Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Cornel Darden Jr.]

Hello,

There needs to be an organization with the people who are apart of Code4lib
that does the same things and more.

Thanks,

Cornel Darden Jr.
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On Jun 7, 2016 2:32 PM, "Coral Sheldon-Hess"  wrote:

> I think this deserves its own thread--thanks for bringing it up, Christina!
>
> I'm also interested in investigating how to formalize Code4Lib as an
> entity, for all of the reasons listed earlier in the thread. I can't
> volunteer to be the leader/torch-bearer/main source of energy behind the
> investigation right now (sorry), but I'm happy to join any group that takes
> this on. I might be willing to *co*-lead, if that is what it takes to get
> the process started.
>
> And, yes, anyone who has talked to me or read my rants about the
> proliferation of library professional organizations is going to think my
> volunteering for this is really funny. But I think forming a group to
> gather information gives us the chance to determine, as a community,
> whether Code4Lib delivers enough value and has enough of a separate
> identity to be worth forming Yet Another Professional Organization (my gut
> answer, today? "yes"), or whether we would do better to fold into, or
> become a sub-entity of, some existing organization; or, (unlikely) should
> Code4Lib stop being A Big International Thing and just do regional stuff?
> Or some other option I haven't listed--I don't even know what all the
> options are, right now.
>
> One note on the "no, let's not organize" sentiment: the problem with a flat
> organization, or an anarchist collective, or a complete "do-ocracy," is
> that the decision-making structures aren't as obvious to newcomers, or even
> long-term members who aren't already part of those structures. There is
> value to formality, within reason. I mean... right now, I don't know how to
> go about getting "permission" to form this exploratory group, right? Having
> some kind of formal structure would help.
>
> So... how do we do that? Can we do that? Who wants to help?
>
> - Coral
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Salazar, Christina <
> christina.sala...@csuci.edu> wrote:
>
> > It's probably too late for a 2017 but I really do think it's time to
> > reopen the question of formalizing Code4Lib IF ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF
> > BEING THE FIDUCIARY AGENT for the annual conference.
> >
> > Local (and national) politics aside, it's very difficult to stand in
> front
> > of your boss (or worse, a total stranger) and ask them to be willing to
> > cover financial liability for an unaffiliated, purely voluntary
> > organization. In addition, we're no longer talking about a couple
> thousand
> > dollars financial liability, we are now getting into a HUNDRED THOUSAND
> > DOLLARS liability.
> >
> > I question the sustainability of this present system for the long term.
> >
> > PS (I know, everyone says no no no, we don't want to be organized, but my
> > feeling is that we need a better way to manage the funding part of the
> > conference... Or choose to go local only.)
> >
> >
> > Christina Salazar
> > Systems Librarian
> > John Spoor Broome Library
> > California State University, Channel Islands
> > 805/437-3198
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Brian Rogers
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:27 AM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Update Regarding C4L17 in Chattanooga
> >
> > Greetings from the Chattanooga C4L17 Planning Committee:
> >
> > This is a follow-up to Andrea Schurr’s May 18th email (
> > https://goo.gl/bs2au7) regarding the survey around potential impact on
> > attendance of the 2017 Code4Lib conference, given the host of
> > discriminatory/concerning legislation in Tennessee.
> >
> > Please see the summary of results below. We thank the individuals who
> took
> > the time to respond and provide thoughtful answers as to the issues at
> > hand, as well as suggest possible solutions. We met as a group last
> Tuesday
> > to decide how to proceed. As many pointed out, they were not easy
> > questions, and so predictably, there were no easy answers.
> >
> > We’ve determined that given this community’s commitment to providing a
> > safe and accommodating environment for all attendees, it is morally and
> > fiscally irresponsible to continue the effort of hosting the annual
> > conference in Chattanooga. This decision was not an easy one, and there
> > were hours of discussion as to the pros and cons of proceeding, informed
> by
> > your responses to the survey, as well as our individual opinions.
> >
> > This decision is additionally informed by the inability to secure a
> fiscal
> > host for the conference. Even prior to legislative concerns, multiple
> > institutions in the southeast took a pass, given the 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Roy Tennant]

All I was saying is that the effort to find/create a permanent fiduciary
agent and finding a 2017 host can be completely independent of each other,
and take parallel paths. I certainly was NOT arguing against seeking a
permanent fiduciary.
Roy

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Salazar, Christina <
christina.sala...@csuci.edu> wrote:

> But not only that, if we have a permanent (insofar as ANYTHING is
> permanent) fiduciary agent, we'll have more flexibility in terms of WHO can
> volunteer to "host" in the future - it wouldn't just be limited to those
> institutions who are willing to take on $100k + in liability.
>
> For example, I suppose OCLC IS willing, but my lil' institution is NOT,
> though we'd be glad to host (but apparently C4L folks aren't really into
> strawberries and former mental hospitals).
>
>
> Christina Salazar
> Systems Librarian
> John Spoor Broome Library
> California State University, Channel Islands
> 805/437-3198
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Brian Rogers
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?
>
> Never hurts to have a working group for 2018 and beyond.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Salazar, Christina]

But not only that, if we have a permanent (insofar as ANYTHING is permanent) 
fiduciary agent, we'll have more flexibility in terms of WHO can volunteer to 
"host" in the future - it wouldn't just be limited to those institutions who 
are willing to take on $100k + in liability.

For example, I suppose OCLC IS willing, but my lil' institution is NOT, though 
we'd be glad to host (but apparently C4L folks aren't really into strawberries 
and former mental hospitals).


Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian 
Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 2:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

Never hurts to have a working group for 2018 and beyond.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Brian Rogers]

Never hurts to have a working group for 2018 and beyond.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Roy Tennant]

I think it's quite likely that we will have at least one proposal for 2017
-- perhaps more. I don't think we need to worry about 2017.
Roy

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Brian Rogers  wrote:

> Agreed on the wording. Because, while at this point I'm guessing we'll be
> able to find a physical home for 2017... if per chance that doesn't
> happen... the rollover money from last year's conference presumably has to
> go somewhere, in the interim.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Brian Rogers]

Agreed on the wording. Because, while at this point I'm guessing we'll be able 
to find a physical home for 2017... if per chance that doesn't happen... the 
rollover money from last year's conference presumably has to go somewhere, in 
the interim.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Salazar, Christina]

Yes I think it's time to do so and I also felt that there was significant 
support for the idea.

I think perhaps the title "formalizing Code4Lib" might be a bit misleading 
though... We might want to frame the idea as "finding a permanent fiduciary 
agent" or something along those lines. This way, we don't have to think about 
major changes all at once.

I imagine it would help those who plan for Code4Lib 2017 as well, assuming that 
there will be a physical one.

Christina Salazar
Systems Librarian
John Spoor Broome Library
California State University, Channel Islands
805/437-3198


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian 
Rogers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 2:20 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

Since the Chattanooga Planning Committee inadvertently prompted this newest 
round of conversations around some degree of formalization, would it be useful 
if we threw together a follow-up survey for the community, to test the waters 
around support (or lack there of) for the notion of formalizing, to the extent 
that it allows for a stable place to house the annual conference funds? And if 
it seems like there is overwhelming support for the idea, a group of volunteers 
can band together at that point to pursue options to present back to the 
community?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Brian Rogers]

Since the Chattanooga Planning Committee inadvertently prompted this newest 
round of conversations around some degree of formalization, would it be useful 
if we threw together a follow-up survey for the community, to test the waters 
around support (or lack there of) for the notion of formalizing, to the extent 
that it allows for a stable place to house the annual conference funds? And if 
it seems like there is overwhelming support for the idea, a group of volunteers 
can band together at that point to pursue options to present back to the 
community?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Brian Rogers]

Ross - no worries whatsoever. Any one who does any kind of online moderation is 
already up for sainthood in my book. :)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Ross Singer]

Sorry about the delay in moderating that: Google jumped into the moderation
screen with my work account (which doesn't have permission for that) which
was then empty (but didn't obviously say "you're in the wrong account and
don't have permission to do this, dummy") so I assumed it was Francis'
message pending and somebody else had already approved it or whatever.

-Ross.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Brian Rogers  wrote:

> Hi Francis -
>
> I sent a reply to your code4libconf Google Group post... but looks like
> it's still in moderation mode.
>
> We're speaking w/the other group on Monday afternoon in a conference call.
> We'll have concrete information to share after that.
>
> - Brian
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Brian Rogers]

I would refer to it less as a back room deal and more to it as, "hey remember 
when no one else aside from Chattanooga submitted a proposal the first 
go-around and there were only two groups who reached out after Andrea's first 
email several weeks back in the spirit of rescuing this thing well this is the 
second of those two groups" sort of conversation. But certainly if several 
cities want to put in for it now, by all means. Up to the community.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Roy Tennant]

I think that this needs to be opened up again to solicit any and all
proposals. Doing a back room deal seems quite unlike Code4Lib, even given
the need to find another host rapidly. We can do an immediate call for
proposals, end it in two weeks, and take a week to vote. Three weeks and
done, in an open and inclusive process.
Roy

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Brian Rogers  wrote:

> Hi Francis -
>
> I sent a reply to your code4libconf Google Group post... but looks like
> it's still in moderation mode.
>
> We're speaking w/the other group on Monday afternoon in a conference call.
> We'll have concrete information to share after that.
>
> - Brian
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Brian Rogers]

Hi Francis -

I sent a reply to your code4libconf Google Group post... but looks like it's 
still in moderation mode.

We're speaking w/the other group on Monday afternoon in a conference call. 
We'll have concrete information to share after that.

- Brian

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Roy Tennant]

I agree that a Call for Proposals should go out and other groups be invited
to apply. It is still early enough for an energized group to pull off a
Feb/Mar event.
Roy

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Becky Yoose  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. There is a host site that has contacted Chattanooga Planning
> > Committee and informed us they are actively seeking a fiscal host and
> > should know shortly
> >
> > Our request is can we have progress report from this other group?
> > (Deadline?)
> >
>
> I'm not sure if Brian was referring to me in terms of the other "host
> site"; however, after some shaking of the evergreen trees in Seattle I was
> unable to find a solid fiscal host prospect on our end for 2017. Long
> story...
>
> Cheers and happy to hear that others are looking at hosting 2017 this late
> in the game,
> Becky
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Tom Johnson]

+1 to a CFP

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> We (Christina Harlow and I) are writing to follow up on the message to
> from Brian Rogers to Code4lib on 2016-06-07. Specifically the bit
> about
>
> ...
> 1. There is a host site that has contacted Chattanooga Planning
> Committee and informed us they are actively seeking a fiscal host and
> should know shortly
>
> Neither Christina or I are keen on scuppering their efforts if they
> have made significant progress. That said it is our hope that a
> conference *WILL* take place. We would like to work on a proposal to
> bring Code4lib to "The Empire State" in the summer of 2017 but will
> want to have close to a full year to prepare for this.
>
> Our request is can we have progress report from this other group?
> (Deadline?)
> Post a new call for proposals?
> Other?
>
>
> Cheers,
> ./fxk
>
> --
> Finagle's Fifth Law:
> Always draw your curves, then plot your readings.
>

[CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Francis Kayiwa]

Hey all,

We (Christina Harlow and I) are writing to follow up on the message to
from Brian Rogers to Code4lib on 2016-06-07. Specifically the bit
about

...
1. There is a host site that has contacted Chattanooga Planning
Committee and informed us they are actively seeking a fiscal host and
should know shortly

Neither Christina or I are keen on scuppering their efforts if they
have made significant progress. That said it is our hope that a
conference *WILL* take place. We would like to work on a proposal to
bring Code4lib to "The Empire State" in the summer of 2017 but will
want to have close to a full year to prepare for this.

Our request is can we have progress report from this other group? 
(Deadline?)

Post a new call for proposals?
Other?


Cheers,
./fxk

--
Finagle's Fifth Law:
Always draw your curves, then plot your readings.

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib? [diy]

[Benjamin Armintor]

Thank you, Coral and Tom. I'd also like us to:

1. stop characterizing regional meetings as DIY, as if we have outsourced
the organizing of the national meeting somehow without doing it ourselves.
Many people worked hard to put the 2016 meeting (and all the others) on,
and they don't deserve to have their efforts minimized this way.

2. stop acting like the people participating in this on-list discussion
aren't aware of the list archives and/or wiki.

3. resist the temptation toward facile technology and/or publishing
metaphors, especially ones that seem to ignore the vigorous discussion of
economies of centralization & decentralization (including more than one
call for more regional meetings, if I remember correctly) that happened at
C4L16.

4. recognize that there are numerous good-faith reasons people are
interested in national meetings, not least of which is to provide the
context for the TEI-style meetings that Eric mentions.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Tom Johnson <
johnson.tom+code4...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I appreciate that you're trying to make a call to action, but this latest
> email is stunningly condescending.
>
> As I'm sure you must know, people in this community do hold regional
> meetings. These meetings take substantial effort to arrange. The wiki is
> full of documentation, advice, and lessons learned the hard way by the many
> people who have done this work over the years.
>
> The result has been a vibrant community which has had an important
> influence on technology practice in libraries and played a key role in
> establishing the careers of some of the most talented people working in
> this field. I can't see why you would want to erase that in favor of a
> 12-step guide to holding a meetup that you dashed together for an email.
>
> We can debate the merits of holding a national conference, but let's not
> begin that debate by pretending that the regional meetups are so easy to
> hold that they just happen like magic. They don't, and they never have.
>
> - Tom
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Eric Lease Morgan 
> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One note about what we're discussing: when we talk about just doing the
> > > regional events (and I mean beyond 2017, which will be a special case
> if
> > a
> > > host city can't step in), we need to realize that we have a lot of
> > members
> > > who aren't in a Code4Lib region.
> > >
> > > You might think I'm talking about Alaska, because that's where I lived
> > when
> > > I first came to a Code4Lib conference. And that's certainly one place,
> > > along with Hawaii, that would be left out.
> > >
> > > But even living in Pittsburgh, I'm not in a Code4Lib region, that I can
> > > tell. Pittsburgh isn't in the midwest, and we also aren't part of the
> > > tri-state region that Philly's in. I'm employed (part-time/remote) in
> the
> > > DC/MD region, so if I can afford the drive and hotel, that's probably
> the
> > > one I'd pick right now. I guess?
> > >
> > > So, even landlocked in the continental US, it's possible not to have a
> > > region.
> > >
> > > More importantly, though: my understanding is that our international
> > > members are fairly spread out -- maybe Code4Lib Japan being an
> exception?
> > > -- so, even ignoring weird cases like Pittsburgh, we stand to lose some
> > > really fantastic contributors to our community if we drop to
> > regional-only.
> > >
> > > Just something else to consider.
> > > - Coral
> >
> >
> > Interesting. Consider searching one or more of the existing Code4Lib
> > mailing list archives for things Pittsburg:
> >
> >   * https://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/
> >   * http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/
> >   * https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CODE4LIB
> >
> > I’d be willing to be you can identify six or seven Code4Lib’ers in the
> > results. You could then suggest a “meet-up”, a get together over lunch,
> or
> > to have them visit you in your space or a near-by public library. Even if
> > there are only three of you, then things will get started, and it will
> grow
> > from there. I promise. —Eric Morgan
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib? [diy]

[Mike Giarlo]

There are advantages and disadvantages of having a loose-y, goose-y community 
like code4lib. This conversation has surfaced some of the disadvantages. One of 
the advantages is that there is no need to come to consensus for a group of 
interested people to harness their collective energy and enthusiasm and explore 
new options.

In other words, those of you who are interested in engaging and securing a 
fiduciary agent for annual national conferences should know that you are 
empowered to do so without a "blessing" from anyone! Sometimes it takes a 
concrete proposal to win people over -- and sometimes, people won't be won over 
at all.

--
Michael J. Giarlo
Technical Manager, Hydra-in-a-Box project
Software Architect, Digital Library Systems & Services
Stanford University Libraries
mjgia...@stanford.edu
+1 (206) 402-4473


From: Code for Libraries  on behalf of Tom Johnson 

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:38
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib? [diy]

Eric,

I appreciate that you're trying to make a call to action, but this latest
email is stunningly condescending.

As I'm sure you must know, people in this community do hold regional
meetings. These meetings take substantial effort to arrange. The wiki is
full of documentation, advice, and lessons learned the hard way by the many
people who have done this work over the years.

The result has been a vibrant community which has had an important
influence on technology practice in libraries and played a key role in
establishing the careers of some of the most talented people working in
this field. I can't see why you would want to erase that in favor of a
12-step guide to holding a meetup that you dashed together for an email.

We can debate the merits of holding a national conference, but let's not
begin that debate by pretending that the regional meetups are so easy to
hold that they just happen like magic. They don't, and they never have.

- Tom

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess 
> wrote:
>
> > One note about what we're discussing: when we talk about just doing the
> > regional events (and I mean beyond 2017, which will be a special case if
> a
> > host city can't step in), we need to realize that we have a lot of
> members
> > who aren't in a Code4Lib region.
> >
> > You might think I'm talking about Alaska, because that's where I lived
> when
> > I first came to a Code4Lib conference. And that's certainly one place,
> > along with Hawaii, that would be left out.
> >
> > But even living in Pittsburgh, I'm not in a Code4Lib region, that I can
> > tell. Pittsburgh isn't in the midwest, and we also aren't part of the
> > tri-state region that Philly's in. I'm employed (part-time/remote) in the
> > DC/MD region, so if I can afford the drive and hotel, that's probably the
> > one I'd pick right now. I guess?
> >
> > So, even landlocked in the continental US, it's possible not to have a
> > region.
> >
> > More importantly, though: my understanding is that our international
> > members are fairly spread out -- maybe Code4Lib Japan being an exception?
> > -- so, even ignoring weird cases like Pittsburgh, we stand to lose some
> > really fantastic contributors to our community if we drop to
> regional-only.
> >
> > Just something else to consider.
> > - Coral
>
>
> Interesting. Consider searching one or more of the existing Code4Lib
> mailing list archives for things Pittsburg:
>
>   * https://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/
>   * http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/
>   * https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CODE4LIB
>
> I’d be willing to be you can identify six or seven Code4Lib’ers in the
> results. You could then suggest a “meet-up”, a get together over lunch, or
> to have them visit you in your space or a near-by public library. Even if
> there are only three of you, then things will get started, and it will grow
> from there. I promise. —Eric Morgan
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib? [diy]

[Tom Johnson]

Eric,

I appreciate that you're trying to make a call to action, but this latest
email is stunningly condescending.

As I'm sure you must know, people in this community do hold regional
meetings. These meetings take substantial effort to arrange. The wiki is
full of documentation, advice, and lessons learned the hard way by the many
people who have done this work over the years.

The result has been a vibrant community which has had an important
influence on technology practice in libraries and played a key role in
establishing the careers of some of the most talented people working in
this field. I can't see why you would want to erase that in favor of a
12-step guide to holding a meetup that you dashed together for an email.

We can debate the merits of holding a national conference, but let's not
begin that debate by pretending that the regional meetups are so easy to
hold that they just happen like magic. They don't, and they never have.

- Tom

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess 
> wrote:
>
> > One note about what we're discussing: when we talk about just doing the
> > regional events (and I mean beyond 2017, which will be a special case if
> a
> > host city can't step in), we need to realize that we have a lot of
> members
> > who aren't in a Code4Lib region.
> >
> > You might think I'm talking about Alaska, because that's where I lived
> when
> > I first came to a Code4Lib conference. And that's certainly one place,
> > along with Hawaii, that would be left out.
> >
> > But even living in Pittsburgh, I'm not in a Code4Lib region, that I can
> > tell. Pittsburgh isn't in the midwest, and we also aren't part of the
> > tri-state region that Philly's in. I'm employed (part-time/remote) in the
> > DC/MD region, so if I can afford the drive and hotel, that's probably the
> > one I'd pick right now. I guess?
> >
> > So, even landlocked in the continental US, it's possible not to have a
> > region.
> >
> > More importantly, though: my understanding is that our international
> > members are fairly spread out -- maybe Code4Lib Japan being an exception?
> > -- so, even ignoring weird cases like Pittsburgh, we stand to lose some
> > really fantastic contributors to our community if we drop to
> regional-only.
> >
> > Just something else to consider.
> > - Coral
>
>
> Interesting. Consider searching one or more of the existing Code4Lib
> mailing list archives for things Pittsburg:
>
>   * https://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/
>   * http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/
>   * https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CODE4LIB
>
> I’d be willing to be you can identify six or seven Code4Lib’ers in the
> results. You could then suggest a “meet-up”, a get together over lunch, or
> to have them visit you in your space or a near-by public library. Even if
> there are only three of you, then things will get started, and it will grow
> from there. I promise. —Eric Morgan
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib? [diy]

[Eric Lease Morgan]

On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess  wrote:

> One note about what we're discussing: when we talk about just doing the
> regional events (and I mean beyond 2017, which will be a special case if a
> host city can't step in), we need to realize that we have a lot of members
> who aren't in a Code4Lib region.
> 
> You might think I'm talking about Alaska, because that's where I lived when
> I first came to a Code4Lib conference. And that's certainly one place,
> along with Hawaii, that would be left out.
> 
> But even living in Pittsburgh, I'm not in a Code4Lib region, that I can
> tell. Pittsburgh isn't in the midwest, and we also aren't part of the
> tri-state region that Philly's in. I'm employed (part-time/remote) in the
> DC/MD region, so if I can afford the drive and hotel, that's probably the
> one I'd pick right now. I guess?
> 
> So, even landlocked in the continental US, it's possible not to have a
> region.
> 
> More importantly, though: my understanding is that our international
> members are fairly spread out -- maybe Code4Lib Japan being an exception?
> -- so, even ignoring weird cases like Pittsburgh, we stand to lose some
> really fantastic contributors to our community if we drop to regional-only.
> 
> Just something else to consider.
> - Coral


Interesting. Consider searching one or more of the existing Code4Lib mailing 
list archives for things Pittsburg:

  * https://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/
  * http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/
  * https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CODE4LIB

I’d be willing to be you can identify six or seven Code4Lib’ers in the results. 
You could then suggest a “meet-up”, a get together over lunch, or to have them 
visit you in your space or a near-by public library. Even if there are only 
three of you, then things will get started, and it will grow from there. I 
promise. —Eric Morgan