Re: Plans For Docathon@ApacheEU2006
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: If there is anything on http://www.apache.org/ and across the foundation's websites that ever bothered you, *docathon* is your answer. Committers with site-wide access will be available to solve these issues and get suggestions committed to the site(s). [Please don't assault the docathon team with project-specific doc issues, however. Take those to the projects themselves.] And if anyone has an answer offhand, I'm looking for a tool that does six degrees of separation analysis across our sites, to determine which pages are so far removed that they are impossible for the average Joe to find. If you have leads on this, please email me pointers directly. Thanks Roy wrote something that sort of did this, long ago. I love the idea. Bill robert burrell donkin wrote: Problem: the foundation and incubator documentation Solution: docathon Those who aren't going to be at ApacheCon EU 2006 in body are very welcome to participate through IRC #asfdocathon at freenode. This channel will also be used for ad hoc communication. Those interested should subscribe to community@apache.org for follow ups. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 1400 hours Dublin time (1300 UTC) on Monday has been pencilled in for a more focused gathering. Cliff Schmidt and myself will be around both Monday and Tuesday at the hackathon working on documentation. Anyone willing to lend a hand should feel free to drop in any time. Gathering to tackle particular documentation problems (for example, incubator project templates) will be arranged by an ad hoc basis through IRC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those in Dublin on Sunday, folks will be meeting late afternoon-early evening in one of the hotel bars for planning/socialising/discussing what exactly a docathon is. We might even write some documentation as well. Details will (hopefully) be posted (once they are know) to community@apache.org or just wander around until you find someone with a laptop :-) If there's demand, then we could find a room one evening later in the week. BTW if you're going to attend the hackathon, please remember to sign up https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/hackathons/ApacheCon_Europe.txt - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PGP Global Directory] Verify Email Address - what do people think?
Shane Curcuru wrote: Anyone with a PGP key on the pgp.com keyserver likely has gotten one or more of these emails recently. I'm figuring it's legit, see http://www.pgp.com/downloads/beta/globaldirectory/faq.html It is legit. - Any security types have a decent analysis of what the new pgp.com's Directory really means, vs. using other keyservers? The point about this new one is it allows keys that are wrong (i.e. do not belong to the email address) or no longer have private keys available to be expired. - Hey: how many of us still see the pgp.com keyserver as a useful thing for building the Apache web-of-trust, versus other keyservers or simply managing keys individually? They are a convenient way to get keys. I use them all the time. A couple of things in the FAQ are interesting: - Only supports v4 keys - no RSA legacy keys (they get deleted before being posted in the directory) This is a long-standing whine by PGP types - compatibility issues, basically. - Verifies keys every 6 months by requiring a clickthru response to emails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; only keys with email addr are supported. See above. - *Only* signatures from other keys that are also in the Directory are supported: other signatures are removed before being exposed in the Directory. (This one is mildly annoying) I wonder how many out of their claimed 107 signatures on my key will remain after this check. I'm not sure of the motivation for this one - I'll take it up with the guy in charge if you want. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update to mailing lists page
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right. Excellent; that's a useful suggestion for a solution. Done. The left-hand side now shows the highwater mark for subscriptions, and the right-hand side shows it for posts. I must've missed the Page Length Tax announcement ;-) Didn't you hear? Tsk, tsk.. So why don't you have the peak right at the top instead of wasting the top 20% - isn't there extra tax for blank sections? -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update to mailing lists page
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis? No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes sense. As I said, The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!' Trying to put numbers on it would require two sets of numbers, in two colours, on both axes. And to make them legible would require enlarging the image, which would make the page considerably longer. The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right. I must've missed the Page Length Tax announcement ;-) -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)
Brian Behlendorf wrote: Comments? Is there anything the community thinks we could do to address the situation? Try to encourage sensible writing? I mean, it'd be cool if there were more women in open source, but the whole idea that open source should rely less on clue and stop being about writing code is just completely dim. BTW, isn't it amusing that as soon as you see FLOSS you can be 99% sure that what follows is going to be clueless or irrelevant? Or probably both. BTW, supporting this whole argument with a discussion about women in computer science is even more daft. Their own quote sums it up: Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. Well, wake up and smell the coffee, boys and girls, open source is _all about_ computers. Cheers, Ben. -- ApacheCon! 13-17 November! http://www.apachecon.com/ http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inexpensive Lists
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:20 PM -0400 Brian McCallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that if 3 ASF'ers want to discuss a topic via email, and think a mailing list would help, there should be a mechanism to simply have it created, bang. Just my 2 cents =) Mailing lists without PMC oversight should be treated with extreme caution. Lists without the necessary oversight might expose the ASF to unwanted liability. Get real. How is that going to happen? Are you seriously suggesting that the ASF is responsible for what people post to lists? The ASF isn't a personal soapbox medium: it's meant to facilitate collaborative software projects. For example, this list (community@) is a *horrible* waste of time that adds little value: almost every topic here has a more appropriate list elsewhere in the ASF (or, ideally, outside of the ASF). But, people seem to use this list as a dumping ground and are often too lazy to think about what the 'proper' list is - instead they just post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is not an example of exposing ASF to unwanted liability. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheCon Europe???
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On May 5, 2004, at 1:32 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote: Why not just organise an ASF get together anyways? Doesn't have to be associated with a conference does it? Would probably be cheaper as well. I guess a lot of us are more after the real life meetings than the sessions anyway. It is easy to host one here in Leiden (15 minutes from Amsterdam Airport). One of the churches which acts as a WiFi node in the city network has an ideal room for 15-30 people; there is another location for 30-100 people - and it is easy to get coffee/tea/lunch served there. Cost wise expect around 100/person for a two day hackathon including 2 lunches, beers, 1 dinner, connectivity, powerstrips, beamer, etc. So long as dinner is rijstaffel ;-) -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheCon Europe???
Torsten Curdt wrote: David Reid wrote: Hi community There are several committers I know here in Europe who'd very much love an ApacheCon in our vicinity. I'm pretty sure we could even have a number of volunteers for a serious Apache event. Not just the occasional booth at some IT fair. I'm pretty sure we're coming out empty this year but hopefully next year? Why not just organise an ASF get together anyways? Doesn't have to be associated with a conference does it? Would probably be cheaper as well. I guess a lot of us are more after the real life meetings than the sessions anyway. This sounds like a really good idea! What place would you propose? * Berlin * Frankfurt * London * Paris * Rom * Zürich * ... If people want to meet in London, I have a big house... -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious to explore it... What about those of us who never[1] write blogs? Cheers, Ben. [1] OK, I did write one once when I was _really_ pissed off. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004
Greg Stein wrote: * Last November, Roy Fielding resigned his position as a Director of the ASF in order to have more time to get real work done. Thus, we had a vacancy on the Board which needed to be filled. The Board appointed Sander Striker to fill that seat until the next ASF Members Meeting to be held sometime around June; the Members will elect a new Board at that time. Thanks for all your efforts Roy, and welcome to the Board, Sander! For the record, the general sense on the board was that we'd rather have held an election for the new director than appointed someone, but no-one had the time and energy to organise it. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FOSDEM
David N. Welton wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of going to FOSDEM this year... who else is going? I keep meaning to, so you can count me as a definite maybe! -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Humor] robot.txt
Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote: For the record, Stanislaw Lem is my favorite (by far) sciense fiction writer... And if you ever got to see the original Tarkovsky's Solaris (in Russian) movie, that's really good too :-) And I was going to say that the only thing more boring than Solaris the book was the movie (yes, I do mean the original one, haven't seen the remake). And I like Lem, mostly :-) I vastly prefer The Futurological Congress, myself. And not just because of the papalshooter (it was in that book, right?). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Humor] robot.txt
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:07:04 -0500 (EST) (Subject: Re: [Humor] robot.txt) Gregory \(Grisha\) Trubetskoy wrote: For the record, Stanislaw Lem is my favorite (by far) sciense fiction writer... And if you ever got to see the original Tarkovsky's Solaris (in Russian) movie, that's really good too :-) HmHm (memo). I found it that some of his/her science fictions have been translated into our language (japanese) by our Russian teacher when I was in the university. -- i learned Russian as a second foreign language. Stanislaw Lem was actually Polish. And has anyone mentioned he coined the word robot (it's Polish for worker). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Humor] robot.txt
Joerg Pietschmann wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: Stanislaw Lem was actually Polish. And has anyone mentioned he coined the word robot (it's Polish for worker). The last one isn't correct. The originator of the word robot was a czech guy named Karel Capek: http://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/projects/actipret/robot.html Cool! Thanks. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bogus subs to mailing lists (more?)
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: Classified for reading until I finish a proposal ;-) A nice scheme against spam, I read about some time ago, was about requiring the email sender to compute a computationally difficult challenge before the email was accepted, for uknown/untrusted senders, something that could take 1 sec CPU time for a reasonable processor. The idea was raising the cost of sending spam and putting it where it belongs. Trusted senders, like the ASF, for instance, would not be required to do it. So, a spammer would have to pay like 1 TeraInstruction per message, and a reasonable PC would send no more than say 3000 spams per hour. This, BTW, would make desirable to send signed messages for bulk senders, since those would be much cheaper to send. Ouch. Daedalus.apache.org sends out over 1M messages per day, and at bursty times 100 per second. How do we convince a non-trivial number of hosts to trust us and not require that computation? You require hash-cash for list postings and sign them for redistribution. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bogus subs to mailing lists (more?)
Ben Hyde wrote: On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 12:08 PM, Ben Laurie wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: Classified for reading until I finish a proposal ;-) A nice scheme against spam, I read about some time ago, was about requiring the email sender to compute a computationally difficult challenge before the email was accepted, for uknown/untrusted senders, something that could take 1 sec CPU time for a reasonable processor. The idea was raising the cost of sending spam and putting it where it belongs. Trusted senders, like the ASF, for instance, would not be required to do it. So, a spammer would have to pay like 1 TeraInstruction per message, and a reasonable PC would send no more than say 3000 spams per hour. This, BTW, would make desirable to send signed messages for bulk senders, since those would be much cheaper to send. Ouch. Daedalus.apache.org sends out over 1M messages per day, and at bursty times 100 per second. How do we convince a non-trivial number of hosts to trust us and not require that computation? You require hash-cash for list postings and sign them for redistribution. Such a signature would, i hope, assert little. It would assert that the mailing list saw hashcash it considered adequate. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to get pgp keys signed
Eric Cholet wrote: Joerg Pietschmann a écrit : Lars Eilebrecht wrote: Should I really loose all my disks and all backups are unreadable, I would still be able to revoke my key and to create a new one. Which is not of much help in reading still encrypted stuff lying around somewhere else...you know, if it wasn't important, it would a) not be encrypted b) not backed up and therefore gone in the same disk crash which ate the key anyway... Ah, the psychology of computer geeks... :-) J.Pietschmann Heh... but the ASF's interest in PGP is for its signatures, not encryption. Not strictly true - really, security discussions should be encrypted. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Web Of Trust, was Re: [FYI] Apache Agora 1.2
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 15:35 Europe/Rome, Ben Laurie wrote: Speaking of which: where's those t-shirt designs, dammit? I would gladly to the graphic design part but don't have any idea on what to write on it :-( Well, you gotta mention 2003, Las Vegas, Apache and Hackathon. I wanted to use my sister's slogan: It's big and it's clever for the back. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How ASF membership works and what it means
robert burrell donkin wrote: one interesting consequence of a general move within jakarta towards extensive unit testing is that the time required to commit patches has significantly increased. my experience now is that creating good unit tests takes more than the time it takes to write the code. i'm also now more aware that good documentation is crucial and spend more time creating documentation. this increases the time required to review and approve patches from developers. as code bases become more mature, more and more care also has to be taken when committing patches. it's rare that i can review and commit any patch in less than an hour. i only have a certain amount of time available for work on apache projects and so the rate of improvement either slows or more bodies are required. i'd be interested to discover how other, longer established projects solve similar problems. Presumably the idea behind unit testing is that it reduces the time spent chasing bugs. If the overall effect is not less developer time used per unit of functionality, then I have to wonder what the point is. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: that map
David Reid wrote: Now, now Danny - don't exaggerate :) Yeah, we've told you a million times not to... Cheers, Ben. david Look at http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkx/sgala.html there is a zoomable map, courtesy of asemantics and dirkx. Awesome! I zoomed right in, I swear I could almost see myself through the open window ;-) d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The web of trust
Rich Bowen wrote: I went to a keysigning last night, and started playing with some software for graphing the web of trust. I have generated some images that are kinda cool, and you can see them at http://apacheadmin.com/gpg/ I generated this using graphviz (http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/) and sig2dot.pl (http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/sig2dot/) The procedure for generating one of these from your keyring is: gpg --list-sigs | ./sig2dot.pl keyring.dot neato -Tps keyring.dot keyring.ps convert keyring.ps keyring.jpg convert -size 100x200 keyring.jpg keyring_thumb.jpg A couple notes, should you try this at home. 1) I could not figure out how to get it to just run from a particular keyring, and so I actually moved my real keyring to a backup, and replaced it with the one I wanted to work with. There's probably another way to do this. 2) If there are more than 100 or so keys on a ring, this takes an enormous amount of time and memory. I tried to generate one for my entire keyring, and gave up after an hour. 3) I have wasted the entire morning doing this. Be warned that, if you're into this kind of thing, you may not get anything done for the rest of the day. So, at least somebody tell me that this is the coolest thing you have seen today, so that I don't feel like I have completely watest my time. ;-) 4) No, I don't know what the colors mean. I know that I saw it explained somewhere, but I don't remember where, or what the explanation was. This is kinda cool, I wonder if you updated the sigs from the keyservers or just used KEYS files? I ask coz I suspect the KEYS files have not been properly updated since ApacheCon, where much signing was done. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How get on the map!
Ben Hyde wrote: Dirk-Willem, Santiago - too cool! Thanks to all for fixing my typos and adding more doco! I can't make maps at until I convince one of the machines in my house to build a version of xworld with tiff and gif||png support. 39 people in committers/urls.txt, but that's a small subset the 600+ in /etc/passwd. From an architectural point some things I'm thinking about. 1. The data gathering should be separate from the report/map generation. 2. Privacy policy statements are badly needed, particularly when you want to display more interesting data, like time of last commit. This is, darn it, an interesting design problem. Sounds like a playground for something Libertyesque! Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)
Aaron Bannert wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wtf roflmao ROFLMAO: rolling on floor laughing my ass off (wtf is a cool utility) I like - where does it come from? Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: [RFC] prototype committers list with links
James Strachan wrote: From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: In the case of Maven, it would seem to me that a bio/ or homepage/ element inside developer/ elements in project.xml files would be most appropriate. Working on adding url/ element as we speak. Gah; bike shedding at work! Just having each project (and the member list) keep it updated via their own pages seems much simpler and in a very simple way it makes it clear that the committer did an opt-in. Actually, I don't believe so. The proposed url/ element will presumably be added to the input source from which the Maven Project Team page is generated. It will still be up to the individual to explicitly provide it, and will be monitored and maintained by the project. After that point, one of us will screen scrape it. ;-) You won't need to screen scrape. You could use XPath / XSLT... http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-turbine-maven/project.xml?rev=HEAD search for //developer Looks like there'll be a new homepage element in there soon too... Doesn't this lead to loads of duplication of developer info? Surely they need to be included by reference? Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Subtle barriers to entry
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Chuck Murcko wrote: I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people can get on the mailing lists. since i answer the asf email, this is something that has bugged the crap out of me, and about which i have complained several times to no avail. there is no canonical project/mailing-lists.html location to which i can point people for j random project, so i have to tell them to search the project site for the info. that sucks. Perhaps one of the things we should to at the hackathon is to try to spec out the everything-you-need-to-know-about-project-X XML format... Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
