-defense mechanism: a good person wouldn't have fun doing something that hurts someone, and I'm a good person, so since I was having fun it can't really have hurt anyone. Yeah, bad logic, but like I said I've been there and it can take logic a long time to beat the ego over that one if you haven't prepared. Having a code of conduct is fantastic. But if we don't have *at least* vague brainstormy ideas of how we'll react to it when a) Your Best Friend says Complete Stranger is harassing zir; b) YBF says YotherBF is harassing zir; c) CS says YBF is harassing zir; d) CS says you're harassing zir; etc -- then it's just false security, has the same potential for denial or coverups as if there were no such code, and in that case means all the additional pain of broken trust. And for those that think that this is a fantastic group so it's just a waste of time planning for a non-existent situation -- well, I still think it was a little bit there with Zoia (the outline of the pattern if nothing else); but even if you don't agree with that, this is a transferable skill: if we come up with ideas of how we can react here, we can then also use those if similar situations come up in other aspects of our lives. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Friday, 25 January 2013 3:33 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia) On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Fitchett, Deborah deborah.fitch...@lincoln.ac.nz wrote: People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems strange. People did speak up. Some people listened and did something about it; some people objected ~You're spoiling our fun and this kind of reaction is what has the potential to make some people nervous about speaking up, because no-one wants to spoil people's fun. When we're talking about you're spoiling our fun, are we talking about zoia's offensive plugins? I don't think I've seen anybody leap to the defense of @mf or @forecast (or any of the others mentioned). Some people have poured some of their craft beers on the ground for their fallen plugins, but I don't think anybody's actually come out and actively objected to cleaning up the bot's language. In fact, on the contrary, I think people have been pretty proactive about looking for the things that need to be cleaned up and trying to archive what's there before cleansing. I am not sure a defense of zoia is the same thing as a defense of @habla or @icp (as two examples). If we're not talking about zoia anymore, then apologies, -Ross. P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Tablets to help with circulation services
I think iPads are great tools to be used in libraries. Are you guys iRoving or looking into it? On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Ian Walls iwa...@library.umass.edu wrote: The original (white) Square reader is unencrypted, and the output can be read by an app, but you'll need to a) know how to write an app for the platform(s) you wish, and b) figure out how to decode the serial data, which isn't particularly well documented out there in the world. If you're using Chrome Canary, you can load up this page: http://webaudiodemos.appspot.com/AudioRecorder/index.html and connect a Square, and see an oscilloscope output of the data. Again, you'd have to interpret what that serial data means for you, but this is the kind of stuff that will eventually be possible with HTML5, once it's widely adopted. Camera access is also forthcoming in HTML5, so there may come a time when you can natively do barcode scanning using the rear-facing camera of your tablet/smart device. For now, while things still require mobile apps, the most sustainable solution may be to develop the app in Phonegap (http://phonegap.com/) so it's already in HTML5 when the technology is finally ready to just do this in the browser instead of a compiled app. Or, Bluetooth. That works too. -Ian -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Griffey Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:27 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Tablets to help with circulation services FWIW: All of the card-readers I've tested (Square, Paypal) require their particular apps to read...there's no generic output that's readable by the device. At least on iOS, access to the camera is via an API only accessible by an app, which means no generic browser based access to the camera output either. If you were to write an iOS app, of course, all bets are off...you could do what you wanted with the camera, including barcode reading. Android is much less locked down than iOS, but I'm not as familiar with it. If I were doing this, I'd look into using a bluetooth scanner in combo with the tablet. In that case, the scanner just presents as if it were a keyboard, passing the data off to the tablet just as if it were keyed in. That would work in-browser, in app, or where ever. We're considering this model as a possibility for some services in our new building, with the hangup being desensitization of the materials after checkout. Jason On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Stephen Francoeur stephen.franco...@gmail.com wrote: We're looking into ways that tablets might be used by library staff assisting patrons in a long line at the circ desk. With a tablet, an additional staff person could pick folks off the line who might have things that can be handled on a properly outfitted tablet. I am wondering if anyone has any examples of a library using the camera on a tablet to scan barcodes on library materials (for check out or check in) or if anyone has used one of those magnetic stripe readers that you can attach to some tablets (such as the Square Register for the iPad which can be used to process credit cards)? I'm sure it's been done with a netbook; we're solely interested in doing this with a tablet. We're trying to see if we can install the GUI for Ex Libris Aleph on a tablet running Microsoft RT. If this might work on tablets running Android or iOS, that would be interesting as well. Any examples or thoughts about this would be most welcome. Thanks! Stephen Francoeur User Experience Librarian Newman Library Room 516 Baruch College 151 E. 25th Street New York, NY 10010 646.312.1620 stephen.franco...@baruch.cuny.edu http://stephenfrancoeur.com -- Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Compound interest is the greatest invention in the history of mankind. - Albert Einstein-
Re: [CODE4LIB] Introduction
Com e Code4LibCon at UIC. There are still a couple days left to buy tickets! http://www.regonline.com/code4lib2013 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Sorry for being rude. I asked a question without first introducing myself. My name is Cornel Darden Jr. I work for the City Colleges of Chicago as a Librarian. I just recently joined the listserv and may even attend the conference if its not too late. Its awesome that its being held in Chicago. I graduated from Library Science school in 2010. I enjoy coding as it makes me feel free to do what ever i need or want with information; especially when its for libraries. I am very new to coding but am learning fast. If Anyone is in the Chicago area please let me know. It would be nice to meet some other coding librarians in my area as I currently have met quite a few librarians but none that code. Thanks, -- Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Compound interest is the greatest invention in the history of mankind. - Albert Einstein- -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
