Re: MySQL/Roller
Plus, I recently found that anybody wanted to say This list is not appropriate, go *...@xx.apache.org instead answers. If it's any consolation, I think most of it doesn't belong on any mailing list. Seems that I have been long absent from the ASF itself activities, and during the days, so many has changed. In order to remember back and know the changed one, I applied to PRC membership, however, someone (guess who) put the obstacle it seems. Anyways, I could not use http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/mt_to_roller_migration Henri I am very sorry, Thanks Tetsuya - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Respects (Re: ApacheCon at ASIA)
Tetsuya, you have show the utmost lack of respect on this forum to the chairman of the organization, who in the most friendly and forgiving way attempted to nudge you away from inappropriate directions. Noone else in this organization is so flexible. So your complaint falls on deaf ears. The Apache Software Fundation's rule - there is no relationships between superior and inferior. I mean, hierarchy. (bureaucratism is one of them) Maybe I had been wrongly taken introduction by POI founder and Cocoon/Forrest founder to the weird road from 2003. (oh, 6 years --- long way) I have thought that merit will never disappear and it remain forever. Over the threshold, you will have an invitation for membership of the Apache Software Foundation as individual. Thank you very much to Bill and #chair#, that IT was a wrong way you told me clearly. About the respect upon #chair#, I wrote clearly in PRC list and private lists. I will not say again. Miscommunication. Thank you very much. Mucho Gracias. Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
MySQL/Roller
Now I would like to know how to retrieve the data from .rdf, .atom etc of movable type to put again to mysql server Anybody knows? (Then, I would like to switch to the Apache Roller) tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
MySQL/Roller
Now I would like to know how to retrieve the data from .rdf, .atom etc of movable type to put again to mysql server Anybody knows? (Then, I would like to switch to the Apache Roller) tetsuya @ apache P.S. Is these kind not allowed here? just the matter of moderator? Will I moderate? (JST+0900) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MySQL/Roller
This is not an appropriate answer neither suggestion. Apache Roller is just one of the options. Maybe I will use forever movable type (It depends just on my server issue). If so, Apache Roller user list is meaningless to me. The community list certainly is not the right place for this one. I suggest to ask on the Roller users list. Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MySQL/Roller
Chances are this is out of date with modern MT and Roller, but here's how I did it many years back: http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/mt_to_roller_migration Thanks, I will try it out. My generation is old ... so (lol Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
What would you say to this? Bill (William A. Rowe, Jr.) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: ABOUT APACHECON ASIA If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- BACK to the FUTURE! CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are managing the big events at Bali island. About the fact of STRONG YEN (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies can be the sponsors if held there. Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion. Thanks Bill If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email p...@apache.org. If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: MySQL/Roller
Plus, I recently found that anybody wanted to say This list is not appropriate, go *...@xx.apache.org instead answers. I had known that general @ jakarta.jp should not be the TOMCAT / TOMCAT / TOMCAT question flow mailing list. (Plus STRUTS /STRUTS /STRUTS - w) However, here's a lot of voice come as such. Why? PRC problem? Moderation would be needless maybe I suppose and freely talking community I want. Please do not be nervous so much. Take care. Tetsuya @ apache This is not an appropriate answer neither suggestion. Apache Roller is just one of the options. Maybe I will use forever movable type (It depends just on my server issue). If so, Apache Roller user list is meaningless to me. The community list certainly is not the right place for this one. I suggest to ask on the Roller users list. Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Hi, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com and community: I see. I am hesitating sending mails so much recently here :) I am now thiking of the ApacheCon Asia Plan in Indonesia, near Jakarta. (Bali) --- Maybe Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai, Taipei . Considering the history of ASF, maybe Bali would be the nice place (DIfferrent island but we can go Jakarta!!). WDYT ALL I just raised this issue because the ApacheCon US is in the near. Do not forget ASIA, please!! ALL ty Tetsuya James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com I don't think the Jakarta general email list is the correct forum for this question. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org wrote: Hi fellows, 2 or 3 years ago, the apache software foundation held the APACHECON ASIA in Sri Lanka, IIRC #IIRC: If I remember correctly -- in other words, if my memory serves me corrently. What would you think about holding the conference in Asia again around Hong Kong? (Of course, for me -- Tokyo would be the best - though ... :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
The concom is currently planning an Apache road show in Beijing and Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ If in Beijing, Japanese and Korean can participate really easily. (and we can understand Chinese characters). # Plus, I am sure that there could be a lot of Sponsors there. # Our language is very similar to Chinese. Samsung (Korea) # etc. ... maybe? If Colombo, we can not. (Take so much money) - and the Japanese company won't be the sponsors. Hold in China , gather a lot of money and take the Sri Lankans for free (in a sense) to China would be the wiser solution. maybe. Just a short comment. Ty. Jukka Zitting Tetsuya Kitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Seems that it's (mentioned) mailing list is open to the members only. Discuess here would be helpful for the participants (including commiters only) don't you think? If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- BACK to the FUTURE! Tetsuya, If you have contacts in any of these locations, I would encourage you to subscribe to the concom mailing list and join the discussion there. Venues for conferences, including Asia conferences, are being discussed there. Also, there's a few years of accumulated knowledge of what has and has not worked in Asia, including some attempts to hold events in China. --Rich On Oct 21, 2009, at 07:15 , Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: The concom is currently planning an Apache road show in Beijing and Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ If in Beijing, Japanese and Korean can participate really easily. (and we can understand Chinese characters). # Plus, I am sure that there could be a lot of Sponsors there. # Our language is very similar to Chinese. Samsung (Korea) # etc. ... maybe? If Colombo, we can not. (Take so much money) - and the Japanese company won't be the sponsors. Hold in China , gather a lot of money and take the Sri Lankans for free (in a sense) to China would be the wiser solution. maybe. Just a short comment. Ty. Jukka Zitting Tetsuya Kitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
The proper mailing lists are concom@ and planners-2009-a...@apachecon.com. If a committer wants to volunteer on a planning committee, we can add them to the planners list. I see. what I could not join in was @apache.org not @apachecon I see. what was open to only members was apa...@apache.org As already mentioned we're putting together an event in late November and early December in both Beijing and Colombo. At this point, I believe the events are fairly well planned and we'll be getting info out to the public soon. There's only a couple of people volunteering and everyone is very busy, so we're a little slow on getting it organized. I willl participate the list above amd see the current problems (Maybe can not so much problem) Regisitration issue is just due to the announcements. I can do it at local (Japanese large 4 + net news) news papers, etc. in various ways. My suggestion is to attend one or both of the events later this year and see how it goes. We can then look at your ideas for 2010. I can not go to SriLanka. I have a virtual office at Mumbai now, so going to Colombo itself would be no problem, though. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
ABOUT APACHECON ASIA If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- BACK to the FUTURE! CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are managing the big events at Bali island. About the fact of STRONG YEN (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies can be the sponsors if held there. If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email p...@apache.org. If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: charity
I am really sorry, just I forgot now community@ is moderated (in the past, no) and all was passed. it was my fault. Please do not care. Never do. And please care about the main charity issue. Good luck, community guys. Yours. Tetsuya @ apache Hi Tetsuya, Your last message came as three copies to community@ and you've been sending the same message to various other addresses too. A single message to a single list would be enough, more will just annoy people and may eventually get you kicked from the list. The PRC is tasked with the ASF sponsorship and fundraising activities, so you'll want to discuss the charity program you propose with p...@apache.org instead of various other mailing lists. Please do not post links to any payment forms or similar pages before you've reached an appropriate agreement with the PRC. BR, Jukka Zitting - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ == When you think doing the business to Japan, etc. (Multi-Byte), you must == think purchasing well-known soft Commercial License: http://an.to/b21e FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +1 801-938-5635(Midvaile, Utah, USA) Tel: +1 408-549-1471(San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) Tel: +52 55-8421-4589 (Mexico City, Mexico) Tel: +55 11-3711-4245 (San Paulo, Brazil) Tel: +64 09-889-3431(Auckland, New Zealand) Tel: +45 65-74-50-12(Copenhagen, Denmark) Tel: +41 44-586-1233(Zurich, Switzerland) Tel: +61 2-8011-4078(Sydney, Australia) Tel: +27 1-1083-5458(Capetown, South Africa) Tel: +356 3550-0809 (Valletta, Malta / EU) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: charity
Plus alpha. (committers) Via using my network (I am selling software USD1000 - 10: MAX 5000 * 9 USD) The charity network can receive all the donations from other countries. What would you say about this? e,g, http://an.to/b21e This will utterly goes to charity (of course I issue the license and product, too!) the charity goes to charity network (E-mail: i...@charity-platform.com) from me (my company) and the charity network bankwire to the ASF prc. Then, ASF can recognize the donation from all over the WORLD!! Can list them up to the thanks.html --- I will have NO kind of merits from it but I always thought that the users of apache is not in the united states, but Europe, Japan, China, India, etc. Gathering charity from all the globe would utterly normal thing, I believe. I am thinking of doing what I believe it is normal. Take care. Tetsuya Kitahata On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:25:44 +0900 (Subject: Re: charity) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: About below I had comment from bill so, put here: -- From Tetsuya Hi Bill, As mentioned for the umpteenth time, take these suggestions to the PRC, they really aren't appropriate for discussion unless approved. If this particular site is able to pass charitable monies directly to the ASF, any individual or corporation may do so, the only question is how to certify to JP's own particular tax law. Went to prc as well. I talked with the charity network (exist already) it would be tax deductive and there are so many merits for the donators. I suspect the real answer is for the ASF to become a recognized NGO - wouldn't that accomplish tax-deductible, charitable purpose in virtually any country? If I say, it will be possible. Do not warry about it. Of course that means higher standards, and higher costs on the foundation to be in compliance with a UN NGO charter. NO NEED. no requirement for it. To be honest, Why i became the individual sponsor of the asf at first -- 1. Show so many people that individual can be the sponsor in reality 2. Show Japanese Company there is an individual who spent money to ASF However. about (2) Tax Return Issue existed (of course I knew, but ..) and there were not. It was really sad because many uses apache software in Japan. Please understand my motivations etc. I am not wanting to do only for myself. I AM DOING WHAT IS RIGHT!! i think. Thank you very much. -- On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:24:46 +0900 (Subject: charity) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: This is not Englishiesed (grin) but here is Charity Network in Japan. E-mail: i...@charity-platform.com http://www.charity-platform.com/ FAX: +81-3-5770-0531 What would you think to say to enroll to this as CHARITY REQUIRE NPO. In this method, we do not have to establish NPO in Japan (for apache donations : as tax deductive) and the money donation from the companies in japan goes to the ASF. The ASF can list the company to thanks.html. --- PERFECT! --- :) Tetsuya @ apache - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ == When you think doing the business to Japan, etc. (Multi-Byte), you must == think purchasing well-known soft Commercial License: http://an.to/b21e FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +81 3-3454-8090(Tokyo, Japan) Tel: +1 801-938-5635(Midvaile, Utah, USA) Tel: +1 408-549-1471(San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) Tel: +52 55-8421-4589 (Mexico City, Mexico) Tel: +55 11-3711-4245 (San Paulo, Brazil) Tel: +64 09-889-3431(Auckland, New Zealand) Tel: +45 65-74-50-12(Copenhagen, Denmark) Tel: +41 44-586-1233(Zurich, Switzerland) Tel: +61 2-8011-4078(Sydney, Australia) Tel: +27 1-1083-5458(Capetown, South Africa) Tel: +356 3550-0809 (Valletta, Malta / EU) - http://projects.apache.org/ are translated into japanese at http://projects.terra-intl.com/ Please make like via left-side nav for the people in japan (10% users) thanks. (Maybe http://projects.terra-intl.com/ has more projects than http://projects.apache.org/ :-) Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: charity
Plus alpha. (committers) Via using my network (I am selling software USD1000 - 10: MAX 5000 * 9 USD) The charity network can receive all the donations from other countries. What would you say about this? e,g, http://an.to/b21e This will utterly goes to charity (of course I issue the license and product, too!) the charity goes to charity network (E-mail: i...@charity-platform.com) from me (my company) and the charity network bankwire to the ASF prc. Then, ASF can recognize the donation from all over the WORLD!! Can list them up to the thanks.html --- I will have NO kind of merits from it but I always thought that the users of apache is not in the united states, but Europe, Japan, China, India, etc. Gathering charity from all the globe would utterly normal thing, I believe. I am thinking of doing what I believe it is normal. Take care. Tetsuya Kitahata On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:25:44 +0900 (Subject: Re: charity) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: About below I had comment from bill so, put here: -- From Tetsuya Hi Bill, As mentioned for the umpteenth time, take these suggestions to the PRC, they really aren't appropriate for discussion unless approved. If this particular site is able to pass charitable monies directly to the ASF, any individual or corporation may do so, the only question is how to certify to JP's own particular tax law. Went to prc as well. I talked with the charity network (exist already) it would be tax deductive and there are so many merits for the donators. I suspect the real answer is for the ASF to become a recognized NGO - wouldn't that accomplish tax-deductible, charitable purpose in virtually any country? If I say, it will be possible. Do not warry about it. Of course that means higher standards, and higher costs on the foundation to be in compliance with a UN NGO charter. NO NEED. no requirement for it. To be honest, Why i became the individual sponsor of the asf at first -- 1. Show so many people that individual can be the sponsor in reality 2. Show Japanese Company there is an individual who spent money to ASF However. about (2) Tax Return Issue existed (of course I knew, but ..) and there were not. It was really sad because many uses apache software in Japan. Please understand my motivations etc. I am not wanting to do only for myself. I AM DOING WHAT IS RIGHT!! i think. Thank you very much. -- On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:24:46 +0900 (Subject: charity) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: This is not Englishiesed (grin) but here is Charity Network in Japan. E-mail: i...@charity-platform.com http://www.charity-platform.com/ FAX: +81-3-5770-0531 What would you think to say to enroll to this as CHARITY REQUIRE NPO. In this method, we do not have to establish NPO in Japan (for apache donations : as tax deductive) and the money donation from the companies in japan goes to the ASF. The ASF can list the company to thanks.html. --- PERFECT! --- :) Tetsuya @ apache - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ == When you think doing the business to Japan, etc. (Multi-Byte), you must == think purchasing well-known soft Commercial License: http://an.to/b21e FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +81 3-3454-8090(Tokyo, Japan) Tel: +1 801-938-5635(Midvaile, Utah, USA) Tel: +1 408-549-1471(San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) Tel: +52 55-8421-4589 (Mexico City, Mexico) Tel: +55 11-3711-4245 (San Paulo, Brazil) Tel: +64 09-889-3431(Auckland, New Zealand) Tel: +45 65-74-50-12(Copenhagen, Denmark) Tel: +41 44-586-1233(Zurich, Switzerland) Tel: +61 2-8011-4078(Sydney, Australia) Tel: +27 1-1083-5458(Capetown, South Africa) Tel: +356 3550-0809 (Valletta, Malta / EU) - http://projects.apache.org/ are translated into japanese at http://projects.terra-intl.com/ Please make like via left-side nav for the people in japan (10% users) thanks. (Maybe http://projects.terra-intl.com/ has more projects than http://projects.apache.org/ :-) Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
charity
This is not Englishiesed (grin) but here is Charity Network in Japan. E-mail: i...@charity-platform.com http://www.charity-platform.com/ What would you think to say to enroll to this as CHARITY NEED NPO. In this method, we do not have to establish NPO in Japan (for apache donations : as tax deductive) and the money goes to ASF. Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: thanks
Sorry Google and Yahoo? 2008, 2009 renewal done it seems. I am carefully looking the board meeting text. but somehow omitted Plus, The problem is/was ... I have 9000 1st at linked in now. At first, I sent an invitation to all the apache folks (Some rejected I don't know -- I can not believe it. READ THE THANKS PAGE!!). and Gradually my 1st grew up. When I do the business in Linkedin, I message to specific area (recently, ASEAN). And not-intentionally, there are apache folks there. (Can you judge whether XX is apache committers or not when sending to 1500 ppl in ASEAN?) And 1 or 2 said that You invited me (as apache) bacause you want to invite me to MLM business?? or some -- came as a message. I carefully selecting (around 2004 committers' name I remember), however, I can not do that at all. Those frustrations went to apa...@apache.org or p...@apache.org and misunderstandings happened I might guess. I think it would be loss for both. Thank you for reading And sorry, Jim --- Not sure Anyway, from \infrastructure\site\trunk\xdocs\foundation\thanks.xml section titlePlatinum Sponsor(s)/title pThe Apache Software Foundation would like to thank the following Platinum Sponsor(s):/p img src=images/google.jpg alt=Google logo title=Google logo border=0/ pa href=http://www.google.com/;Google/a./p!-- 6/1/2007 -- img src=images/yahoo.jpg alt=Yahoo logo title=Yahoo logo border=0/ pa href=http://www.yahoo.com/;Yahoo!/a./p!-- 10/4/2007 -- img src=images/microsoft.jpg alt=Microsoft logo title=Microsoft logo border=0/ pa href=http://www.microsoft.com/;Microsoft/a./p!-- 25/7/2008 -- /section section titleGold Sponsor(s)/title pThe Apache Software Foundation would like to thank the following Gold Sponsor(s):/p img src=images/hp.jpg alt=HP logo title=HP logo border=0/ pa href=http://opensource.hp.com/;HP/a./p!-- 6/1/2007 -- /section section titleSilver Sponsor(s)/title pThe Apache Software Foundation would like to thank the following Silver Sponsor(s):/p img src=images/covalent.jpg alt=Covalent logo title=Covalent logo border=0/ pa href=http://www.covalent.com/;Covalent/a./p!-- 6/1/2007 -- img src=images/IONA-Logo.gif alt=IONA logo title=IONA logo border=0/ pa href=http://open.iona.com/;IONA/a./p!-- 4/1/2008 -- /section section titleBronze Sponsor(s)/title pThe Apache Software Foundation would like to thank the following Bronze Sponsor(s):/p pa href=http://www.airplus.com/; rel=nofollowAirPlus International/a./p!-- 12/1/2007 -- pa href=http://ma.tt/; rel=nofollowMatt Mullenweg/a./p!-- 1/29/2008 -- pa href=http://people.apache.org/~tetsuya/;Tetsuya Kitahata/a./p!-- 6/1/2007 -- pa href=http://www.twosigma.com/;Two Sigma Investments/a./p!-- 9/1/2007 -- /section section titleInfrastructure support/title pThe Apache Software Foundation would like to thank the following organizations for providing infrastructure support:/p img src=images/osl.jpg alt=OSUOSL logo title=OSUOSL logo border=0/ pServer hosting and bandwidth provided by a href=http://www.osuosl.org/;Oregon State University Open Source Lab/a (USA) and a href=http://www.surfnet.nl/;SURFnet/a (EU)./p pDonation of servers: Sun and IBM./p /section --- from \infrastructure\site\trunk\xdocs\foundation\thanks.xml (See the !-- part) Why my bronze disappered by the commit by Jim (I memorized) and others exist. Further explainations please? You guys are DISCRIMINATORS utterly. hun bb Tetsuya P.S. Normally, A donated to B -- 'B' does not be cared. The action itself would be majored in a sense. At least in japan. B(Apache) is now exaggerating the brand or something -- wrong and bad phenomena Hi Tetsuya, With all due respect, but I think you are confusing donations with investments. Donating does not give you any power to the donnor, it is just thanking and helping some work to be done. For instance, if you donnated to an NGO helping the poor people in Africa (or in Sri Lanka), you would delegate your money to the NGO and not expect to tell to the NGO what to do. You just rely on them. On the other side, if you bought shares for a company (which is not the case of the ASF), you would be able to have your say, at least for the percentage of actions that you own. About the gaming sites, in the Western world such sites normally have a bad connotation and you normally don't want to mix something with a good name (e.g. Apache) with that kind of gambling activities. I think that in the Eastern world the perception of online gaming (or gaming in general) is different and more open in a sense - not associated to corruption. That is why people reacts so angrily with such proposals. As for saying that the foundation is poisoned. Well, that is a big word
Re: Temporary suspension of ASF Committer-related privileges
I guess it is only american joke. ;) Tetsuya, We have taken a protective step and, for the time being, have disabled all privileges associated with being an ASF committer. This includes usage of the apache.org Email address, access to the people.apache.org site and SVN commit privs. All that we ask is that you comply with our wishes and stop using the Apache name and brand, and your association with it, in the manner in which we have described to you. If you need explicit examples and what is allowed and what is not, then please ask and we will provide that to you. We apologize for having had to take this action. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ Get Your LS with ONLY 50 EUR - http://jakarta.jp/pdf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
The only one thing I found out utterly is that the apache software foundation is poisoned by Jim Jagielski and there could be no curable way. 1. All the Sponsors who no pay should be deleted immediately from thanks.html even though GOOGLE, YAHOO, MICROSOFT. 2. Jim Jagielski lied to me / us because We will make thanks.html page soon in the PDF which I first saw -- and for 6 months nothing happened. - 3 years ago iirc. Anyways, board - (1) should be done first. Plus, those who can gather companies outside from the United States, go http://jakarta.jp/en and buy. I will take care of it and donate to apache for those companies' names - for sure (If they tell me so). 501(c) is for American Companies. Not Russian nor Chinese companies. Tax Deductive - meaningless. Although there is this fact, I donated as the first individual sponsor from JAPAN. http://an.to/asf DO YOU UNDERSTAND, MEN? Thanks Tetsuya. P.S. Normally, A donated to B -- 'B' does not be cared. The action itself would be majored in a sense. At least in japan. B(Apache) is now exaggerating the brand or something -- wrong and bad phenomena Just one message. Do you think that MONEY MONEY person would do the PERSONAL SPONSORSHIP for poor Sri Lanka (Shinhala) apache committer? Whether Lahiru was a lier or not, I do not care. But the [TRUTH] was [TRUTH]. Please do not view all the things in prejudice. bb Tetsuya Tetsuya, I have sent you a separate EMail. Please let me know if you have not rec'd it or if you don't understand it. Thx. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ 1555 Doolittle.Dr Suite170 #8282 San Leandro, CA, 94577 FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan)/+44-2033182683(UK) Skype: ai.kojima Tel: +1 801-938-5635(Midvaile, Utah, USA) Tel: +1 408-549-1471(San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) Tel: +52 55-8421-4589 (Mexico City, Mexico) Tel: +55 11-3711-4245 (San Paulo, Brazil) Tel: +64 09-889-3431(Auckland, New Zealand) Tel: +45 65-74-50-12(Copenhagen, Denmark) Tel: +41 44-586-1233(Zurich, Switzerland) Tel: +61 2-8011-4078(Sydney, Australia) Tel: +27 1-1083-5458(Capetown, South Africa) Tel: +356 3550-0809 (Valletta, Malta / EU) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
Hi Henri, Are you trying to get money for Israeli children and Apache; or was it a comparison? Both. Just showing what I am doing at the same time. This is looking like spam to people and they're very confused by what you're doing. Plus, to be honest, apache id is under Israel - so both i wrote. http://www.luckystars.asia/apache http://www.luckystars.asia/israelhelp (a.k.a. http://an.to/israel ) http://www.luckystars.jp/apache is my Terra-International, Inc. account. and I can do anything (pay via paypal after etc.) on it. If people join the online game with affiliate referred by apache, apache will get great money http://www.terra-intl.com/fact.zip (FROM 150 EUR - 2300 in 70 days) Anyways, Apache will be able to gather money from Japanese companies etc. easier than before. Bronze Level would be soon appeared (because http://luckystars.jp/vip is 5000USD or more) Not related to the American NPO laws. It was not tax deductive it HAD BEEN. If it can be tax deductive, 40% save. Very big. I made the seed of this. Great thing don't you think? Just compare to car *** program. Anyways, spam definition is ambiguous. I do not care about that. Rather, please show the loveliness to apache immediately (from 50eur - http://luckystars.jp/50 ) Take care. Tetsuya @ apache - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
Hi, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I am VERY offended by you making such requests on this public mailing list. Sorry, I could not understand why you felt offended. I have http://www.luckystars.asia/perl http://www.luckystars.asia/apache http://www.luckystars.asia/osi http://www.luckystars.asia/python http://www.luckystars.asia/mozilla as well, and the money will go to the specific foundations as long as people understand what I want to do. If you are not interested in making money - please let all the income to transfer to the accounts above. That's all Just online game with affiliates - and can contribute to specific organizations. Simple. --- Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
Just one message. Do you think that MONEY MONEY person would do the PERSONAL SPONSORSHIP for poor Sri Lanka (Shinhala) apache committer? Whether Lahiru was a lier or not, I do not care. But the [TRUTH] was [TRUTH]. Please do not view all the things in prejudice. bb Tetsuya Tetsuya, I have sent you a separate EMail. Please let me know if you have not rec'd it or if you don't understand it. Thx. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
Just one message. Do you think that MONEY MONEY person would do the PERSONAL SPONSORSHIP for poor Sri Lanka (Shinhala) apache committer? Whether Lahiru was a lier or not, I do not care. But the [TRUTH] was [TRUTH]. Please do not view all the things in prejudice. bb Tetsuya Tetsuya, I have sent you a separate EMail. Please let me know if you have not rec'd it or if you don't understand it. Thx. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
I should have said this
I read the thread completely (sorry - i am reading via -digest mode) at the community@apache.org I should have said this for the first time: (Not about the NPO issues etc.) Alternative The Apache Software Foundation thanks.html system. To ALL the Jewish persons: (And Company owners, CEO/President etc.) Please help children in Israel: http://luckystars.jp/enroll/ -- if you use credit/paypal payments, it will be TAX DEDUCTIVE (Just Computer software license - ’ELEMENT4 INFO’ will be printed out) anywhere you are. If not use credit cards, referrer should be israelhelp (http://www.israelhelp.org/ ~~~ http://an.to/israel ). And this is onlinegame with affiliate - you can earn so much money and help the Israel children similtaneously. http://luckystars.jp/docs/en.pdf To ALL the people who love apache: (And Company owners, CEO/President etc.) Please help The Apache Software Foundation: http://luckystars.jp/enroll/ -- if you use credit/paypal payments, it will be TAX DEDUCTIVE (Just Computer software license - ’ELEMENT4 INFO’ will be printed out) anywhere you are. If not use credit cards, referrer should be apache (http://www.apache.org/ ~~~ http://www.luckystars.asia/apache ). And this is onlinegame with affiliate - you can earn so much money and help the Apache Software Foundation similtaneously. http://luckystars.jp/docs/en.pdf All are TAX deductive utterly wherever you are. (No need to be in the United States) And under 18 you can not enroll, so please note that if you want to pay as corporate (tax deductive / cost) - birthdate should be the current CEO/President's birthdate. Apache will be able to gather money from Japanese companies etc. easier than before. Thanks in advance. Cheers, -- Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Retweet PLZ
Retweet Please if possible: -- or please tell to your friends who might be interested in such. (Big experiments: marketing as well) RT please!! Please donate to the seminars for GIFTED children in Asia / http://www.shareit.com/product.html?productid=300336663cart=1 (PAYPAL/CREDIT CARDS etc) #wing NOTE: http://www.shareit.com/product.html?productid=300336663cart=1 will be automatically translated to abbriv. one. Rather please use http://an.to/gifted instead. The intention is really simple. I want to create New Foundation for Asian and gather a lot of people who might be interested in The Apache Software Foundation from All over the Asian regions in sooner or later -- This is just the beginning. Suuri-no-tsubasa (JAPAN) has 30 yrs long history and the most of the GOLD MEDALISTS at Internation Mathematical Olympics (IMO) come from here. http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/ (DONATE PAYPAL: http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/web?page=DonationPaypal) We have NPO in Japan but no-tax-reductive for those living in the United States. SAD! Please seek Heisuke Hironaka at wikipedia and maybe you will find out. (japanese version) He won the Fields Fields Prize in mathematics - the first Japanese , iirc. We know the Cambodia, etc.'s Nippon Zaidan activities. Hope that many talented can be take advantaged educations and influence to the poor soon in the future. I hope that you understand and help us, sir Thanks in advance. Tetsuya @ apache (I will report the result of marketing experiment if possible -- if #wing exist) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Disappointed
My patience (and I suspect others') is crumbling and I consider this to be unsolicited spam. When I saw your comment, I really regret to become the first individual sponsor (http://an.to/asf = http://web.archive.org/web/20080215064826/http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html) of the Apache Software Foundation. God bless you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Disappointed
My patience (and I suspect others') is crumbling and I consider this to be unsolicited spam. When I saw your comment, I really regret to become the first individual sponsor (http://an.to/asf = http://web.archive.org/web/20080215064826/http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html) of the Apache Software Foundation. God bless you. My patience also BROW UP. Plus, I thought that I SHOULD do all of the activities of PRC/Treasury etc. under the control of mine as the time of Sponsor [Bronze]. / including the usage and rules of this mailing list. Really now regretting. God bless you, guys. Cheers, -- Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Know Hows on settlements of NPO
Exactly Like Apache.org What do you mean by 'settlement'? Is it a particular word for the non-profit world, or did you mean the creation of a non-profit foundation? Hen On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org wrote: Letter from Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org from far east asia Can I find anyone those who have know-hows on the settlement of the private operating foundation that is registered as a non-profit, charitable organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code? Where should I go? This means that, for individuals within the U.S., donations to the foundation should be tax-deductible. (I know that the tax-deductible rate lowered by the previous government, however, Obama will swich-back the policy of it, I am sure) Settlement of #Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# and we can do not only towards the solicit of charity for SUURI-NO-TSUBASA (Incubation of Flying Giftted / Talented) but also do for establishing NEW seminar in all over Asian region. -- including south-east Asia. cf. http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/FAQ/Nonprofit/Home/default SAMPLE: http://apache.org/foundation/records/ASF-501c3.pdf --- btw Suuri-no-tsubasa (JAPAN) has 30 yrs long history and the most of the GOLD MEDALISTS at Internation Mathermatical Olympics (IMO) come from here. http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/ (DONATE PAYPAL: http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/web?page=DonationPaypal Please use not-genious google translators if possible) We have NPO in Japan but no-tax-reductive for those living in the United States. SAD! Please seek Heisuke Hironaka at wikipedia and maybe you will find out. (japanese version) He won the Fields 'Fields Prize` in mathematics - the first Japanese , iirc. Thanks in advance Yours Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata. (kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp) NPO NAME:Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# (For Gifted and Talented young people TO FLY with WING) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ 1555 Doolittle.Dr Suite170 #8282 San Leandro, CA, 94577 FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan)/+44-2033182683(UK) Skype: ai.kojima - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Know Hows on settlements of NPO
Exactly Like Apache.org What do you mean by 'settlement'? Is it a particular word for the non-profit world, or did you mean the creation of a non-profit foundation? Hen On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org wrote: Letter from Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org from far east asia Can I find anyone those who have know-hows on the settlement of the private operating foundation that is registered as a non-profit, charitable organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code? Where should I go? This means that, for individuals within the U.S., donations to the foundation should be tax-deductible. (I know that the tax-deductible rate lowered by the previous government, however, Obama will swich-back the policy of it, I am sure) Settlement of #Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# and we can do not only towards the solicit of charity for SUURI-NO-TSUBASA (Incubation of Flying Giftted / Talented) but also do for establishing NEW seminar in all over Asian region. -- including south-east Asia. cf. http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/FAQ/Nonprofit/Home/default SAMPLE: http://apache.org/foundation/records/ASF-501c3.pdf --- btw Suuri-no-tsubasa (JAPAN) has 30 yrs long history and the most of the GOLD MEDALISTS at Internation Mathermatical Olympics (IMO) come from here. http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/ (DONATE PAYPAL: http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/web?page=DonationPaypal Please use not-genious google translators if possible) We have NPO in Japan but no-tax-reductive for those living in the United States. SAD! Please seek Heisuke Hironaka at wikipedia and maybe you will find out. (japanese version) He won the Fields 'Fields Prize` in mathematics - the first Japanese , iirc. Thanks in advance Yours Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata. (kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp) NPO NAME:Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# (For Gifted and Talented young people TO FLY with WING) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ 1555 Doolittle.Dr Suite170 #8282 San Leandro, CA, 94577 FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan)/+44-2033182683(UK) Skype: ai.kojima - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Know Hows on settlements of NPO
As for below, maybe I can solve. But I need the eperienced Apache people who established non-profit foundations. Tetsuya @ apache Physical Mail which shold be posted to: International Program Department The Nippon Foundation 1-2-2 Alaska Minato-ku, Tokyo 107-8404 Japan Cover Letter TO: Mr. Yohei Sasakawa Chairman c/o International Program Department The Nippon Foundation 1-2-2 Akasaka Minato-ku, Tokyo 107-8404 Japan Cover Letter FROM: Mr. Tetsuya Kitahata President / CEO Terra-International, Incorporated 1F AmFlat , Shibuya-Amflat 6-7 Shibuya-ku, Tokyo 150-0044 Japan TITLE: Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation (For Gifted and Talented young people TO FLY with WING) We would like to do the Establishment of Non Governmental and non-profit Organization in the United States. (OR FOUNDATION) Plus, seeking those who have know-hows on the settlement of the private operating foundation that is registered as a non-profit, charitable organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. This means that, for individuals within the U.S., donations to the foundation/NPO should be tax-deductible. (I know that the tax-deductible rate lowered by the previous government, however, Obama will swich-back the policy of it, I am sure) Settlement of #Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# and we can do not only towards the solicit of charity for SUURI-NO-TSUBASA (Incubation of Flying Giftted / Talented) but also do for establishing NEW seminar in all over Asian region. -- including south-east Asia. cf. http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/FAQ/Nonprofit/Home/default SAMPLE: http://apache.org/foundation/records/ASF-501c3.pdf --- By the way, Suuri-no-tsubasa (JAPAN) has 30 yrs long history and the most of the GOLD MEDALISTS at Internation Mathematical Olympics (IMO) come from here. http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/ (DONATE PAYPAL: http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/web?page=DonationPaypal) We have NPO in Japan but no-tax-reductive for those living in the United States. SAD! Please seek Heisuke Hironaka at wikipedia and maybe you will find out. (japanese version) He won the Fields Fields Prize in mathematics - the first Japanese , iirc. We know the Cambodia, etc.'s Nippon Zaidan activities. Hope that many talented can be take advantaged educations and influence to the poor soon in the future. Thanks in advance Yours Sincerely, -- Tetsuya Kitahata. (kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp / Laws) NPO NAME:Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation (For Gifted and Talented young people TO FLY with WING) Project Budget: 1,000,000 EUR -- Exactly Like Apache.org What do you mean by 'settlement'? Is it a particular word for the non-profit world, or did you mean the creation of a non-profit foundation? Hen On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org wrote: Letter from Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org from far east asia Can I find anyone those who have know-hows on the settlement of the private operating foundation that is registered as a non-profit, charitable organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code? Where should I go? This means that, for individuals within the U.S., donations to the foundation should be tax-deductible. (I know that the tax-deductible rate lowered by the previous government, however, Obama will swich-back the policy of it, I am sure) Settlement of #Asian-Suuri Incubation Foundation# and we can do not only towards the solicit of charity for SUURI-NO-TSUBASA (Incubation of Flying Giftted / Talented) but also do for establishing NEW seminar in all over Asian region. -- including south-east Asia. cf. http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/FAQ/Nonprofit/Home/default SAMPLE: http://apache.org/foundation/records/ASF-501c3.pdf --- btw Suuri-no-tsubasa (JAPAN) has 30 yrs long history and the most of the GOLD MEDALISTS at Internation Mathermatical Olympics (IMO) come from here. http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/ (DONATE PAYPAL: http://www.npo-tsubasa.jp/web?page=DonationPaypal Please use not-genious google translators if possible) We have NPO in Japan but no-tax-reductive for those living in the United States. SAD! Please seek Heisuke Hironaka at wikipedia and maybe you will find out. (japanese version) He won the Fields 'Fields Prize` in mathematics - the first Japanese , iirc. Thanks in advance Yours Sincerely, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org
Re: CA Server (Re: prc)
VeriSign Class 2 is 700USD/page per year IIRC. All the members to have Class2 *for free* would be reasonable. Plus, donated committers (e.g. 100USD) to have Class2 would be reasonable as well. Tetsuya, So can I clarify. Do you expect the ASF to pay for some 300 Class 2 certificates from Verisign? Then some further 1800 or more committer certificates? That is a staggeringly expensive project to even consider. Even if they were donated to the ASF, that would be another component of an already bustling infrastructure metropolis, we are just not geared up for that yet. That's not to say we couldn't be, but at the moment we are not. There could be one way: Members and committers: by the request, they can get (Members: free / Committers: 100 - 200 USD/yr) The best way would be -- as needless to say -- recruiting VeriSign as a Plutinum Sponsor :-) WDYT -- Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: CA Server (Re: prc)
Plus, I personally think that all the committers post to anno...@apache.org etc. to use S/MIME. I am no longer an individual sponsor (by svn commit: r779649), so this is just IMHO: # By the way, why there could be no emertus sponsor # list? I donated to Python Software Foundation 4yrs ago # and still remain my name listed on the web. I think it # is rather Normal. Really Strange... VeriSign Class 2 is 700USD/page per year IIRC. All the members to have Class2 *for free* would be reasonable. Plus, donated committers (e.g. 100USD) to have Class2 would be reasonable as well. WDYT? Tetsuya Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Seems that no response ... But don't care. MY Practical Proposal: Establishing CA Server in @apache.org (For S/MINE, PGP etc.) The Apache Software Foundation has numerous faxes or papers from all of the committers at least, and they would be reliable. It's good idea for me (and YOU) to establish CA Center (Server) in apache. AIUI the main problem is that there aren't (or weren't) any CA servers which did exactly what apache wanted. in general, apache tends to be use distributed trust models to avoid single points of failure. so, a CA would need to be secure and embody some of the same qualities. IIRC some folks started coding up a suitable application but i'm not sure why it never made it into use. a major use case was going to be managing client side certification for subversion access. AIUI infrastructure has been working hard implementing LDAP but that's just about completed. now might be a good time to ask them about the CA project. - - robert - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ 1555 Doolittle.Dr Suite170 #200 San Leandro, CA, 94577 FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan)/+44-2033182683(UK) Skype: tkitahata / ai.kojima - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
CA Server (Re: prc)
Seems that no response ... But don't care. MY Practical Proposal: Establishing CA Server in @apache.org (For S/MINE, PGP etc.) The Apache Software Foundation has numerous faxes or papers from all of the committers at least, and they would be reliable. It's good idea for me (and YOU) to establish CA Center (Server) in apache. Please use my (sponsorship) money for it. Any thoughts? Thanks Tetsuya Kitahata kitah...@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp tets...@apache.org - Dear ASF PRC Members #CC: commun...@a.o. Message From Tetsuya Kitahata wearing #Sponsor HAT# I am celebrating the 10th anniversary of the ASF and the success of ApacheCon EU. I am sorry to respond late because of the additional (personal) sponsorship things etc. About the doap things, any kinds of progress at ApacheCon EU 2009?? Seemed that I could not see any progress... right? As for doaps, attached file (doaps.tar.gz) contains some missing doaps, so please use appropriately. (Includes recent news item projects -- Zookeeper, Mailet Base, CXF, PyLucene, Buildr, CouchDB etc. -- enhance, edit plz. I am afraid I could not describe correctly) I think that evangelizing this project (DOAP project) is ought to be more efficient. People (developers) can not find right project for their products etc. in apache.org now. Please take it seriously. By the way, I have a translation website of projects.apache.org at http://projects.terra-intl.com/ (Japanese) If possible, linking from http://projects.apache.org would be very impressive for japanese apache lovers. Plz add. # Maintained completely by doaps. Obrigado, -- Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org Tetsuya - thanks for the note. I'm sending this just to prc@ since both Jim and I are on that list. Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: As usual, corporate sponsor won't speak to PRC directly as a sponsor. Of course, I know that Apache should not be a slave of sponsors. What I would like to talk is not such a kind of thing. Please understand. Yes, I agree that the ASF should not be influenced or controlled by sponsors (slave). However we (the ASF, and in particular the PRC) do want to be responsive and open to hearing what our sponsors are interested in and thinking about. So please do email prc@ with your thoughts when wearing your #sponsor hat#! 1. Congratulations on PRC Fundraising Committee. Both working together would be beneficial to the foundation I believe. Plus, personally I think that this Committee also have Communication Committee. -- For example, jobs@, community@, woman@ management etc. and evolved to Public Relations, Communications and Fundraising Committee. (If Communications means internal and exrternal, Public Relations would be needless, maybe) Yes, the PRC (Public Relations Committee) is basically in charge of most of those areas on the broad scale. Overall communication with the public should be what the PRC manages, however we may not have always formally taken charge of the various email lists and other topics. The areas that the PRC clearly owns, and how the PRC sets policy and goes about using then is still being defined over time. Several other PRC members and ASF members have been thinking about how we do outreach - how we, as an open source and software organization, can more actively attract developers and educate the public and businesses about open source best practices. Here on prc@ is probably the best place to work on those kinds of subjects. 2. Please encourage the doap files to be created more. Plus, I suppose doap files should not be maintained by each PMC, rather in one repository they should be put, I hope. Simple reason. When I find error in doap, I must put the opinions on each dev list, it is very painful for each other. (Sometimes it happened in the past: see attached file for example) #DOAP# repository would be OK. (all committers can edit) -- and current ones (in svn repositories in each projects) to be batch renewed daily or hourly. One of the things I hoped to do over ApacheCon next week is to create and update more project's DOAP files to ensure we have complete coverage. In many cases if we send a patch to the dev@ list for a project, I expect they'll check it in for us. I disagree that the DOAP files should be in a central repository. The best place to create and store these is in the individual project repositories, since the individual projects really need to be responsible to keep them updated. Part of the problem with poor maintenance of the DOAP files is that projects don't realize how much of a strategic value to the ASF overall they can be. 3. I had thought that the announcements at annou...@apache.org how to be more polished. I agree that we'd like to have more polished announcements
Re: prc
Dear ASF PRC Members #CC: commun...@a.o. Message From Tetsuya Kitahata wearing #Sponsor HAT# I am celebrating the 10th anniversary of the ASF and the success of ApacheCon EU. I am sorry to respond late because of the additional (personal) sponsorship things etc. About the doap things, any kinds of progress at ApacheCon EU 2009?? Seemed that I could not see any progress... right? As for doaps, attached file (doaps.tar.gz) contains some missing doaps, so please use appropriately. (Includes recent news item projects -- Zookeeper, Mailet Base, CXF, PyLucene, Buildr, CouchDB etc. -- enhance, edit plz. I am afraid I could not describe correctly) I think that evangelizing this project (DOAP project) is ought to be more efficient. People (developers) can not find right project for their products etc. in apache.org now. Please take it seriously. By the way, I have a translation website of projects.apache.org at http://projects.terra-intl.com/ (Japanese) If possible, linking from http://projects.apache.org would be very impressive for japanese apache lovers. Plz add. # Maintained completely by doaps. Obrigado, -- Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org Tetsuya - thanks for the note. I'm sending this just to prc@ since both Jim and I are on that list. Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: As usual, corporate sponsor won't speak to PRC directly as a sponsor. Of course, I know that Apache should not be a slave of sponsors. What I would like to talk is not such a kind of thing. Please understand. Yes, I agree that the ASF should not be influenced or controlled by sponsors (slave). However we (the ASF, and in particular the PRC) do want to be responsive and open to hearing what our sponsors are interested in and thinking about. So please do email prc@ with your thoughts when wearing your #sponsor hat#! 1. Congratulations on PRC Fundraising Committee. Both working together would be beneficial to the foundation I believe. Plus, personally I think that this Committee also have Communication Committee. -- For example, jobs@, community@, woman@ management etc. and evolved to Public Relations, Communications and Fundraising Committee. (If Communications means internal and exrternal, Public Relations would be needless, maybe) Yes, the PRC (Public Relations Committee) is basically in charge of most of those areas on the broad scale. Overall communication with the public should be what the PRC manages, however we may not have always formally taken charge of the various email lists and other topics. The areas that the PRC clearly owns, and how the PRC sets policy and goes about using then is still being defined over time. Several other PRC members and ASF members have been thinking about how we do outreach - how we, as an open source and software organization, can more actively attract developers and educate the public and businesses about open source best practices. Here on prc@ is probably the best place to work on those kinds of subjects. 2. Please encourage the doap files to be created more. Plus, I suppose doap files should not be maintained by each PMC, rather in one repository they should be put, I hope. Simple reason. When I find error in doap, I must put the opinions on each dev list, it is very painful for each other. (Sometimes it happened in the past: see attached file for example) #DOAP# repository would be OK. (all committers can edit) -- and current ones (in svn repositories in each projects) to be batch renewed daily or hourly. One of the things I hoped to do over ApacheCon next week is to create and update more project's DOAP files to ensure we have complete coverage. In many cases if we send a patch to the dev@ list for a project, I expect they'll check it in for us. I disagree that the DOAP files should be in a central repository. The best place to create and store these is in the individual project repositories, since the individual projects really need to be responsible to keep them updated. Part of the problem with poor maintenance of the DOAP files is that projects don't realize how much of a strategic value to the ASF overall they can be. 3. I had thought that the announcements at annou...@apache.org how to be more polished. I agree that we'd like to have more polished announcements. The PRC should work to craft better guidelines for announcements, with very clear and easy to follow instructions (to make it as simple as possible for PMCs to follow them). At that point, it's really up to the individual projects to do a better job of writing their announcements. We can't do the work for our PMCs - we need to let them write them themselves. We can just make the guidelines as easy to read and find as possible. i) Release Candidates, Milestone Releases, Beta, Alpha, Incubated ones not to be published there. I think announcement from ASF
Re: Grassroots PR
Hi, As for the project news (release news), you folks can use apachenews.org (Unofficial resource, but I guess it is very useful for the users/BIGfans of the apache products). http://www.apachenews.org/ (Historically, this is the heir of the Jakarta News/ Apache News) Now, this contains the information on each projects (as far as projects provide the information in DOAP files -- http://projects.apache.org/ ). Very user-friendly website, which has more than 3-year-history, I believe. You can post hot news topics (especially, alpha/beta-version releases and incubation-release) on your projects to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that annoucements upon stable release should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED](ASF-wide annoucement list) # I am planning to competitive upgrade from MovableType to # Apache Roller ;) , BTW Sincerely, Tetsuya Kitahata, (Note that a draft of this message was posted to PRC@ before posting here.) In recent threads on the PRC list, a couple of items came up that might be worth bringing to the community for further discussion. These suggestion all require community participation, and so a key question is whether the community would participate :) * Extending people.apache.org with personal profiles * [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] email drops * A Roller zone for PMC blogs Extending people.apache.org with personal profiles It's been suggested that we circulate a press release regarding the election of the 2007-2008 board, and include some headshots and bios of present and past officers and board members on our board page. We've started to collect more information about the people involved in the foundation at http://people.apache.org, but the site is not well publicized. If we would like to post profiles of our board members, perhaps we would also like work toward providing personal profiles for all of our committers. If we added personal profiles to the people.apache.org site, and added the capability to create a page per ASF project or group, we might end up with Who we are pages for each project that looked something like the profile page here: http://women.debian.org/profiles/. For discussion purposes, I've posted an example of an ASF personal profile at http://people.apache.org/~husted/profile.html, cribbing from the Debian site. Again, the format is for discussion purposes only. Should we encourage a more personal touch to our who we are pages? [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] email drops A recurring PR problem is finding someone with product knowledge to contact that's willing to respond. Perhaps we should encourage all projects to setup individual press@ and security@ mail drops that could go to people within the project, who could then forward valid messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, it makes no sense to setup a project press@ drop unless there are volunteers in the project willing to do the work. If a project were up to handle its own press@, we could also copy [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that there is some central oversight. Should we encourage per-project press@ and project@ mail drops? A Roller zone for PMC blogs One of the most popular blogging softwares on the planet, Roller, is now an ASF project http://rollerweblogger.org/project/. Perhaps it's time to eat our own dogfood and encourage development of a Roller zone where our PMC's can post easy-to-aggregate announcement blogs. These would not be individual blogs as we have on PlanetApache.org, but PMC blogs that would focus solely on project news. The initiative could be tied to http://projects.apache.org/, so that there was a one-stop shop for project news. Aside from Roller, another way to go would be an XML-based feed, like the one that's being used at Jakarta. As always, the tipping point would be whether we have volunteers up to doing the work. Should we encourage projects blogs to post and aggregate project news and events? If the community is interested in doing more to publicize the foundation's activities, I'm sure there are other things we could do as well. Of course, a key question is whether we want to raise our our profile or just be the quiet juggernaut. -Ted. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Bronze Sponsorship Member (Individual), The Apache Software Foundation -- http://sponsor.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Page of mailing list data
Just looking for an easier way than querying the mail lists one at a time. Every now and then we discover that a list is inadequately moderated and so I'm trying to think of ways to maintain oversight there. The mailing list query responder works on regex patterns.. I've moved this to http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html For example, annnounce @ a.o. has very nice spam filter in order to prevent spam mails coming from non-apache.org address From:. Perhaps, announcement @ j.a.o. (etc.) can implement such a function -- then most of the moderators would not get bored by a large quantity of daily junks. # This can and should be implemented to the most of # [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists -- axiom. can you imagine # cvs commit message from non-apache.org address? There are perhaps inadequately moderated mailing lists in a.o., however, i believe it that you still can find better way to ease the burdens of moderators so that they can moderate appropriately. * share of knowledge * Sincerely, P.S. I noticed this very useful. http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: private mailing list for committers
Hi, Thanks for posting the clarification - which would puts me in favor of Felipe Leme's suggestion for a private list for committers. Steve. +1 -- I'm in favor, too. Suggestion: world at apache dot org Cheers, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (subject should be written in ASCII only) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Hi Community! http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html I remember this fantastic effort of the Apache Community --- Apache Community Worldwide --- However, unfortunately it appears that this map has not been updated since the end of July, 2003. When I became a committer in apache (last year), I was very attracted by and interested in such community efforts created by so many people in apache.org. --- Apache Community Worldwide --- is sure to be one of the greatest derivatives of this Apache Community. You can see the day and night activities from various countries in the world. I wish this (ACW) to come to life again. Need help? Cheers, -- Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: failure notice
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Aye. Thanks a ton. By the way, can I suggest it that -- if your team (infrastructure team) would have conducted *critical* infrastructural affairs, could you please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to notify those changes? infrastructure@ is closed list and community@ (and committers@) are open lists. -- so, for the better communications, can I propose this? infrastructure@ is an open list as far as I can tell. I'm subscribed and am a committer like yourself. ct That said, it would be nice to have some form of outward communication on the various admin things. Yet another painful thing for the admins to have to juggle, but nice for those of us out here on the fringe. One example is the massive spam improvements. The amount of spam coming into my moderator queues dived and I spent a little while wondering what was up with my email server :) Fortunately I listen to infrastructure and after a while someone mentioned that spamassassin was in place and taking care of much. Unsure what the best medium would be. A weekly 'infrastructure notes' email? Hen Henri, thanks, I can tell it that infrastructure@ is not `open list`. # Guess it why. can you pick up infrastructure@ # archives at eyebrowse? -- really *closed* LIST it is, # from my point of views And, I've decide to unsubscribe there at the end of November 2003. (I'd been fed up with the newsletter controversy, there -- at that time) It's closed list. What I suggest -- very simple. Yes, I can tell you that the changes of the infrastructural issues would have been discussed at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (Could you please *give* me the number of the subscribers, if you can -- au -- and the nice url for the reference of the infrastructural matters?) However, most of the committers (800 people, IIRC) would not have access to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow ... really *high traffic* list, if i remember correctly. --- not opened. In such a situation, using [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be better to notify the serious changes in the infrastructural issue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is very nice list for such notifications of serious infrastructural issues. (Do believe it -- objections?) Thanks in advance, Love guys, Sincerely, Tetsuya - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failure notice
Hi, On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: I do no that the Subject does not seem valid; i.e. the charset escaping is wrong. But it would be nice if the notice has a note what rule was triggered. Given that it is this early it was based on IP ? Dw It seems not -- not IP based. simply it is blocking /^Subject: =\?(ISO-2022-JP|koi8-r|euc_kr|big5|gb2312|)\?(B|Q)\?/io or something. # We DO know what this would mean. Especially, those who # have experience of administration of mail servers # (qmail,james,sendmail etc.). As Brian told us, it was based on the script what i suggested in various ways -- it appears. This pattern rejects all the e-mails written in japanese/russian/korean/taiwanese/chinese -- in Subject: header line. (Please refer to RFP for MIME) Most of spam mails in japanese/russian/korean/taiwanese/chinese have MIME encoded subject header line. So, I thought it that it would be nice to *spamwatch* mails in such pattern -- in order to reduce the *burden*s of *.apache.org mailing list moderators and perhaps most of the committers who are normally using latinized languages --. What I *suggested* was ... perl script for individual committers not for *default settings in mail server* -- but ... it turned out that it could have choked my neck. apache.org server have come to REJECT my private mails ... since 28th May, 2004. Sinsetu kokoro no GYAKU kouka -- Of course, I can tell you that I would not complain if there were some nice notifications and how-to documents there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is very nice list for *notification*s and *communication*s for such. I do not think it that (Brian's) spamwatch perl script is not nice. Rather, really nice it has been. -- I do believe it that apache.org is tackling spamming issues in TOP Level (By the way, congratulations spamassassin guys! -- TLP now!) and it deserves praise. Please let me know if you have troubles in multi-byte issues. I want to *communicate* more -- if i could enough *right* (karma?) to do. Thanks, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: failure notice
Hello, Could you (someone who *can* access to Hermes.Apache.Org -- CLOSED server in OPEN SOURCE community -- or minotaur.apache) please change that 552 error message from Message rejected as it is spam to Message rejected as it is spam or perhaps it is written in non-latin-language ? We (Japanese) can not figure it out why our mails are spam. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, -- Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Original Message --- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:45 +0900 Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smb511.nifty.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 209.237.227.199 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 552 Message rejected as it is spam --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 12138 invoked from network); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:34 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO smvs511.nifty.com) (192.168.62.103) by smb511.nifty.com with SMTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:34 +0900 Received: (qmail 2201 invoked from network); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:32 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO ?221.113.210.104?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@127.0.0.1) by smvs511.nifty.com with SMTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 04:00:32 +0900 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:00:38 +0900 From: Tetsuya Kitahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJUYlOSVIJWEhPCVrGyhC?= Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.10.03 [ja] Test Mail (japanized mail .. to @apache.org server) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - Original Message Ends - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failure notice
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:50:53 -0400 Noel J. Bergman wrote: As for the problem, it seems to be in spamwatch, and will be addressed. --- Noel Aye. Thanks a ton. By the way, can I suggest it that -- if your team (infrastructure team) would have conducted *critical* infrastructural affairs, could you please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list to notify those changes? infrastructure@ is closed list and community@ (and committers@) are open lists. -- so, for the better communications, can I propose this? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Author tags (Re: ASF Board Summary for February 18, 2004)
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:41:27 +0100 Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Mar 4, 2004, at 1:46 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote: On Wednesday 03 March 2004 07:38 pm, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Greg Stein wrote: - author tags are officially discouraged. these create difficulties in .. author tags (/document/properties/author) (On a personal title): I think the operative word is 'discuraged'. They are not banned, forbidden or anything else - just a nudge that it is best practice to have them not in/near the code. But do not fret over it too much; certainly do not create more of them, and clean up is kinda nice - but lets make sure it does not distract us from doing real things/coding. Okay. Thanks a ton. I'm going to clean up the www.apache.org site module in the next week (That goes for jakarta-site2 module, too), if there's no remarkable objections. The cleaning-up works seem not to affect to my real social activities -- not severe burdens so much -- i believe. Preferable habits/customs should be displayed in visible way, for those who follow in the future. :) - Just balancing. -- Just DO IT :-) -- -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Author tags (Re: ASF Board Summary for February 18, 2004)
Dear folks @ community, Hello. One question came to my mind about the licensing issue. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:19:01 -0800 Greg Stein wrote: - author tags are officially discouraged. these create difficulties in establishing the proper ownership and the protection of our committers. there are other social issues dealing with collaborative development, but the Board is concerned about the legal ramifications around the use of author tags I think it that perhaps we should pay much attentin to the licensing issue upon websites in ***.apache.org, too (not sure .. correct me if i am wrong) I could see some XML files (e.g. files in site module) having author tags (/document/properties/author) which contained real person's names and e-mail addresses. Should we also change these old customs ? I mean, usage of real person's names in author tags should be discouraged ? # e.g. (Preferable?) # site module: # author email=apache.AT.apache.DOT.orgThe Apache Software Foundation/author # jakarta-site2 module: # author email=general.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.orgApache Jakarta Project/author I do appreciate any inputs/comments/suggestions. T.I.A. Sincerely, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft patents XML based script automation?
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:08:59 + robert burrell donkin wrote: software patents encourage innovation? don't make me laugh! bitter-laughterhahaha/bitter-laughter Let's laugh! Join in the laughter! .. singing Yellow *Submarine* :) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:32:33 -0500 (EST) Dave Brondsema wrote: I see Planet Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... Gump's not a person. Like you said, the planet is for authors (people) associated with apache. Yep, Gump is not a person, but a chain restaurant of Shrimp dishes. :) The point is -- CHAIN reactions of/from subscribers. The messages from Jakarta Gump would never affect to the other subscribers' opinions/participations. Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get! ... ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gump Spam
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:58:01 -0700 (Subject: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)) Adam R. B. Jack wrote: I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed. I believe several others chimed in with the same sentiment. So, Thom wasn't alone in his assessment in the situation. And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged, there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw was that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities. -- justin I think what caused me most surprise was that I missed the whole darn 'Shut The Gump Up' conversation. If I'd known Gump was pissing folks off so much I'd've pulled it myself (as I did that day when it was producing HTML w/ an open table tag.) What is somewhat amusing is that Gump was pulled for verbosity (and/or boringness) from conversations on a page that I've already stopped reading due to it's verbosity/noise... I think it that Gump has a very weak Van der Waals force (^_^). Maybe it is due to the fact that the messages (naggings) from Jakarta Gump would never influence (be influenced) to/by the other subscribers' opinions/participations. I'm plus one to opins from Justin/Thom etc. However, do not be afraid. Perhaps you can create *new* second planet for gumpy etc. (Before that, I'd like to see Adam's blog, by the way :) I do/did not think it that Gumpy naggings are/were noisy, however, you might have to think of the weak Van der Waals force / Gravity force with the other subscribers. Cheers. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
serendipity (Re: Gump Spam)
Forgot to mention On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:58:01 -0700 Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious to explore it... Serendipity issue, by the way? Gathering news/items from various communities (projects) might be interesting. Well, I can setup new domain within my company's website. (philapache.org/unitedapache.org ? :) Perhaps this *social* experiment would be rather hosted @ apache.org domain. Do you have an idea? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004
Much much more so: congratulations to everybody who slaved away on the new license for all these many years. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040121.1 Congratulations to everybody who devoted to the new license - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On 23 Jan 2004 09:12:06 +0100 David N. Welton wrote: Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get! ... ;-) What makes you believe planet might want to have this box? Not sure. :) Please read http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/ and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040115.1 - Life *on PlanetApache* is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get! ... :) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plant Apache is now online
'plant apache -- and let the seed grow' :-) 'plane apache -- and plane a board smooth' :-) iyan 'plane apache -- and go on a plane to travel around the world' :-) cf. http://www.apache.org/~sgala/map.html -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2003: Year of Apache (fwd)
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:24:50 +0900 Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Something for us all to be proud of. While this post talks about httpd, 2003 was no doubt the year many of the ASF's projects really started to shine, in addition to some very important new projects getting under way. Oh, good. Congratulations! By the way, how can we describe the year 2003 as ... for apache? Currently, I am writing articles for Apache/Jakarta/TLPs (10pages!) and want to put some nice comments on the history of year 2003. Deadline - tomorrow :-( -- I've taken a look at the Netcraft survey graphs again. Fantastic. I posted a message to the mailing list for sueveryers/marketers -- 5,000 participants. Maybe I can receive a nice feedback from them :) /*** NOTE: I wanted to know the effects of the announcements which Sander and Jim posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's important for us to measure the side-effect of announcements. */ -- Thanks! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2003: Year of Apache (fwd)
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:00:35 -0800 (PST) Brian Behlendorf wrote: Something for us all to be proud of. While this post talks about httpd, 2003 was no doubt the year many of the ASF's projects really started to shine, in addition to some very important new projects getting under way. Oh, good. Congratulations! Perhaps future historians will view httpd as the gateway drug for people learning about Apache software and Open Source in general. :) LOL. BTW, Nicotine-Patch works(ed) well for me, especially effective in the improvements of my *brain*. :) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undermining the Incubator
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:27:35 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Except that it is not. I just think I'll bring it up in 6 months when there are more dead bodies floating around. Noel does a great PR job though. Oh, Dead Bodies? ... scared. I do not think there are dead bodies. However, i think you can shout/cry/scream/yell-out at such zombies if you insist it that there are dead bodies floating around just like you did 6 months / 1 year ago :) Perhaps it would be better for you to do them @ either Mt. Evans or Mt. Fuji... with Meditation/Yoga :) Happy year 2004. -- Tetsuya. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disregard Re: Undermining the Incubator
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:22:17 +0100 Santiago Gala Pérez wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: (...) | Many of us rant in email, delete, then recompose with some decorum. | Since many things that are discussed in community involve strongly held | personal opinions and beliefs, this safety measure ensures that intelligent | dialogs can be pursued and the best course of action followed. In this very spirit, 8 hours ago I was about to suggest Andy to put his outbox in a moderation queue, but then I thought my message was too harsh and I refrained from sending it... Oh, great. Nifty. By the way, maybe I could *invent* new medicine (patch form) which aids mitigation of the withdrawal symptoms of such *writing impulse* effectively -- USAGE: apply one patch which is effective 16 hours a day -- However, I am afraid I can not export it to the place where Andy lives in, because the ministry of health and welfare in japan is banning me from doing it or due to the failure of the delivery system. I could import nicotine patch from new zealand, though. ... Very sad ... ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undermining the Incubator
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:33:00 +0100 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: From: Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all, thanks for this thorough resonse. Sure. True. This does belong on community@ I think it belongs in the Incubator, as the Incubator is exactly for these discussions (where constructive). For sure, as long as such interested parties would assure themselves that there might be no teachers in apache. Coaching and mentoring minds might be necessary for the incubation. Yes, i can see it that the incubator project itself is evolving. You do not have to behave as a teacher. If you want to become a teacher (or someone expect you to be a teacher), you are sure to be infected by the disease of bureaucratism. ... Oh, six months investigations and observations (perhaps I, observer, influenced upon the status of the community a lot deducted by quantum mechanics :-) completely made me very assured. Perhaps my own theory might be able to evolve in the future :-) The keyword might be awareness... (and symbiosis? :-) Thank you, brothers. Love. (Phila-delphia? :-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Single Location for syndicated Apache blogs
Noel, Ceremony. I suspect it that even such a nice community has to be baptized once. (one day or less) Legitimatization, in order to keep *consistency* in a big and social community. To make it orthodox. No, Incubation has nothing to do with pomp and circumstance. Pomp? .. I do not think it is pomp. What makes it pomp might be the intentions/hearts of the interested parties. I would like to see the cheerful/considerate incubation. However, The Incubator's purpose is to ensure that projects coming into the ASF - are legally clean, - that their communities are healthy, - and that they follow basic ASF policies/procedures. I agree with this, too. IMHO, the problem seems that the last two purposes listed here can not be measured in scientific way. Also, i am afraid it that 99% of the participants in incubator would be not laywers. How can you, non-laywers, judge whether XYZ project is legally clean/safe or not, by the way? (Sorry for such a childish question) ... Incubator project PMC has at least three laywers? Also, I'd like to know why there could be a lot of far from beta projects in incubator. (Really are they far from beta?) I am happy to see the nurturing incubation process projects, which can be also suitable for http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Points/ http://www.w3.org/2003/06/Process-20030618/ -- From the stand point of the affinity to the other apache.org projects ...: I think it that it takes over a month. First Step: Accredited ASF Sister Project (1) Second Step: Incubated Project (2) Third Step: ASF Project (3) ... *maybe* this is good. (not sure) ... I think it that XYZ project coming to apache can get affinity to the other apache.org projects during (1) process/step. (1) would not have to do with legal issues. -- Thank you for reading. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Single Location for syndicated Apache blogs
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:40:29 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: At least two projects, WS (http://ws.apache.org/blog/) and POI (http://nagoya.apache.org/poi/news/), already have project blogs, although using different technologies. Probably you can count this in, too: http://javatapestry.blogspot.com/ ... Cool. :) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Single Location for syndicated Apache blogs
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:13:31 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Does it seem sensible to take an already successful ASL licensed, community developed piece of software by an already successful open source developer and force it into a somewhat beta status by making it go through the incubator just because that is the way things are done? Ceremony. I suspect it that even such a nice community has to be baptized once. (one day or less) Legitimatization, in order to keep *consistency* in a big and social community. To make it orthodox. Maybe you can record/memorize these: XYZ project received baptism in incubator-- DD Mon GMT-0500. XYZ project was welcomed to apache community -- DD+1 Mon GMT-0500. If such a baptism would be taken place within 24 hours, nobody would feel the sense of anti-freedom. There might be no conflict (do hope). Happiness Peace i do love such a happiness ... The point is ... 24 hours Thank you for reading. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plan of the future Newsletter
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:26:30 -0600 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: The entire suggestion? I was really surprised that you proposed spaming the announce list again with the full body of the newsletter, but the rest of your proposals seemed on target. Yes, the entire suggestion. Withdrawal. Sorry. (No committer can ask for the creation of a mailing list without a community vote ... I have heard) I'd come to lack my self-confidence in the contribution to the foundation. Often my action had the opposite effect to what was intended, it seems. Maybe it would be due to the poorness of my eng*r*ish skill, however, i do not want it to be excuse of that. I do not want to hurt anyone and to be hurted, anymore. it's over. I would like to seek other methods to contribute to the foundation. Rather, in more visible way. No disputes. Anyways, i do not want to see the bad logic, which is obviously sugar-coat of the exposures of ones' *bad* feelings, anymore. Also, i suspect that the whole balance of the *community energy* became negative -- which was positive when the the creation of that first newsletter. People had been tired -- about newsletter. Newsletter was really premature baby. Now I have to commit infanticide, it seems. (I made this baby bad boy, not intentionally) I wish you all a merry Christmas. Thank you and sorry, Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RSS feed -- Release News
Hello, I have a question here. -- which would be related to the new service of apache. (I think some of committers/members would feel it **fun**) Folks, please take a glance at http://jakarta.apache.org/ -- Headlines -- section. You can see it that this page has Release News etc. (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html) I am planning to re-create this section to be more Web-Semantecized. I guess Statistics would show it that in jakarta, http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi has more page access rate than http://jakarta.apache.org/ (I can only have http referer stats upon jakarta.terra-intl.com, but this seems very accurate) ... This means that if we can put the release news (headline) at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi, users would feel very comfortable. I think other TLPs can make use of the Web-Semantecized tools if Apache can prepare unified nice RSS feed. Do you folks have any cool ideas on it? ... Very fun. (Also, this tool will be able to contribute to the preparation of the notes for Board Report) Sincerely, cf. http://ws.apache.org/blog/ - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plan of the future Newsletter
Hello, I will take back my remarks upon this issue. Sorry for the annoyance. Thank you, I wish you a merry Christmas. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:53:45 +0900 (Subject: Plan of the future Newsletter) Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hello folks, I talked with Rob (Rob Oxspring) about the Apache Newsletter. Rob seemed to have been very busy because of the job change. I had felt it that The Apache Newsletter was one of my children. ... Really worried about the future of my child. Therefore, for the time being, I do want to seize the initiative of the publishin' of The Apache Newsletter. -- Maybe (.. no, probably) I was very stubborn about the Apache Newsletter issue. I just wanted to try to get meaningful opinions, statistics and feedbacks from readers. Wanted to experiment upon a lot of things. Well, now I am thinking: 1. create [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for newsletter readers) 2. create [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for newsletter editors/ contributors) 3. publish apache newsletter issue #3 at announce@apache.org (under 15k i guess) .. the final newsletter to be posted to announce@apache.org -- 25th Dec, 2003 or around 4. announce the existence of (1) and (2) at announce@apache.org with apache newsletter #3 5. publish Apache Newsletter Year 2003 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- around 15th, January (I do hope) I will request (1), (2) to apmail@ and infrastructure@ as soon as possible. # If i had a karma for apmail, of course i will do it by myself ;-) Plus, forgive me sending newsletter #3 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please understand it that this (#3) would be also *sample* newsletter for the new comers. People won't come to new list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if we will not show the *sample* letter ... -- I *do* appreciate your understandings and cooperations. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3 Thanks, -- Tetsuya. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Really thanks Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plan of the future Newsletter
Hello folks, I talked with Rob (Rob Oxspring) about the Apache Newsletter. Rob seemed to have been very busy because of the job change. I had felt it that The Apache Newsletter was one of my children. ... Really worried about the future of my child. Therefore, for the time being, I do want to seize the initiative of the publishin' of The Apache Newsletter. -- Maybe (.. no, probably) I was very stubborn about the Apache Newsletter issue. I just wanted to try to get meaningful opinions, statistics and feedbacks from readers. Wanted to experiment upon a lot of things. Well, now I am thinking: 1. create [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for newsletter readers) 2. create [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for newsletter editors/ contributors) 3. publish apache newsletter issue #3 at announce@apache.org (under 15k i guess) .. the final newsletter to be posted to announce@apache.org -- 25th Dec, 2003 or around 4. announce the existence of (1) and (2) at announce@apache.org with apache newsletter #3 5. publish Apache Newsletter Year 2003 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- around 15th, January (I do hope) I will request (1), (2) to apmail@ and infrastructure@ as soon as possible. # If i had a karma for apmail, of course i will do it by myself ;-) Plus, forgive me sending newsletter #3 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please understand it that this (#3) would be also *sample* newsletter for the new comers. People won't come to new list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if we will not show the *sample* letter ... -- I *do* appreciate your understandings and cooperations. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3 Thanks, -- Tetsuya. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Really thanks Rob - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Community *thanks* and Community *responsibility*
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:09:55 -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: What is this community thanks/sorry thing? and what does this have to do with the brain stucture you describe? Excuse my evident stupidity but I don't get it. Aha. what I wanted to imply is ... that the local thinking and global thinking are completely opposite results of the brain, however, they often can be seen *as if* they were the same things on first sight. If we can not recognize the sameness and differentia, often we *attack* our dear fellows. I've come to realize that Apache was far from bureaucratism, because the dynamism of the Apache has been derived from right-side cerebral cortex (Global brain). What could be perceived bureaucratism for me was *not* bureaucratism in this community. Also, Community Thanks in the higher level of our activities -- will keep this community sane. I wanted to describe what you told me/us before, in other words. ;-) # Also, the ASF bylaws really fits to such right-side cerebral # cortex styled way of thinking. -- Thanks, (personal thanks :) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Community *thanks* and Community *responsibility*
Hello! Now I am exploring about our brains. :-) left-side cerebral cortex (A) | right-side cerebral cortex (D) --|--- left-side limbic system (B) | right-side limbic system (C) (A) can be expressed as Calculation Brain (B) can be expressed as Organization/Planning Brain (C) can be expressed as Communication Brain (D) can be expressed as Innovation/Integration Brain (A) is opposed to (C) as well as (B) is opposed to (D). The confrontation between (A) and (C) can be expressed as the difference of men/women. (Just a difference of the preference of thinking) (B) brain often takes responsibilities of local organization (and person). Also, (B) brain is highly related to sectionalism, bureaucratism. (Bureaucrats often create trifling works in order to maintain their *local* organizations and keep their prides ;-) On the other hand, (D) brain (as opposed to (B) brain) can also take responsibilities, however, they would be rather global responsibilites. I imagined these *responsibilities* can be highly associated with community thanks. When I became Apache Software Foundation Committer, I felt strangeness of the messages Thanks/Sorry from some ASF members. I tried to confirm what makes them say such words in particular situations. Now, I do realize that this was Community thanks/Community sorry. ( = These *thanks* messages are derived from the WILL of our community) Yes, I have come to realize and now feel these Community Thanks/Sorrys very comfortable. Also, I can proudly say that Thanks, Apache. Maybe, this is one of the most important factors by which Apache attracts a lot of developers and users from all over the world. Also, as I've read the bylaws of the ASF, this bylaws seems to have affinity to these kinds of Community Thanks/Sorry/Responsibility ... really nice. ... What do you folks think? P.S. (B) brain prefers closed communication, on the other hand, (D) brain prefers open communication. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Humor] robot.txt
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:44:30 +0100 Santiago Gala wrote: http://www.superbad.com/robots.txt ... :-) Poetic! If you find this poetic, you will no doubt enjoy the Cyberiad (Stanislaw Lem). An excellent book. I remember specially the story where a psychiatric for robots is described, with a hypochondriac robot carrying a cart with spares. Great! Thank you for the info. To tell the truth, now I am thinking of our brains. (I am calling myself as brain-net explorer .. :-) Can robot (computer) have its EMOTIONs? etc... # The answer would be NO. So, I felt that description (robot.txt) very poetic and meaningful. 1. Current Computer is able to replace our left-side cerebral cortex (Brain for calculation -- 1+1 = 2 styled calc) 2. Quantum Computer will be able to relace our right-side cerebral cortex (Brain for innovation/imagination -- 2 = 1+1 styled calc) Cerebral cortex is the part of our brain, which makes us human beings. (Other animals can not count (calculate) because they do not need such abilities in order to Conserve Species. Identification/Organization and communication abilities would be enough for them to do it) On the other hand, limbic system (left-side and right-side) is animals' brain) ... I do not know / I can not imagine what will be able to replace our limbic system. So, How robot can recognize itself as robot is really interesting issue for me. -- meaningful Regards, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Humor] robot.txt
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:35:52 -0500 Ben Hyde wrote: http://www.superbad.com/robots.txt ... :-) Poetic! -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transition of the subscribers to announce MLs
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:55:31 +0100 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: BTW, the complete title is Neon Genesis Evangelion and I believe it's, by far, the best robot anime ever. If you can, watch it. Hahaha. To be precise, this is Shin-Seiki Evangelion. Shin-Seiki can be put into English as New Century. ... Oh! .. i found it that we are now in the 21st century, not in the obsolete 20th century :-) P.S. I was finally allured to buy Neon Genesis Evangelion II, Video-Game for PlayStation II. ;-) If you can, play it. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:53:33 +0100 Leo Simons wrote: nope, definately not the same. But I do suspect that within time, as the moin wiki actually sees usage (and a better pagerank), the google search will improve. TIPS: You can not expect the google engine (google-bot) to cache the pages of .CGI. Why don't you guys think of the re-config (.htaccess) of /wiki/ directory on apache-httpd? e.g. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?HomePage = http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/?HomePage Hope this helps. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:22:11 +0100 Mads Toftum wrote: This is personal opinion: posting to all the -dev lists is very hard (burden) for him (Rob?) to do. I recommend him to post a note to committers@ and write please copy this mail to -dev lists to which you are subscribing, instead. I think he can post a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED]|xml|ws], too. Do we really have to go through this again? Not have to. If the community (e.g. tomcat-dev) want it to be copied, some participants may copy the message posted to committers@ to the appropriate lists. From my experience, posting to all the -dev lists had been effective in a sense (and can distill nice communications), however, I know that some do not like this method. This depends on each communities. Again, I have to make statements of accounts for the revenue office... I am not sure I can help the editor at this time. Sorry. Hope things go well. P.S. Also, please make the comfortable atmosphere for the editor. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transition of the subscribers to announce MLs
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:40:21 -0600 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: If you want to avoid offense, a much better term for your efforts (and more recognizable in the western open-source world) is evangelism. And those evangelism efforts from you, and many folks who champion the foundation and the ApacheCon show, are always appreciated :-) Aha... Okeydokey, I've already known the term evangelize and it's common in japan, too. I did not know that this word can be used in the western open-source world. I imagined that evangelize/evangelist could be used only by me and Stefano ;-) # Evalgelion -- The title of the famous Japanimation. Thank you, Bill. Regards, - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Transition of the subscribers to announce MLs
Hi, Thanks to Ken Coar, now we can acquire nice statistics data of the transition of the number of subscribers to XX announcement lists. - (From 1st November to 1st December) announce.AT.apache.DOT.org Subscribers:8394 - 8627 (+233) announce.AT.apachecon.DOT.com Subscribers:3872 - 4164 (+292) announce.AT.httpd.DOT.apache.DOT.org Subscribers:17789 - 17653 (-136) announcements.AT.jakarta.DOT.apache.DOT.org Subscribers:5174 - 5384 (+210) announcements.AT.xml.DOT.apache.DOT.org Subscribers:2128 - 2094 (-34) - *Maybe* resulted from good marketing effort :-) # See here: http://jakarta.apache.org/ (bold lines) Just FYI (for fun). - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:53:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Joshua Slive wrote: As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list. To vote with content just use the wiki: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3 +1. Go for it. Likewise. +1 AAMOF, today(yesterday) is the settling day of my (private) company. I have to make statements of accounts for the revenue office... I am not sure I can help Rob alot this time. -- -- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/editor.html Rob, you can request site karma to infrastructure@ (and root@). Hope things go well. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I got one tenth of annual revenue in this year compared with that in last year. Volunteer activities prevented me from earning much money in the *real* life?? :-) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ HBDI Herrmann Brain Model Facilitator: http://www.terra-intl.com/brain/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteeritis
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:20:29 -0800 Roy T. Fielding wrote: So, my word of warning is simply this: if you are feeling overwhelmed by what you have volunteered to do, don't just let it grow on you. Let others know -- encourage others to volunteer -- spend your time teaching them how to do things instead of just doing them yourself. +1 -- If there're anyone who think the moderation of XX mailing lists would be burdens for them, please let me know. I think I can take over these tasks. # I am now moderating 4 mailing lists. As root@ and apmail@ # can see, these 4 lists would have less moderation pending # messages @ daedalus machine, I am sure. By the way, i know that i am not a *good developer* but want to be an excellent marketer. This is my wish and what I can do for apache.org. Knowing what ONE *can* do might be more precious and more important than defining what ONE *should* do in volunteer activities, I guess. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ HBDI Herrmann Brain Model Facilitator: http://www.terra-intl.com/brain/ FingerPrint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing from apache email address
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:52:29 -0800 (PST) Brian Behlendorf wrote: ssh username@cvs.apache.org -L 110:localhost:110 -L 25:localhost:25 Great! Works well. I do love it. Really great! Thank you, Brian. P.S. certain IP addresses that could send mail that claimed to be From: an @apache.org address, in an attempt to prevent forged spam. But I'm sure the infrastructure team would make a lot of noise before doing that. ROTFL! ;-) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Press PR (was Re: The board is not responsible!)
(BOn Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:33:45 +0200
(B(Subject: Re: Press PR (was Re: The board is not responsible!))
(BErik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(B
(B I don't want to be an "enthusiasm blocker" but I have to agree with
(B what Justin already said. Tetsuya, do you think that the suggested
(B split-ups are reducing the amount of bureaucracy we already have in
(B ASF-land? If so, can you please be so kind and elaborate further on
(B this?
(B
(BErik, I would rather like to make that proposal more meaningful.
(B
(B"the amount of bureaucracy" would *not* be related to that proposal.
(B
(BI do not think that the site maintainance would fit to infrastructure
(Bteam's task. Rather, I want that committee (infra) to keep
(Bkeen eyes to exact infrastructural issues and "not to omit important
(Bmails coming to infra@ and root@".
(B
(BAs for mailing lists maintainance, I think "Communication" Committee
(Bwould fit to that task as well as infrastructure committee.
(BAAMOF, when I subscribed to some mailing lists, I got stunned
(Bat seeing the fact that some mailing lists accepted spam mails.
(BI thought that this was tightly related to the negligence of
(Binfrastructure committees' nobless obligations. ("nobless obligations"
(Bmeans that that committee did not have such an enthusiasm to
(Bimprove the mailing lists functions. infra team did well in the past,
(Bi think ... though ...) Human beings tend not to do the tasks which
(Bwould not attract their "motivations". I assumed that infrastructure
(Bteam did not have much "motivations" to it. This is one of the reason
(Bof that proposal.
(BI think "Communication" Committee can establish a policy of the
(Bmailing lists maintainances.$B!!(BFor example,
(Bwhat I often see at the new mailing lists are the omit of
(B"Reply-To:" Header. I do not think it would be acceptable
(Bdiversity. "Communication" Committee can establish such a policy.
(B
(B I'd be fine with some sort of Publicity/PR Committee doing the
(B newsletter and some marketing stuff but right now I can't think of any
(B good reasons which would justify a major overhaul of our infrastructure
(B teams (apmail, site, etc.). Do you see something utterly broken here?
(B
(BMaintanance of "site" is not "infrastructural" one. Rather, public
(Brelations. Establishing [EMAIL PROTECTED] and FWing the mails coming
(Bto such address to PR committee would suffice. The same goes for
(B[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B
(B--
(B
(BAlso, I think that the overall watching the XX.apache.org site
(Bwould be important. PR committee should do just "suggestions",
(Bhowever, unified view would suffice the users' gratifications.
(B
(BFor example, see
(Bhttp://maven.apache.org/
(BAnyone would think that maven is now under "jakarta" (see the logo).
(BI do not think such impressions would be good for the asf as a whole.
(BWho would watch these kinds of things? infrastructure? .. NO,
(BPR committee.
(B
(BApacheCon Advert?? ... PR committee.
(B
(B--
(B
(BPlease make that proposal of the establishment of "Communication" and
(B"Public Relations" (PR) more meaningful. I've forgotten about that event,
(Bwhich would be related to newsletter on the whole. :)
(B
(BAlso, please reduce the burdens of infrastructure team.
(B
(BPR and Communication committees should keep good relations
(Bwith each committers/members/developers. The ultimate goal would be
(B"improvements of (user|member|committer|developer)-friendliness"
(B
(BCheers,
(B
(B-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(B
(B
(B
(B-
(BTo unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(BFor additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ML Config (Re: Press PR)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:11:12 -0400 Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your example of Reply-To sounds like like a mistake in implementation that of policy. Mistakes happen. If there is an error in the setup instructions or scripts, that can be fixed. Good point. People can not judge whether XX is/was derived from someone's mistakes or someone's intentions. At least, projects@incubator.apache.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] have wrong configurations. Please fix and notify it of the participants of these mailing lists after that. Again, people can not judge whether it is just mistake or intentional ( = whether by accident or by design). This is a *serious* issue, I am sure. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cleverer than yesterday (Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:25:09 +0200 Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (both in the harsh criticism trend, by one or the other, every one of us is in the role at times, and in the sense that we learn that we can survive to it and fight against it and be actually supported by other people in the community and succeed and make the world change slightly ;-) Big plus one! We are changing ourselves and we are making the world to be changed little by little! We are smarter than yesterday and Time won't fly -- Time piles up I think that one of the *BIG* motivations for the participants to OpenSource Communities is --- the feelings and the perceptions of We are changing and our actions are making the world good Folks, WE ARE GROWING UP! ... :-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Press PR (was Re: The board is not responsible!)
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (Subject: Press PR (was Re: The board is not responsible!)) Dirk-Willem van Gulik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Public Relations Committee' ... Sounds reasonable. We've long had the press@ mailing list. We could inflate this in a slightly bigger PR like institution. And also house webite content and wiki content overview there. But that seems overkill for me. ?? ... press@ can't be found at http://www.apache.org/mail/ neither eyebrowse. Where can i find the archive (log), by the way? -- I think it would be reasonable to create 'Public Relations Committee': 1. website (www.apache.org/ site module) maintainance and improvements/suggestions of userfriendliness of each $tlp sites. 2. press@ 3. apache@ (and hidden mail address :-) 4. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. Marketing 7. (Newsletter) 'Communications Committee': 1. apmail@ 2. supervise of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists 3. supervise of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists (community, committer, announce, etc.) 4. Coaching (mentoring?) of developers/committers/members 5. (Newsletter) 6. More to be come? Thoughts? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. Public_Relations/Communications are tightly related to right-limbic brain, OTOH, Infrastructure is tightly related to left-limbic brain. Just a preference of the way of thiking and behaviour. This explains why most of developers do not prefer the term marketing, as a matter of fact :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
I am not sure whether this proverb (?) can express my feelings and one of my principles, however, I am willing to put it here: Condemn the offense but not the offender. ( Tsumi wo nikun de, hito wo nikuma zu ) -- This principle might be really adaptable to Open Source Software Communities, I suspect. By the way, -- On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:58:35 +0200 Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to drag this along forever, but I feel I need to be precise because I don't want email communication to make it drier than it is. Likewise :-) I understand and respect your feelings and positions, but I also would like you to know that I was not sad, nor angry, just disappointed by what happened over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I hope such a kind of things should *never* happen in this (apatchy) community in the future. Smell of conspiracy :) I will not be able to that (newsletter editor) wonderful task to the others if there will be any opinions occured at infrastrucure@ *whenever* someone publish apache newsletter (maybe this should be renamed.. trauma) Yes, I knew that you did really take care of the mood of community and i suspect that you apologized because of it. However, it made me sad at the same time. You shouldn't be. Stefano, anyone can not stop their the emotional reactions. Remember, that there are some people who think it really guilty to make the others incriminated (without criminal charge) by their actions. As you see, there are many sides all the time and it's really hard to find a balance. Agreed. Calling the ASF beaurocratic shows only how low your ability to understand and adapt to a much more complex system is. No, I did not declare. I am now talking about the *beaurocracy* with the people in japanese government. Most of my juniors (Kouhai) / seniors (Sempai) are government officials. That's it. Oh, then if I misinterpreted your comments. Sorry for that. Okeydokey. Japanized bearocratic system is (IMO) very interesting theme for those who want to make a study of bureaucratism, organization, etc., I am sure. Each components (government officials) are very genious and elite. Really genious. However, they are inclined to be rationalism and careerism. In Economics term (or maybe the same goes for the conceptualized Supply Chain Management), it can be explained by these: Constrained Optimization/Partial Optimization -- Again, Condemn the offense but not the offender. ( Tsumi wo nikun de, hito wo nikuma zu ) Without this principle, e-mail communication might soon end up with the meaningless controversies, and full of frastrations ... We are cleverer than yesterday :-) ... Thank you, Tetsuya. P.S. Yes, I think I should take a rest for a while. I will unsubscribe all the -dev lists which I am now participating, and travel (Not for Yoga in Mt. Fuji :-) in the next month.. I want to go to Okinawa and Kyoto) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RT] Mailing Lists
Hi, Thanx to RoUS (Ken), now I can get the precise statistics of the number of the participants of each mailing lists in apache.org. Really great job, RoUS! -- Well, now: Subscribers: 8316 - announce@apache.org: (as of 21st October) IIRC, as of 17th July (3 months ago), we had Subscribers: 7400 - announce@apache.org This showed that we got extra (additional) 900 subscribers to announce@apache.org list, ASF-Wide Announcement List, in these 3 months! I assume this extra (additional) 900 subscribers has already known that they would receive over 40k mails (newsletter) monthly or bi-monthly. Furthermore, I got just ONE private mail which said please unsubscribe me from announce@ in these 2 months. -- ONLY 1 --. (NOTE: previous mail contains Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Great! Statistics proved that most of the participants to announce@apache.org list were welcoming such a newsletter! Now, I can declare PROUDLY, that To those who do not want to receive over 40k mails: please unsubscribe. Can't you see the procedure of how-to @ the bottom of each mails?. Furthermore, If you just want to get the news of httpd *ONLY*, please subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Over 17770 subscribers to announce@httpd.apache.org might be waiting your subscription! -- We, developers, tend to view the world by using only their left-side brain, with colored-eyeglass. Prejudice. announce@apache.org list subscribers are our users. Users are wise enough (if given sufficient, precise information). Also, statistics shows everything. Anyway, we got extra (additional) 900 subscribers to announce@apache.org list in these 3 months! Great! Perfect marketing effort! This is all the great contributions from many many contributors to the #1, #2 newsletter. I *DO* really thank to all the contributors (writers) to that newsletter, indeed. Thank you, Regards, -- Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] - P.S. How to get the number/moderator of XX mailinglist?! The description of this procedure is now available via cvs/committers/docs/mailinglist-tips.txt ... enjoy! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The board is not responsible!
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:31:20 - (Subject: RE: The board is not responsible!) Magnus ?or Torfason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the ASF Board ultimately responsible This is just wrong. Responsibility lies with the individual commiters, members, and their associated project PMCs. But this seems to have been exactly the problem with the recent discussions. The arguments have been over the use of the announce@apache.org mailing list, and there seems to be no PMC responsible for that list. * Fund-raising (Board Committee) * Security Team (Board Committee) * Infrastructure or Operations team (Presidents Committee) These three do not have PMC entities in the strict sense of the word. That issue was: Infrastructure Team should not legitimatize the newsletter or vice versa. Rather, I would like to see the Newsletter Team (Apache History Team?) (Board Committee) and should be found at /home/cvs/committers/board/committie-info.txt ... would be an equal footing with infrastructure team. Or, Mailing Team (Board Committee) which would be highly associated with apmail@ entity. Should there perhaps be such a PMC, or a PMC responsible for all mailing lists not managed by any other PMCs? -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:02:35 -0400 (Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@) Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tetsuya has a lot of energy, and i think we are seeing the common decay into inertia and conservatism common to groups as they grow and age. imho, we should work against this tendency, and seek to empower people (or at least help them find appropriate ways to use all that energy) rather than stifle them with policies and bureaucracy. Thank you :) The only two ways to avoid bureaucracy are : * Accept the difference, heterogeneous ways of thinking with each other (with RESPECT) * Invite Innovative-Mind guys/ladies constantly Innovative (half of the computer engineers have such a mind) way of thinking can be easily in opposition to that of Conservative. This is explained by the brain (In these cases, right-cerebral brain and left-limbic brain) mechanism. Bureaucracy is highly tied up with left-limbic brain. Also, bureaucracy is one of social-diseases, which are curable by no means. Bureaucrats tend to hide their asses, possess the instinct of self-preservation, and highly show the self-defense mechanism when attacked by innovative (non-conservative, liberal) ones. # Self-Defense Mechanism can be perceived by very funny # reactions of the bureaucrats. Very Funny, Indeed. The matter is worse, those who are genuine :) bureaucrats can not assay themselves as they are suffering from the disease of bureaucratism. This (bureaucracy) can be found here, there, everywhere in japan :) Incurable serious disease of the society... As if we are awiting the collapse to death of our social system within a few years. sad. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. There's no inferior/superior issue. Just ones' preference of the way of thinking. Conservative guys will be rather needed in well-matured societies, OTOH, Innovative guys will be rather needed in societies under development, indeed. NO inferior/superior issue. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
This is not an appropriate mail for infrastructure@, so I move this topics to [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the moderation Issue, please go on talking at infrastructure@ David, you are right. I'd been fed up and tired. I am willing to quit the job of the editor of newsletter. I won't post to announce@ any more, except the release news of XX. I hope someone will take over that fantastic task. If noone will raise the hand, the newsletter will be choked and dead. The document for handing over that task can be found at http://www.apache.org/newsletter/editor.html Thank you for reading and sorry for posting FAT mails twice to announce@, before. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:09:46 +0100 (Subject: Inappropriate use of announce@) David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the posting of the newsletter to the announce list is not appropriate. In fact after the last newsletter I thought we'd discussed it and decided that we wouldn't do that again? Maybe that was just in a dream sequence... Announce is, IMNSHO, NOT intended for large emails, but rather small pieces that announce (hence the mailing list's title) the existence of new releases, or in this context, new newsletters. A small email along such lines would be entirely appropriate and would likely lead to increased interest! I assume it's available online in some suitable format, so the post should just link to it! AFAICR, this was what we agreed should be done last time we discussed this, though at that point I think it was on [EMAIL PROTECTED] As that discussions seems to have been ignored, perhaps we should try and clarify what we intend the list to be used for? david - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture. We, Japanese, do not complain about the volume of the mails (especially when they are useful and informative) and I am accustomed to that culture. Someone like me (who have such a mind) should not have become the editor of that newsletter. There could be often friction and it will cause the balkanization of the e-mail culture. The original intention of the newsletter was Newsletter will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF umbrella, beyond the artificial boundaries of technical languages etc. Hope this can gradually lead the good course of the ASF, avoiding the balkanization of each projects and keep the hand tightly with various projects.: cooperative collaboration space for all the contributors ... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary. Very sad. I am willing to resign. Thank you for reading. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:08:19 -0400 (Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@) Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tetsuya, All that David was asking is that you post a SHORT announcement, like the sample I posted, rather than the ENTIRE newsletter. That is all. You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should continue to do so, IMO. --- Noel - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RT] About Tetsuya decision....
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:38:20 +0100 David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily. There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the newsletter (and Tetsuya's handling of it) have received praise and strong support. Exactly. Yes, I think so. Just I got felt dizzy and nauseous in this morning (GMT+0900), after reading the controversy occured at [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Still I require tranquilizer, however :-) -- Of course, I know that the FAT mails would get nerves of some people, however, I DID want to let the *precious* efforts of the contributors and developers to be known by as many readers as possible and to be widespread. I did not want to assassinate the *precious* embryos of the efforts of the developers, our amigos. It is so called -- AMBIVALENCE -- in psychology term. IIRC, I declared, I want to do experiments twice or three times. here in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because the Apache Software Foundation must be expected to be the sandbox of trial and error for the contributors. Here, as I declared the resignation of the Editor of newsletter, I put my proposals for the next newsletter. (proposal as a ***third party***) [PROPOSAL]=== 1. Creation of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is an aimed mailinglist for the readers of the apache newsletter. -- issued bi-monthly (This should depend upon the Editors' decisions, however) 2. When The Apache Newsletter Issue #X released (on the web), the Editor can post to announce@apache.org about the release of the newsletter. This would be expected to contain the brief headlines of the newsletter. (As Noel mentioned) 3. The Editor would be expected to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] a few days after the announcement at announce@apache.org 4. (OPTIONAL) There are many Java Developers who want to catch up with what is going on @ apache, so editor would be expected to post to announcements@jakarta.apache.org about the release of the newsletter as well (#2). [PROPOSAL]=== Any thoughts? all (If we can achieve the good consensus of opinion here, I think I will be wholeheartedly able to pass a baton of the task of the newsletter editor to the others.) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RT] About Tetsuya decision....
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:38:20 +0100 David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other way, I wonder how Tetsuya gives the job too easily. There was no strong criticism. Simply the request that instead of the entire newsletter, an announcement be posted. Other than that, the newsletter (and Tetsuya's handling of it) have received praise and strong support. Exactly. Yes, I think so. Just I got felt dizzy and nauseous in this morning (GMT+0900), after reading the controversy occured at [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Still I require tranquilizer, however :-) -- Of course, I know that the FAT mails would get nerves of some people, however, I DID want to let the *precious* efforts of the contributors and developers to be known by as many readers as possible and to be widespread. I did not want to assassinate the *precious* embryos of the efforts of the developers, our amigos. It is so called -- AMBIVALENCE -- in psychology term. IIRC, I declared, I want to do experiments twice or three times. here in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because the Apache Software Foundation must be expected to be the sandbox of trial and error for the contributors. Here, as I declared the resignation of the Editor of newsletter, I put my proposals for the next newsletter. (proposal as a ***third party***) [PROPOSAL]=== 1. Creation of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is an aimed mailinglist for the readers of the apache newsletter. -- issued bi-monthly (This should depend upon the Editors' decisions, however) 2. When The Apache Newsletter Issue #X released (on the web), the Editor can post to announce@apache.org about the release of the newsletter. This would be expected to contain the brief headlines of the newsletter. (As Noel mentioned) 3. The Editor would be expected to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] a few days after the announcement at announce@apache.org 4. (OPTIONAL) There are many Java Developers who want to catch up with what is going on @ apache, so editor would be expected to post to announcements@jakarta.apache.org about the release of the newsletter as well (#2). [PROPOSAL]=== Any thoughts? all (If we can achieve the good consensus of opinion here, I think I will be wholeheartedly able to pass a baton of the task of the newsletter editor to the others.) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:37:23 +0200 (Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@) Sander Striker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list, all 8304 of them. 8304 Great! I have heard from Noel that the number of subscribers to announce@ was about 7400, as of Jul 17th, 2003. We got extra 900 subscribers in these 3 months!! I am glad. My duty on the advert of the existence of announce@ list campaign has ended up already. Relieved. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. As of jul 17th, 759 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5139 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 152 community@ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:13:35 +0200 (Subject: Re: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@) Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently read that the smaller an issue is, the bigger a discussion it gets, as everyone has something to say. This issue must be pretty trivial then. In any case, who decides? What is the PMC or something overlooking these things, that can give a reasonable decision and stop all this nonsense? There have been some concerns on this, already. (When I requested a karma for site module) -- Conversation by the Board Members A Well, there is one little problem. Which PMC is going to provide A the oversight for this one? Since it is an Apache wide newsletter A it seems that the only real entity that qualifies is the board. B +1 for board scooping up these 'exceptions'. Our members 'want this'. C Theoretically we should have an Apache-wide documentation PMC C (which would include the i18n issues, BTW), but for now our stated C policy is that any committer who requests site karma is welcome to it. -- However, I found that the Apache Newsletter item at the left-side navi of www.apache.org has moved from Foundation to Get Involved (Also, renamed from Apache Newsletter to Newsletter. Anyone can find out who did this, via the logs of site-cvs@) section, very recently. Theoretically, announce@ should be used by the Apache Software Foundation (by the members of ASF). Apache Newsletter Issue #1 and #2 were the exceptions of it. So, I felt hesitation in describing Issuer: The Apache Software Foundation at that newsletter, to tell the truth. (because I am not a member, stakeholder of the ASF) ... A sort of uneasiness ... -- Anyway, I still have such an uneasiness, anxietiy. In such a situation, I thought that it was high time for me to declare the resignation and to pass a baton to someone. In our country, Resignation of one's post can be counted as a virtue of modesty (This is what the western people find it hard to understand our country, as a matter of fact) Yes, I knew that I was against the proverb of A bird does not foul the nest that it is about to leave. , though :-) Thank you, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Did you know? Interesting Stuff around ApacheCon
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:20:14 -0400 Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know that we're organizing a PGP/GPG key signing event? If you want to see how the 'web of trust' of Apache committers is built, stay tuned for the timing details, and check out the CVS module 'committers' and read the file docs/pgp-key-signing.txt Great! Nice idea. Can I deposit my pgp/gpg-key to anyone who will attend to the great event? (deputy?) I will be in Tokyo at the height of the event (ApacheCon), so that I will not be able to participate in. Also, I would be very glad if anyone give me nice Happy Birthday, Tetsuya mail, from the venue of ApacheCon. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ fingerprint: E420 3713 FAB0 C160 4A1E 6FC5 5846 23D6 80AE BDEA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP, ApacheCon 2003?
Ceki, All On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:46:03 +0200 Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings to all, Hello Most of the Apache projects have mobilized to add a visible advert for ApacheCon US 2003. This common effort is bearing fruit. Great. I noticed that http://www.php.net did not do as much. Is there a reason for this? Have you ever made contact with pmc.AT.php.DOT.apache.DOT.org? (PHP PMC List) # I think confirmation would be needed, though. Also, http://www.php.net/submit-event.php would it be a help for you? -- Is here anyone who have good connections with PHP folks? Cheers, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
announceATapacheDOTorg (again)
Hi, I noticed that http://www.opendeveloper.org/ this page collects the news from announceATapacheDOTorg. ... I am trying to modify http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ReleaseManager as well :-) -- I suspect that the mixture of http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030929.1 and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030926.1 would be the best Release Announcements... What do you think? (At least, 3-5 line blurb would be necessary) -- Anyway, **Announcements At Apache** If your project got an consensus on the release of the product, please make use of both the Apache Software Foundation Wide Announcement list and the announcement list for each top level projects. (ASF-Wide Announcement list) http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce Take care, --- Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (Subject: Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)) Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A chain of trust can have more than one link. Assuming there is someone in Japan who has once been to a country with an ASF member, geography need not be a barrier. Eh, there are many other reasonable ways to establish a chain of trust than a personal meeting. In some contexts they might even be superior. Some combination of the following would be as hard to attack as pretending to be someone else in a personal meeting: I mostly know you as the guy who sends mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] You send me your key signature from that address; I respond with a token and you send the token back. Maybe afterwards I wait a month or two and follow your use of that email address. If you keep sending useful patches to similar things as you've done in the past, that's a good indication. We have postal addresses of ASF members on file. Tokens and key signatures can be sent back and forth via postal mail. Ahh. Maybe, the best way would be the establishment of the *trust chain* between [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or equivalent one) and each committers/members ... ?! If there are volunteers (in the United States) who manage the KEYS of each committers, it would be realistic and really make sense. -- As far as postal address is concerned, the ASF already has all the *NEW* committers' real addresses , I guess (Since we had to sign the singature to CLA and write real address, as far as I could see). -- I am not a member of the ASF, so I can not handle (no privs of the determination of the *usage* of money) how to use the fund of the Foundation. However, I think I would be very glad if some of the Fund will be made full use of in the establish a trust relationship of each committers/members and developers. Thank you for reading. __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ P.S. committers module would give us the breakthrough in it!? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:05:25 -0700 Sander Temme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. However, still I can not build relationship with asf *members* ... dohhh... But you can do that via-via. That's what the 'web of trust' is all about. Oh, great! ... if this mailing list or somewhere (and ApacheCON itself) can be one of the resources of the web of trust, it would be wonderful! __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:08:55 -0700 Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. However, still I can not build relationship with asf *members* ... dohhh... I know Pier and Brian have been known to travel to Japan (for pleasure and business). I'm sure others go to Japan periodically. I've heard that Pier will come to Japan in October. (I could not catch up with him @ the last travel of his, in July, though) Please feel free to ping me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list :) all I rarely, if ever, see any ASF members any more. Only at conferences and such. We're a virtual organization. The way you build relationships in this community is through interactions on mailing lists and contributions. There isn't any other way, really. That's why ApacheCon is so crucial. Really understandable. Thank you for the detailed and comprehensible explanations. Now, I can completely understand why ApacheCon is very important for not only the members but also for the committers. Probably, this event would be more important for the current (and upcoming) committers. I am now absolutely in favour (from my sincere heart) of the success of the ApacheCON. Unfortunately, I will not be able to participate in that wonderful event, however, please let me know if there would be still rooms of the contribution to the success of that event. And, why we need to have European AC's too. -- justin Make sense. Quite make sense. One day, the Asian AC (Beijing or Seoul would be better than Tokyo) will be held , too. I do hope. -- As far as I can see from http://www.apache.org/~sgala/map.html (Apache Community Worldwide: thanx to Santiago and Dirk), there are few committers in Asia, Pacific, South America and Africa. Of course, there could be some of the ratio of the well-educated population issues, etc. I can guess, however, North America and Europe (heavily) weighed community would be not so much healthy. I am sure that establish a trust relationship would be one of the KEYS of the internationalization in the ASF community. I am awaiting any suggestions, constructive opinions for the internationalization of the ASF and about how to establish a trust relationship, from you all. Out of respect for the ASF, Regards, __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advert police strikes again
(BOn Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:19:52 +0200
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(B According to the latest report from the Apache Advert Police (AAP),
(B many of top level projects as well as subprojects have added an advert
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(BDear Police,
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(Bhttp://ws.apache.org/jaxme/
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(B... Please honor with a testimonial and
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(B"ApacheCon", "ApacheCon", everywhere "ApacheCon"... :-)
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establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
(B# CC: community@ and infra team ml (B (BOn Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:29:33 -0400 (Est (heure d'$BqUq (B) (BJoshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (B (B I personally rarely use pgp to validate downloaded files, but I (B disagree with you here. I believe it is good to provide the pgp (B signatures for downloaders. Most will choose not to use them, but for (B those who want to be really sure they are getting something produced (B by an ASF member can get a higher degree of trust. They can do this (B by: (B (B - Using the KEYS file from a previous, known good distribution. (B (B - Checking the KEYS against a key server. (B (B - Establishing a trust relationship with the signer personally, or by (B telephone. (B (BAha. This solved! ;-) (B (BAhhh. Now, there are no *ASF members* in Japan (Maybe, this goes for (Bother Asian countries), so the things can be easily inconsistent. (B# The only *Japanese-native* fellow (and ASF member) is now in the USA, (B# I've heard. (B (BIn such a situation, we can not build "establish a trust relationship" (Busing telephone or meeting in private (in japan) with ASF members. (BAs a result, the "chain of trust" can not be established and as a (Bmatter of course, people in apache.org would never know "who is tetsuya" (Bforever. :-) Also, as a matter of course, high-leveled trust with (Bcommitters and members would not be able to be established forever. (B (B-- (B (BOffTopic (BIt would be important for us to establish not only (B"build website"/"build jar files" by using Ant but also (B"build relationship with each committers/members" (Bby using more *humane* method. WoW. (B/OffTopic (B (B-- (B (BAnyway, Jakarta/XML/WS and related projects have a lot of "Release"s, (Bhowever, there could be said .. the lack of the chain of trust and (Black of membership. Inconsistency and self-contradiction. (B (B-- (B (BWoW. It's really nice to know the fact that the ASF have had (Bsince the 20th century (1999) good old days. (BBefore thinking of the "ApacheCON" LOGO campaign, we/you could think (Bof the "CHAIN OF TRUST" campaign within the apache.org as a whole!! (B (B"CHAIN OF TRUST" campaign would bring more prosperity and chain of (Bhappiness to the ASF and individuals of whom this community is composed. (B (BAny ideas? (B (BSincerely, (B (B__ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ (B (BP.S. Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (B Has anyone discussed the establishment of an Apache PKI Authority? (BCan it be explained more? interesting. (B (B (B- (BTo unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BFor additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:35 -0700 (Subject: Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)) Sander Temme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, How are we supposed to read this? Sander 'a bit behind on his japanese' Testuya's original message is plain enough: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it's just that my Mailer, and apparently yours, choose not to deal with this charset. The text is readable enough if I 'view source'. Maybe Tetsuya should tweak the charset of his English-language mails. (: No. The root of the evil was the original mail (From Joshua), to tell the truth. I am using US-ASCII by default settings and most of my mails are encoded by US-ASCII. (You can check by grepping the mail archives) Joshua's original mail: (Est (heure d'.. part (Date: HeaderLine) trapped and transformed into japanese. (and garbled) So, my mail client recognized that my mail was written in japanese and had put 'charset=ISO-2022-JP' headerline. Mails from those who always use special characters (umlaut etc.) would cause errors and troubles. However, I do not blame them as a matter of course. __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:45:41 -0400 (Subject: RE: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)) Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. Now, there are no *ASF members* in Japan (Maybe, this goes for other Asian countries), so the things can be easily inconsistent. There are other ASF Committers in Japan. Lief Mortenson, for example, the author of the Java Wrapper and frequent Avalon contributor. Aha. I've forgot that! Great! My friend is now in Tokyo (and english-native), so they (JaVa-nese) can talk with each other! Banzai! Tanuki-Software! :) __ Tetsuya [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ P.S. However, still I can not build relationship with asf *members* ... dohhh... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
