Resignation of the Apache Software Foundation from the JCP
All, I just sent the following email to the PMO and the EC's of the JCP. Please look for a post on the foundation blog with details and explanation. geir On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Dear Patrick, > > On behalf of the Apache Software Foundation, I hereby resign our seat on the > SE/EE Executive Committee, effective immediately. > > We'll have a post up on the Apache website with a detailed explanation for > the community - please contact me if you have any questions. > > On a personal note, I have enjoyed working with all of you for the last 7 > years, and look back fondly on the work we did together. > > I wish you the very best in sorting out this mess - Java is too important to > all of us to let the current situation continue. > > geir > > Geir Magnusson Jr > VP, JCP > The Apache Software Foundation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Consulting rates
Oh, I see - I was just doing the direct conversion. NM. geir On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Sure. And Aaron said to double it. So after you divide by 2, you double it. :) > > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >> That's wrong. >> >> You need to divide by 2. $75k -> 35/hour >> >> geir >> >> On Nov 8, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >>> Thank you. This is very helpful. I didn't know that there was a clear rule >>> of thumb like this. >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: >>> >>>> And since most people work 40 hours a week (approximately 2000 hours a >>>> year), another more generalized way to state the rule of thumb is take >>>> your preferred annual salary and divide by 1000. >>>> >>>> Ie, $75,000 becomes $75 an hour. In the US, keep in mind that taxes >>>> on income after business expenses will be no less than 15.3% (self >>>> employment tax) and most likely 30% or higher (se tax plus income and >>>> other taxes), so a lot of this money disappears quickly :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:05 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote: >>>>> Rough rule of thumb is to take your salary (or preferred salary), >>>>> convert it to an hourly rate, then double it. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> J. Aaron Farr >>>>> 馮傑仁 >>>>> www.cubiclemuses.com >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rich Bowen >>> rbo...@rcbowen.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >> > > -- > Rich Bowen > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Consulting rates
That's wrong. You need to divide by 2. $75k -> 35/hour geir On Nov 8, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Thank you. This is very helpful. I didn't know that there was a clear rule of > thumb like this. > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: > >> And since most people work 40 hours a week (approximately 2000 hours a >> year), another more generalized way to state the rule of thumb is take >> your preferred annual salary and divide by 1000. >> >> Ie, $75,000 becomes $75 an hour. In the US, keep in mind that taxes >> on income after business expenses will be no less than 15.3% (self >> employment tax) and most likely 30% or higher (se tax plus income and >> other taxes), so a lot of this money disappears quickly :) >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:05 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote: >>> Rough rule of thumb is to take your salary (or preferred salary), >>> convert it to an hourly rate, then double it. >>> >>> -- >>> J. Aaron Farr >>> 馮傑仁 >>> www.cubiclemuses.com >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org >> > > -- > Rich Bowen > rbo...@rcbowen.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
gym rats / weight lifters
Anyone? :) geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [apachecon] NoSQL meetup in Oakland
I volunteer to chair if you need it. geir On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: http://www.nosqloakland.org/ If you're interested in attending and perhaps presenting something at the meetup, please sign up! Given the large number of registrations so far I've decided to split the meetup into two parallel tracks. Would someone be interested in chairing the other track? I can't be in two places at the same time. :-) You'd need to start the other track with a few words of introduction and welcome, introduce and help the speakers, and make sure that they stick to the schedule. PS. I've had people ask for the ability to tune in remotely to the meetup. I can try setting up a Skype video call for that, but I'd love to hear if someone has better ideas on how to achieve this. I'm quite envious of all the good things I hear about the video recordings at NoSQL Berlin... :-) BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [apachecon] NoSQL meetup in Oakland
I'll be there - I can talk about Voldemort (using it in prod at Gilt, and giving a talk on it at NoSQL East the prior week...) geir On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Brian McCallister wrote: Do we have any more time/date thoughts on this? I know Mr. Dynomite and would love to invite him over. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Eric Evans wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 11:48 +0200, Jukka Zitting wrote I was thinking of potential cross-project meetup plans for the Content Technology track at the ApacheCon US 2009, and one idea I came up with is to organize a generic NoSQL gathering of non-relational database projects. We already have CouchDB, Jackrabbit, Hadoop and Lucene (and Cassandra?) people around, and it would be cool to invite also people and projects outside the ASF. WDYT? This sounds great. I'm not sure if anyone else from the Cassandra camp is planning to attend, but I'll be there. -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [apachecon] NoSQL meetup in Oakland
that's a great idea On Jul 13, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, I was thinking of potential cross-project meetup plans for the Content Technology track at the ApacheCon US 2009, and one idea I came up with is to organize a generic NoSQL gathering of non-relational database projects. We already have CouchDB, Jackrabbit, Hadoop and Lucene (and Cassandra?) people around, and it would be cool to invite also people and projects outside the ASF. WDYT? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: JavaOne Meetup ?
Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Martin- when is that Geronimo Live thing? I'll arrive on Sun. 14 at 06:40 PM Leaving on 23th (09:xx PM) Any news regarding an Apache Booth ? No. They didn't like the idea of one for free, and my tongue-in-cheek suggestion that we could now get the Azul booth since Sun and Azul were in all-out legal warfare didn't go over well either... This is something we should push to change next year - Sun making J1 floor accessible to non-profits... geir -Matthias On 5/12/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I will try to attend the Geronimo Live party, to possibly, get drunk. If you want to see me drunk, you should go :) (it's a one in a lifetime event :) Mvgr, Martin Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: > On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 01:09:12PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >>Yes, >>there are two >>-Performance (state saving server / client ) >>-ADF Faces / MyFAces >> >>and one from Kito regarding "evolution of web" or something like that > > > Looks like I'll be attending JavaOne, rather unexpectedly. It would be > neat to meet up with ASF folk. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JaveOne : CHANGE OF MEETING POINT FOR BADGES
Please note - the exhibit hall is in Moscone South, not north. Please meet in front of Moscone South rather than top of escalators in North. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaOne Booth : please check booth times
And please verify via a "*" that your project will be in the timeslot currently assigned. Feel free to swap with non-* projects if you want. http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ApacheAtJavaOne2005 -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaOne Booth : info (w/ URL!)
[Sorry about the repeat - the URL is critical...] http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ApacheAtJavaOne2005 We have most things sorted out for the JavaOne booth. I took the liberty of filling in the matrix of projects - I just went down the list putting one in a slot. No prefs was given, and randomly doubled up. We can choose to re-order. Please put a * next to the name of the project if you confirm that timeslot after you choose when you want to be there. IMPORTANT - we'll be working out the protocol for badge handoff and it will be on the wiki. Please pay attention to it. I've crossposted to get max awareness - any project that would like to participate is welcome. Please reply to community only. I've set the reply-to, but double check, please. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaOne Booth Followup
We have most things sorted out for the JavaOne booth. I took the liberty of filling in the matrix of projects - I just went down the list putting one in a slot. No prefs was given, and randomly doubled up. We can choose to re-order. Please put a * next to the name of the project if you confirm that timeslot after you choose when you want to be there. IMPORTANT - we'll be working out the protocol for badge handoff and it will be on the wiki. Please pay attention to it. I've crossposted to get max awareness - any project that would like to participate is welcome. Please reply to community only. I've set the reply-to, but double check, please. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache booth at JavaOne
All, Apache will have a booth this year at JavaOne (donated by Gluecode, now part of IBM...) We are looking to have as many projects represented, on a schedule, in a sort of "meet the geek" thing. We don't know how many projects are signing up, so take a look at the wiki (below) and if your project isn't there, and you are willing to volunteer, please add your project and sign up. The more the merrier. http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ApacheAtJavaOne2005 thanks geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??
On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Scott Sanders wrote: On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Stephen. Why do you say things like this? Do you fail to understand this is the primary reason for the establishment of the ASF. s/Do// -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Authority without accountability? I'm could imagine why you and other members of the board feel comfortable with this. Make a chair accountable to the committee and the next thing you know will be board accountability to chairs. Oh god - would that send a rocket up the darker passages of the ASF! I realize that this is little more than a filibuster, and I probably should be smacked for feeding *this* troll, but I'm a board member, I voted for pushing Avalon over the side, and wonder why you believe that we could invert the oversight structure? Would the membership then be accountable to the board? We are structured to provide demonstrable oversight of the organization on behalf of the membership. We are accountable to the membership. We are elected by the membership, and can be thrown out, singly or en masse, by the membership. To that end, the board is charged with establishing PMCs, which are managed by an officer of the corporation, the PMC Chair. This person has the right to make decisions on behalf of the corporation (being an officer) that he or she considers to be in the best interest of the corporation. Where's the problem? geir (For the record, I support the actions of the board in this matter, and specifically, Greg's explanation of how things work...) -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
On Dec 21, 2004, at 3:23 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 05:02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: If there's a reasonable reason, cool. Otherwise, maybe we can move on. There'll be no 'winner' here. But we could proclaim Stephen and Niclas "winner". Maybe this thread would end then and then we all would "win"... Henning - thanks - this is much better than ruining another Roxy Music song for me... :D geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
On Dec 17, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Comments in [] by me, with apologies to Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music. You just ruined this for me - I really liked that song, and I really hate this whole Avalon thing. Now, can we please lay this thread to rest? What good is it for? Just to prove "I was right"? +1 Regards Henning (This was meant to be a funny/ironic comment. Come on, these lyrics are more than twenty years old... ) -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development "Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems." --Michelle Levesque, "Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update to mailing lists page
this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis? On Dec 2, 2004, at 7:52 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit. (http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below* the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph for each list. The graph shows subscription and post activity for up to the last 90 samples. Since the sample interval is 1 day, that generally means three months. If samples aren't collected for a week, though, it means the graph will cover 97 days, with the uncollected week's data silently missing from the graph. The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!' I've attached a sample graph from the derby-dev list. - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQa8PkJrNPMCpn3XdAQHOKAP/dxNVOLGkSec/NuccHXGAX4fr1kM4ers9 chBqMYgecqN8jvSPTnOD70PiLEcqZ+rwS6dooM6ZasmZ7AnCe09aPsbTObCREslM hwcmrZHOkTZiY0B4OXQTA5PrB6/tOonxSnxLLUAY0A4quGDgNyJ+anL9I0MmmYby ZcrBTkR8c3E= =na1P -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OBJECTWEBCON05 : Call for Proposals
This is the call for proposals by the ObjectWeb consortium for their annual conference. The deadline for proposals has been extended, so I encourage anyone that could possibly make the conference to submit. Brian Behlendorf will be the keynote speaker :) ObjectWeb as a community makes a great effort to collaborate with us and other open source groups to make good software widely available. I'd like to see us give them as much support as we can. -- ObjectWeb Annual Conference, 4TH EDITION Lyon, France January 17-19, 2005 http://www.objectweb.org/ObjectWebCon05 * SUBMISSION DEADLINE: September 15th, 2004 * ObjectWebCon05, the next ObjectWeb annual conference will take place in Lyon, France on January 17-19, 2005. As the ObjectWeb consortium becomes an important player in open source infrastructure software for the industry, its annual conference grows and strengthens as unique opportunity for professionals to discover, learn and exchange on middleware and open source software. As an experienced professional of the domain, you are invited to submit proposals for sessions of the conference. Submissions should be made online before September 15th 2004 at http://wiki.objectweb.org/ObjectWebCon05/CallForProposals.jsp More information on the CFP may be found below. We are looking forward to reading your proposals, Best regards, The ObjectWebCon05 Program Committee Please freely distribute this call to interested colleagues and friends. If you have questions regarding the Call for Proposals, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The ObjectWebCon05 program committee is seeking to receiving proposal for technical sessions (30 minutes). Topics of interest include but are not restricted to: * user experience, best practices, case studies related to ObjectWeb projects or other open-source infrastructure software * commercial offers, services and business models related to open-source middleware * open-source middleware projects, open-source communities / .orgs * technical presentation of middleware research topics / R&D projects * ObjectWeb project hot topics (restricted to ObjectWeb contributors) Guideline to submit: --- * The title of the presentation. * A brief outline or abstract of the presentation (not to exceed 400 words). * For each speaker, the speaker name, title, company, professional street and email addresses, phone and fax numbers. Addresses, phone and fax numbers are for organization purposes only and will not be distributed to third parties without prior agreement. * A short biography of the proposed speaker(s) showing relevant experience and qualification to speak on the proposed subject matter (not to exceed 300 words). Submissions should be written in English, tutorials and presentations are to be given in English. Important dates: --- * Abstract due: September 15th 2004 * Notification: starting October 15th 2004 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache swag
On Jul 14, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- the appropriate permissions having been obtained, my apache swag store is now open: http://www.cafeshops.com/meepzor/230676 a percentage of the profits are donated to the apache software foundation. this note is not a solicitation to buy stuff, but for sugegstions for additional items. i'm not a graphic designer, so the best i can do is rather primitive. Plug : I'm a satisfied customer :) Buy this stuff! and before you ask, black is not a t-shirt colour cafepress offers yet. :-) Nor should it be - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQPVLcprNPMCpn3XdAQHm1wP/egbnOEIt4+4FzBR8ytTJCtyh+TqMDEGx c1OVxoTSaGP6hAhDmvK/xCOAA6rpDN8ge/eVdhmOekG4bld5LG21x07O22GZxuTO E+kWQw9R2J2wCKAAFS6/UkDbWwgdfcnQaW00wX9o5dNX9IwofgaE2YoA+ACQihmj SRF6fX7h4dM= =FhyZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OASIS
On Jun 27, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: I'll give this conversation a week or so to build up; and if not - will send a polite msg to Oasis saying; thanks for the offer but not at this time. I think you should also provide some list of 'benefits' for ASF to Ok - personal benefits (without my ASF hat): -> be able to give excelent feedback to the open standards processes, making them better, making the asf better and strengthening open standards and opensource in general. And this is important. From my experience with the JCP, it's clear that "generally clueless" is the way to describe most people when it comes to open source. -> prevent the creation of standards which while open cannot be realistically implemented or maintained in the open source world. +1 -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Düsseldorf
In dusseldorf. (Sent this to party@ but it never went through...) Anyone live here and want to meet for a beer? geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion
On Mar 25, 2004, at 6:18 AM, David N. Welton wrote: Well, according to this, the 'discussion' is over: http://news.osdir.com/article491.html For this year, I think. I think the best thing that ASF community members can do for now, until the next news flareup, is in blogs, conversations etc, is point out how much the ASF does wrt 'open source java' - how this isn't a new idea and we're working hard to make it happen. I'm not a user or participant in the Java community, so my perceptions and impressions are those of an outsider. What does the ASF do to promote "open source java", where "open source java" is defined as the basic infrastructure necessary to run java code on computers (jvm and libraries)? Right now we are doing nothing specifically to that end. That's starting at the bottom of the stack, and we work from the other direction. Costin had some good suggestions for working deeper - like ensuring code here works on the OSS implementations (which is really just a form of compatibility testing...) The only thing we could do for OSS is to actually do an implementation of a JVM for some platform and get it certified, which is possible. I vote we choose the .NET CLR as the first platform ;) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion
On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Serge Knystautas wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. In lieu of forming a statement for the ASF as a whole, what about organizing/encouraging/guiding people who want to participate? Maybe specific resources that should be targetted, such as where the most active and/or productive discussions are taking place. What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? That would be a statement, much better than "we like open source java, but our software doesn't run on it because it doesn't really matter". Nobody has been stopping you from proposing an incubation project about this. Why would it be an incubation? -- Stefano. -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion
On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Costin Manolache wrote: Serge Knystautas wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. In lieu of forming a statement for the ASF as a whole, what about organizing/encouraging/guiding people who want to participate? Maybe specific resources that should be targetted, such as where the most active and/or productive discussions are taking place. What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? That would be a statement, much better than "we like open source java, but our software doesn't run on it because it doesn't really matter". Perfect - this is the way that the ASF has always supported open-source java - by actually doing it... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion
I wasn't subscribed to community@ until now, so if there's something there that wasn't xposted to general@, let me know... More inline : On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:21 AM, Leo Simons wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: the intention is to get involved really wanted to keep quiet about it, but your post brought this front and center. little did I know! See what happens when stuff happens on private mailing lists? Duplication of effort :-P LOL it wasn't on a private list. There was some informal discussion, and I kept meaning to bring it up to the community in general... I'll happily shut up, since you're obviously on top of things. And thanks for letting us know you're on top of things :D I won't claim to be on top of anything yet, but certainly will keep trying... geir -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles & Opinions -- http://articles.leosimons.com/ --- "We started off trying to set up a small anarchist community, but people wouldn't obey the rules." -- Alan Bennett - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion
On Mar 18, 2004, at 8:16 AM, Leo Simons wrote: Something big is stirring in the java world. There's talks between Sun and IBM about releasing an open source version of java. There's talks between the linux desktop movers about adopting java as the glue that binds the major desktop projects together. Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. Apache is one of the biggest open source communities, and the leader of the pack when it comes to open source java. I think the Apache community should work together on an open letter to Sun, IBM, and the rest of the open source community stating our shared position on the subject. Like Havoc Pennington writes (http://ometer.com/desktop-language.html), the "Community Should Decide" and "It's time to start the discussion". WDYT? The ASF has always been a proponent for 'open source java', and while I'm glad to see the rest of the world catching up, I believe the path we are on is fundamentally a good one, and we shouldn't deviate too far from it. Here's something I wrote a little while ago for the members list, describing what we do and will do : 1) Keep working to make TCKs available to ASF projects that implement JSRs, and when needed, infrastructure to run the TCKs. We cover the spectrum - from smaller WS stuff (including something for J2ME, IIRC), to the big mosnster, J2EE. The main activity is getting TCKs in the hands of non-members to use in ASF projects, something thats just requiring some legal paperwork. Given that we'll have a larger and larger group using TCKs, willing to fix them if given the chance, I see oppo for OSS-ing TCKs. Maybe I'm a dreamer. (Note that new the proposed JSR 241 for Groovy is going to be an OSS TCK and OSS RI). 2) Bring RIs here to the ASF. We have a good tradition of this already, Tomcat and JSP for example, and we need to continue it, either by taking on ownership of existing RIs, such as we are working on for JavaMail, or hosting RIs for EGs on which the ASF has a rep (or not). This will tend to force the "open spec" issue, as you can't get the "free" help of an OSS community if they can't read the spec and know the motivations behind APIs. 3) Do what we can to connect the various JSR-implementors in the OSS community. For example, we'd like to connect all J2EE implementors, both OSS and non-OSS (so JBoss would be invited), to talk confidentially with each other about issues they face to pass the TCK. This would expose the OSS communities w/ the commercial community in a deep, technical way, which I think will help the commercial crowd form an accurate picture of OSS. We are the only open source entity on the Executive Committee of the Java Community Process. The efforts of the ASF (w/ Jason as rep) resulted in pro-OSS changes in a de-facto international standards group. These changes included free JCP participation for individuals, academics and non-profits, the ability to actually create a TCK and RI under an OSS license, and the creation of the scholarship program for individuals, academics and non-profits to get TCKs and RIs free of charge w/ free support to certify open source projects. One very visible result of this is that the ASF and ObjectWeb are both J2EE licensees, and working to create certified open-source J2EE stacks. Since this recent brouhaha started, the intention is to get involved (me wearing the VP JCP and VP Jakarta hats makes me itch to do something :) At first I wanted to make a public statement too, but after thinking about it for a while, and since we had a nice quote from Brian in the first news cycle, I put that aside for a little while. This is a somewhat tricky issue due to the compatibility concerns and politics involved, and it's clear that we can be most effective if a) we are sure to continue to be a neutral party in what is currently visible as a Sun vs IBM public pissing match - IOW, we don't pile on Sun (nor ignore IBM) b) we completely understand the issues facing all sides (well, both sides, Sun and IBM, as I don't really care what ESR's issues are...) To that end, I've been working privately (w/ JCP hat on) with a few people, and wish to continue that way for a little while. I don't want this to appear as anything more than me just talking to people - not an official ASF action by any means - and I really wanted to keep quiet about it, but your post brought this front and center. I think the best thing that ASF community members can do for now, until the next news flareup, is in blogs, conversations etc, is point out how much the ASF does wrt 'open source java' - how this isn't a new idea and we're working hard to make it happen. And we're doing it not in the pres
Re: webbit 2004
Kill the webbit, kill the webbit! On Jan 16, 2004, at 5:50 AM, David N. Welton wrote: Hi, This is mainly for the Apache folks who reside in Italy. I would like to know if anyone else is going to be at the webbit this year. It's a fun couple of days, and I can guarantee that if we had an Apache presence there, it would be quite popular. We need to start organizing it now though, if we want to participate. http://www.webbitcon.org/ Ciao, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 05:38 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Yes, Apache is on the "scholarship" board. If you want to discuss this further, you might consider joining the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. The problem is that I might inadvertantly receive information covered by apache's non-disclosure agreements with Sun. This could limit my economic viability in the future should I wish to implement a technology which competes with Sun. Would it be possible to have a list set up for those who are either not members or whom do not wish to be bound by such agreements to discuss the Apache side of the JCP? I've suggested this time and again, making a jcp-discussion list where no NDA-covered information would be submitted, but there never is any interest. If you are interested now - Sam, could you do the honors? geir -Andy - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
