Re: Update to mailing lists page
Quoting Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis? No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes sense. As I said, The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!' Trying to put numbers on it would require two sets of numbers, in two colours, on both axes. And to make them legible would require enlarging the image, which would make the page considerably longer. The second paragraph on the page is contextually removed from the graphs. Personally, I only looked at the graphs and didn't have a clue what the blue lines and red lines meant. Labels without units would be nice. Or just a small key or legend link by each graph which targets the 2nd paragraph (which then should be labelled key or legend). Sorry for so much nit-pickyness. It's really cool to see the work you've put in to this. -- Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organizational analysis of ASF codebases
http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/html/downloads/woss-icse-2004.pdf I hadn't seen this before; hopefully others will find this interesting also. -- Dave Brondsema signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges
Steven Noels wrote: On 15 Oct 2004, at 02:11, thorsten wrote: what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the normal evolution of Apache incubation projects. Hm. That's quite some statement to make. Any fact to back that up? Of course, this could and should not happen - ever. But seriously: how would such power lay in the hands of mentors? Isn't someone supposed to disregard such pushy politics, whatever their origin is? But first and foremost, I'd like to know if and where this has been happening - because you seem to suggest so. /Steven A few weeks ago, many people encouraged Niclas Hedhman not to bring private matters into the public here. Now, some people want this issue brought into public, whereas others say it should be handled only with the Incubator PMC, or possibly the Board. Upon further thinking, I see that you, Steven, are on the Incubator PMC so perhaps you wanted to know about this, but in private. If so, that wasn't entirely clear. Let's keep our signals straight. -- Dave Brondsema signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
speakers
My college's computer science club is looking to find non-local speakers this year. Would anybody from the ASF like to speak in Michigan? The topic would be open, but something generally appealing (e.g. ASF it's impact, using open source in business, etc) would be better than something like optimizing Lucene. Tips for soliciting talks from other OSS/academic groups would be welcome too. Thanks, Dave Brondsema http://www.brondsema.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Ohio LinuxFest
Rich Bowen wrote: Are any of you fine folks planning to be at the Ohio LinuxFest next weekend? ohiolinux.org If so, please drop me a note so we can meet up at some point. I'll be there, PGP key in hand. -- Dave Brondsema signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Style of community building
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. IMHO, 1. Metro doesn't belong any more in Avalon than Cocoon belongs in Tomcat. 2. The described 'worst-case' scenario, makes me not inclined to take Merlin away from the ASF. from that follows a set of options, a. A TLP. b. The Incubator. c. Another project/federation. a. is what we have opted for as the most preferred scenario from our perspective. b. is in the group considered a death sentence. Be that an overstatement, some users are indicating it to be a signal of the negative kind. c. we are unable to see that the technology fits naturally within any other project, but I am all ears if there is an opinion towards this. The incubator should not be considered a death sentence. It is only such for projects which will die anyway. The death of an incubated project is less negative for PR, etc. than the death of a TLP. The incubator defines a process for a new project to get approval to become a TLP. If you believe Metro will be a successful project, moving it quickly through the incubator should not be difficult. -- Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming http://csx.calvin.edu : student org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apache Community Worldwide -- again i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map? Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (list)? I am afraid that some new committers (and old ones who have not been guided properly) would not know the existence of committers module ... etc. etc. The matter is worse, there are many who do not know this list! This is a chance to evangelize them. :) I will do the volunteer of notification if needed (and if there's no one else to volunteer) P.S. ICBM howto is in committers/krell/FAQ .. IIRC. I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of the existence of so many semi-private lists/resources. E.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, planetapache.org, etc. I think it would be good to announce these again. Perhaps an automatic welcome new committer email would be best to bring awareness of these things to future new committers without bothering old committers. -- Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.splike.com : programming http://csx.calvin.edu : student org http://www.brondsema.net : personal signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
logos
Does the ASF have a collection of logos? In particular, we're getting http://forrest.apache.org/ set up and would like to replace the Apache XML logo with a Foundation logo about the same size. All I've found is http://www.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/ which are too wide (and none for the Foundation). -- Dave Brondsema http://www.brondsema.net/ http://www.splike.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: logos
David Crossley wrote: Dave Brondsema wrote: Does the ASF have a collection of logos? In particular, we're getting http://forrest.apache.org/ set up and would like to replace the Apache XML logo with a Foundation logo about the same size. All I've found is http://www.apache.org/~nicolaken/whiteboard/apachelogos/ which are too wide (and none for the Foundation). Yes Nicola Ken put lots of good stuff into the committers CVS module. cvs://committers/apachelogos/ --David Isn't that just the same as what he has on the URL I posted above? Or do you suggest creating a logo based on what he has provided? -- Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.splike.com : programming http://csx.calvin.edu : student org http://www.brondsema.net : personal signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Author tags (Re: ASF Board Summary for February 18, 2004)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 03 March 2004 07:38 pm, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Dear folks @ community, Hello. One question came to my mind about the licensing issue. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:19:01 -0800 Greg Stein wrote: - author tags are officially discouraged. these create difficulties in establishing the proper ownership and the protection of our committers. there are other social issues dealing with collaborative development, but the Board is concerned about the legal ramifications around the use of author tags I think it that perhaps we should pay much attentin to the licensing issue upon websites in ***.apache.org, too (not sure .. correct me if i am wrong) I could see some XML files (e.g. files in site module) having author tags (/document/properties/author) which contained real person's names and e-mail addresses. Should we also change these old customs ? I mean, usage of real person's names in author tags should be discouraged ? # e.g. (Preferable?) # site module: # author email=apache.AT.apache.DOT.orgThe Apache Software Foundation/author # jakarta-site2 module: # author email=general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.orgApache Jakarta Project/author I do appreciate any inputs/comments/suggestions. T.I.A. Sincerely, Forrest plans on removing the author/ elements from our site's documents. Also, we have previously kept the email address unused so that individuals would not get contacted. - -- Dave Brondsema [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFARnxyVvBSb5uzznARAmirAJ9Q+BU0dtyXkafXhy+tU/WL9/uMMACeLF+l QhEi/Udm9DHErzH9kHN/ekw= =Yro7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subversion 1.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 February 2004 09:50 am, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Jeff Trawick wrote: Sander Striker wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Is SVN being proposed for Incubation? I hadn't heard. SVN is built on top of APR, and also implements an Apache module (mod_dav_svn), so it already uses a lot of ASF code. That said, it would totally rock if SVN would come to the ASF. well put!! I wonder how the SVN community would feel about this. Greg, do you have any idea? what would be your opinion about this? SVN is already part of the tigris community. It's purpose (http://www.tigris.org/nonav/DomainFAQ.html#purpose) is not too much different from ASF's and the SVN project is already under an apache-style license. I see no incentive in asking this project to tear themselves away from an existing community to join ours. Of course if they asked to join we would welcome them. - -- Dave Brondsema [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAP6lEVvBSb5uzznARAvjzAKCyCBvRbPT0Knb6+bCSDUGroNfH4gCeOqut YdOjm6eIkda7i9AhrGxXpC4= =vbBm -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: I see Planet Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... Gump's not a person. Like you said, the planet is for authors (people) associated with apache. -- Dave Brondsema [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brondsema.net - personal http://www.splike.com - programming http://csx.calvin.edu - Calvin club - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Single Location for syndicated Apache blogs
Quoting Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tetsuya, Ceremony. I suspect it that even such a nice community has to be baptized once. (one day or less) Legitimatization, in order to keep *consistency* in a big and social community. To make it orthodox. No, Incubation has nothing to do with pomp and circumstance. --- Noel So if it's not a formality that all new ASF projects should undergo, who decides if a project should be incubated or if it can go directly to being a regular project? -- Dave Brondsema http://www.brondsema.net - personal http://www.splike.com - programming - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
